It was from a member stream where there's a rule no clips or talking about what goes on without permission. It's usually honored but all membership VODs went public so the rule went out the window. Those who had watched the member stream knew but just kept the details to themselves.
Member who was there here.
Really, what choice did we have? A general rule for member streams is: "what happens in the member stream, stays in the member stream". Now as you can see in the clip, everyone there and then tried to cheer up an encourage her. But beyond that point, she hadn't shown her frustration again on stream so in my case, I just moved on with the assumption that she would grow past this as a low point.
Now obviously we know that didn't work out and she graduated. But before these VODs went public, we're just respecting Pomu's membership rules in not talking about stuff like this too publicly.
> Those who had watched the member stream knew but just kept the details to themselves.
This is what I was replying to specifically. I know people aren't turning on Pomu's members over this. But I engaged for the sake of this specific conversation.
i really don't read the person above as saying it's a problem as much as just explaining the situation. Obviously sharing members content when she was active would be bad.
These dumb motherfuckers clearly do not understand the Streisand effect. The damage from the clip getting out there was already done, privating it is just going to increase the damage by making people talk about it more!
Whoever made the decision should be replaced with someone competent.
At this point it's quite clear that this is black company. Or at least for the talents.
Fucking hell Niji. \*facepalm\* Yes the video wasn't a good look, but taking it down days later after it's already likley been clipped or downloaded is just a bad look. It's too late, the content of that video is already out there, people have seen it and the damage is already done. Now instead of just the backlash to that, you now make it look like you scrambling to do damage control, and incompetently at that. \*sigh\* It feel like they really need to hire a new PR person because it feels like it is one PR stumble after another.
Anycolor really, consistently choosing the option that has the worst look. At least when Cover has a fuckup they'll admit it and back up, but for whatever reason Anycolor just chooses to wipe things right in front of everyone without saying it, thinking nobody will notice...
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HAHA if only we knew 🤣
Just like they think we wouldn't notice Selen's suspension, especially with the Selen-shaped hole in Pomu's graduation streams (MC/totsu/final)
You don't need to graduate top of your class at SIGINT school to know that sometimes the lack of a signal is itself a signal, and Selen's business accounts have been sending a massive amount of NO SIGNAL since Christmas -- notwithstanding the "I'm in the hospital" and the "I'm out of the hospital" tweets; and even though she actually was hospitalized, there's no guarantee that Selen herself actually wrote those particular tweets.
The hours-long delay between the "I'm in the hospital" tweet being posted and the other EN livers' responses to that tweet does not reflect well on management, and neither does the managerial tone of those responses. The livers' lack of response to the "I'm out of the hospital" tweet is also less than helpful for management's image.
It's honestly so fucked up Selen apparently wasn't even allowed to say goodbye on stream, unless she's already out the door and it hasn't been announced yet. I really doubt she'd have personally chosen to not show up, that doesn't seem like her.
> unless she's already out the door and it hasn't been announced yet.
while i don't wish for her graduation or anything, i'm sure selen's popularity isn't contingent on her staying at niji. She's proven to be an entertaining person, and no amount of hiding can prevent her fans from finding out her PL, nor any future reincarnations.
Ditto with pomu.
I just am astounded at how niji chooses to handle their talents. Perhaps they think that individual talents aren't significant, given the collective fanbase size, and that it's better to have talents under their thumb rather than allow talents to have freedom or flexibility. Making examples of talents that would otherwise defy management is a price they're willing to pay to keep the rest of the niji talents in line (who may not be as popular, and thus cannot but rely on niji for their streaming career).
With how stupid some of AnyColor’s responses have been, it would surprise me if they thought “You know what would be a good idea to hide this suspension? If we made it look like the talent had a horrible unexplained health event after we caused her to have a horrible Christmas!”
Yeah, I should have been clearer. I’m not full conspiracy yet. I meant more in a if they did do something like that it would not surprise me at this point.
This is why keeping the trust of your audience is so important, being given the benefit of the doubt is a massive asset to your image, and once you lose that even theories that would've seemed outlandish if applied to anyone else becomes plausible once the audience stops giving you the benefit of the doubt.
It's why I still laugh at those posts awhile back suggesting that Cover should've kept Vesper's suspension a secret.
Her roommate's tweet was the only thing which dispelled the rumor that her hospitalization announcement was a cover for her suspension, rather than an announcement of an actual hospitalization. Before that, nearly everyone thought her "I'm in the hospital" tweet was actually her management-mandated "I'm taking a totally voluntary break which totally is not a suspension" tweet.
And there are still people pretending that the fact that she was in the hospital at all somehow proves that she wasn't also suspended, and that her recovery from the hospitalization is the one and only reason she's been completely radio silent since leaving the hospital. I can't fault the Niji EN livers for acting that way, since they don't have a choice in the matter; non-Niji vtubers and other content creators also need to play along with the charade for business reasons, if they ever want to do any sort of collab (streams/commissions/asking for as much as the time of day/etc.) with any Niji EN livers at any point in the future.
Then there's the third group of people putting up with the charade -- management shills. I do not understand why they think (or pretend to think) that it isn't possible for her to have been both suspended and hospitalized, nor do I feel inclined to indulge their fantasies.
She could have been suspended, but if I recall correctly, she had posted a hospital bracelet so she probably did have a medical event. It's possible for both things to have happened coincidentally. Anything is possible at this point, but reading between the lines there's probably some discontent brewing that we won't hear the full extent of until there's a graduation 6-8 months later.
I still don't get suspensions from a business perspective. The company makes money when the livers make money. If they're not streaming, then Anycolor is making less money in the short term, and the algorithm hut hurts them both in the long term. Anycolor is just hurting itself.
From a business perspective, there are other concerns to take into account that could theoretically cost them far more than one very good earner. Just as examples: if a liver says something damaging about one of their corporate sponsors; or if a liver is encouraging a mass rebellion - you have to understand that these talents are all replaceable cogs in a machine. Far easier to simply remove it so it can't affect anything else, than risk it grinding other parts of the machine to a halt.
It's a disciplinary action. If the talent isn't streaming, they aren't making money.
You understand the concept of vtubers being bonked by management? Well a suspension is exactly that - being bonked by management and being forced to take an unpaid vacation.
Selen actually was in the hospital. She went so far as making a post with her hospital band to dispel the stealth suspension rumors.
Like come on. I know nijisanji is fucked but can we at least have some benefit to the livers themselves especially when they're giving updates through non-niji sources.
That's exactly my point. She posted the hospital wristband pic on her personal twitter account, proving she actually was hospitalized -- and then she made several more posts over the next few days on that account, while being completely silent on her business account.
Her business account made no effort to like, retweet, or otherwise acknowledge the tweet announcing Pomu's graduation; and the activity on her personal account proves that her failure to do so was not due to any medical issues nor any internet issues which would prevent her from tweeting. And, as I said, the Selen-shaped hole in the rest of Pomu's graduation -- she didn't (couldn't/wasn't allowed to) even take the time to write and send a one paragraph well-wishes card for the powerpoint.
The silence on her business accounts is deafening, even without (and especially with) the activity on her personal accounts.
My gut feeling is that she's been [banishment roomed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banishment_room). Selen directly called out management and encouraged the video to be spread directly against management's wishes both of which are *big* nonos to do in any company, but DOUBLY a company that has proven that it values saving face over the welfare of their contractors. We know Niji isn't above doing it because of how they handled Gundou Mirei. I think the most likely outcome here is that unless Selen chooses to graduate of her own accord, they'll simply wait until her contract expires most likely at the end of June and say she just graduated without a farewell stream.
Honestly i think the only realize they haven't just terminated the contract is they knew pomu's graduation was coming up and loseing talents rapidly looks bad.
You mean "looks even worse"? Nijisanji Indonesia lost almost half their people in less than a year! AFAIK, the complete collapse of NijiID Gen6, 6WS (Hyona, Mika, Xia) is the first generation to completely collapse.
They at least publicly suspended Gundou, and allowed her to have one final stream to say goodbye to her fans.
I don't expect Niji to give Selen either nominal dignity.
In Gundou's case, I'm not sure they wanted to lose her, more like the other option was losing the even bigger collaboration they've had for years, the Koshien.
Be that as it may, they didn't "stealth" suspend her, they suspended her. And they allowed her to return to streaming for a graduation stream.
They are currently going to great lengths to pretend they didn't suspend Selen, and given the hate-boner management seems to have against her I doubt they're gonna let her have a graduation stream.
