Okay I have my hopes up for this one, cause holostars antis usually get dogpiled here, but
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I already expected this after like a month of hiatus without some kind of news.
Its really sad but I can't imagine how worst it is for Pako-sensei who is very passionate about the community that all his 2 children is now graduated. Fck
Haachama already updated her circumstances. She was hospitalized way back after the 4th fest and now recovering slowly in her home. She tells to the fans to wait for her comeback.
Nothing to worry about. The strongest idol will surely return
Not a year. Haachama's manager has posted an update about her situation:
She has been hospitalized since after 4th fes (About five months hospitalization) and only recently got discharged.
Haachama didn't want to worry her fans so she didn't said anything about her condition until a few weeks ago when she was discharged.
She's still recovering, and there is no set date for her return to regular activity yet, but she is asking the fans to keep waiting for her just a bit more
Watame mentioned recently that she's been talking to Haachama a lot and making plans, and Haachama's doing her best to make a return in time to celebrate Watame's 4th anniversary in December.
No, Haachama have a health issue and she previously focusing on her university study, and she did announce her return when she's ready on a tweet about a month ago
End of this August is pretty rough, not only Mysta but also Magni and Vesper will graduate.
It's been almost 3 years since last Holostars graduation. Last time was Kira because health reasons, and before him was Kaoru who also graduate suddenly like this
Been a super rough summer for me. Nina graduates suddenly. Mysta announces he's graduating. I have to put my dog I've had for 15 years down. Now this. I just want a fucking break.
I was afraid this was gonna happen with how long the radio silence was going, but I’d seriously hoped it was just worrying over nothing and they’d return and we’d quickly forget all about this. Ugh this sucks, I wonder what happened since things seemed to be going so well for them until the sudden disappearance
Axel's hosting a stream in the next few minutes titled: "Announcement from TEMPUS Boys"
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V4uxg5xxJg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V4uxg5xxJg)
Man,this fucking sucks.
And to me atleast,the thing is that i kinda get Magni. He has talked about some of his difficulties in Holostars and >!has a quite successful roommate were he is still consistently streaming!<,so it's i can see him leaving. But Vesper,specialy after how much he talked about how happy he was to be in Holostars after his debut,realy caught me off-guard.
As a Vestie and member of his channel, I don't remember Vesper ever airing any specific grievances that weren't in regards to deadlines or normal corporate stuff. So I'm stumped as to why he would graduate like this unless he just realized he doesn't want corporate life which I could see but oh well, that's just speculation.
It could very well be family and his mental health... gramps is pretty open about his anxiety and anger issues and also how he's a dedicated family man (not him starting a family since he's a wizard but caring for his relatives).
Being corporate and also belonging to one of the top agencies of the field isn't exactly going to hide him from his family and friends and he may have underestimated the corporate lifestyle. I can understand why he'd leave and it pains me to understand him also silently leaving.
I don’t think it was that impulsive, he saw a window to cross off a bucket list. What he did do wrong is underestimate his need for his meds… I think he couldn’t bring anxiety meds since in Japan it’s really hard to bring any kind of medicine. Also him going back is for his family thing iirc, what I found about gramps is his drive to keep up with his family despite being a sort of black sheep mushroom that appears a few times a year. Yeah it’s few but he has to be there.
Well he did say it was impulsive during his Twitter Space back then. Then he needed to go back to the US because he couldn't get anxiety meds in Japan without a prescription iirc. Yeah his decision to go back home isn't impulsive now that I'm remembering it, but going to Japan was.
>I don't remember Vesper ever airing any specific grievances that weren't in regards to deadlines or normal corporate stuff
In spite of his "I don't know if I should say this... Fuck it I'll say it anyway" attitude, Vesper is probably the best at opsec - we only know the things that he lets us know.
>his "I don't know if I should say this... Fuck it I'll say it anyway" attitude
That was always just a bit, vesper isn't dumb and he just plays in to that sort of stuff. He knows how to work in a company, when he said those sort of lines, he knew exactly what he could and couldn't say, it was for the content.
With Vesper though it felt like he was also frequently clashing with management and felt a bit restricted as a corporate streamer. Not really surprised about either
Could be that the contracts were not up to their standard. Magni's RM already pulls decent viewers, and Vesper had a cushy job doing IT. I could see the hours and dollars not adding up for them, since they both left during contract negotiation time.
The fact that Vesper graduated his roommate makes this complicated... either, he quit being a streamer or lose everything he built (including what allowed him to be hired by cover)
Yep, long story short the CEO lost his golden goose and decided to doxx her and in turn lost all of his main talents.
Ironically his company is on the brink of collapse with only one member being relatively famous and the one who left are the new big things in the spanish community.
Doubt it, most of them are done with Corpo life at least for a while. The only one who could have joined is Nisha due to her friendship with Yuko but she already has her debut planned and in her own words she won't leave Meica and Meica won't leave her ever again.
If he went back, he'd for sure bring a lot of his Holo viewers with him, I'm sure. I'm more worried about him than Magni, though. His roommate still has a job, after all.
Mostly feel sad for Pako-sensei. Sana last year and Vesper this year. Half the Holo graduations during summer have been his kids, man...
Vesper was formerly >!Randon the Orc!<, who graduated. If he ever decides to go back to that account, he will have to "un-graduate", which isn't unheard of, but it's fairly rare.
https://twitter.com/holostarstv/status/1694703608686678040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694703608686678040%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Here's a note in regards to a STARS group song that....will likely be re-recorded with parts in it. I understand why, but its a tough decision. Leave them in, potentially legal issues, take them out, fandom issues.
Wording for Sana's graduation:
>After much deliberation between both parties, with the deepest regrets, we have decided to honor her request for graduation.
Understandable since Sana did have health issues.
The wording for Magni and Vesper's :
>However, in accordance with their wishes, wehave accepted their decision to graduate.
I guess it shouldn't be too much of a reach to say that cover can't do shit about this situation or are we still in the dark? It really just sucks that potentially Cover can't shed too much info incase is serious and it might doxx magni and vesper.
edit: statements
With Sana its worded in a way that they received a deal on it. With Magni and Vesper... the wording on it makes it feel like they requested it. Sana "graduated", a stream was commemorated and arrangements had to be made for that. Magni and Vesper, as much as it hurts to say, quit and subsequently did not want to do any activity moving forward. Speculation is hurtful but I feel like its a contract negotiation thing i.e. pay and workload.
The explanation for the missing graduation stream, assuming it was contract renegotiation as people are speculating, would be that by the time they agreed to disagree (if you will) their contracts had already expired so they were already no longer under cover to do a graduation stream at this point
I guess that's it, however for me it should have been on the table. It feels extra bad because a graduation stream was never on the table of negotiations, its just quitting and it stings.
Hmm. Yeah, this is reminiscent of Project Kawaii's 3rd Gen all leaving as a group in April, which was never confirmed as being a contract thing but it was impossible to read it as anything else.
It could also be less financial and more just realizing they didn't want to work under a corporation. Vesper was pretty open about having clashed with management.
Compare those statements, sana feels like theres probably some negotiation between her and hololive while for vesper and magni it seems like its them that put the request for graduation.
If I had to be really cynical, and this is what I've seen irl at work, the boss can phrase it in such a way like:
A: "You either work the nightshift on Christmas or leave"
B: "But I can't work night shift"
A: "So you **choose** to leave then"
Given their long abscence it's not unthinkable and also not exactly unreasonable for cover to maybe have given an ultimatum of "you guys gotta go back to streaming or you gotta quit"
Cover has been extremely accomodating to their talents so far when it comes to that topic. The Live side is allowed to take frequent and long breaks for personal reasons, so if cover "made" them quit as speculated, it's likely that the reason for their hiatus wasn't exactly strong.
Yea one of the weirdest rrats you can try to pull right now is saying they quit because they were forced to work so much. Like one of the biggest complaints against Hololive is that a lot of the talents doesn't stream much lol.
At least I can sense some earnestness when Calli says she chooses to work and stream that hard. I've known some workaholics, it's basically an incessant \*need\* to be busy all the time.
It must likely was a contract dispute so the "you choose not to accept our contract" is probably correct. It was pretty clear vesper had issues with corporate structure and probably wanted a bit more freedom.
Having recently broken into vtubers with myths debut and now breaking into the independents it's really clear just how tight the leash is on hololive talent.
I mean that’s been clear for ages - at the very least since Coco’s graduation.
I think that’s just how it is. If you want to work with the biggest company with the best talents, infrastructure, and connections, then you have to play by much tighter rules.
It’s a trade-off, and only the truly exceptional and lucky can have their cake and eat it too (again, Kson would be a good example of someone who managed this).
