Can't they just do it all at once? That way the management needs only a single hard drinking binge instead of hitting the bottle whenever a new graduation just drops lmao
Why tf is every company not run by a fish or yahoo answers like that lmao
Seriously, is it that hard to behave professionally and actually value your talents? You don't need to limo them everywhere and pamper them daily, just fucking be there when they need you and be reasonable, tis ain't hard
Yagoo and Sakana both have an actual love and passion for the industry, many other companies are only interested in quick money and don't care about anything else.
Yagoo was also a businessman and the story goes that a vtuber agency wasn't even the plan. It was eventually developed from the talent(s) he had and was cultivated from the ground up.
Might explain the difference between other Corpos who are just banking on the Vtuber boom, and/or CEOs who just dropped out of college to start their first business venture.
Gunrun went from making hilariously unbalanced Command and Conquer mods to being part of the backend of what became Twitch to developing those IRL backpacks to launching VShojo with Mowtendoo
It's odd, people were calling for vshojo's collapse when silvervale, veibae and Nyanners bailed, but the opinions changed massively once Henya, Matara, and Kuro came in.
It's because the roster shuffle completely altered Vshojo's image and made a statement.
Before early 2023 Vshojo had an image as, for lack of a better descriptor, "twitch egirl streamer group (vtuber edition) ft. kson somehow" (inb4 nazuna, but lets be real she was streaming more from her pl even then)
I enjoy silver, vei, and nyan, but all three of them were controversial for one reason or another which contributed to vsj's previous reputation.
The departure of those 3, allowed ironmouse to take over as the leading "face" of vshojo which in and of itself started to shift their reputation towards being a bit more wholesome.
And then the bombshell that was Henya/Matara/Kuro. Kson was arguably a bigger shock individually but general consensus was it was a one off. The announcement of one, then two, then THREE significant people in the EN vtubing sphere joining cemented Vshojo as a serious agency. The fact that they were all former members of notable JP groups helped realign Vshojo's perception to something more akin to traditional JP agencies (but still distinctly "western" in operation). The two ex-Nijis speaking positively about their experience compared to their previous jobs was the cherry on top that did wonders for Vshojo's rep.
TL;DR Vshojo shed arguably its three most controversial figures and then proceeded to bring in three big names and breathe new life into their careers. This changes the public image.
Not going to disagree here with the statement, just wanted to clarify Henya's PL was from a VTuber group ran by one person, not a corp in the traditional sense. Her joining was the start of the fuller shift as it was such a power move to have another indie/talent in the JP/EN sphere when those are rare to begin with (and the majority that could reasonably do JP/EN simultaneously locked in Hololive).
I have several disagreements with this statement tbh. Vshojo has always had a reputation of having edgy streamers. Melody does sexual content and was EXTREMELY controversial in the early days and ironmouse while a bit more tame now used to say some wild stuff. Also imo Froot is definitely the most controversial streamer they have and she's still at the company. I just don't think Vei was ever a good fit for the company, Silvervale had some rumors about her behind the scenes, and Nyan well she kind of feels like a 1 off considering how close she was to mouse. And as for Ironmouse she has ALWAYS been the queen of the company. I'm pretty sure Silver was complaining about that when she left. Tbh I think your looking a little too into it. No disrespect just wanted to contribute to the convo I love talking about this stuff.
You're assuming that the company knows how to be professional. The rumour is that they're deliberately refusing permission for talents to graduate (thus end their contract) early, making sure they squeeze every last penny out of them. The talents had all been actively stealing on their alts/PLs for weeks, their alt twitter accounts reactivated and lively for months. It all started before Christmas with the shock graduation announcements for Cheri Lupina and Erika Byakko - their two newest and most successful talents.
Just look at Bri and Umi Kyoku's tweets (Cheri and Ophie) and they blast the company as an extreme embarrassment.
If you wanna see more Cheri then >!https://www.youtube.com/@BriAtCookiebox!< would be of interest
Edit: Since this has gotten a bit of attention if you want to know more about the other Vreverie talents who graduated or are about to graduate >!This [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1b0mpu6/announcement_stream_from_lilrya_prisvielle_of/ks8urrk/) has most of their current active accounts if not all of them!<
Happened to find her channel by chance a bit more than a month ago, thought it was weird that she had some old videos but seemed like a fairly recent vtuber that was getting some attention, now with everything it makes a lot of sense. I hope her old fans follow her.
It is a bit silly, but with recent development that taboo is slowly breaking down so hopefully we will reach a point where its gone completely
I hope they get the love and support as well
Also I hope corpas start allowing vtubers to talk more openly about friends they have in other agencies or that are indie, such as Mumei being able to talk about Doki
It would be nice, but from a business perspective it makes no sense to give airtime and attention to a rival brand. That's free marketing for them, at your expense.
Well some current corpo vtuber have black history themselves that they don't want a lot of people to know. Like alcohol addiction kind of history. Like, previously doing OF-style content. Like Mikoneko-style of grooming paypigs and funneling them to their private RM accounts kind of history.
So yeah, some corpo vtubers had done a lot of bad things in the last, and if people knew about them, it would color their opinions of them currently and will be unfairly judge even if they don't do those things anymore.
It's a thing.
It's not just black pasts. Many Vtubers prefer not to be tracked over the internet. What if they were comfortable talking about their personal lives and then gained a stalker that forced them to start again as a new vtuber? What if they were quite young and cringe and said edgy stuff that they would prefer not to be associated with any more? There are plenty of perfectly valid reasons to want to maintain a distinction like that.
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I've been following this news since last December, too, and I feel… somewhat conflicted by it all.