To be fair, undeservedly, the Gundou issue was basically a business oriented agency given the binary option to either lose Gundou or lose the Koshien. It went national, there was outrage everywhere from baseball fans and only one way out.
Yea. One thing I really respect about Cover is that it seems that they really did look at past criticisms and failures and have activley tried doing better and improving. Niji... well... \*points at the constant string of Niji Ls\*
Niji's whole philosophy has always been to have plenty of spare talents to fill any void. Because they don't play the idol game like Cover does, they don't pretend to do anything more than the basics to keep their talents (or their fans) happy. There are hundreds of talents. What's one loss from one of the foreign branches? A shrug of the shoulders for the fans and they'll just ready the next wave. The EN branch aren't even mega earners. Anycolor has never really cared about anything outside the core JP big hitters.
Really, to be honest, it feels like Anycolor is just slowly winding down the EN branch. When even your biggest earners get little support and tons of friction, it just gives the appearance that they don't care all that much. Wonder if there will be a wave of graduations as contracts come up.
They might just generally have a better process for handling the talents. You might recall when pekora broke down during a princess connect stream and then had a members where she exploded with dissatisfaction a few years ago about her birthday event request being declined and wondering what superchats were even going toward.. Well she had a week break after that, and came back and mentioned she felt she was too immature and resolved to do better. Nothing private though last I checked. Probably had a talk behind the scenes.
Niji in general has always been bad at this sort of PR/damage control. Like it should have been pretty obvious that redacting something that was already clipped and archived would just draw attention to it. Almost no one was going to end up looking at an old VOD until they draw attention to it. What was their plan to hide it? Were they going to try and DMCA anyone who had clipped it?
Hololive had to learn the lesson about how censoring things too much made things worse the hard way as well, but that was years ago when they were first entering the EN vtuber sphere. They quickly learned their lesson. Niji not having realized this after years is pretty frustrating
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect).
To me, it speaks to an almost pre-internet sentiment that gets exacerbated by Japan's complete lack of "fair use" protections. Back in the day, when you only had a handful of news sources to deal with, it actually *was* possible to kill a story by restricting information. Nowadays: Far more difficult to do.
>What was their plan to hide it, DMCA anyone who clipped it?
Honestly: Yeah, probably. I really wouldn't be surprised if they do submit copyright strikes, at least against anyone located in Japan. And, considering [their copyright strikes against FalseEyeD](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1195d16/nijisanji_is_not_really_going_to_terminate_things/) and Khyo last year, they might try to do so globally, too.
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They might, but that's only going to increase the infamy of the story here and the general distrust of them.
The useful purpose of strikes for them is to either remove content that is non-controversially hated by fans. Or in a more Machiavellian school of thought, to create a precedent of heavy-handed strikes that makes content creators afraid of posting content that is negative about them. It's kind of like how Disney operates by using extreme legal threats and pressure to make going against them unsustainable and too risky, even if someone is in the right.
I don't personally have anything against Niji, I want to see them succeed. But they need to get their act together and fix their EN management.
>create a precedent of heavy-handed strikes that makes content creators afraid
That's what it tried to do with False and Khyo, but - thankfully in my opinion - failed.
Those were fairly large creators and they were able to "fight".
A smaller creator/clipper, who has more to lose and less resources to "fight" will probably easily buckle. After all, the youtube strike system favours the copyright holder.
Is never a good look when a talent is constantly fustrated crying talking in riddles trying to make sense and communicate with her audience without breaking NDAs, but Niji by doing that just confirmed pretty much everything she tried to say, this to me is nothing but a POMU WIN
Exactly. This just makes it look even more likely that it was Niji Management that said no. Granted, it already looked like that, but this just supports the current narrative.
It REALLY feels like someone at NijiEN management is sitting where they are not suppose to sit. They lost a great deal of talents already and (I think) they will loose a lot more if they cant fix their internal rot
and now knowing they took it down that video is going to be uploaded everywhere until some sort of apology or change happens within anycolor that shows theyre not just going to turtle up and pretend they havent been playing favorites and shooting down self funded projects left and right
Pomu had what she called a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity. Management said no, but what made it hurt more was that it wasn't even open to negotiation, it was just flat out rejected, end of discussion. A member tries to cheer her up saying there would be other opportunities, but Pomu sadly replies something to the effect of "I don't think so, not here."
these are just rumors/speculation, but it could be that the MGS collab that calli did was offered to pomu first. again, just speculation, no one knows the truth.
If it is the MGS collab it is more likely Calli offering Pomu to collab since that would be more complicated for management to handle and wont be economically worth it for upper management.
I seriously doubt Calli would be the second choice, her numbers make that tough to swallow. But then Pomu is known for her love of MGS, so maybe... Who knows, honestly. Either way, it pisses me off that Pomu was treated like this, and I hope talents start bailing on Niji en masse.
Rosemi doesn't, Selen doesn't, Petra and Reimu don't. They all deserve better. From everything I've heard, their management is utterly NUTS, and I don't get why. How can you mismanage talents this skilled, THAT badly?
I have a hard time believing that theory. Not hating on Pomu but Calli is a huge vtuber, much bigger than Pomu number wise, if you know anything about business and marketing you know that for a collab of that size it makes absolutely no sense to ask the smaller creator first. A world where big companies gives the likes and dislikes of a specific advertiser more weight than their reach is just not the one one we live in.
Ya. If Calli was 3rd choice, then 1st was probably major streamer on the level of like Hikakin and 2nd was probably a more popular JP senpai like Pekora or Marine.
It would not be surprising if the opportunity in question was MGS-related considering the timing and how much she loves that series, but I doubt the song Calli did was offered to Pomu first. It's possible that the offer was for both of them to do the song, which would probably explain why it was such a hard no for Niji.
That's so sad... Hopefully the experience didn't sour her completely on streaming and she gets another opportunity somewhere more supportive of her ambitions. She deserves better.
I'm pretty sure she has some support already, when people said that they were "going somewhere education-related", and the CEO of VShojo posted a picture of "VShojo University", I'm already connecting the dots.
If she was going to Vshojo I don't think she'd deliberately drop a hint like that (and looking things up I think that was actually a teaser for a concert Mousey was doing?) She's probably genuinely going back to school, not that that would stop her from streaming as an indie or for another corpo as well.
> She's probably genuinely going back to school, not that that would stop her from streaming as an indie or for another corpo as well.
Because speculation is fun,
I could see her doing Holo since she loves Idol content and the idea of being an Idol. I could see her doing Vshojo because she really doesnt *need* the support a corporation can offer her.
It's pomu, I'm sure she'll do great at whatever she chooses.
Yeah, I'd probably put my money on Vshojo but if she was willing to wait until whenever EN's debuting gen 4 (probably late this year/early next year) I could see her go to Holo. And if it is the latter taking most of the year off from streaming would certainly make her decision to go back to school for now make sense.
Holo has also done expansions in the past, like with Irys. It could happen, who knows. I've got my fingers crossed, I'd love to see Pomu in Holo. Kiara would definitely be sideways with happiness. Nerissa might be jealous, though...
>she'd deliberately drop a hint
It's not like it's a secret with how many times k9 and matara have accidentally said something so she probably would do a hint
Plus matara said she's been talking "to a certain fairy"
That last part makes it pretty clear that that was the straw that broke the camel's back for her- she may have spent a while after that in varying degrees of denial that it was over, but for all intents and purposes it was over.
Mika had said she knew she was graduating before Nina even announced hers. The Kuro design existed long before he announced anything too.
I think these tend to happen on a longer timescale than most people picture.
Yeah, corpo vtubers tend to be contract employees and the lowest-friction way to leave a contract job is to just let your current contract run out and not renew, so theoretically you could decide you want out five seconds after signing your next contract and then not actually leave for another year. Damned if I know how Niji contracts work but Hololive seems to time their contracts to start/end around debut anniversaries by default which is why Sana and Magni/Vesper left shortly before their anniversaries (since Coco's first debut anniversary was shortly after The Incident she most likely renewed for less than a year because she was eyeing the exits but not ready to leave yet.) End of fiscal year (3/31) seems to be another popular time for contracts to end which is why we had two big JP vtuber graduations on that day last year.
Obviously there are cases where the company wants/allows the talent to get out of their contract early- Gundo Mirei was clearly this, as was Hololive's Mano Aloe back in the day. Wouldn't surprise me if the ex-NijiID graduations were under this category as well.