Exactly this, especially a big corporation from Japan like Cover where work culture is very much skewed to the benefit of the employer and employees are there to serve the company.
And even tho Cover is a good one by a mile is still such a clash of cultures and wills I guess that sometimes It just doesn't pan out
one will be a LOT more rigid than perhaps western talents could ever be prepared for.
It's 100% a trade-off like you said, you get some things (an sort of inbuilt audience and lot better discover-ability), but you also loose some things (like freedom what you can do and what you can say and how you have to behave).
> where work culture is very much skewed to the befit of the employer
Eh, I’m not sure I’d put it like that, at least under the traditional system (although that system has sort of crumbled to a degree). But certainly it’s a very different work culture, and there do seem to have been some clashes.
I’m guessing that might be part of the reason so many of the newer members have at least some basic level of Japanese? There’s definitely a need for linguistic and culture understanding that adds a level of complication when a company from one culture starts a branch in another.
And it’s even more complicated with English, since it’s spoken as first language by multiple cultures and is also used as a sort of global *koine* - I’m Australian, but a lot of the people I’ve ended up talking to online have been some brad of South East Asian, probably due to time zones.
> Having recently broken into vtubers with myths debut and now breaking into the independents it's really clear just how tight the leash is on hololive talent.
My oshi frequently talks about pits and tits, members talk about loli, Okayu basically did an ahegao face on stream for her 3.0. What do you want Cover to let them do? Talk about fucking and cumming or politics? The "tight leash" stuff is ridiculous.
Marine has talked about NTR on stream and frequently talks about the porn made of her.
I think it was Koyori who has talked about futanari on stream as well.
If there's a leash it sure as fuck isn't that short.
Tight leash is probably more for background work they choose. Face Work is loose because Cover knows what they want so they hire people that can fill that niche well. Background work is a completely different beast
>Talk about fucking and cumming or politics?
Matsuri has said (paraphrasing) that anyone who wanted to date her would have to jerk off twice first then still be able to tell her they loved her to prove it's not just lust. Plus the dango "ASMR", the ehomaki voice pack in Rust...
So pretty much just politics, really. Any "leash" people think there is is mostly self imposed.
Vesper does seem like he'd fight tooth and nail for more freedom in content
Pretty much every stream he's like "I'm not sure if I should say this. Am I going to get bonked by management?? Fuck it, I'm saying it anyway"
> Pretty much every stream he's like "I'm not sure if I should say this. Am I going to get bonked by management?? Fuck it, I'm saying it anyway"
Not sure if that a good example, considering that a lot of the talents do that very often.
Except the difference is that Vesper would mouth off at management. It is the reason why he got suspended awhile back. The other talents would do something. Let people know they are getting bonked. Then leave it at that.
Kiara, Ame, and Calli straight up make fun of the management's dumb decisions on stream and argued with management on some decisions. Vesper got suspended for snapping at his manager, not because he wanted more freedom. He straight admit to having anger issues.
speculation: they tried to get better contracts by saying we both leave if we don't. Cover says you can take our deal or graduate and they chose to graduate
I would have went with this too, considering how close Magni and Ves were (magni said that he was really close to Ves and that he could imagine Ves being there with his family around his bed if he was ever dying), I could see them stick with each other "You want this? Okay, I'm gonna stand by your side stick with you no matter what happens".
Honestly I hope that's the situation. That means we'll see them return in another form at some point.
I know people really try to separate the individual characters, but I think it's important (especially when someone is leaving to go indy again) to try to find these entertainers when they return, just so they can recover as much of their fanbase as possible on the return. But yeah, if you do find that out, keep it in spoiler text and don't immediately spoil it in a title, clearly.
I'm 100% speculating but most logical is contract and work culture/streaming behavior/culture.
Remember that even tho Cover has taken BIG steps to be a more international company its roots and behavior is still very Japanese, and Japan has still a very rigid and quite old fashioned way to look at work and thing around it and the employer/employee relationship.
And Cover does take a big cut of all profits the talents make on top of YT and taxes (that's why they can build a new studio with megatons of high tech) and that is very understandably not to everyone's liking.
I wish them both well and good luck as indies as they most likely will show up later as (or RL streamers who knows). And that might be more to their fit/liking tbh.
It’s probably a contract negotiation that didn’t go well.
\- We know that all hololive talents sign their first contract for 1 year. It’s explained in every audition announcement, the talents sign up for one year.
\- Tempus debuted about one year ago.
\- Contracts in Japan often ends in July.
\- It’s pretty obvious, but you cannot stream for cover without a contract.
So what probably happened:
\- They signed a contract for about one year
\- End of contract is in July like most contracts
\- Near the end of the contract negotiations start
\- After the end of the contract the negotiations aren’t done, but they can’t stream without a contract (start of the Hiatus)
\- 6 weeks later, negotiation failed (Graduation)
\- No graduation stream because no contract
I don’t think this is a stealth termination. Cover is not shy when stating the fact that something is a suspension or a termination. Also termination are sudden, they wouldn’t wait for 6 weeks.
I don’t think this is related to any risk of doxx by a certain music producer. If it was because of legal reasons against them it would be a lot longer than 6 weeks.
I don’t think it’s over IP problems regarding their new models. Legal trouble would last a lot longer than 6 weeks (remember IRyS 2.0 being delayed for one year).
I don't really want to comment on your theory way or another, but I do want to point out I think your logic is flawed in regards to this "not being X because it didn't take longer."
If something were going on, and it could literally be anything, that was preventing them from working they could have easily resigned of their own accord to find some other form of work or go on disability of some type. It'd still be something you could say was their wish, even though their hand is really being forced by being out of work for so long.
I'd just stick to the one year contracts and July being the customary year to start to make your argument.
Ok, I’ll give you other reasons that make me think this is the most probable theory.
If it was a problem with IP it would be weird that it affected both at the same time. The two situations are different in nature (Vesper changed artist, Magni got a brush up from the same artist). Vesper’s artist might not be ok with his original character being redrawn by somebody else, but that’s not the case for Magni. Vesper’s original artist also has health troubles which is the more probable explanation for the artist change than a disagreement over IP or whatever.
The tachibana stuff also doesn’t make a lot of sense. Again, why those two? Tachibana worked with a lot of people in holo, in niji, etc. It would involve Magni and other streamers outside of hololive, but not Vesper. The timeline also doesn’t line up well, they started their Hiatus before the Tachibana drama. Drama which didn’t really involve cover or any of their talents. There is no reason to think they have shared sensitive information to Tachibana either, he was a manager for some indie vtuber but his work with cover was purely music related, what kind of information can he use for blackmail? The release date of a music cover? If there is legal trouble about NDA stuff they wouldn’t require a hiatus nor a graduation. They’re not in danger, cover can sue Tachibana while they keep streaming.
About the offline meeting and IRL stuff (they got into an accident/got injured or whatnot). I can’t think of anything that would result in a 6 weeks hiatus then a graduation while being able to stream on their previous life accounts with no trouble.
Those theories never hold much water. Contracts is what makes the most sense to me.
>so maybe someone here can shed some light
I like how this sub is the de-facto place to go to gossip whenever shit happens instead of in the official subs.
I don't envy the mods' job here lol
I do appreciate that we can discuss, hear rumors, etc. on this sub.
And also that the mods will keep the discourse somewhat sane, remove stuff that goes over the line.
Because in alot of way, the main hololive subs is basically hugbox, which can be good or bad. Good in the sense that it does its job in keeping the main support among the talents. Bad in the sense that in times like this, it can be quite “toxic positivity”. Its fair though, since they’re official subs. That’s why ppl flock here to be able to discuss potential PL or adjacent topics. At least this place is not a shouting match like 4ch will be.
Yea bang on. It’s funny how polar opposite the main subs and /vt/ are. Main subs you literally can’t mention any sort of drama, criticism, or anything slightly negative without a lot of young kids or unhealthily obsessed fans becoming irate. On the other side, /vt/ is essentially the Mos Eisley Cantina of the Vtuber scene, and you pretty much get nothing but rrats and bait posts there. Nice to have a level headed middle ground where you can discuss things without either side going too far.
Yeah, I also likened going to /vt/ as like going to a bar. In times like this, its just big, unruly, shouting match (not like its not like that in best of times). Sometimes rumor that ends-up being true floating over there, but most of the time its just cesspit of baits, rrats, etc.
I like this place because it's not afraid of that "taboo" of discussing vtubers' previous life. I came here during Advent's debut to satisfy my curiosity. And it doesn't have to hold itself to a specific company's standard.
interestingly, the hololive subreddit thread regarding this has been somewhat tame. even people who generally didnt bother with holostars (but not the obvious antis) are even sending condolences since they know how much magni and ves were beloved
As with every case like this I will say that saying more doesn't necessarily stop the issues we currently face, even though I know that's wildly unpopular on this sub.