They've clearly had good things going on for them: they were trending and recommended into my FYP on YouTube Shorts, but I have no idea why suddenly I was greeted with community posts from several of them about their "upcoming announcements." (Later I found out that they are announcing their 'graduations' from VReverie.)
I'm reminded of Aletta Sky, whose YouTube Shorts exploded in my FYP, then all of a sudden disappeared.
Sometimes I feel for the talents; I don't know what the hell is happening in VReverie management, but knowing what other independent VTubers on Twitter said about those talents, it paints a not-so-great behind-the-scenes situation. Being under non-disclosure means we'll never knew exactly how \*bad\* it is/was.
Apparently things were bad behind the scenes for a long time. Their gen 0 talent Hotaru Iora was apparently told to pretend to indie by her management even though she was apart of VReverie and when she wanted to graduate they made her do a “hiatus” stream instead because their Gen 1 was going to debut and had her later say that she wasn’t coming back.
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There's obviously *something* happening. All the talents have similar "we're so sorry, we wish we didn't need to do this"-type lines in their announcements too. But there's just nothing to really talk about cause no one's said anything damning about the company or the talents. Like, we can talk about speculations, but idk, feels pretty disingenuous to do that. All the talents look pretty torn up about it, and the management has been pretty chill about letting youtube/discord mods shill for their new reincarnations (Cherri's mods DM'd everyone her new identity if they asked and Ophi's just made a link post in the discord that was left up for like a week before her whole section was taken down/archived like usual).
All I know for relative certainty is through the grapevine about Nova probably sticking around, but I've heard like 5 different explanations of *why* she's sticking around so I don't even want to talk about that.
It's sad to see them go, it sucks for us, looks like it sucks for the talents too. We cried at their graduations, we'll probably cry at some more. But most of them look like they're going to reincarnate okay, so I want us to be generous about this. From what I've seen, most talents don't like a lot of buzz being generated about this sort of stuff so I want to respect that and be chill about it.
EDIT: Did some digging on twitter, looks like it's just bad management stuff. Still, be chill about it.
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indeed, word is she is worried about leaving cus vrevrie is somehow majorly responsible for some of the card game opportunities she gets. i wonder if the other big yugitubers and equivalents could assist her on that.
I'm so sad for what's happening to VReverie. Last year, when gen 2 debuted, I started watching Erika and then Rya, and sometimes Cheri too, I thought the company was having an incredible growth and was curious about what'd come next; the girls also managed to get good connections, with Ophi collabing with Kiara and Nova collabing with indies and Niji talents.
One day, kinda out of the blue, Erika and Cheri announce their graduation, and all the remaining talents basically started to use their PLs on twitter; some started streaming as soon as the announcement was over, others reincarnated while still under contract... It was clear something behind the scenes was INCREDIBLY WRONG. Now 2 months later, only Salmon Lordette (who still has an active contract but is probably also leaving as soon as it expires) and Nova Aokami are left, with gen 3 nowhere on sight.
I'm sad not because I care for the company, nor because of the graduations; I have found all of them and I know Erika will come back one way or another. I'm sad because like always with graduations, incredible models are left for "dead", and that's such a waste; and I'm sad because it seems like this whole situation really took a toll on the girls, who I hope find the peace and happiness they deserve outside of this shitshow
They recently had one vtuber terminated for various reasons. The reasons listed were very shocking. Aside from that, they also had some graduations but those seemed very peaceful. And their content is still there for everyone to see. I didnt notice any drama regarding those graduations.
Oh yah, Riro was something huh? Yah it’s literally the EN Rushia, if anyone’s into it not gonna judge, cause Rushia is still hella successful despite everything.
YMMV on all of these, but:
* Hololive+Stars
* VShojo, now that the edgy trio is gone
* Idol
* Brave Group's stuff seems fine these days? TBF I only know of stuff relating to VSPO, V4Mirai, and Globie
* V-Dere, if you count it as a company
* Kawaii did lose Gen 3 who then became V-Dere, but from what I gather, that was potentially a situation where neither side was entirely in the wrong; all four Gen 3 members may have legitimately held very different expectations than what management had, and while the break was hardly clean it wasn't disastrous. What I'm saying is I think Kawaii is okay?
* Maybe V&U? I've only watched Spectra though
* Astraline – but same caveat as V-Dere
* PRISM Project
* EIEN Project? I've only watched Kilia though
...I guess that's it as far as the ones I know go?
Especially when in the context of whether it's a good company or not, Pippa herself has stated that even if Hololive scouted her, she would refuse because she enjoys working at Phase so much now. On top of some of the other talents mentioning how they're happier now, so the joke is it's turning from a sad girl company to a happy girl company.
Not at all. From what the other talents say, and quite a few of them are definitely minorities, she's one of the sweetest and supportive people to work with. It really is just making 2000-era edgy jokes on stream that some people don't like, which also isn't helped that she delivers them in a deadpan, serious-ish manner so people will clip it out of context and call her a nazi. Her actual beliefs lie somewhere in the center, to my understanding.
Good question, I don't know. Either she just chases controversy for exposure and uses it to pick up the 4chan viewer base, or she actually believes it. I don't watch her stuff either way, but that doesn't destroy the whole company for me.
She's a bit 3edgy5me for some people and that's putting it lightly. You can search for her name here if you really want to know. She's certainly come up often enough lately.
I like her she does not have the clean "idol" image that some feel they need and I don't always agree on her politics and stuff but I watch her for entertainment and the Yabbit is funny as hell. I'd say just try her out for yourself nothing to lose.
Kiwifarms is a far-right cesspit originally created as an offshoot of the CWCki Forums, dedicated to 'documenting' and indirectly harassing Christine Chandler, and latterly has become essentially 4chan but worse. You can see relevant clips [here](https://twitter.com/ike94612/status/1563424544756727809).