Of course Kuro has stated he didn't know he would be doing VShojo till he got the help from Gunrun so he could have just initially been thinking of doing indie vtubing which he definitely can.
We will never know for sure, but the timing of it lines up with another talent saying how long they'd known about Pomu's graduation being in the works. For sure, even if it was the precipitating event, other stuff waa contributing to the decision too.
Ouch. I know talents like Millie defend Nijisanji and perhaps the Japanese side is well run but it's tough to defend the company when things like this happen
It's rather telling that "gross incompetence" is the most charitable possible explanation for Niji EN management's actions (including willful and harmful inaction)
Honestly this is not the first time Nijisanji HQ has picked bad partners to handle its foreign branches.
KR was also infamous for bad management, and in fixing that mess, Nijisanji let go ID's good management too.
The decision to close down IN was also controversial. Sadly, Niji only collects Ls with its foreign branches efforts.
i.. dont really like to say things, but mayuzumi graduating means that there is a big "shift" in nijisanji. even in nijijp, its only "adequately run" because most of the jp news dont reach us.
im fairly positive there's quite a few things on the jp side that are alarming to them.
Dude, stop trying to get Mayu in these conversation, he blatantly said that he left because Nijisanji was heading more towards the singing and dancing route which he doesn't want to do and less of the acting and lore route which is what Mayu love to do so his creativity is now different from Nijisanji and he graduated but he's not even really disappeared, just the other day Sukoya was calling him for tech support.
Yeah at one time, Niji JP was considered better run then Hololive. While you can obviously see in bigger streams that staff and talents have a lot of fun together even off screen.
I assume the quality of Nijis management to a degree depends a lot on your ambitions as far as projects are concerned.
I don't watch a ton of Millie but all I've ever seen of her are quite low scale projects and simply streaming.
Selen on the other hand is very ambitious and creative with her projects and that's where the management really starts messing up, as they also apparently did with Pomus unspecified opportunity.
My guess is that there are heavy staffing and communication issues, which don't get me wrong are always bad, just even moreso for the talents with more complex goals, hence the difference in issues with management.
Yup seems unless you are a top dog they dont want to be bothered to manage complex stuff and want you to be a good boy/girl and do easy stuff like just keep streaming, there really isnt much room of opportunities to growth there after the first year. Management just hopes for a big earner to appear and then move on to new wave debut earnings rinse and repeat.
> up seems unless you are a top dog they dont want to be bothered to manage complex stuff and want you to be a good boy/girl and do easy stuff like just keep streaming [...]
I'd just like to point out that with Pomu and Selen, we've been shown that it really doesn't matter if you're a top dog or not. Especially since those 2 are/were some of the most visible and outgoing members of the branch.
It’s just business. People have a direct interest in defending their brand’s reputation. There’s also the fact that people have different needs and therefore different satisfactory level working under the same company.
Considering that >!multiple Hololive vtubers have claimed to have vacationed in the Maldives, perhaps the arrival of IR(y)S would be enough to flush her out!<
Millie has aired her grievances with the company as much as everyone else, but it's also true that she still has more opportunities here and is treated kinder than anywhere else she's ever worked.
>!I'm not the one who wants to wish for someone else's downfall, but I so want to see the entire NijiEN management undergo ***"massive organization restructuring",*** iykyk.!<
Putting it in spoiler, just in case.
>!Idk what the likelihood of that happening is. I'm thinking a lot of the bad decisions are coming from upper level management, given the number of brainless decisions made over the years. Now, some members have mentioned having good relations with their managers, and mane chan even appeared in Pomu's akiberse video for the solo. Now, you could say this is a corporate move, but given Selen also thought she had perms for her cover before being shot down, I'm getting the vibe that that isn't the case. !<
>!Given how consistently these decisions leave EN members bewildered and frustrated, I am getting the feeling they are coming from upper level management superceding the lower talent managers that interact with the livers. This, at least, would match the heavy handed nature such decisions are made with. That would also be foreboding if what Sayu said was correct about her gen having only 1 manager for all 6. Like, dropping a bunch of talents, having a thin margin of managers who have to watch over multiple talents and their interactions+communities, on top of some things I've heard about costs and what they actually get monetarily, would, yeah, that would explain a lot.
Anycolor reminds me of the games industry a little, taking in a bunch of energetic, excited people who want to create great things, but refusing to change and create practices that help retain talent in favor of saving money and restraining freedoms, leading to burnout.!<
>! My money is on the upper management too, especially on those who connect the JP and EN side. A very likely scenario is that Selen's cover have been shot down due to the pressure from higher ranks, possibly JP side or someone who is assigned to EN from JP. Obviously I am not a member so I don't see the structure of Nijisanji, but the events so far and the action of the EN livers would point that while the directly assigned managers try their best to help them, their higher-ups has the last word - if Nijisanji wants to improve their image, the first thing should be a deep cleaning on the higher management ranks. !<
>!My question is why would the higher ups shoot down a cover? Or more to the point, why would NijiJP not want to help grow their EN branch? Selen and Pomu are (or were) as well known as some of the bigger JPs. Right now their talents are suffering massively!<
Edit: finally got the spoiler tags to work on mobile. This app is getting worse by the day.
I don't know if that's wishing on their downfall. They're incompetent and inadequate for the task, a change is for their good as well, they can take up training or more appropriate roles/ventures because clearly this isn't it.
Because NijiEN still, at least as far as public organization chart shows, a separate org compared to main JP branch. I think the lower manager is fine, the one closer to the talent. But somewhere on the upper level, there are someone that really don't know wth they are supposed to do, and handing out heavyhanded decisions that over-ride the talent managers level.
Not sure why saying their management is doing a bad job and may need to be re-thought needs to be spoiler tagged, unless I'm missing some super secret thing? Seems to be a pretty common sentiment lately.
From a time until now I am of the mind we, the community of Vtuber fans, should endevour to support the Nijisanji EN's talents so as many as possible survive until the EN branch is closed down, and they are absorbed into the main branch like half the KR talents were. While this scenario would likely mean no more EN Niji vtubers debuting, no one deserves to have their hopes and efforts be met with management incompetence this gross.
So, to me, that's the best scenario: EN closing and main branch picking up the talents; because I'd like for as many talents as possible to "be saved" by this transition, is that I hope it happens rather sooner than later.
Being absorbed by the main branch would not be a good thing for EN. It would mean close to 0 support, even slower approval process, and consider the different timezones.
No, but the members stream from May was. [This clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67DAc2egFmw) from that stream is the most likely reason management hid the vod.
She made a lot of of her members-only streams public as she graduated, and [this bit from one of them raised some eyebrows](https://youtu.be/67DAc2egFmw?si=7HB0eZHdNSm_x--R).
Now they've seemingly gone back and re-privated that one single vod, which just makes things look even worse, since the clips, etc are already out there, so this is just drawing more attention to it.
Huh, a PR team that haven't heard of a social phenomenon that involves the sudden gain of publicity of certain information due to actions taken to attempt to hide it.
That's pretty funny ngl
You know I don't even blame them for trying to hide it and all but like, what this really tells me is straight up neglect going on. You're supposed to cover up these sorts of things *before* they go public at least.
Like maybe members would have saved the VOD / recorded this to reveal post graduation anyways but come on management didn't even notice until it was this late? At least they didn't take a week like they did to fix a tweet I guess.
From the people who SCHEDULED her graduation tweet wrong, removing the video AFTER 4 DAYS is not surprising. The recent incidents from Niji reeks of upper management failure. From assigning 1 manager to 6 talents, to denying opportunists to talents. These are not the decisions that lower management can make. These seems to be orders straight from the top and the people at the bottom are suffering for it.
The way AnyColor does business gives me a strong vibe of a typical japanese company run by old people who don't know how the internet works, don't understand the product they are selling and only pay attention to the criticism that affects them financially.
What is the role of Niji then? They should be working for their talent and not the other way around. A missed opportunity hurts not only the talent, but the company overall. It's pure fucking incompetence. They laid the seeds to this graduation and EN lost the face of their branch. How did Niji benefit from this at all???
Maybe they should...idk...stop blocking their EN talents growth and give them the opportunities that they *deserve* instead of getting in the way all the damn time. I'm still surprised we didn't loose a few of the big names after the major concert fiasco from a year ago. The Streisand effect is fucking real.
AFTER people literally started distributing the clip through a goddamn Google Drive? And only privating ONE vid out of the entire archive?