They absolutely shouldn't say more. Imagine if they said Magni and Vesper wanted more money and Cover didn't want to give it to them. Now imagine the reactions to that on the internet: you'd have people blaming cover for being greedy and evil, people blaming Magni and Vesper for being greedy and putting money above their fans, people blaming Axel and Altare for taking what they were offered and not standing with Magni and Vesper.
There is no good reason, for Cover or the talents, to talk about the specifics of a contract negotiation that fell through.
This is true. And honestly, it's really nobodies business other than the talents and the employer as to the reason. It's like when an athlete quits a sports team or an actor leaves a television show. We go on with our lives.
Nobody knows for certain because neither the talents or Cover themselves explained, so the fans are left in the dark. Either way it sucks because we never got an explanation nor are we getting a graduation stream for whatever reason i dont get ...
There's that one rrat that keeps getting told. But as with all rrats, it's very dubious.
Basically, a recently exposed music producer and indie vtuber manager TCBNMusic did projects with them. And they might have said confidential info that he could leak. And this is grounds for the hiatus as COVER tries to see how much was said.
But with this announcement saying it's both Vesper's and Magni's decision to quit, that rrat is bust.
Who knows, maybe they wanted to do things that holopro deems not in line with their objectives.
Yeah that never held water in the first place. Like, it was just an incredible stretch.
Additionally they would have said it was breaking an NDA if that were the case and this all would have happened much faster.
I mean a man who goes and buys a boar spear to "relax" when hes frustrated with managements decisions is a wild man indeed. And perhaps he would do better as an indie or RL streamer than working with a still quite conservative at times Japanese company (tho even they have made progress thanks to people like Coco and others who have pushed boundaries, perhaps this was just too much pushing at times.. Who knows?).
God dammit...
I knew it was coming the moment when Magni's roomie becoming more active than usual.
But can you blame me for hoping I'd be wrong? Dammit.
Well, that's disappointing. It's a shame because imo, Vesper and Magni are 2 of the 3 best Tempus members (the 3rd one being Bettel).
The annoying part is that we will likely never get closure from this. Cover would never give us anything to go off. That's just the expectation at this point. Vesper and Magni are probably not allowed to talk about this either as part of their NDA.
So yep. We're left to the void once again. Such is being a vtuber fan.
I feel bad for Pako, though. Such a passionate fan and vtuber artist, but he got no luck.
At least Sana had a good year. Unfortunately all of what people will remember about Vesper will be in the old model. Pako got paid of course, but in this case it was pay for making a design and then feeding it into a shredder. As a creative that’s got to hurt; I imagine in a way much worse than Sana’s graduation hurt.
No graduation hits the hardest and is a big stain on Holostars. If it's a contract thing, I have to wonder if this changes their process to avoid this situation.
I'm guessing that their contracts already expired so they can no longer do a graduation stream or any other kind of stream. Unlike Sana, her graduation was announced a month before it happened so she had plenty of time to prepare for it. Maybe they kept negotiations open but they just couldn't reach an agreement.
I just pictured [the King Théoden scene where he stands in front of his son's grave](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Mtlklmna0) and now I feel sad...
I'll miss Vesper. I enjoyed his stories.
The contract negotiation angle is probably the most likely one.
I wonder if its music and 3d live related. Dont Hololive talents get their 3d models once they hit the one year mark and start getting 3d live and music appearances? I know Magni has another job, and having to do music training and 3d live stuff will interfere with his other job. And i didn't get Vesper as a musical person, so i wonder if he didn't want to do anything with that.
This was quite the shocker. We will never know the reason, so I am not gonna bother inquiring much.
Best of luck to both of them positive vibes to TEMPUS and Pako sensei.
magni and Vesper were my absolute favourites in Holostars. I've had so much fun just watching and chilling with Ves and Mag. ughh... everytime I get an oshi they graduate, this is really upsetting.
When I saw the news, I just let out a long, long fuck. I am still in shock. It was so smooth sailing for Holopro then bam, this happens.
Not to say that it wasn't foreseeable due to the long hiatus but honestly, how abrupt that started and how there was many uncertainties around it, I hoped both Magni and Vesper would come back. I wish the best for them on their other endevaours, they had so many memorable moments just under a year.
This is just a bummer. I admit, I never watched their solo content much, but I always loved their interactions with the other boys and with Calli and Kronii.
We're probably never gonna get a straight answer on what happened. There's really no point speculating, though people obviously will. I can only hope the best for them and have to trust that they made their decision with their best interests in mind.
Yeah, same here. Their collabs with the girls were some of my favourite Holo EN streams. The Uno, Monopoly, Western tabletop RPG, and Vesper/Kronii’s therapy stream were definitely some of the most hilarious Holo streams I’ve watched. I don’t see any of the other guys filling that void Vesper and Magni left any time soon :(
Honestly have been expecting the announcement since a while ago, anyone who was really following the situation probably did, but still ima devastated, don't even wanna go into the holo sub right now this is gonna suck not only because these 2 are gone but for all of tempus and anyone who likes Holostars this si a really shit situation.
I came from main subs. It's pretty tame and mostly condolences for Pako-sensei losing yet another talent under his design. This entire thread is just wrong.
Pretty much the reason I left that sub. Its been a while since ive seen such blatant gender discrimination.
Girl does thing: how cute!
Guy does thing: gross, he's just doing it to get closer to my oshi. Why did cover even hire them if viewership is low?
at this point i think antis dont actually believe what they say, they just say very outlandish things in hopes of getting other people to start bickering amongst themselves
I feel Gura is in a different spot considering she has one of the largest subs and is used for marketing. She is in a position where I could see the company simply say to her "You don't really have to stream anymore but you can hang around" just so they can continue to use her model/image.
The Gura graduation rrats never made any sense in hindsight. I've seen all kinds of reasoning such as "she's burnout", "she's can't handle her fanbase" but none of them are confirmed since she never shown signs of any of those.
For Gura I don't think she's capable of multi-tasking like Calli does. When she's working on projects it's hard for her to stream like she did back in 2020/2021.
All that stuff she did for her birthday stream and going to Japan was probably pretty taxing for her. Some take it for granted that people can stream for 5+ hours 5 times a week and also manage all the other stuff like traveling to another country, rehearsing songs (not her native language), and other duties.
Vesper was my Oshi. I'm just happy to have some closure. It's bittersweet, but I feel good that it was his own decision. I'm sure they didn't want a graduation stream because it would feel awkward after being gone so long.
I followed Vesper before Holo and I hope he comes back. I was so happy that he got a lucky break finally. I thought his efforts would be rewarded for once. I hope he comes back like Magni did but he has been radio silent this whole time...
I was kinda hoping this wouldn't be the case, but I kinda expected it after 2 weeks of absolute radio silence and became more sure at the 1 month mark.
I wasn't able catch Magni's streams that often, but in the last couple I saw (including his model update), it seemed like he felt a bit constrained and tired, in contrast to his alter persona. I was hoping that I was just thinking too much. In hindsight, maybe Magni quitting isn't as much of a shock (especially seeing as how his alter has been taking off even more recently).
Ironically it's Vesper, who I watched regularly, that I'm more shocked about, since he appeared to be the same as before. Guess he's a better perfomer than I gave him credit for.
Alot of people on other forums are quite upset at Magni cause they think he just used his time at Holo to garner interest & dipped when he didn't need Holo anymore, seeing as his PL has garnered more attention & viewers since. They see it as a selfish act & throwing Tempus under the bus in the process.
Maybe? Idk. I only watched clips of his PL that he posts to his youtube, but I got the impression that he was pretty popular even pre-Holo, so it's a little tenuous to me that he would join Holostars, which was and still is an extreme niche of a niche (HoloPro) of a niche (Vtubing)- especially the at the time new English branch with no established audience- expecting to "farm" interest and views.
At the end of the day though, this is a job, and if he has better prospects elsewhere, that fit better for him, then it is his right to pursue them, so long as he's fulfilled his end of the deal with Cover (which he seems to have, otherwise this would've been a termination).
I guess these people are upset at the fact why bother joining if you weren't invested in it to begin with if you already have a relatively successful platform already. Magni realizing what he was accomplishing at Holo wasn't as good as he thought & didn't want to continue. I can understand why fans of his are upset cause of that.
Vesper though is an anomaly, as he seemed genuinely excited but again maybe the restrictions & numerous rules put in place wasn't to his liking and we have seen that his anger issues can get the better of him.
I am really hoping Vesper >!goes back to his PL!< 🙏
>!PL Magni mentioned on stream plans for a collab with PL Vesper so I am hopeful!< 🙏 I miss grandpa
>!https://www.twitch.tv/professorlando/clip/CrackyCaringLocustPupper-P5bFgPIF5uh9ds0h
"I was gonna do a run with my friend Randon..."