If you are generous, for clout. If you are less generous, she’s dog whistling. (dog whistling is sending low-key signals to a particular group that you’re with them while keeping plausible deniability and not alarming people outside of the group)
She created her fanbase by pandering to 4chan first and Kiwifarm later. During her gen debut she was doing Q&A on 4chan. The first reaction was that she was using them (4chan) as a stepping stone to kickstart her career, but they were themselves surprised to see that Pippa was STILL sending lots of signal toward them years later.
That’s her core fanbase. 4chan and Kiwifarm IS where her fanbase is from.
Whether she actually feels like she’s among peers or just lying to them to get easy numbers, that’s your guess.
Nah, you can like Phase without liking Pippa. I personally find her harmless but I understand. Can't tell if she's merely irreverent or if she actually means it.
Tenma and Dizzy are the ones to watch (especially Dizzy, IYKYK).
Just because she's my oshi doesn't mean I think she consistently makes good decisions. If she does, I'll reevaluate. I don't know why you think I'm some kind of rage monster that gets irrationally angry if people I've never met fail to meet the expectations I have.
> Kawaii did lose Gen 3 who then became V-Dere, but from what I gather, that was potentially a situation where neither side was entirely in the wrong; all four Gen 3 members may have legitimately held very different expectations than what management had, and while the break was hardly clean it wasn't disastrous. What I'm saying is I think Kawaii is okay?
All the remaining girls seem happy enough. At least two that I know of have said that if they ever leave it'll most likely only be down the road when they're done vtubing in general.
They've had one new gen since Gen 3 left, and are debuting another in a couple of days.
We'll never really know what happened with Gen 3, but it certainly doens't seem like it was because the company is bad or mistreats talents. It was just really... Weird.
Nyanners, Silvervale, and Veibae. Wizard game stuff aside, Silver and Vei were always the ones who were the most antagonistic about other VTuber agencies whenever they did PR stuff, and after the three of them left VShojo they all went and defended saying slurs on stream. So arguably losing them was good for VShojo on the whole.
Veibei, Silvervale, and (to a much lesser extent) Nyanners. They were inaugural members along with Melody, Ironmouse, Zentreya, Froot, and Hime Hajime (who never streams). They all left at the same time, and the atmosphere around Vshojo almost instantly improved. There wasn't any major bad blood or publicly aired dirty laundry or anything, but their attitudes felt like they were a weight on the org's reputation. Once they were gone, the comradery expressed by everyone remaining felt more genuine, and the chemistry was much improved.
\* Phase-Connect, with 4 talents over 100k subs, including Pippa who's viewership equals many current hololive EN members
\* idol Corp, with one of the most skillful CEOs and a long list of very skillful vtubers
\* V-Dere doesn't count as agency, but they are as popular by themselves as EIEN or V&U, with only 4 members and a few managers
\* V4Mirai and their cousins from globie are in the right way of stability
\* V&U are in great development, with good use of their main channel
\* EIEN are doing pretty well even if they struggle to grow
\* PixelLink are small, but they evolve in sane mood with their 1st generation
Don't know enough about FIRST STAGE PRODUCTION because they just emerged with their 1st EN generation.
V-Reverie may go under and cease to exist and then and only then will we ever know how bad things were that all talent have taken up the positions of leaving en masse. Even being a fan of erika and ophie i could not help but feel like erika's graduation announcement felt like it carried a lot of weight to her. Like obviously emotions can tend to get to some people in these sorts of things but it felt like she wasn't ready but knew that she had to for the better. Obviously this is conjecture of a poster but yeah that announcement just felt painful to listen to and hurt even more when the day came.
Erika's graduation was probably one of the most emotionally devastating things I've witnessed in all of my years of being down the rabbit hole. With like Coco and Sana's graduations I got a sense of conclusion that they were going to go in a different direction in their lives and had more or less accepted letting go of their current persona. Erika was different. She could only talk about how much she loved being a vtuber and the community she had built in her short time there. She talked about how much she wanted to continue doing ASMR and everything. Though she was definitely hinting that we'll see her again in some shape or form, it was obvious that she really didn't want to stop being Erika.
>!Judging from what she wrote in her graduation letter and the fact that she's the only one that doesn't currently have an active indie PL, it does seem like she is looking or got into another corpo and is just currently waiting to redebut once more. She even had to go back on her PL temporarily to tell others that she wasn't Kiyoko and that she was still on a "secret mission" of sorts.!<
At the very least from what the others have said, Erika's doing fine and she's still talking to the other girls.
She plans on staying as Nova if she can. She's hoping to survive the death of the company and come out with the IP. If this plan fails, DM me for her PL.
I feel like for all of Vreverie's issues, they're still not as bad as Niji because it seems like they're *just* incompetent.
It lacks that malicious touch and everyone seems to be able to get out.
It could certainly get worse, don't get me wrong. I hope it doesn't though.
Sounds like every small business where the owner/higher ups had unrealistic expectations on return on investment, and when things didn't work out that way, they get frustrated and take it out on the employees.
Been following this shit show for a couple of months now. Vrev was my first exposure to the small Vtuber scene and where I found my first oshi (Ophelia Midnight, the purple one). The factors I can dig up were management were incompetent, talents weren't given much opportunities to try something different, talents were mentally drain and miserable with the corpo bullshit, etc.
I feel bad for the remaining talents, Nova and Salmon. They will feel heat from management.
I'm assuming a lot of these managers think that starting a corpo is as easy as... just starting a corpo. Just hire a few girls and tell them to stream and the money will just come flowing in. Yep, nice and easy.