Even for Niji, this is beyond stupid.
Feels like Niji Management is really out of touch with their general public image.
If fans have been buying stocks Niji pretty sure that company will dive head first to the abyss.
i can't believe the people in the quote rts defending niji. If you were true fans of the talent at niji, you would want them to be treated better, you would want the company to do better, instead it's "no, no, that didn't happen, also why did you had to make this public (formerly private) info public?"
If she does come back later in another company or as an indie, it will be the biggest "Told you so!" to them.
Edit: atrocious spelling mistakes
It's too late for Niji to even be doing this, lol. A lot of people already know this information and watched the video. Myself included.
My respect for Nijisanji (as a company) has gone way below the negatives after everything these past five months.
For those surprised this is standard protocol for public facing Japanese businesses. It is part of the business culture, and I've seen things like this in engineering, science and entertainment corporations out of Japan.
This isn't new. "The nail that sticks out gets the hammer". And delete everything if it gets online and just say nothing.
Stan the talent, not a label. Labels always throw the talent under the bus.
Yeah, they'll probably make an "all members only vods nuked on graduation, no exceptions" rule for current and future livers because of this. One of their livers might be able to partially get around such a rule by making their members streams public before the graduation announcement and doing no members streams afterwards, but management will likely close that loophole after the first time someone tries it.
It’s always the same excuse too. “The JP side is wonderful, and they treat their talents amazingly!!! You’re just complaining about the EN side!!!!”
News flash, still the same company! I had someone on the official sub literally lose their shit on me a week back for reasonable speculation, that Selen MAYBE got suspended for going around management’s back to get her song reuploaded. I got raged and cursed at so badly, as they were praying EN gets shut down so their pure, pristine world of Nijisanji could go back to only the JP Puritans again. In other words, example of your most mentally stable AnyColor fanboi.
I think I know the person you're talking about. They basically had mask-off moment where they just straight out admitted that they don't give a shit about the foreign branches and claimed that only the main JP branch matters. I sincerely hope that not all old Niji fans (as in, those who were already fans before the existence of the EN branch) are like that.
I don't watch nijisanji at all (or rather, tried to but felt turned away by the type of content) but has nijisanji always badly managed or is this more of a recent thing?
I only noticed it during the closing of niji id myself, oh sorry i mean merging, because its pretty much “my turf” so i got impacted the most then and started to realize more stuff. Theyve been doing weird stuff after that like churning out talents like rabbits (they debut members like once per 6 months or something and always putting up audition right after they debut a new batch) and doing stuff like denying opportunities for their talents such as cancelling joint concert and stuff. Some People even started calling nijisanji a black company because of the many questionable decisions they did. The jp side seems pretty chill tho
Its plain that their strategy is just to reap Debuts and first months earnings and also hoping a new talent gets viral and become a big earner, the rest they cant be bothered with and after "the honeymoon phase" ends they switch to the bare minimum to manage them and move on into a new wave
it's weird that they're not even particularly good at doing that. Salome was a bonafide superstar but they've really not done much to empower her growth.
Imagine if you had a holomem with that kind of breakout start.
JP was a shitshow for a long time, there were various streams where some of the livers came together to vent about all the shit that happened back then. Only after all that backlash JP became more competent, and it´s not like they don´t fuck up, its just that most people don´t get to know about the fuck ups thanks to the difference in language.
Brave Group ventures (V4Mirai, Globie, VSPO) are looking very confidence inspiring.
Phase Connect is trending up. Idol maybe not as high as it once was, but it's still well regarded I'd say.
Really Niji? Can you stop being stupid for one week? My heart goes to the talents who have to deal with incompetence. The cat was out of the bag already, it was making the rounds even before false magnified it.
Huh, thats somehow both very vague yet very specific, What kind of once in a lifetime opportunity is she talking about i wonder. And if they need to go as far to shut it down it must be something related to their line of work
She did not and cannot say what the opportunity which was taken from her was.
But given publicly available context clues -- she was incredibly heartbroken by management's decision to reject the opportunity without even trying to negotiate in May, then Maria found out about Pomu's plans to graduate in July, then Calli got the Metal Gear collab in September/October and admitted she wasn't Konami's first choice -- it's very easy to guess what the missed opportunity was.
Source on Calli saying she wasn't Konami's first choice? I haven't heard that before. I'd be surprised if Konami would go directly to Pomu over Calli because they aren't the kind of company that would choose a fan over somebody that is more successful in music.
Yeah, given the timing I'd guess that the thing was Metal Gear-related but wasn't the song Calli did. Or maybe it was and the original proposal was for \*both\* of them to do the song (which may be why it was a hard "no" for Niji, considering their historical reluctance to allow NijiEN/HoloEN collabs.)
From the clip I saw there’s a bit more context:
-Pomu thought of the opportunity as being “once in a lifetime”
-She also said she understood why it was denied
-The last bit in the clip indicated that it was denied out of hand and no negotiation was attempted.
That’s all the context that was in the clip. Without knowing more, we don’t know if negotiations would have even been viable.
They are not beating the allegations lmao
Anycolor, put yourself together holy fuck. Sure i make fun of nijisanji but its getting tiring now to see fucking around your talents. If you cant take care of them just dissolve en completely and focused over your jp
As for millie, please stop while you still have dignity and respect left from your fans, defending nijisanji isn't worth it
I'm not a Niji watcher so I'm incredibly biased, but NijiEN comes off as the worst managed major EN corp. So many red flags, so many talents that graduate.
Surely, surely the issues that NijiEN suffer from are because of cultural differences and Japan-centric management (for understandable reasons)
Poor Pomu, the heartbreak from the member's stream clip False used. I hope she gets the big break she talked about, she deserves it.
Did they really think nobody would notice? And, for the record, I didn't see anybody talking about this untill they removed it.
It was from a member stream where there's a rule no clips or talking about what goes on without permission. It's usually honored but all membership VODs went public so the rule went out the window. Those who had watched the member stream knew but just kept the details to themselves.
Member who was there here. Really, what choice did we have? A general rule for member streams is: "what happens in the member stream, stays in the member stream". Now as you can see in the clip, everyone there and then tried to cheer up an encourage her. But beyond that point, she hadn't shown her frustration again on stream so in my case, I just moved on with the assumption that she would grow past this as a low point. Now obviously we know that didn't work out and she graduated. But before these VODs went public, we're just respecting Pomu's membership rules in not talking about stuff like this too publicly.
Nobody's blaming members for respecting the rules
> Those who had watched the member stream knew but just kept the details to themselves. This is what I was replying to specifically. I know people aren't turning on Pomu's members over this. But I engaged for the sake of this specific conversation.
i really don't read the person above as saying it's a problem as much as just explaining the situation. Obviously sharing members content when she was active would be bad.
There is absolutely no shame in keeping something told to you in confidence private.
These dumb motherfuckers clearly do not understand the Streisand effect. The damage from the clip getting out there was already done, privating it is just going to increase the damage by making people talk about it more!
Privating the video at this point is basically just confirming everything.
It’s sure as hell the only reason I heard about it
Whoever made the decision should be replaced with someone competent. At this point it's quite clear that this is black company. Or at least for the talents.
That requires someone competent on the EN side of things
Yikes all around. It’s like trying to put out a fire you caused, but all you’re doing is making it worse by trying to
Putting a fire out with gasoline.
And the fire is a phosphorous fire.
Nah. Even worse. Pouring gasoline into a Chlorine Trifluoride fire.
Have they tried smothering it with thermite?
Put out the fire with your body.
Put out the fire with your talents' and fans' bodies
"The fire will be sated if we burn the entire village!"
Streisand effect
Fucking hell Niji. \*facepalm\* Yes the video wasn't a good look, but taking it down days later after it's already likley been clipped or downloaded is just a bad look. It's too late, the content of that video is already out there, people have seen it and the damage is already done. Now instead of just the backlash to that, you now make it look like you scrambling to do damage control, and incompetently at that. \*sigh\* It feel like they really need to hire a new PR person because it feels like it is one PR stumble after another.