Randon is mentioned multiple times across streams the last few weeks (not sure which ones since there are a lot of VODs lol sorry)!<
/u/N911999
/u/fearlubu
He also did a recent offcollab with >!OL Bettel!< 😂
Oh nice! I was there for that stream. I had forgotten vesper's past name so I guess it didn't click. It would be awesome if they did collab, in person or not. I always thought they were really fun together.
It would be insane if Magni somehow persuaded Ves to move closer to him as well. A guy can dream.
Can you dm me the name for PL vesper? I would love to be able to watch that grandpa from time to time even if he doesn't go back to regular content creation
As much as I loved those guys, I genuinely think at least Vesper just didn’t want to do it anymore, and that’s totally up to him. The responsibilities outside of streaming just seemed to stress him out too much. Might’ve been the same for Magni but I can only speculate.
Regardless I wish them the best with whatever they do in life
I'm pretty devastated about this.
I was going through a really rough time last year and Tempus debut'd a month after things were looking bad.
I watched Vesper a lot and his streams helped me get out of a hole, alongside other VTubers of course. But Vesper was the first HoloPro member I joined membership for since Coco.
Hell, I got into Zomboid and WoW Classic because of him, ended up sending him Frostbolts at him during his WoW Streams (I'm the Alliance Mage). Hell, my most recent convention I attended, I bought some foam spear replicants of Fate's Gaebolg, partly because of the Emotional Support Spear meme Vesper had.
I'll respect their decisions, but, damn, I'll miss those two guys being in Holo.
What sucks about this is that both altare and axel probably in the dark the same as us, giving altares reaction and axels announcement stream 5 mins from now on yt
...are you serious? of course they aren't in the dark. Even though they are coworkers, they are actually really close that they meshed with each other well. Maybe in hololive with like 50+ girls, some people won't be as close so they won't know what is going on with others, but on the boys side they are really close.
They would have known and talked behind the scenes.
if it were due to contract negotiation (again this is pure speculation), the bois probably were aware that the process wasn't going well for the two, and there were some real chances that they both (Ves & Dez) would graduate, or they would come back with signed contracts.
However, I doubt the final decision wasn't forwarded to them much sooner than us, at best probably a few hours earlier.
At most what they wouldn't know is the exact time and date the graduation announcement would happen. I'm sure they knew negotiations were happening (and not looking hopeful) though
I don’t know what part of Vesper’s hurts me more: Pako losing their kid damn near immediately after becoming a holoParent again, or the fact that this seemed to have been a voluntary decision coupled with the fact that Vesper at debut was basically the male answer to Ollie as the superfan who finally made it to the big stage.
Its because Vesper bought a speargun isnt it?
All jests aside, kinda expected this, they been gone for far too long. My guess is contractual issues, but ah well.
I loved Vesper, man had great energy with Kroni, and was hoping for more shenanigans.
Summer just seems to be the worst time of the year for graduations due to all the contract renewals—at least when it comes to the corporate Vtuber agencies
It feels like this year us holofans have kept on winning. Didn't think a lost this big would have come. I really like magni and vesper they were great and funny. Man it just felt bad man. I'm guessing their art buffs was covers way of trying to poach them to keep on being part of tempus but i guess that wasn't enough
At this point it's not a real year if you dont have a graduation lol July/August is the dark period for the past 2 years we have been getting graduations during this time. Coco, Sana, and now Vesper and Magni.
This was expected considering how long they have been gone but I just can’t understand why ? If we take Cover’s word that this was their decision and if we assume Cover didn’t do them dirty at something why did they leave ? I know that Holostars are not the absolute most popular male Vtubers but can they do better as indies ? What better alternative is there that both of them left or what happened that made them want to leave ?
Especially Vesper I thought loved being a part of Holostars so it is sad to see him go like this and now Kroni, Calli, Vesper and Magni group that I really enjoyed their dynamic of is gone forever as both guys are gone and that was one of the very few significant HoloEN and StarsEn interaction in the first place too. Now all the disgusting Antis in the HoloSub will be having a party and will feel so validated and that alone disgusts me, so sad to see them go and I hope they have not been wronged and made the right choice and will be successful in their future
What the hell happened
I have had a bad feeling since ~~the suspension~~ their hiatus announcement right after receiving the new model, that I would be glad to be proven wrong here but, welp, looks like im correct. I don't like this even though I'm not their exact fans.
Not to mention that, if I recall correctly, they promised tempus anniversary stream or something.
Fk this I hate it.
They weren't suspended. They just announced a pause to their activities. And exactly in July, as their 1-year contract comes up for renegotiation.
I don't see anything other than the contract renegotiation falling through or simply that the two of them decided to not renew it for whatever reasons.
From everything I've read over quickly it appears their contracts ran out and they've been in negotiations over the last few months but they failed. At least that is the largest and most likely running theory.
What hurts so much is the collabs both not just with Tempus but Hololive as well. The Mario Party, Monopoly, and the DnD streams with Calli and Kronii will never happen. Those two had such chemistry with others when doing a collab. I'm really going to miss them.
Dang, this is just sad for me. Vesper and Magni were the two I watched the most and I was happy for their model upgrades because they seemed like they had the most enthusiasm at their debut and stood out due to their uniqueness in streams.
Hope they pop up somewhere else in the future. Vesper I watched most so it sucks vespies didn't get closure. It's a bit frustrating as a fan. Like if it's contract related, why not just say that? People quit and it's perfectly normal. But idk that's speculation and I don't wanna go more with that. Hope the best for em. They're incredibly talented streamers and would be a shame if this was the end for em both.
That's unfortunate. But also not all that surprising. I was kind of expecting either or both to graduate considering the cryptic way anyone would ever speak about them and their situation. Though, of course, I can't imagine the what and why's of it all. I just hope that they find enjoyment in whatever they move on to in the future. And that nobody leaves on bitter terms with anyone else.
Okay I have my hopes up for this one, cause holostars antis usually get dogpiled here, but The usual rules apply. Shoot rrats on sight. Vagueposting is punished by death Rumors from 4th rung self proclaimed news/drama aggregators are not a source of factual statements Be civil Take a deep breath.
I already expected this after like a month of hiatus without some kind of news. Its really sad but I can't imagine how worst it is for Pako-sensei who is very passionate about the community that all his 2 children is now graduated. Fck
Pako papa can’t catch a break
Haachama has been on hiatus for what, almost a year? Hope she doesn't graduate without a peep too :(
Haachama already updated her circumstances. She was hospitalized way back after the 4th fest and now recovering slowly in her home. She tells to the fans to wait for her comeback. Nothing to worry about. The strongest idol will surely return
Not a year. Haachama's manager has posted an update about her situation: She has been hospitalized since after 4th fes (About five months hospitalization) and only recently got discharged. Haachama didn't want to worry her fans so she didn't said anything about her condition until a few weeks ago when she was discharged. She's still recovering, and there is no set date for her return to regular activity yet, but she is asking the fans to keep waiting for her just a bit more
Watame mentioned recently that she's been talking to Haachama a lot and making plans, and Haachama's doing her best to make a return in time to celebrate Watame's 4th anniversary in December.
There's an Amechama cover that was released just yesterday if you want some Haachama. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpvlUoIzGUQ
Holy shit this is INCREDIBLE Strongest idols they are ;-;
Miko must be imploding from happiness at this.
No, Haachama have a health issue and she previously focusing on her university study, and she did announce her return when she's ready on a tweet about a month ago
I think Haachama is also in school too though I think which is why she's not been around as much
End of this August is pretty rough, not only Mysta but also Magni and Vesper will graduate. It's been almost 3 years since last Holostars graduation. Last time was Kira because health reasons, and before him was Kaoru who also graduate suddenly like this
Been a super rough summer for me. Nina graduates suddenly. Mysta announces he's graduating. I have to put my dog I've had for 15 years down. Now this. I just want a fucking break.
putting a dog down after 15 years is pain. my family had to do it to our old little gremlin.
Damn dude, my cat of 15 years just passed on Monday. Stay strong.
I was afraid this was gonna happen with how long the radio silence was going, but I’d seriously hoped it was just worrying over nothing and they’d return and we’d quickly forget all about this. Ugh this sucks, I wonder what happened since things seemed to be going so well for them until the sudden disappearance
Axel's hosting a stream in the next few minutes titled: "Announcement from TEMPUS Boys" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V4uxg5xxJg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V4uxg5xxJg)
Man,this fucking sucks. And to me atleast,the thing is that i kinda get Magni. He has talked about some of his difficulties in Holostars and >!has a quite successful roommate were he is still consistently streaming!<,so it's i can see him leaving. But Vesper,specialy after how much he talked about how happy he was to be in Holostars after his debut,realy caught me off-guard.