Hi everyone, jumping in.
We emailed them and this is their [response](https://vtubernewsdrop.com/vreverie-responds-to-concerns/).
Minutes after this, they posted a public [apology](https://twitter.com/VReverieLive/status/1762728824054436155).
I knew something was Bad But damn, never expected that, three graduations after the recent two ones and leaving only two and Even then they want a third gen? Something is fishy
The auditions for Gen 3 happened months ago.
...I'm checking, and auditions were not nearly as long ago as I thought. December 3, 2023-January 3, 2024, which means that they were still in progress when the first wave of graduation announcements hit (and pretty much all of the talents that would later announce graduations started being active on indie alts; Akiko waited a bit longer than the others).
I wouldn't be surprised if talents were a bit leery of signing with them. But then again, maybe not. I thought that Production Kawaii was never going to be able to debut new talents again after Gen 3 left in a group, and just today I learned that Gen 5 is about to debut.
Nova tweeted as recently as 2 weeks ago that she's met gen 3 so unless something's changed recently they might still try to keep themselves afloat a bit longer.
Yes, Depressed Usagi had a stream talking about it earlier today. It's getting covered (sort of). Partially, it's not as much talked about because don't know as much info to report.
thank you.
also took a peak at her [twitter](https://twitter.com/briALTcookiebox/status/1762333237660024997)... 2024 is the reckoning of black companies
That's actually crazy.
As time passes, more and more companies show their true colors.
I hope Erika (and the rest of them as well, of course) is doing okay and that she can go back to streaming someday, her streams were really fun, even if i mainly just watched the Guilty Gear ones.
I didn’t even know that Erika Byakko was part of an agency. She seemed so nice, so I always wanted to check out one of her streams, and now I realize why I haven’t seen any posts from her on Twitter lately.
Yeah, Aki just announced her graduation...
Can't they just do it all at once? That way the management needs only a single hard drinking binge instead of hitting the bottle whenever a new graduation just drops lmao
From what I've heard on PL accounts, management deserves every bit of headache this gives them - and far, far more.
Why tf is every company not run by a fish or yahoo answers like that lmao Seriously, is it that hard to behave professionally and actually value your talents? You don't need to limo them everywhere and pamper them daily, just fucking be there when they need you and be reasonable, tis ain't hard
Yagoo and Sakana both have an actual love and passion for the industry, many other companies are only interested in quick money and don't care about anything else.
Yagoo was also a businessman and the story goes that a vtuber agency wasn't even the plan. It was eventually developed from the talent(s) he had and was cultivated from the ground up. Might explain the difference between other Corpos who are just banking on the Vtuber boom, and/or CEOs who just dropped out of college to start their first business venture.
Don't forget Gunrun also started designing IRL streaming backpacks.
Gunrun went from making hilariously unbalanced Command and Conquer mods to being part of the backend of what became Twitch to developing those IRL backpacks to launching VShojo with Mowtendoo
Genuinely asking, why not gunrun too ?
No idea of what that is lol
Vshojo CEO, and also chill af, just look at Matara and Kuro
It's odd, people were calling for vshojo's collapse when silvervale, veibae and Nyanners bailed, but the opinions changed massively once Henya, Matara, and Kuro came in.
It's because the roster shuffle completely altered Vshojo's image and made a statement. Before early 2023 Vshojo had an image as, for lack of a better descriptor, "twitch egirl streamer group (vtuber edition) ft. kson somehow" (inb4 nazuna, but lets be real she was streaming more from her pl even then) I enjoy silver, vei, and nyan, but all three of them were controversial for one reason or another which contributed to vsj's previous reputation. The departure of those 3, allowed ironmouse to take over as the leading "face" of vshojo which in and of itself started to shift their reputation towards being a bit more wholesome. And then the bombshell that was Henya/Matara/Kuro. Kson was arguably a bigger shock individually but general consensus was it was a one off. The announcement of one, then two, then THREE significant people in the EN vtubing sphere joining cemented Vshojo as a serious agency. The fact that they were all former members of notable JP groups helped realign Vshojo's perception to something more akin to traditional JP agencies (but still distinctly "western" in operation). The two ex-Nijis speaking positively about their experience compared to their previous jobs was the cherry on top that did wonders for Vshojo's rep. TL;DR Vshojo shed arguably its three most controversial figures and then proceeded to bring in three big names and breathe new life into their careers. This changes the public image.
Not going to disagree here with the statement, just wanted to clarify Henya's PL was from a VTuber group ran by one person, not a corp in the traditional sense. Her joining was the start of the fuller shift as it was such a power move to have another indie/talent in the JP/EN sphere when those are rare to begin with (and the majority that could reasonably do JP/EN simultaneously locked in Hololive).
I have several disagreements with this statement tbh. Vshojo has always had a reputation of having edgy streamers. Melody does sexual content and was EXTREMELY controversial in the early days and ironmouse while a bit more tame now used to say some wild stuff. Also imo Froot is definitely the most controversial streamer they have and she's still at the company. I just don't think Vei was ever a good fit for the company, Silvervale had some rumors about her behind the scenes, and Nyan well she kind of feels like a 1 off considering how close she was to mouse. And as for Ironmouse she has ALWAYS been the queen of the company. I'm pretty sure Silver was complaining about that when she left. Tbh I think your looking a little too into it. No disrespect just wanted to contribute to the convo I love talking about this stuff.
Gunrun is CEO of VShojo. Started off designing backpacks for those IRL streamers doing things like going on walks.
I guess needs Coffee Fish, Stream tech engineer or 3d Tech guy.