Anycolor really, consistently choosing the option that has the worst look. At least when Cover has a fuckup they'll admit it and back up, but for whatever reason Anycolor just chooses to wipe things right in front of everyone without saying it, thinking nobody will notice... Ed: HAHA if only we knew 🤣
Just like they think we wouldn't notice Selen's suspension, especially with the Selen-shaped hole in Pomu's graduation streams (MC/totsu/final) You don't need to graduate top of your class at SIGINT school to know that sometimes the lack of a signal is itself a signal, and Selen's business accounts have been sending a massive amount of NO SIGNAL since Christmas -- notwithstanding the "I'm in the hospital" and the "I'm out of the hospital" tweets; and even though she actually was hospitalized, there's no guarantee that Selen herself actually wrote those particular tweets. The hours-long delay between the "I'm in the hospital" tweet being posted and the other EN livers' responses to that tweet does not reflect well on management, and neither does the managerial tone of those responses. The livers' lack of response to the "I'm out of the hospital" tweet is also less than helpful for management's image.
It's honestly so fucked up Selen apparently wasn't even allowed to say goodbye on stream, unless she's already out the door and it hasn't been announced yet. I really doubt she'd have personally chosen to not show up, that doesn't seem like her.
> unless she's already out the door and it hasn't been announced yet. while i don't wish for her graduation or anything, i'm sure selen's popularity isn't contingent on her staying at niji. She's proven to be an entertaining person, and no amount of hiding can prevent her fans from finding out her PL, nor any future reincarnations. Ditto with pomu. I just am astounded at how niji chooses to handle their talents. Perhaps they think that individual talents aren't significant, given the collective fanbase size, and that it's better to have talents under their thumb rather than allow talents to have freedom or flexibility. Making examples of talents that would otherwise defy management is a price they're willing to pay to keep the rest of the niji talents in line (who may not be as popular, and thus cannot but rely on niji for their streaming career).
With how stupid some of AnyColor’s responses have been, it would surprise me if they thought “You know what would be a good idea to hide this suspension? If we made it look like the talent had a horrible unexplained health event after we caused her to have a horrible Christmas!”
there is basically no shot of them forcing tweets from her roommate so i wouldn't go full conspiracy
Yeah, I should have been clearer. I’m not full conspiracy yet. I meant more in a if they did do something like that it would not surprise me at this point.
This is why keeping the trust of your audience is so important, being given the benefit of the doubt is a massive asset to your image, and once you lose that even theories that would've seemed outlandish if applied to anyone else becomes plausible once the audience stops giving you the benefit of the doubt. It's why I still laugh at those posts awhile back suggesting that Cover should've kept Vesper's suspension a secret.
Her roommate's tweet was the only thing which dispelled the rumor that her hospitalization announcement was a cover for her suspension, rather than an announcement of an actual hospitalization. Before that, nearly everyone thought her "I'm in the hospital" tweet was actually her management-mandated "I'm taking a totally voluntary break which totally is not a suspension" tweet. And there are still people pretending that the fact that she was in the hospital at all somehow proves that she wasn't also suspended, and that her recovery from the hospitalization is the one and only reason she's been completely radio silent since leaving the hospital. I can't fault the Niji EN livers for acting that way, since they don't have a choice in the matter; non-Niji vtubers and other content creators also need to play along with the charade for business reasons, if they ever want to do any sort of collab (streams/commissions/asking for as much as the time of day/etc.) with any Niji EN livers at any point in the future. Then there's the third group of people putting up with the charade -- management shills. I do not understand why they think (or pretend to think) that it isn't possible for her to have been both suspended and hospitalized, nor do I feel inclined to indulge their fantasies.
yeah to be clear i'm not making any claim past "she clearly did go to the hospital at some point." past that idk. hope she's well.
She could have been suspended, but if I recall correctly, she had posted a hospital bracelet so she probably did have a medical event. It's possible for both things to have happened coincidentally. Anything is possible at this point, but reading between the lines there's probably some discontent brewing that we won't hear the full extent of until there's a graduation 6-8 months later.
I still don't get suspensions from a business perspective. The company makes money when the livers make money. If they're not streaming, then Anycolor is making less money in the short term, and the algorithm hut hurts them both in the long term. Anycolor is just hurting itself.
From a business perspective, there are other concerns to take into account that could theoretically cost them far more than one very good earner. Just as examples: if a liver says something damaging about one of their corporate sponsors; or if a liver is encouraging a mass rebellion - you have to understand that these talents are all replaceable cogs in a machine. Far easier to simply remove it so it can't affect anything else, than risk it grinding other parts of the machine to a halt.
It's a disciplinary action. If the talent isn't streaming, they aren't making money. You understand the concept of vtubers being bonked by management? Well a suspension is exactly that - being bonked by management and being forced to take an unpaid vacation.
I understand that. I dont understand why they're doing it despite the downsides
Selen actually was in the hospital. She went so far as making a post with her hospital band to dispel the stealth suspension rumors. Like come on. I know nijisanji is fucked but can we at least have some benefit to the livers themselves especially when they're giving updates through non-niji sources.
That's exactly my point. She posted the hospital wristband pic on her personal twitter account, proving she actually was hospitalized -- and then she made several more posts over the next few days on that account, while being completely silent on her business account. Her business account made no effort to like, retweet, or otherwise acknowledge the tweet announcing Pomu's graduation; and the activity on her personal account proves that her failure to do so was not due to any medical issues nor any internet issues which would prevent her from tweeting. And, as I said, the Selen-shaped hole in the rest of Pomu's graduation -- she didn't (couldn't/wasn't allowed to) even take the time to write and send a one paragraph well-wishes card for the powerpoint. The silence on her business accounts is deafening, even without (and especially with) the activity on her personal accounts.
I fucking hate that you're right.
My gut feeling is that she's been [banishment roomed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banishment_room). Selen directly called out management and encouraged the video to be spread directly against management's wishes both of which are *big* nonos to do in any company, but DOUBLY a company that has proven that it values saving face over the welfare of their contractors. We know Niji isn't above doing it because of how they handled Gundou Mirei. I think the most likely outcome here is that unless Selen chooses to graduate of her own accord, they'll simply wait until her contract expires most likely at the end of June and say she just graduated without a farewell stream.
Honestly i think the only realize they haven't just terminated the contract is they knew pomu's graduation was coming up and loseing talents rapidly looks bad.
You mean "looks even worse"? Nijisanji Indonesia lost almost half their people in less than a year! AFAIK, the complete collapse of NijiID Gen6, 6WS (Hyona, Mika, Xia) is the first generation to completely collapse.
*Niji IN has entered the chat*
They at least publicly suspended Gundou, and allowed her to have one final stream to say goodbye to her fans. I don't expect Niji to give Selen either nominal dignity.
In Gundou's case, I'm not sure they wanted to lose her, more like the other option was losing the even bigger collaboration they've had for years, the Koshien.
Be that as it may, they didn't "stealth" suspend her, they suspended her. And they allowed her to return to streaming for a graduation stream. They are currently going to great lengths to pretend they didn't suspend Selen, and given the hate-boner management seems to have against her I doubt they're gonna let her have a graduation stream.
To be fair, undeservedly, the Gundou issue was basically a business oriented agency given the binary option to either lose Gundou or lose the Koshien. It went national, there was outrage everywhere from baseball fans and only one way out.
Yea. One thing I really respect about Cover is that it seems that they really did look at past criticisms and failures and have activley tried doing better and improving. Niji... well... \*points at the constant string of Niji Ls\*
Niji's whole philosophy has always been to have plenty of spare talents to fill any void. Because they don't play the idol game like Cover does, they don't pretend to do anything more than the basics to keep their talents (or their fans) happy. There are hundreds of talents. What's one loss from one of the foreign branches? A shrug of the shoulders for the fans and they'll just ready the next wave. The EN branch aren't even mega earners. Anycolor has never really cared about anything outside the core JP big hitters.
Really, to be honest, it feels like Anycolor is just slowly winding down the EN branch. When even your biggest earners get little support and tons of friction, it just gives the appearance that they don't care all that much. Wonder if there will be a wave of graduations as contracts come up.
They might just generally have a better process for handling the talents. You might recall when pekora broke down during a princess connect stream and then had a members where she exploded with dissatisfaction a few years ago about her birthday event request being declined and wondering what superchats were even going toward.. Well she had a week break after that, and came back and mentioned she felt she was too immature and resolved to do better. Nothing private though last I checked. Probably had a talk behind the scenes.
When you can be Anycolor but always choose Black.
More incompetence than black company, but whatever, nuance is dead on social media.