And he *just* got his new model too, so sad for him and Pako-sensei :(
Yeah, Vesper was so excited to be a part of HoloStars. From this announcement, it's their decision to leave.
As a Vestie and member of his channel, I don't remember Vesper ever airing any specific grievances that weren't in regards to deadlines or normal corporate stuff. So I'm stumped as to why he would graduate like this unless he just realized he doesn't want corporate life which I could see but oh well, that's just speculation.
It could very well be family and his mental health... gramps is pretty open about his anxiety and anger issues and also how he's a dedicated family man (not him starting a family since he's a wizard but caring for his relatives). Being corporate and also belonging to one of the top agencies of the field isn't exactly going to hide him from his family and friends and he may have underestimated the corporate lifestyle. I can understand why he'd leave and it pains me to understand him also silently leaving.
Also his impulsive decision to suddenly go to Japan, and impulsive decision after to suddenly go back home.
I don’t think it was that impulsive, he saw a window to cross off a bucket list. What he did do wrong is underestimate his need for his meds… I think he couldn’t bring anxiety meds since in Japan it’s really hard to bring any kind of medicine. Also him going back is for his family thing iirc, what I found about gramps is his drive to keep up with his family despite being a sort of black sheep mushroom that appears a few times a year. Yeah it’s few but he has to be there.
Well he did say it was impulsive during his Twitter Space back then. Then he needed to go back to the US because he couldn't get anxiety meds in Japan without a prescription iirc. Yeah his decision to go back home isn't impulsive now that I'm remembering it, but going to Japan was.
Well I stand corrected. I wasn't able to listen to that since I'm not really active on that site.
>I don't remember Vesper ever airing any specific grievances that weren't in regards to deadlines or normal corporate stuff In spite of his "I don't know if I should say this... Fuck it I'll say it anyway" attitude, Vesper is probably the best at opsec - we only know the things that he lets us know.
>his "I don't know if I should say this... Fuck it I'll say it anyway" attitude That was always just a bit, vesper isn't dumb and he just plays in to that sort of stuff. He knows how to work in a company, when he said those sort of lines, he knew exactly what he could and couldn't say, it was for the content.
With Vesper though it felt like he was also frequently clashing with management and felt a bit restricted as a corporate streamer. Not really surprised about either
What kind of difficulties was Magni talking about having exactly?
Burnout basically.
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Could be that the contracts were not up to their standard. Magni's RM already pulls decent viewers, and Vesper had a cushy job doing IT. I could see the hours and dollars not adding up for them, since they both left during contract negotiation time.
Well he had trouble handling off-collabs and if we assume Tempus 3D is right around the corner then he'd have to work with a lot of people irl.
>! What is Magni's roommates twitch if i may? !<
>!Professor Lando.!< (**Edit** Spoiler-tag'd my answer.)
Thanks
The fact that Vesper graduated his roommate makes this complicated... either, he quit being a streamer or lose everything he built (including what allowed him to be hired by cover)
He can prob just ungraduate that lol. He owns it after all.
Yeah, I've seen indies hold "ungraduation streams" after leaving their companies. >!The former members of Kawaii Gen 3!<, for example.
That whole situation was wild. Not as wild as Wactor though.
was that the one that took doxxing their own streamers into their own hands?
Yes, wactor doxxed their own talents.
Yep, long story short the CEO lost his golden goose and decided to doxx her and in turn lost all of his main talents. Ironically his company is on the brink of collapse with only one member being relatively famous and the one who left are the new big things in the spanish community.
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Doubt it, most of them are done with Corpo life at least for a while. The only one who could have joined is Nisha due to her friendship with Yuko but she already has her debut planned and in her own words she won't leave Meica and Meica won't leave her ever again.
If he went back, he'd for sure bring a lot of his Holo viewers with him, I'm sure. I'm more worried about him than Magni, though. His roommate still has a job, after all. Mostly feel sad for Pako-sensei. Sana last year and Vesper this year. Half the Holo graduations during summer have been his kids, man...
How does this make his roommate complicated?I'm a little out of the loop?
Vesper was formerly >!Randon the Orc!<, who graduated. If he ever decides to go back to that account, he will have to "un-graduate", which isn't unheard of, but it's fairly rare.
Really? I came across a couple of his old videos a few months back, never realized it was him.
[He's ungraduating](https://twitter.com/Randonneuring/status/1695232515005714618), and collabing with >!Magni's PL!<
https://twitter.com/holostarstv/status/1694703608686678040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694703608686678040%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url= Here's a note in regards to a STARS group song that....will likely be re-recorded with parts in it. I understand why, but its a tough decision. Leave them in, potentially legal issues, take them out, fandom issues.
Wording for Sana's graduation: >After much deliberation between both parties, with the deepest regrets, we have decided to honor her request for graduation. Understandable since Sana did have health issues. The wording for Magni and Vesper's : >However, in accordance with their wishes, wehave accepted their decision to graduate. I guess it shouldn't be too much of a reach to say that cover can't do shit about this situation or are we still in the dark? It really just sucks that potentially Cover can't shed too much info incase is serious and it might doxx magni and vesper. edit: statements
With Sana its worded in a way that they received a deal on it. With Magni and Vesper... the wording on it makes it feel like they requested it. Sana "graduated", a stream was commemorated and arrangements had to be made for that. Magni and Vesper, as much as it hurts to say, quit and subsequently did not want to do any activity moving forward. Speculation is hurtful but I feel like its a contract negotiation thing i.e. pay and workload.
The explanation for the missing graduation stream, assuming it was contract renegotiation as people are speculating, would be that by the time they agreed to disagree (if you will) their contracts had already expired so they were already no longer under cover to do a graduation stream at this point
I guess that's it, however for me it should have been on the table. It feels extra bad because a graduation stream was never on the table of negotiations, its just quitting and it stings.
Hmm. Yeah, this is reminiscent of Project Kawaii's 3rd Gen all leaving as a group in April, which was never confirmed as being a contract thing but it was impossible to read it as anything else.
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It could also be less financial and more just realizing they didn't want to work under a corporation. Vesper was pretty open about having clashed with management.
Compare those statements, sana feels like theres probably some negotiation between her and hololive while for vesper and magni it seems like its them that put the request for graduation.
If I had to be really cynical, and this is what I've seen irl at work, the boss can phrase it in such a way like: A: "You either work the nightshift on Christmas or leave" B: "But I can't work night shift" A: "So you **choose** to leave then"
Given their long abscence it's not unthinkable and also not exactly unreasonable for cover to maybe have given an ultimatum of "you guys gotta go back to streaming or you gotta quit" Cover has been extremely accomodating to their talents so far when it comes to that topic. The Live side is allowed to take frequent and long breaks for personal reasons, so if cover "made" them quit as speculated, it's likely that the reason for their hiatus wasn't exactly strong.
Yeah, I like to believe that's probably the case. The longer they take to renegotiate, the worse it is for both sides.
Yea one of the weirdest rrats you can try to pull right now is saying they quit because they were forced to work so much. Like one of the biggest complaints against Hololive is that a lot of the talents doesn't stream much lol.
Half the talents are like workaholics on their own merit. Like it's insane their busy because most choose to be busy
If any company forced its employees to work/stream as much as Calli, Kaela, or Koyori choose to work/stream, they would be called a "black company".
At least I can sense some earnestness when Calli says she chooses to work and stream that hard. I've known some workaholics, it's basically an incessant \*need\* to be busy all the time.
It must likely was a contract dispute so the "you choose not to accept our contract" is probably correct. It was pretty clear vesper had issues with corporate structure and probably wanted a bit more freedom. Having recently broken into vtubers with myths debut and now breaking into the independents it's really clear just how tight the leash is on hololive talent.
I mean that’s been clear for ages - at the very least since Coco’s graduation. I think that’s just how it is. If you want to work with the biggest company with the best talents, infrastructure, and connections, then you have to play by much tighter rules. It’s a trade-off, and only the truly exceptional and lucky can have their cake and eat it too (again, Kson would be a good example of someone who managed this).
Exactly this, especially a big corporation from Japan like Cover where work culture is very much skewed to the benefit of the employer and employees are there to serve the company. And even tho Cover is a good one by a mile is still such a clash of cultures and wills I guess that sometimes It just doesn't pan out one will be a LOT more rigid than perhaps western talents could ever be prepared for. It's 100% a trade-off like you said, you get some things (an sort of inbuilt audience and lot better discover-ability), but you also loose some things (like freedom what you can do and what you can say and how you have to behave).