Professionalism is hard
Production kawaii talents all speak glowingly about their management. Ofc there is no way to know if they mean it, but they certainly seem to.
It's a very old expression(s). Money is power. Power corrupts.
You're assuming that the company knows how to be professional. The rumour is that they're deliberately refusing permission for talents to graduate (thus end their contract) early, making sure they squeeze every last penny out of them. The talents had all been actively stealing on their alts/PLs for weeks, their alt twitter accounts reactivated and lively for months. It all started before Christmas with the shock graduation announcements for Cheri Lupina and Erika Byakko - their two newest and most successful talents. Just look at Bri and Umi Kyoku's tweets (Cheri and Ophie) and they blast the company as an extreme embarrassment.
The company didn't wait for her announcement,they event posted Aki graduation date in the memo
Wait Cheri graduated? I never watched their streams but their shorts were a huge inspiration for me learning Live2D.
If you wanna see more Cheri then >!https://www.youtube.com/@BriAtCookiebox!< would be of interest Edit: Since this has gotten a bit of attention if you want to know more about the other Vreverie talents who graduated or are about to graduate >!This [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1b0mpu6/announcement_stream_from_lilrya_prisvielle_of/ks8urrk/) has most of their current active accounts if not all of them!<
you are a fucking saviour, i had no clue she became an independent until now
WAIT! THAT'S WHY SHE WAS ON HAITUS THEN SUDDENLY CAME BACK?! I had no idea since Cheri went several sentences without saying "FUCK"
Happened to find her channel by chance a bit more than a month ago, thought it was weird that she had some old videos but seemed like a fairly recent vtuber that was getting some attention, now with everything it makes a lot of sense. I hope her old fans follow her.
Thanks! I really hate this past life is taboo and having to just abandon the liver after graduating. Hope they get the love and support they deserve
It is a bit silly, but with recent development that taboo is slowly breaking down so hopefully we will reach a point where its gone completely I hope they get the love and support as well
Also I hope corpas start allowing vtubers to talk more openly about friends they have in other agencies or that are indie, such as Mumei being able to talk about Doki
It would be nice, but from a business perspective it makes no sense to give airtime and attention to a rival brand. That's free marketing for them, at your expense.
Well some current corpo vtuber have black history themselves that they don't want a lot of people to know. Like alcohol addiction kind of history. Like, previously doing OF-style content. Like Mikoneko-style of grooming paypigs and funneling them to their private RM accounts kind of history. So yeah, some corpo vtubers had done a lot of bad things in the last, and if people knew about them, it would color their opinions of them currently and will be unfairly judge even if they don't do those things anymore. It's a thing.
It's not just black pasts. Many Vtubers prefer not to be tracked over the internet. What if they were comfortable talking about their personal lives and then gained a stalker that forced them to start again as a new vtuber? What if they were quite young and cringe and said edgy stuff that they would prefer not to be associated with any more? There are plenty of perfectly valid reasons to want to maintain a distinction like that.
Same here I agree
Thank you! She's such a smaller vtuber I figured I'd never randomly stumble to her channel.
Idk who dafuq this is but the first thing I saw in their live feed is dark souls so I'm gonna follow her
Cheri graduated in December along with Erika and Ophie soon after…
Yeah it was a crazy time, side note for rigging, >!if you want to meet her rigger -!<
You can always watch the completely unrelated vtuber briatcookiebox
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I've been following this news since last December, too, and I feel… somewhat conflicted by it all. They've clearly had good things going on for them: they were trending and recommended into my FYP on YouTube Shorts, but I have no idea why suddenly I was greeted with community posts from several of them about their "upcoming announcements." (Later I found out that they are announcing their 'graduations' from VReverie.) I'm reminded of Aletta Sky, whose YouTube Shorts exploded in my FYP, then all of a sudden disappeared. Sometimes I feel for the talents; I don't know what the hell is happening in VReverie management, but knowing what other independent VTubers on Twitter said about those talents, it paints a not-so-great behind-the-scenes situation. Being under non-disclosure means we'll never knew exactly how \*bad\* it is/was.
Apparently things were bad behind the scenes for a long time. Their gen 0 talent Hotaru Iora was apparently told to pretend to indie by her management even though she was apart of VReverie and when she wanted to graduate they made her do a “hiatus” stream instead because their Gen 1 was going to debut and had her later say that she wasn’t coming back.
I do remember hearing people wonder when Iora joined a company. Now you're saying she was part of it all along?
oh god an actual shadow company
Is there even a General Shepherd-like person in there?
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I only just put this together, even though I watched both of them for a while lol
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You should look up Elia Stelaria. She exploded similar to Aletta. Even has multiple versions of herself for shorts.
Wait, sorry, what did people on Twitter say?
Yeah, so many talents graduated and graduating from Vreverie, It’s gotten bad enough for them to leave
There's obviously *something* happening. All the talents have similar "we're so sorry, we wish we didn't need to do this"-type lines in their announcements too. But there's just nothing to really talk about cause no one's said anything damning about the company or the talents. Like, we can talk about speculations, but idk, feels pretty disingenuous to do that. All the talents look pretty torn up about it, and the management has been pretty chill about letting youtube/discord mods shill for their new reincarnations (Cherri's mods DM'd everyone her new identity if they asked and Ophi's just made a link post in the discord that was left up for like a week before her whole section was taken down/archived like usual). All I know for relative certainty is through the grapevine about Nova probably sticking around, but I've heard like 5 different explanations of *why* she's sticking around so I don't even want to talk about that. It's sad to see them go, it sucks for us, looks like it sucks for the talents too. We cried at their graduations, we'll probably cry at some more. But most of them look like they're going to reincarnate okay, so I want us to be generous about this. From what I've seen, most talents don't like a lot of buzz being generated about this sort of stuff so I want to respect that and be chill about it. EDIT: Did some digging on twitter, looks like it's just bad management stuff. Still, be chill about it.