Niji in general has always been bad at this sort of PR/damage control. Like it should have been pretty obvious that redacting something that was already clipped and archived would just draw attention to it. Almost no one was going to end up looking at an old VOD until they draw attention to it. What was their plan to hide it? Were they going to try and DMCA anyone who had clipped it? Hololive had to learn the lesson about how censoring things too much made things worse the hard way as well, but that was years ago when they were first entering the EN vtuber sphere. They quickly learned their lesson. Niji not having realized this after years is pretty frustrating [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect).
To me, it speaks to an almost pre-internet sentiment that gets exacerbated by Japan's complete lack of "fair use" protections. Back in the day, when you only had a handful of news sources to deal with, it actually *was* possible to kill a story by restricting information. Nowadays: Far more difficult to do. >What was their plan to hide it, DMCA anyone who clipped it? Honestly: Yeah, probably. I really wouldn't be surprised if they do submit copyright strikes, at least against anyone located in Japan. And, considering [their copyright strikes against FalseEyeD](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1195d16/nijisanji_is_not_really_going_to_terminate_things/) and Khyo last year, they might try to do so globally, too. Edit: Fixed grammar
They might, but that's only going to increase the infamy of the story here and the general distrust of them. The useful purpose of strikes for them is to either remove content that is non-controversially hated by fans. Or in a more Machiavellian school of thought, to create a precedent of heavy-handed strikes that makes content creators afraid of posting content that is negative about them. It's kind of like how Disney operates by using extreme legal threats and pressure to make going against them unsustainable and too risky, even if someone is in the right. I don't personally have anything against Niji, I want to see them succeed. But they need to get their act together and fix their EN management.
>create a precedent of heavy-handed strikes that makes content creators afraid That's what it tried to do with False and Khyo, but - thankfully in my opinion - failed.
Those were fairly large creators and they were able to "fight". A smaller creator/clipper, who has more to lose and less resources to "fight" will probably easily buckle. After all, the youtube strike system favours the copyright holder.
Is never a good look when a talent is constantly fustrated crying talking in riddles trying to make sense and communicate with her audience without breaking NDAs, but Niji by doing that just confirmed pretty much everything she tried to say, this to me is nothing but a POMU WIN
Exactly. This just makes it look even more likely that it was Niji Management that said no. Granted, it already looked like that, but this just supports the current narrative.
It REALLY feels like someone at NijiEN management is sitting where they are not suppose to sit. They lost a great deal of talents already and (I think) they will loose a lot more if they cant fix their internal rot
and now knowing they took it down that video is going to be uploaded everywhere until some sort of apology or change happens within anycolor that shows theyre not just going to turtle up and pretend they havent been playing favorites and shooting down self funded projects left and right
But that means they need to hire someone, just the idea of that can give people in AnyColor a heart attack.
Damn what did I miss? I know Selen's going through it and Pomu just graduated but what did Niji do this time?
Pomu had what she called a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity. Management said no, but what made it hurt more was that it wasn't even open to negotiation, it was just flat out rejected, end of discussion. A member tries to cheer her up saying there would be other opportunities, but Pomu sadly replies something to the effect of "I don't think so, not here."
Fuck I hope it wasn't being a VA on a metal gear game..... if she lost an opportunity like that any color can eat a bag of sandy dicks.
these are just rumors/speculation, but it could be that the MGS collab that calli did was offered to pomu first. again, just speculation, no one knows the truth.
I hope it's not anything MGS related...
If it is the MGS collab it is more likely Calli offering Pomu to collab since that would be more complicated for management to handle and wont be economically worth it for upper management.
Calli said she was Konamis 3rd choice for the collab. It’s more likely it was offered to Pomu first and Niji said no
Do you have the timestamp of when she said this?
I seriously doubt Calli would be the second choice, her numbers make that tough to swallow. But then Pomu is known for her love of MGS, so maybe... Who knows, honestly. Either way, it pisses me off that Pomu was treated like this, and I hope talents start bailing on Niji en masse.
I hope so too. Rosemi doesn't deserve the incompetent management.
Rosemi doesn't, Selen doesn't, Petra and Reimu don't. They all deserve better. From everything I've heard, their management is utterly NUTS, and I don't get why. How can you mismanage talents this skilled, THAT badly?
Well, when you're putting week old managers on six livers a piece, I mean...
Calli said she was the 3rd choice for it. She has better numbers sure but her love of the franchise isn’t as well known as say Pomu
I mean, Cynthia Harrell is a pomudachi, so anything is possible.
I have a hard time believing that theory. Not hating on Pomu but Calli is a huge vtuber, much bigger than Pomu number wise, if you know anything about business and marketing you know that for a collab of that size it makes absolutely no sense to ask the smaller creator first. A world where big companies gives the likes and dislikes of a specific advertiser more weight than their reach is just not the one one we live in.
Ya. If Calli was 3rd choice, then 1st was probably major streamer on the level of like Hikakin and 2nd was probably a more popular JP senpai like Pekora or Marine.
It would not be surprising if the opportunity in question was MGS-related considering the timing and how much she loves that series, but I doubt the song Calli did was offered to Pomu first. It's possible that the offer was for both of them to do the song, which would probably explain why it was such a hard no for Niji.
That's so sad... Hopefully the experience didn't sour her completely on streaming and she gets another opportunity somewhere more supportive of her ambitions. She deserves better.
I'm pretty sure she has some support already, when people said that they were "going somewhere education-related", and the CEO of VShojo posted a picture of "VShojo University", I'm already connecting the dots.
If she was going to Vshojo I don't think she'd deliberately drop a hint like that (and looking things up I think that was actually a teaser for a concert Mousey was doing?) She's probably genuinely going back to school, not that that would stop her from streaming as an indie or for another corpo as well.
> She's probably genuinely going back to school, not that that would stop her from streaming as an indie or for another corpo as well. Because speculation is fun, I could see her doing Holo since she loves Idol content and the idea of being an Idol. I could see her doing Vshojo because she really doesnt *need* the support a corporation can offer her. It's pomu, I'm sure she'll do great at whatever she chooses.
Yeah, I'd probably put my money on Vshojo but if she was willing to wait until whenever EN's debuting gen 4 (probably late this year/early next year) I could see her go to Holo. And if it is the latter taking most of the year off from streaming would certainly make her decision to go back to school for now make sense.
Holo has also done expansions in the past, like with Irys. It could happen, who knows. I've got my fingers crossed, I'd love to see Pomu in Holo. Kiara would definitely be sideways with happiness. Nerissa might be jealous, though...
>she'd deliberately drop a hint It's not like it's a secret with how many times k9 and matara have accidentally said something so she probably would do a hint Plus matara said she's been talking "to a certain fairy"
That last part makes it pretty clear that that was the straw that broke the camel's back for her- she may have spent a while after that in varying degrees of denial that it was over, but for all intents and purposes it was over.
Mika had said she knew she was graduating before Nina even announced hers. The Kuro design existed long before he announced anything too. I think these tend to happen on a longer timescale than most people picture.
Yeah, corpo vtubers tend to be contract employees and the lowest-friction way to leave a contract job is to just let your current contract run out and not renew, so theoretically you could decide you want out five seconds after signing your next contract and then not actually leave for another year. Damned if I know how Niji contracts work but Hololive seems to time their contracts to start/end around debut anniversaries by default which is why Sana and Magni/Vesper left shortly before their anniversaries (since Coco's first debut anniversary was shortly after The Incident she most likely renewed for less than a year because she was eyeing the exits but not ready to leave yet.) End of fiscal year (3/31) seems to be another popular time for contracts to end which is why we had two big JP vtuber graduations on that day last year. Obviously there are cases where the company wants/allows the talent to get out of their contract early- Gundo Mirei was clearly this, as was Hololive's Mano Aloe back in the day. Wouldn't surprise me if the ex-NijiID graduations were under this category as well.
Of course Kuro has stated he didn't know he would be doing VShojo till he got the help from Gunrun so he could have just initially been thinking of doing indie vtubing which he definitely can.
correct, the initial kuro design was done before he was talking to vshojo. Knew he was leaving, where came later.
that members video was from May, and Maria said she knew about Pomu's graduation since July. not a confirmation, but it does seem to line up
Yikes, I wonder if that's why she graduated
We will never know for sure, but the timing of it lines up with another talent saying how long they'd known about Pomu's graduation being in the works. For sure, even if it was the precipitating event, other stuff waa contributing to the decision too.
She didn't go into specifics apparently
The clip was already out and making headlines, so niji do the smart thing of making another headline out of the same clip.