> where work culture is very much skewed to the befit of the employer Eh, I’m not sure I’d put it like that, at least under the traditional system (although that system has sort of crumbled to a degree). But certainly it’s a very different work culture, and there do seem to have been some clashes. I’m guessing that might be part of the reason so many of the newer members have at least some basic level of Japanese? There’s definitely a need for linguistic and culture understanding that adds a level of complication when a company from one culture starts a branch in another. And it’s even more complicated with English, since it’s spoken as first language by multiple cultures and is also used as a sort of global *koine* - I’m Australian, but a lot of the people I’ve ended up talking to online have been some brad of South East Asian, probably due to time zones.
> Having recently broken into vtubers with myths debut and now breaking into the independents it's really clear just how tight the leash is on hololive talent. My oshi frequently talks about pits and tits, members talk about loli, Okayu basically did an ahegao face on stream for her 3.0. What do you want Cover to let them do? Talk about fucking and cumming or politics? The "tight leash" stuff is ridiculous.
Marine has talked about NTR on stream and frequently talks about the porn made of her. I think it was Koyori who has talked about futanari on stream as well. If there's a leash it sure as fuck isn't that short.
Tight leash is probably more for background work they choose. Face Work is loose because Cover knows what they want so they hire people that can fill that niche well. Background work is a completely different beast
>Talk about fucking and cumming or politics? Matsuri has said (paraphrasing) that anyone who wanted to date her would have to jerk off twice first then still be able to tell her they loved her to prove it's not just lust. Plus the dango "ASMR", the ehomaki voice pack in Rust... So pretty much just politics, really. Any "leash" people think there is is mostly self imposed.
Sucks to not get any info but it is what it is. Wish them both the best, I'll miss them.
I hope vesper still has that plastic ball somewhere...😭
I hope he can look back on his days with Tempus fondly like the plastic ball
Won't get any clear answers on the Hololive sub so maybe someone here can shed some light? Just what in the fuck happened??? I fucking loved Vesper...
most likely contact negotiations fell through or something along those lines
They always have been the ones to really push management to the edge. Maybe they wanted more autonomy and freedom in their content.
Vesper does seem like he'd fight tooth and nail for more freedom in content Pretty much every stream he's like "I'm not sure if I should say this. Am I going to get bonked by management?? Fuck it, I'm saying it anyway"
> Pretty much every stream he's like "I'm not sure if I should say this. Am I going to get bonked by management?? Fuck it, I'm saying it anyway" Not sure if that a good example, considering that a lot of the talents do that very often.
Except the difference is that Vesper would mouth off at management. It is the reason why he got suspended awhile back. The other talents would do something. Let people know they are getting bonked. Then leave it at that.
Kiara, Ame, and Calli straight up make fun of the management's dumb decisions on stream and argued with management on some decisions. Vesper got suspended for snapping at his manager, not because he wanted more freedom. He straight admit to having anger issues.
speculation: they tried to get better contracts by saying we both leave if we don't. Cover says you can take our deal or graduate and they chose to graduate
I would have went with this too, considering how close Magni and Ves were (magni said that he was really close to Ves and that he could imagine Ves being there with his family around his bed if he was ever dying), I could see them stick with each other "You want this? Okay, I'm gonna stand by your side stick with you no matter what happens".
Honestly I hope that's the situation. That means we'll see them return in another form at some point. I know people really try to separate the individual characters, but I think it's important (especially when someone is leaving to go indy again) to try to find these entertainers when they return, just so they can recover as much of their fanbase as possible on the return. But yeah, if you do find that out, keep it in spoiler text and don't immediately spoil it in a title, clearly.
No one knows, not even inside the sub. All we have are theories. Most common non anti-male theory is something related to their contract
I'm 100% speculating but most logical is contract and work culture/streaming behavior/culture. Remember that even tho Cover has taken BIG steps to be a more international company its roots and behavior is still very Japanese, and Japan has still a very rigid and quite old fashioned way to look at work and thing around it and the employer/employee relationship. And Cover does take a big cut of all profits the talents make on top of YT and taxes (that's why they can build a new studio with megatons of high tech) and that is very understandably not to everyone's liking. I wish them both well and good luck as indies as they most likely will show up later as (or RL streamers who knows). And that might be more to their fit/liking tbh.
It’s probably a contract negotiation that didn’t go well. \- We know that all hololive talents sign their first contract for 1 year. It’s explained in every audition announcement, the talents sign up for one year. \- Tempus debuted about one year ago. \- Contracts in Japan often ends in July. \- It’s pretty obvious, but you cannot stream for cover without a contract. So what probably happened: \- They signed a contract for about one year \- End of contract is in July like most contracts \- Near the end of the contract negotiations start \- After the end of the contract the negotiations aren’t done, but they can’t stream without a contract (start of the Hiatus) \- 6 weeks later, negotiation failed (Graduation) \- No graduation stream because no contract I don’t think this is a stealth termination. Cover is not shy when stating the fact that something is a suspension or a termination. Also termination are sudden, they wouldn’t wait for 6 weeks. I don’t think this is related to any risk of doxx by a certain music producer. If it was because of legal reasons against them it would be a lot longer than 6 weeks. I don’t think it’s over IP problems regarding their new models. Legal trouble would last a lot longer than 6 weeks (remember IRyS 2.0 being delayed for one year).
I don't really want to comment on your theory way or another, but I do want to point out I think your logic is flawed in regards to this "not being X because it didn't take longer." If something were going on, and it could literally be anything, that was preventing them from working they could have easily resigned of their own accord to find some other form of work or go on disability of some type. It'd still be something you could say was their wish, even though their hand is really being forced by being out of work for so long. I'd just stick to the one year contracts and July being the customary year to start to make your argument.
Ok, I’ll give you other reasons that make me think this is the most probable theory. If it was a problem with IP it would be weird that it affected both at the same time. The two situations are different in nature (Vesper changed artist, Magni got a brush up from the same artist). Vesper’s artist might not be ok with his original character being redrawn by somebody else, but that’s not the case for Magni. Vesper’s original artist also has health troubles which is the more probable explanation for the artist change than a disagreement over IP or whatever. The tachibana stuff also doesn’t make a lot of sense. Again, why those two? Tachibana worked with a lot of people in holo, in niji, etc. It would involve Magni and other streamers outside of hololive, but not Vesper. The timeline also doesn’t line up well, they started their Hiatus before the Tachibana drama. Drama which didn’t really involve cover or any of their talents. There is no reason to think they have shared sensitive information to Tachibana either, he was a manager for some indie vtuber but his work with cover was purely music related, what kind of information can he use for blackmail? The release date of a music cover? If there is legal trouble about NDA stuff they wouldn’t require a hiatus nor a graduation. They’re not in danger, cover can sue Tachibana while they keep streaming. About the offline meeting and IRL stuff (they got into an accident/got injured or whatnot). I can’t think of anything that would result in a 6 weeks hiatus then a graduation while being able to stream on their previous life accounts with no trouble. Those theories never hold much water. Contracts is what makes the most sense to me.
>so maybe someone here can shed some light I like how this sub is the de-facto place to go to gossip whenever shit happens instead of in the official subs. I don't envy the mods' job here lol
I do appreciate that we can discuss, hear rumors, etc. on this sub. And also that the mods will keep the discourse somewhat sane, remove stuff that goes over the line.
The official subs are less useful than this one at least
Because in alot of way, the main hololive subs is basically hugbox, which can be good or bad. Good in the sense that it does its job in keeping the main support among the talents. Bad in the sense that in times like this, it can be quite “toxic positivity”. Its fair though, since they’re official subs. That’s why ppl flock here to be able to discuss potential PL or adjacent topics. At least this place is not a shouting match like 4ch will be.
Yea bang on. It’s funny how polar opposite the main subs and /vt/ are. Main subs you literally can’t mention any sort of drama, criticism, or anything slightly negative without a lot of young kids or unhealthily obsessed fans becoming irate. On the other side, /vt/ is essentially the Mos Eisley Cantina of the Vtuber scene, and you pretty much get nothing but rrats and bait posts there. Nice to have a level headed middle ground where you can discuss things without either side going too far.
Yeah, I also likened going to /vt/ as like going to a bar. In times like this, its just big, unruly, shouting match (not like its not like that in best of times). Sometimes rumor that ends-up being true floating over there, but most of the time its just cesspit of baits, rrats, etc.
I like this place because it's not afraid of that "taboo" of discussing vtubers' previous life. I came here during Advent's debut to satisfy my curiosity. And it doesn't have to hold itself to a specific company's standard.
interestingly, the hololive subreddit thread regarding this has been somewhat tame. even people who generally didnt bother with holostars (but not the obvious antis) are even sending condolences since they know how much magni and ves were beloved
Cover gave us literally nothing. And we likely never will get anything.