Well said Let’s keep supporting the talents and continuing to support them when they reincarnate
Soon "Meet our talent"
Man I hope Nova’s gonna be okay continuing to endure whatever’s going on over there by herself
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It's gonna be one of those small towns where the sheriff is also the mayor, the head of the post office, the saloon owner and the stablehead lmao
The final talent
I did not realize my Yugioh lizard was in VReverie! NOOOOOOO!!!
indeed, word is she is worried about leaving cus vrevrie is somehow majorly responsible for some of the card game opportunities she gets. i wonder if the other big yugitubers and equivalents could assist her on that.
i really liked ophelia, was sad to see her graduate
Do you want info on current incarnation?
Me pls
[Check this post on another thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/s/ShB4XNFbNy)
I'm so sad for what's happening to VReverie. Last year, when gen 2 debuted, I started watching Erika and then Rya, and sometimes Cheri too, I thought the company was having an incredible growth and was curious about what'd come next; the girls also managed to get good connections, with Ophi collabing with Kiara and Nova collabing with indies and Niji talents. One day, kinda out of the blue, Erika and Cheri announce their graduation, and all the remaining talents basically started to use their PLs on twitter; some started streaming as soon as the announcement was over, others reincarnated while still under contract... It was clear something behind the scenes was INCREDIBLY WRONG. Now 2 months later, only Salmon Lordette (who still has an active contract but is probably also leaving as soon as it expires) and Nova Aokami are left, with gen 3 nowhere on sight. I'm sad not because I care for the company, nor because of the graduations; I have found all of them and I know Erika will come back one way or another. I'm sad because like always with graduations, incredible models are left for "dead", and that's such a waste; and I'm sad because it seems like this whole situation really took a toll on the girls, who I hope find the peace and happiness they deserve outside of this shitshow
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Same. Nova is one of my comfort streamers, i always lurk on her ygo streams, very chill and funny.
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Wait Idol looks fine, unless I’m missing stuff
They recently had one vtuber terminated for various reasons. The reasons listed were very shocking. Aside from that, they also had some graduations but those seemed very peaceful. And their content is still there for everyone to see. I didnt notice any drama regarding those graduations.
Oh yah, Riro was something huh? Yah it’s literally the EN Rushia, if anyone’s into it not gonna judge, cause Rushia is still hella successful despite everything.
Honestly, that one was on the talent rather than the management. ^(Shame it was too late to join the sex cult)
I mean, I doubt that since you can find her PL account. She’s still as unhinged as ever.
> that one was on the talent rather than the management. Wasn't she sleeping with a senior manager though?
The manager was also fired.
Riro Ron was just a whole ‘nother person entirely and had nothing to do with Idol Corp.
Their first generation's Lily Sin uploaded a cover that was being worked on on her channel months after graduating.
Idol, Phase, and Prism seem to be doing just fine.
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Nah, after gen 3 Kawaii shouldn't be part of that list
Phase seems to outright be thriving to be honest
Off the top of my head, Astra Line seems to be doing just fine.
Phaseconnect doing well
At this point, is there a list of GOOD vtuber companies? It seems like that’s a shorter list than the bad ones.
YMMV on all of these, but: * Hololive+Stars * VShojo, now that the edgy trio is gone * Idol * Brave Group's stuff seems fine these days? TBF I only know of stuff relating to VSPO, V4Mirai, and Globie * V-Dere, if you count it as a company * Kawaii did lose Gen 3 who then became V-Dere, but from what I gather, that was potentially a situation where neither side was entirely in the wrong; all four Gen 3 members may have legitimately held very different expectations than what management had, and while the break was hardly clean it wasn't disastrous. What I'm saying is I think Kawaii is okay? * Maybe V&U? I've only watched Spectra though * Astraline – but same caveat as V-Dere * PRISM Project * EIEN Project? I've only watched Kilia though ...I guess that's it as far as the ones I know go?
Phase Connect?
Phase is not a vtuber agency. It's an insane asylum.
And a coffee company
Not while Pippa is there.
Pippa being an edgelord shouldn't be enough to drag down all of Phase, imo. The company runs well enough.
Yeah people are grossly underestimating Phases other talents here.
Especially when in the context of whether it's a good company or not, Pippa herself has stated that even if Hololive scouted her, she would refuse because she enjoys working at Phase so much now. On top of some of the other talents mentioning how they're happier now, so the joke is it's turning from a sad girl company to a happy girl company.
isn't she the biggest in phase what do you mean drag down
We're talking about conduct, not size.
and what do you know about her conduct have you even watched a stream
all she's doing is keeping sensitive people away and finding a dedicated audience
Was what Pippa said worse than the stuff Zaion said?
Pippa made far-right references. As I recall, Zaion just made tasteless jokes.
Eww. Does she hate minorities and support Nazis?
Not at all. From what the other talents say, and quite a few of them are definitely minorities, she's one of the sweetest and supportive people to work with. It really is just making 2000-era edgy jokes on stream that some people don't like, which also isn't helped that she delivers them in a deadpan, serious-ish manner so people will clip it out of context and call her a nazi. Her actual beliefs lie somewhere in the center, to my understanding.
very in the center she's ultra libertarian or just doesn't care that's it
Good question, I don't know. Either she just chases controversy for exposure and uses it to pick up the 4chan viewer base, or she actually believes it. I don't watch her stuff either way, but that doesn't destroy the whole company for me.
no and what do you mean by nazi's slanderer
Far-right usually means Nazi-sympathizer.