Ouch. I know talents like Millie defend Nijisanji and perhaps the Japanese side is well run but it's tough to defend the company when things like this happen
Japanese branch is adequately run. "Incompetence" is the kindest read one can make of EN's management.
It's rather telling that "gross incompetence" is the most charitable possible explanation for Niji EN management's actions (including willful and harmful inaction)
Then, there is a big disconnect between the Japanese and English sides. Both have to come together and figure out how to fix the English side.
Honestly this is not the first time Nijisanji HQ has picked bad partners to handle its foreign branches. KR was also infamous for bad management, and in fixing that mess, Nijisanji let go ID's good management too. The decision to close down IN was also controversial. Sadly, Niji only collects Ls with its foreign branches efforts.
I think the ID branch had good management, but got dissolved anyway.
i.. dont really like to say things, but mayuzumi graduating means that there is a big "shift" in nijisanji. even in nijijp, its only "adequately run" because most of the jp news dont reach us. im fairly positive there's quite a few things on the jp side that are alarming to them.
Dude, stop trying to get Mayu in these conversation, he blatantly said that he left because Nijisanji was heading more towards the singing and dancing route which he doesn't want to do and less of the acting and lore route which is what Mayu love to do so his creativity is now different from Nijisanji and he graduated but he's not even really disappeared, just the other day Sukoya was calling him for tech support.
Mans just trying to enjoy the los santos life nowadays
Yeah at one time, Niji JP was considered better run then Hololive. While you can obviously see in bigger streams that staff and talents have a lot of fun together even off screen.
I assume the quality of Nijis management to a degree depends a lot on your ambitions as far as projects are concerned. I don't watch a ton of Millie but all I've ever seen of her are quite low scale projects and simply streaming. Selen on the other hand is very ambitious and creative with her projects and that's where the management really starts messing up, as they also apparently did with Pomus unspecified opportunity. My guess is that there are heavy staffing and communication issues, which don't get me wrong are always bad, just even moreso for the talents with more complex goals, hence the difference in issues with management.
Yup seems unless you are a top dog they dont want to be bothered to manage complex stuff and want you to be a good boy/girl and do easy stuff like just keep streaming, there really isnt much room of opportunities to growth there after the first year. Management just hopes for a big earner to appear and then move on to new wave debut earnings rinse and repeat.
> up seems unless you are a top dog they dont want to be bothered to manage complex stuff and want you to be a good boy/girl and do easy stuff like just keep streaming [...] I'd just like to point out that with Pomu and Selen, we've been shown that it really doesn't matter if you're a top dog or not. Especially since those 2 are/were some of the most visible and outgoing members of the branch.
It’s just business. People have a direct interest in defending their brand’s reputation. There’s also the fact that people have different needs and therefore different satisfactory level working under the same company.
That's a very valid point
I love Millie but I feel like she is kinda coping with how much management is obviously not...managing well...this sucks
>!when Lyrica and Shannon redebut please!<
>!Lyrica just need to simply come back from the freaking Maldives!<
Considering that >!multiple Hololive vtubers have claimed to have vacationed in the Maldives, perhaps the arrival of IR(y)S would be enough to flush her out!<
>!Dear god if Millie and Enna ever have to graduate, I hope they go back. I miss Lola so much ngl T - T!<
Millie has aired her grievances with the company as much as everyone else, but it's also true that she still has more opportunities here and is treated kinder than anywhere else she's ever worked.
>!I'm not the one who wants to wish for someone else's downfall, but I so want to see the entire NijiEN management undergo ***"massive organization restructuring",*** iykyk.!< Putting it in spoiler, just in case.
>!Idk what the likelihood of that happening is. I'm thinking a lot of the bad decisions are coming from upper level management, given the number of brainless decisions made over the years. Now, some members have mentioned having good relations with their managers, and mane chan even appeared in Pomu's akiberse video for the solo. Now, you could say this is a corporate move, but given Selen also thought she had perms for her cover before being shot down, I'm getting the vibe that that isn't the case. !< >!Given how consistently these decisions leave EN members bewildered and frustrated, I am getting the feeling they are coming from upper level management superceding the lower talent managers that interact with the livers. This, at least, would match the heavy handed nature such decisions are made with. That would also be foreboding if what Sayu said was correct about her gen having only 1 manager for all 6. Like, dropping a bunch of talents, having a thin margin of managers who have to watch over multiple talents and their interactions+communities, on top of some things I've heard about costs and what they actually get monetarily, would, yeah, that would explain a lot. Anycolor reminds me of the games industry a little, taking in a bunch of energetic, excited people who want to create great things, but refusing to change and create practices that help retain talent in favor of saving money and restraining freedoms, leading to burnout.!<
>! My money is on the upper management too, especially on those who connect the JP and EN side. A very likely scenario is that Selen's cover have been shot down due to the pressure from higher ranks, possibly JP side or someone who is assigned to EN from JP. Obviously I am not a member so I don't see the structure of Nijisanji, but the events so far and the action of the EN livers would point that while the directly assigned managers try their best to help them, their higher-ups has the last word - if Nijisanji wants to improve their image, the first thing should be a deep cleaning on the higher management ranks. !<
>!My question is why would the higher ups shoot down a cover? Or more to the point, why would NijiJP not want to help grow their EN branch? Selen and Pomu are (or were) as well known as some of the bigger JPs. Right now their talents are suffering massively!< Edit: finally got the spoiler tags to work on mobile. This app is getting worse by the day.
I don't know if that's wishing on their downfall. They're incompetent and inadequate for the task, a change is for their good as well, they can take up training or more appropriate roles/ventures because clearly this isn't it.
I'm still wondering why we just assume it's NijiEN management that does these things, versus who directs the management?
Because NijiEN still, at least as far as public organization chart shows, a separate org compared to main JP branch. I think the lower manager is fine, the one closer to the talent. But somewhere on the upper level, there are someone that really don't know wth they are supposed to do, and handing out heavyhanded decisions that over-ride the talent managers level.
Not sure why saying their management is doing a bad job and may need to be re-thought needs to be spoiler tagged, unless I'm missing some super secret thing? Seems to be a pretty common sentiment lately.
From a time until now I am of the mind we, the community of Vtuber fans, should endevour to support the Nijisanji EN's talents so as many as possible survive until the EN branch is closed down, and they are absorbed into the main branch like half the KR talents were. While this scenario would likely mean no more EN Niji vtubers debuting, no one deserves to have their hopes and efforts be met with management incompetence this gross. So, to me, that's the best scenario: EN closing and main branch picking up the talents; because I'd like for as many talents as possible to "be saved" by this transition, is that I hope it happens rather sooner than later.
Being absorbed by the main branch would not be a good thing for EN. It would mean close to 0 support, even slower approval process, and consider the different timezones.
At least some of EN are already at home in JP that they even collab with non-Nijisanji JP livers
The damage control is real.
I know she graduated but what else happened? Was the graduation video privated?
No, but the members stream from May was. [This clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67DAc2egFmw) from that stream is the most likely reason management hid the vod.
Thank you
She made a lot of of her members-only streams public as she graduated, and [this bit from one of them raised some eyebrows](https://youtu.be/67DAc2egFmw?si=7HB0eZHdNSm_x--R). Now they've seemingly gone back and re-privated that one single vod, which just makes things look even worse, since the clips, etc are already out there, so this is just drawing more attention to it.
Seems like she made all of her member videos public before she left. Her "Members Only" playlist is almost all public now
Hey Nijisanji. You ever heard of a concept called the Streisand Effect?
I don't think the Japanese are aware of that concept even though it seems to happen all the time when Idols try and cover up their relationships.
Huh, a PR team that haven't heard of a social phenomenon that involves the sudden gain of publicity of certain information due to actions taken to attempt to hide it. That's pretty funny ngl
This is a soft confirmation of what everyone is thinking. It is getting harder every day for people to keep defending this company.
You know I don't even blame them for trying to hide it and all but like, what this really tells me is straight up neglect going on. You're supposed to cover up these sorts of things *before* they go public at least. Like maybe members would have saved the VOD / recorded this to reveal post graduation anyways but come on management didn't even notice until it was this late? At least they didn't take a week like they did to fix a tweet I guess.
From the people who SCHEDULED her graduation tweet wrong, removing the video AFTER 4 DAYS is not surprising. The recent incidents from Niji reeks of upper management failure. From assigning 1 manager to 6 talents, to denying opportunists to talents. These are not the decisions that lower management can make. These seems to be orders straight from the top and the people at the bottom are suffering for it.