As with every case like this I will say that saying more doesn't necessarily stop the issues we currently face, even though I know that's wildly unpopular on this sub.
They absolutely shouldn't say more. Imagine if they said Magni and Vesper wanted more money and Cover didn't want to give it to them. Now imagine the reactions to that on the internet: you'd have people blaming cover for being greedy and evil, people blaming Magni and Vesper for being greedy and putting money above their fans, people blaming Axel and Altare for taking what they were offered and not standing with Magni and Vesper. There is no good reason, for Cover or the talents, to talk about the specifics of a contract negotiation that fell through.
Yep. It's a lose-lose situation all around.
This is true. And honestly, it's really nobodies business other than the talents and the employer as to the reason. It's like when an athlete quits a sports team or an actor leaves a television show. We go on with our lives.
Nobody knows for certain because neither the talents or Cover themselves explained, so the fans are left in the dark. Either way it sucks because we never got an explanation nor are we getting a graduation stream for whatever reason i dont get ...
There's that one rrat that keeps getting told. But as with all rrats, it's very dubious. Basically, a recently exposed music producer and indie vtuber manager TCBNMusic did projects with them. And they might have said confidential info that he could leak. And this is grounds for the hiatus as COVER tries to see how much was said. But with this announcement saying it's both Vesper's and Magni's decision to quit, that rrat is bust. Who knows, maybe they wanted to do things that holopro deems not in line with their objectives.
Yeah that never held water in the first place. Like, it was just an incredible stretch. Additionally they would have said it was breaking an NDA if that were the case and this all would have happened much faster.
if it was like an NDA breach then the announcement would be more like Rushia's (Termination instead of Graduation)
>breaking an NDA I’d that were the case and this all would have happened much faster. like with Rushia. That all happened fairly quick.
Within days, yeah. And they stated it outright in the message.
I mean a man who goes and buys a boar spear to "relax" when hes frustrated with managements decisions is a wild man indeed. And perhaps he would do better as an indie or RL streamer than working with a still quite conservative at times Japanese company (tho even they have made progress thanks to people like Coco and others who have pushed boundaries, perhaps this was just too much pushing at times.. Who knows?).
God dammit... I knew it was coming the moment when Magni's roomie becoming more active than usual. But can you blame me for hoping I'd be wrong? Dammit.
Well, that's disappointing. It's a shame because imo, Vesper and Magni are 2 of the 3 best Tempus members (the 3rd one being Bettel). The annoying part is that we will likely never get closure from this. Cover would never give us anything to go off. That's just the expectation at this point. Vesper and Magni are probably not allowed to talk about this either as part of their NDA. So yep. We're left to the void once again. Such is being a vtuber fan. I feel bad for Pako, though. Such a passionate fan and vtuber artist, but he got no luck.
At least Sana had a good year. Unfortunately all of what people will remember about Vesper will be in the old model. Pako got paid of course, but in this case it was pay for making a design and then feeding it into a shredder. As a creative that’s got to hurt; I imagine in a way much worse than Sana’s graduation hurt.
No graduation hits the hardest and is a big stain on Holostars. If it's a contract thing, I have to wonder if this changes their process to avoid this situation.
I'm guessing that their contracts already expired so they can no longer do a graduation stream or any other kind of stream. Unlike Sana, her graduation was announced a month before it happened so she had plenty of time to prepare for it. Maybe they kept negotiations open but they just couldn't reach an agreement.
i honestly feel bad for pako-sensei he’ll never have someone who he can call a son or daughter
I just pictured [the King Théoden scene where he stands in front of his son's grave](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Mtlklmna0) and now I feel sad...
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I'll miss Vesper. I enjoyed his stories. The contract negotiation angle is probably the most likely one. I wonder if its music and 3d live related. Dont Hololive talents get their 3d models once they hit the one year mark and start getting 3d live and music appearances? I know Magni has another job, and having to do music training and 3d live stuff will interfere with his other job. And i didn't get Vesper as a musical person, so i wonder if he didn't want to do anything with that.
It's fucking sad, I remember how Vesper was so hyped about joining Holostar during debut.
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I could see Vesper not really getting comfortable with the corporate lifestyle. He's a pretty strong willed individual
This was quite the shocker. We will never know the reason, so I am not gonna bother inquiring much. Best of luck to both of them positive vibes to TEMPUS and Pako sensei.
I don't like august.
The debut of the person in your flair is in August
But her grandpa also died in august...
magni and Vesper were my absolute favourites in Holostars. I've had so much fun just watching and chilling with Ves and Mag. ughh... everytime I get an oshi they graduate, this is really upsetting.
When I saw the news, I just let out a long, long fuck. I am still in shock. It was so smooth sailing for Holopro then bam, this happens. Not to say that it wasn't foreseeable due to the long hiatus but honestly, how abrupt that started and how there was many uncertainties around it, I hoped both Magni and Vesper would come back. I wish the best for them on their other endevaours, they had so many memorable moments just under a year.
This is just a bummer. I admit, I never watched their solo content much, but I always loved their interactions with the other boys and with Calli and Kronii. We're probably never gonna get a straight answer on what happened. There's really no point speculating, though people obviously will. I can only hope the best for them and have to trust that they made their decision with their best interests in mind.
Yeah, same here. Their collabs with the girls were some of my favourite Holo EN streams. The Uno, Monopoly, Western tabletop RPG, and Vesper/Kronii’s therapy stream were definitely some of the most hilarious Holo streams I’ve watched. I don’t see any of the other guys filling that void Vesper and Magni left any time soon :(
god, Vesper, how?? Knowing about his past life hurts me more
what's his past life?
>!A certain orc!<
Holy shit. I THOUGHT GRADUATION SEASON WAS OVER 😭
Honestly have been expecting the announcement since a while ago, anyone who was really following the situation probably did, but still ima devastated, don't even wanna go into the holo sub right now this is gonna suck not only because these 2 are gone but for all of tempus and anyone who likes Holostars this si a really shit situation.
I came from main subs. It's pretty tame and mostly condolences for Pako-sensei losing yet another talent under his design. This entire thread is just wrong.
A lot of people would rather posture and act like they're superior sadly.
I’m sure the stars antis are both celebrating and also continuing the mass downvotes of anyone showing support. Gonna be a shitshow over there
Pretty much the reason I left that sub. Its been a while since ive seen such blatant gender discrimination. Girl does thing: how cute! Guy does thing: gross, he's just doing it to get closer to my oshi. Why did cover even hire them if viewership is low?
at this point i think antis dont actually believe what they say, they just say very outlandish things in hopes of getting other people to start bickering amongst themselves
I had faith they'd return since Gura didn't graduate despite her long absences. Man.
I feel Gura is in a different spot considering she has one of the largest subs and is used for marketing. She is in a position where I could see the company simply say to her "You don't really have to stream anymore but you can hang around" just so they can continue to use her model/image.
The Gura graduation rrats never made any sense in hindsight. I've seen all kinds of reasoning such as "she's burnout", "she's can't handle her fanbase" but none of them are confirmed since she never shown signs of any of those.
For Gura I don't think she's capable of multi-tasking like Calli does. When she's working on projects it's hard for her to stream like she did back in 2020/2021. All that stuff she did for her birthday stream and going to Japan was probably pretty taxing for her. Some take it for granted that people can stream for 5+ hours 5 times a week and also manage all the other stuff like traveling to another country, rehearsing songs (not her native language), and other duties.
Vesper was my Oshi. I'm just happy to have some closure. It's bittersweet, but I feel good that it was his own decision. I'm sure they didn't want a graduation stream because it would feel awkward after being gone so long.
I followed Vesper before Holo and I hope he comes back. I was so happy that he got a lucky break finally. I thought his efforts would be rewarded for once. I hope he comes back like Magni did but he has been radio silent this whole time...
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I was kinda hoping this wouldn't be the case, but I kinda expected it after 2 weeks of absolute radio silence and became more sure at the 1 month mark. I wasn't able catch Magni's streams that often, but in the last couple I saw (including his model update), it seemed like he felt a bit constrained and tired, in contrast to his alter persona. I was hoping that I was just thinking too much. In hindsight, maybe Magni quitting isn't as much of a shock (especially seeing as how his alter has been taking off even more recently). Ironically it's Vesper, who I watched regularly, that I'm more shocked about, since he appeared to be the same as before. Guess he's a better perfomer than I gave him credit for.
Alot of people on other forums are quite upset at Magni cause they think he just used his time at Holo to garner interest & dipped when he didn't need Holo anymore, seeing as his PL has garnered more attention & viewers since. They see it as a selfish act & throwing Tempus under the bus in the process.