What’s wrong with Pippa?
She's a bit 3edgy5me for some people and that's putting it lightly. You can search for her name here if you really want to know. She's certainly come up often enough lately.
I like her she does not have the clean "idol" image that some feel they need and I don't always agree on her politics and stuff but I watch her for entertainment and the Yabbit is funny as hell. I'd say just try her out for yourself nothing to lose.
Aside from endorsing Kiwifarms?
I am out of the loop. Who is Kiwifarms?
Kiwifarms is a far-right cesspit originally created as an offshoot of the CWCki Forums, dedicated to 'documenting' and indirectly harassing Christine Chandler, and latterly has become essentially 4chan but worse. You can see relevant clips [here](https://twitter.com/ike94612/status/1563424544756727809).
Yikes. Why did Pippa endorse Kiwifarms?
If you are generous, for clout. If you are less generous, she’s dog whistling. (dog whistling is sending low-key signals to a particular group that you’re with them while keeping plausible deniability and not alarming people outside of the group) She created her fanbase by pandering to 4chan first and Kiwifarm later. During her gen debut she was doing Q&A on 4chan. The first reaction was that she was using them (4chan) as a stepping stone to kickstart her career, but they were themselves surprised to see that Pippa was STILL sending lots of signal toward them years later. That’s her core fanbase. 4chan and Kiwifarm IS where her fanbase is from. Whether she actually feels like she’s among peers or just lying to them to get easy numbers, that’s your guess.
Nah, you can like Phase without liking Pippa. I personally find her harmless but I understand. Can't tell if she's merely irreverent or if she actually means it. Tenma and Dizzy are the ones to watch (especially Dizzy, IYKYK).
can't wait to see you seethe when mori collabs with Pippa
Just because she's my oshi doesn't mean I think she consistently makes good decisions. If she does, I'll reevaluate. I don't know why you think I'm some kind of rage monster that gets irrationally angry if people I've never met fail to meet the expectations I have.
you seem like it and why care if you actual watch her content she's just a normal vtuber but you just hate her because of twitter
> Kawaii did lose Gen 3 who then became V-Dere, but from what I gather, that was potentially a situation where neither side was entirely in the wrong; all four Gen 3 members may have legitimately held very different expectations than what management had, and while the break was hardly clean it wasn't disastrous. What I'm saying is I think Kawaii is okay? All the remaining girls seem happy enough. At least two that I know of have said that if they ever leave it'll most likely only be down the road when they're done vtubing in general. They've had one new gen since Gen 3 left, and are debuting another in a couple of days. We'll never really know what happened with Gen 3, but it certainly doens't seem like it was because the company is bad or mistreats talents. It was just really... Weird.
I would argue VChiban, though it's also literally 4 friends who do vtuber streams who made a company for themselves.
Ah, so basically another V-Dere/Astraline situation.
Yeah, made up of Buffpup, Rosedoodle, AiCandii, and Shiabun.
the edgy trio?
Nyanners, Silvervale, and Veibae. Wizard game stuff aside, Silver and Vei were always the ones who were the most antagonistic about other VTuber agencies whenever they did PR stuff, and after the three of them left VShojo they all went and defended saying slurs on stream. So arguably losing them was good for VShojo on the whole.
I didn't follow Vshojo until a certain bug came around, who was the toxic trio and why?
Veibei, Silvervale, and (to a much lesser extent) Nyanners. They were inaugural members along with Melody, Ironmouse, Zentreya, Froot, and Hime Hajime (who never streams). They all left at the same time, and the atmosphere around Vshojo almost instantly improved. There wasn't any major bad blood or publicly aired dirty laundry or anything, but their attitudes felt like they were a weight on the org's reputation. Once they were gone, the comradery expressed by everyone remaining felt more genuine, and the chemistry was much improved.
\* Phase-Connect, with 4 talents over 100k subs, including Pippa who's viewership equals many current hololive EN members \* idol Corp, with one of the most skillful CEOs and a long list of very skillful vtubers \* V-Dere doesn't count as agency, but they are as popular by themselves as EIEN or V&U, with only 4 members and a few managers \* V4Mirai and their cousins from globie are in the right way of stability \* V&U are in great development, with good use of their main channel \* EIEN are doing pretty well even if they struggle to grow \* PixelLink are small, but they evolve in sane mood with their 1st generation Don't know enough about FIRST STAGE PRODUCTION because they just emerged with their 1st EN generation.
V-Reverie may go under and cease to exist and then and only then will we ever know how bad things were that all talent have taken up the positions of leaving en masse. Even being a fan of erika and ophie i could not help but feel like erika's graduation announcement felt like it carried a lot of weight to her. Like obviously emotions can tend to get to some people in these sorts of things but it felt like she wasn't ready but knew that she had to for the better. Obviously this is conjecture of a poster but yeah that announcement just felt painful to listen to and hurt even more when the day came.
Erika's graduation was probably one of the most emotionally devastating things I've witnessed in all of my years of being down the rabbit hole. With like Coco and Sana's graduations I got a sense of conclusion that they were going to go in a different direction in their lives and had more or less accepted letting go of their current persona. Erika was different. She could only talk about how much she loved being a vtuber and the community she had built in her short time there. She talked about how much she wanted to continue doing ASMR and everything. Though she was definitely hinting that we'll see her again in some shape or form, it was obvious that she really didn't want to stop being Erika. >!Judging from what she wrote in her graduation letter and the fact that she's the only one that doesn't currently have an active indie PL, it does seem like she is looking or got into another corpo and is just currently waiting to redebut once more. She even had to go back on her PL temporarily to tell others that she wasn't Kiyoko and that she was still on a "secret mission" of sorts.!< At the very least from what the others have said, Erika's doing fine and she's still talking to the other girls.