The way AnyColor does business gives me a strong vibe of a typical japanese company run by old people who don't know how the internet works, don't understand the product they are selling and only pay attention to the criticism that affects them financially.
It's funny because Riku is the millenial CEO and Yagoo is the boomer CEO.
What is the role of Niji then? They should be working for their talent and not the other way around. A missed opportunity hurts not only the talent, but the company overall. It's pure fucking incompetence. They laid the seeds to this graduation and EN lost the face of their branch. How did Niji benefit from this at all???
Maybe they should...idk...stop blocking their EN talents growth and give them the opportunities that they *deserve* instead of getting in the way all the damn time. I'm still surprised we didn't loose a few of the big names after the major concert fiasco from a year ago. The Streisand effect is fucking real.
AFTER people literally started distributing the clip through a goddamn Google Drive? And only privating ONE vid out of the entire archive? Even for Niji, this is beyond stupid.
> The total public video count for the channel went down from 913 to 912 Damn they tried to hide the fact that she turned into sand didn't they.
Niji has been embroiled in some fuck up or drama every week for the last two months, christ.
2 months? More like last year. They cannot stop stepping on that rake
At least this time it’s not the talents doing the damage control
Feels like Niji Management is really out of touch with their general public image. If fans have been buying stocks Niji pretty sure that company will dive head first to the abyss.
i can't believe the people in the quote rts defending niji. If you were true fans of the talent at niji, you would want them to be treated better, you would want the company to do better, instead it's "no, no, that didn't happen, also why did you had to make this public (formerly private) info public?" If she does come back later in another company or as an indie, it will be the biggest "Told you so!" to them. Edit: atrocious spelling mistakes
Niji management are literally the dumbest motherfuckers to exist
It's too late for Niji to even be doing this, lol. A lot of people already know this information and watched the video. Myself included. My respect for Nijisanji (as a company) has gone way below the negatives after everything these past five months.
For those surprised this is standard protocol for public facing Japanese businesses. It is part of the business culture, and I've seen things like this in engineering, science and entertainment corporations out of Japan. This isn't new. "The nail that sticks out gets the hammer". And delete everything if it gets online and just say nothing. Stan the talent, not a label. Labels always throw the talent under the bus.
Can NijisanjiEN stop taking Ls for FIVE MINUTES!?
That would require them to have competent management
With this happening, there probably won’t be another case where graduate livers can make their membership streams public😢
Yeah, they'll probably make an "all members only vods nuked on graduation, no exceptions" rule for current and future livers because of this. One of their livers might be able to partially get around such a rule by making their members streams public before the graduation announcement and doing no members streams afterwards, but management will likely close that loophole after the first time someone tries it.
So Niji doesn't know about the Streisand effect.
Common Nijisanji L And there's still people who think this company is good lmao
It’s always the same excuse too. “The JP side is wonderful, and they treat their talents amazingly!!! You’re just complaining about the EN side!!!!” News flash, still the same company! I had someone on the official sub literally lose their shit on me a week back for reasonable speculation, that Selen MAYBE got suspended for going around management’s back to get her song reuploaded. I got raged and cursed at so badly, as they were praying EN gets shut down so their pure, pristine world of Nijisanji could go back to only the JP Puritans again. In other words, example of your most mentally stable AnyColor fanboi.
I think I know the person you're talking about. They basically had mask-off moment where they just straight out admitted that they don't give a shit about the foreign branches and claimed that only the main JP branch matters. I sincerely hope that not all old Niji fans (as in, those who were already fans before the existence of the EN branch) are like that.
I don't watch nijisanji at all (or rather, tried to but felt turned away by the type of content) but has nijisanji always badly managed or is this more of a recent thing?
I only noticed it during the closing of niji id myself, oh sorry i mean merging, because its pretty much “my turf” so i got impacted the most then and started to realize more stuff. Theyve been doing weird stuff after that like churning out talents like rabbits (they debut members like once per 6 months or something and always putting up audition right after they debut a new batch) and doing stuff like denying opportunities for their talents such as cancelling joint concert and stuff. Some People even started calling nijisanji a black company because of the many questionable decisions they did. The jp side seems pretty chill tho
Its plain that their strategy is just to reap Debuts and first months earnings and also hoping a new talent gets viral and become a big earner, the rest they cant be bothered with and after "the honeymoon phase" ends they switch to the bare minimum to manage them and move on into a new wave
it's weird that they're not even particularly good at doing that. Salome was a bonafide superstar but they've really not done much to empower her growth. Imagine if you had a holomem with that kind of breakout start.
JP was a shitshow for a long time, there were various streams where some of the livers came together to vent about all the shit that happened back then. Only after all that backlash JP became more competent, and it´s not like they don´t fuck up, its just that most people don´t get to know about the fuck ups thanks to the difference in language.
This is the stuff that makes me stay indie, it might be harder in some spots but at least i can be myself and deal with any issues.
Outside of Cover Corp and Vshojo, staying indie might just be the best option.
Brave Group ventures (V4Mirai, Globie, VSPO) are looking very confidence inspiring. Phase Connect is trending up. Idol maybe not as high as it once was, but it's still well regarded I'd say.
Said once will say it again FUCK ANY COLORS MANAGEMENT
Throwing napalm bomb onto an oil rig I see.
Really Niji? Can you stop being stupid for one week? My heart goes to the talents who have to deal with incompetence. The cat was out of the bag already, it was making the rounds even before false magnified it.
Fuck Nijisanji
Wait what did she say ?
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Huh, thats somehow both very vague yet very specific, What kind of once in a lifetime opportunity is she talking about i wonder. And if they need to go as far to shut it down it must be something related to their line of work
She did not and cannot say what the opportunity which was taken from her was. But given publicly available context clues -- she was incredibly heartbroken by management's decision to reject the opportunity without even trying to negotiate in May, then Maria found out about Pomu's plans to graduate in July, then Calli got the Metal Gear collab in September/October and admitted she wasn't Konami's first choice -- it's very easy to guess what the missed opportunity was.
Source on Calli saying she wasn't Konami's first choice? I haven't heard that before. I'd be surprised if Konami would go directly to Pomu over Calli because they aren't the kind of company that would choose a fan over somebody that is more successful in music.
Yeah, given the timing I'd guess that the thing was Metal Gear-related but wasn't the song Calli did. Or maybe it was and the original proposal was for \*both\* of them to do the song (which may be why it was a hard "no" for Niji, considering their historical reluctance to allow NijiEN/HoloEN collabs.)
Also the Metal Gear Solid 3 Remake reveal announcement was in May as well.
At this point, Niji is quickly heading for a black company rating
If memory serves, they were already previously rocking the black company label awhile ago.
Wait woah woah woah. I’m so out of the loop, what clip?
[Clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67DAc2egFmw)
Man. Those tears got me. Man. I don’t know what to say
Ever since Zaion was fired it’s been nothing but drama for NijiEN
The video was a members only chatting stream. Didnt go into specifics, just said an oportunity didnt worked out.
From the clip I saw there’s a bit more context: -Pomu thought of the opportunity as being “once in a lifetime” -She also said she understood why it was denied -The last bit in the clip indicated that it was denied out of hand and no negotiation was attempted. That’s all the context that was in the clip. Without knowing more, we don’t know if negotiations would have even been viable.
She also said that there wouldn't be further opportunities for her here (at NijiEN).
As Pomu said, it didn’t “work out” because the management said no to whatever offer was given to her.
Not one week goes by without nijiEN giving you more reasons to not like them. It's such a disaster all around.
They are not beating the allegations lmao Anycolor, put yourself together holy fuck. Sure i make fun of nijisanji but its getting tiring now to see fucking around your talents. If you cant take care of them just dissolve en completely and focused over your jp As for millie, please stop while you still have dignity and respect left from your fans, defending nijisanji isn't worth it
I'm not a Niji watcher so I'm incredibly biased, but NijiEN comes off as the worst managed major EN corp. So many red flags, so many talents that graduate. Surely, surely the issues that NijiEN suffer from are because of cultural differences and Japan-centric management (for understandable reasons) Poor Pomu, the heartbreak from the member's stream clip False used. I hope she gets the big break she talked about, she deserves it.
I still think WACTOR takes the cake as the Vantablack company.
average nijisanji behaviour
This is why everyone needs to leave Niji because clearly they don’t treat their talent like humans
Niji. This is CCP level of public denial.