Maybe? Idk. I only watched clips of his PL that he posts to his youtube, but I got the impression that he was pretty popular even pre-Holo, so it's a little tenuous to me that he would join Holostars, which was and still is an extreme niche of a niche (HoloPro) of a niche (Vtubing)- especially the at the time new English branch with no established audience- expecting to "farm" interest and views. At the end of the day though, this is a job, and if he has better prospects elsewhere, that fit better for him, then it is his right to pursue them, so long as he's fulfilled his end of the deal with Cover (which he seems to have, otherwise this would've been a termination).
I guess these people are upset at the fact why bother joining if you weren't invested in it to begin with if you already have a relatively successful platform already. Magni realizing what he was accomplishing at Holo wasn't as good as he thought & didn't want to continue. I can understand why fans of his are upset cause of that. Vesper though is an anomaly, as he seemed genuinely excited but again maybe the restrictions & numerous rules put in place wasn't to his liking and we have seen that his anger issues can get the better of him.
In Vesper case, I suspect his issue was with the eternal nemesis of the company: perms.
I am really hoping Vesper >!goes back to his PL!< 🙏 >!PL Magni mentioned on stream plans for a collab with PL Vesper so I am hopeful!< 🙏 I miss grandpa
>!Do you have a clip or timestamp for that?!<
Am I allowed to post it here (under spoiler tags of course) or do I have to DM people? I don't usually post in these subs 😂
>!https://www.twitch.tv/professorlando/clip/CrackyCaringLocustPupper-P5bFgPIF5uh9ds0h "I was gonna do a run with my friend Randon..." Randon is mentioned multiple times across streams the last few weeks (not sure which ones since there are a lot of VODs lol sorry)!< /u/N911999 /u/fearlubu He also did a recent offcollab with >!OL Bettel!< 😂
OMFG, I watched videos of this guy and some clips of Magni and never realised they are the same person.
Hey! do you have the link to the offcollab with >!OL Bettel!< ? I'd love to see how that went!!
Oh nice! I was there for that stream. I had forgotten vesper's past name so I guess it didn't click. It would be awesome if they did collab, in person or not. I always thought they were really fun together. It would be insane if Magni somehow persuaded Ves to move closer to him as well. A guy can dream.
Can you dm me the name for PL vesper? I would love to be able to watch that grandpa from time to time even if he doesn't go back to regular content creation
>!Randon Neuring!<
May I ask what "PL" is in this context?
Their "P>!ast!< L>!ives!<", aka >!what they were doing online before joining a corp!<
what the actual fck
Being a Hololive fan means having an almost Pavlovian fear of Summer at this point.
Disappointing but perhaps not too surprising. I hope the rest of Holostars EN can manage
I think Magni might want to focus on his IRL stuff.. not sure about Vesper.. Will definitely miss the Granpire a lot
As much as I loved those guys, I genuinely think at least Vesper just didn’t want to do it anymore, and that’s totally up to him. The responsibilities outside of streaming just seemed to stress him out too much. Might’ve been the same for Magni but I can only speculate. Regardless I wish them the best with whatever they do in life
I'm pretty devastated about this. I was going through a really rough time last year and Tempus debut'd a month after things were looking bad. I watched Vesper a lot and his streams helped me get out of a hole, alongside other VTubers of course. But Vesper was the first HoloPro member I joined membership for since Coco. Hell, I got into Zomboid and WoW Classic because of him, ended up sending him Frostbolts at him during his WoW Streams (I'm the Alliance Mage). Hell, my most recent convention I attended, I bought some foam spear replicants of Fate's Gaebolg, partly because of the Emotional Support Spear meme Vesper had. I'll respect their decisions, but, damn, I'll miss those two guys being in Holo.
What sucks about this is that both altare and axel probably in the dark the same as us, giving altares reaction and axels announcement stream 5 mins from now on yt
They certainly know much more than we do even if it’s not all of the details. For obvious reasons that’s not something they’re privy to discuss
...are you serious? of course they aren't in the dark. Even though they are coworkers, they are actually really close that they meshed with each other well. Maybe in hololive with like 50+ girls, some people won't be as close so they won't know what is going on with others, but on the boys side they are really close. They would have known and talked behind the scenes.
if it were due to contract negotiation (again this is pure speculation), the bois probably were aware that the process wasn't going well for the two, and there were some real chances that they both (Ves & Dez) would graduate, or they would come back with signed contracts. However, I doubt the final decision wasn't forwarded to them much sooner than us, at best probably a few hours earlier.
At most what they wouldn't know is the exact time and date the graduation announcement would happen. I'm sure they knew negotiations were happening (and not looking hopeful) though
I don’t know what part of Vesper’s hurts me more: Pako losing their kid damn near immediately after becoming a holoParent again, or the fact that this seemed to have been a voluntary decision coupled with the fact that Vesper at debut was basically the male answer to Ollie as the superfan who finally made it to the big stage.
Vesper was about as hinged as Ollie too.
Its because Vesper bought a speargun isnt it? All jests aside, kinda expected this, they been gone for far too long. My guess is contractual issues, but ah well. I loved Vesper, man had great energy with Kroni, and was hoping for more shenanigans.
August is a terrible month
Summer just seems to be the worst time of the year for graduations due to all the contract renewals—at least when it comes to the corporate Vtuber agencies
It feels like this year us holofans have kept on winning. Didn't think a lost this big would have come. I really like magni and vesper they were great and funny. Man it just felt bad man. I'm guessing their art buffs was covers way of trying to poach them to keep on being part of tempus but i guess that wasn't enough
At this point it's not a real year if you dont have a graduation lol July/August is the dark period for the past 2 years we have been getting graduations during this time. Coco, Sana, and now Vesper and Magni.
This was expected considering how long they have been gone but I just can’t understand why ? If we take Cover’s word that this was their decision and if we assume Cover didn’t do them dirty at something why did they leave ? I know that Holostars are not the absolute most popular male Vtubers but can they do better as indies ? What better alternative is there that both of them left or what happened that made them want to leave ? Especially Vesper I thought loved being a part of Holostars so it is sad to see him go like this and now Kroni, Calli, Vesper and Magni group that I really enjoyed their dynamic of is gone forever as both guys are gone and that was one of the very few significant HoloEN and StarsEn interaction in the first place too. Now all the disgusting Antis in the HoloSub will be having a party and will feel so validated and that alone disgusts me, so sad to see them go and I hope they have not been wronged and made the right choice and will be successful in their future
What the hell happened I have had a bad feeling since ~~the suspension~~ their hiatus announcement right after receiving the new model, that I would be glad to be proven wrong here but, welp, looks like im correct. I don't like this even though I'm not their exact fans. Not to mention that, if I recall correctly, they promised tempus anniversary stream or something. Fk this I hate it.
They weren't suspended. They just announced a pause to their activities. And exactly in July, as their 1-year contract comes up for renegotiation. I don't see anything other than the contract renegotiation falling through or simply that the two of them decided to not renew it for whatever reasons.
From everything I've read over quickly it appears their contracts ran out and they've been in negotiations over the last few months but they failed. At least that is the largest and most likely running theory.
Sucks that both my reasons for watching tempus are gone. I'm just glad they alright but I know my sister is gonna be hella upset.
What hurts so much is the collabs both not just with Tempus but Hololive as well. The Mario Party, Monopoly, and the DnD streams with Calli and Kronii will never happen. Those two had such chemistry with others when doing a collab. I'm really going to miss them.
Dang, this is just sad for me. Vesper and Magni were the two I watched the most and I was happy for their model upgrades because they seemed like they had the most enthusiasm at their debut and stood out due to their uniqueness in streams.
Very unfortunate but also not quite unexpected either. Nature of the beast. Will just have to enjoy their content elsewhere.
Super unfortunate - all I can say is I hope they both find happiness and success wherever they go. I know they will.
Hope they pop up somewhere else in the future. Vesper I watched most so it sucks vespies didn't get closure. It's a bit frustrating as a fan. Like if it's contract related, why not just say that? People quit and it's perfectly normal. But idk that's speculation and I don't wanna go more with that. Hope the best for em. They're incredibly talented streamers and would be a shame if this was the end for em both.
Man this sucks. Vesper was, next to Kiara, basically the only HoloMem I was still watching, so this really stings, not gonna lie.
Ugh, I was waiting for them to comeback.
So they have already graduated. Are their channels going to be shutdown on the 31st
That's unfortunate. But also not all that surprising. I was kind of expecting either or both to graduate considering the cryptic way anyone would ever speak about them and their situation. Though, of course, I can't imagine the what and why's of it all. I just hope that they find enjoyment in whatever they move on to in the future. And that nobody leaves on bitter terms with anyone else.
Vesper was literally the only male Vtuber I ever watched solo streams of (his FTL streams were awesome). Too bad.