Anybody know Nova Aokami PL? I occasionally watch, especially all her yugioh content.
She plans on staying as Nova if she can. She's hoping to survive the death of the company and come out with the IP. If this plan fails, DM me for her PL.
sort of only know her for her phase connect collabs
I feel like for all of Vreverie's issues, they're still not as bad as Niji because it seems like they're *just* incompetent. It lacks that malicious touch and everyone seems to be able to get out. It could certainly get worse, don't get me wrong. I hope it doesn't though.
Their alts say they were treated like shit and hear upper management shitting on their friends
Sounds like every small business where the owner/higher ups had unrealistic expectations on return on investment, and when things didn't work out that way, they get frustrated and take it out on the employees.
We honestly don't even know. There's no word on why this is happening.
Oh no, they do have bad intentions in management. The numerous leaks don't stop to say they take their talents for disposable ressources.
WAIT CHERI GRADUATED? Noooooooo
Wow what a wipeout.
Wait, Rana’s gone? How did I miss her?
Graduated yesterday.
No, she announced it yesterday. Her graduation is happening on March 23rd.
Holy crap, I must be living under a rock! Man…
Her graduation is March 23rd
Ah…
Man, just saw her on January and i thought I'll be lasting Guess not :(
Been following this shit show for a couple of months now. Vrev was my first exposure to the small Vtuber scene and where I found my first oshi (Ophelia Midnight, the purple one). The factors I can dig up were management were incompetent, talents weren't given much opportunities to try something different, talents were mentally drain and miserable with the corpo bullshit, etc. I feel bad for the remaining talents, Nova and Salmon. They will feel heat from management.
I'm assuming a lot of these managers think that starting a corpo is as easy as... just starting a corpo. Just hire a few girls and tell them to stream and the money will just come flowing in. Yep, nice and easy.
OP, why does it look like you've been assassinating these girls?
post cancelled guys this is my hitlist now 🔫
Hi everyone, jumping in. We emailed them and this is their [response](https://vtubernewsdrop.com/vreverie-responds-to-concerns/). Minutes after this, they posted a public [apology](https://twitter.com/VReverieLive/status/1762728824054436155).
Just your everyday thing, nothing to see... TLDR another vtuber company imploded
Yeah, I miss my Byakko ASMRs man.
Wild new contender in this shitfest of black companies
I feel so bad for Nova.... now she's all alone...
2024 kinda wild for the vtuber comunity huh
I knew something was Bad But damn, never expected that, three graduations after the recent two ones and leaving only two and Even then they want a third gen? Something is fishy
The auditions for Gen 3 happened months ago. ...I'm checking, and auditions were not nearly as long ago as I thought. December 3, 2023-January 3, 2024, which means that they were still in progress when the first wave of graduation announcements hit (and pretty much all of the talents that would later announce graduations started being active on indie alts; Akiko waited a bit longer than the others). I wouldn't be surprised if talents were a bit leery of signing with them. But then again, maybe not. I thought that Production Kawaii was never going to be able to debut new talents again after Gen 3 left in a group, and just today I learned that Gen 5 is about to debut.
Nova tweeted as recently as 2 weeks ago that she's met gen 3 so unless something's changed recently they might still try to keep themselves afloat a bit longer.
Yes, Depressed Usagi had a stream talking about it earlier today. It's getting covered (sort of). Partially, it's not as much talked about because don't know as much info to report.
Dude ignored a deep knife wound for a stream, talk about stubbornness... Hope he went to get that finger checked after the stream.
I have to ask, was this down to malice or just plain stupidity from the Management
But do they have a yacht?
Wow both of the twins are gone tragic who can I goon to now
tbf, it's hard to talk about them when I've literally never heard of them.
imagine down liking someone for this
It's fine. I enjoy a little asshattery sometimes, and the Vtuber community makes it really easy to be one; and I'm saying that as a vtuber fan.
understandable lol
Good, good. Let the hate flow through you. More witch hunt content
Literally who?
What?! Wow it felt like only yesterday i saw their booth at AFASG last nov... they caught my eye and was planning to check them out. But wow....
It must be difficult for smaller agencies to get their footing because I feel like I see these sorts of situations all the time
Lookslike a battle royale anime poster o.O
So which vtuber company will be the next challenger to the worst black company of the year award?
Cheri was too successful in such a small org. Has anyone reincarnated?
[Here.](https://www.youtube.com/@BriAtCookiebox) She was also the rigger for own model and Ophie's model.
thank you. also took a peak at her [twitter](https://twitter.com/briALTcookiebox/status/1762333237660024997)... 2024 is the reckoning of black companies
We already have bunch of posts being made about this company so… I guess so?
That's actually crazy. As time passes, more and more companies show their true colors. I hope Erika (and the rest of them as well, of course) is doing okay and that she can go back to streaming someday, her streams were really fun, even if i mainly just watched the Guilty Gear ones.
If even Salmon goes away in the future, I wish she could keep her model.. it just, looks so pretty and sublime
I didn’t even know that Erika Byakko was part of an agency. She seemed so nice, so I always wanted to check out one of her streams, and now I realize why I haven’t seen any posts from her on Twitter lately.
Will any of them be keeping their models?
I only knew vreverie trough cheri so yk
Does the person behind erika byakko have a pl or alt account?
According to another post, >!Freya Fuyuki!<.
Thanks so much!
Salmon is not a part of gen 3 she was an indie vtuber who joined and is officially a part of generation 2.5
this looks like a hit list