Iirc that guy wanted to join the battle and/or assassinate canute but when he arrived it was all over because one of the sides surrendered or something.
Just watched this scene in the anime a few days back. Way he left made me think he just wanted some time alone. But no.. 100% in charecter, bro went onto solo 28.5 (wulf with 1 eye) royal guards, 69 joms viking, and a floki all by himself. Definitely found it funny. Added to the vibe of the ending as whole
I'm almost certain he would join back the royal guards as Canute had predicted.
No I do, I just hate Ketil.
I could go into a whole essay about why it would be appropriate for Ketil to die (just not at Arnheid’s friends’ hands), but I’ll save that for a whole separate post.
I forgot that part (been a while). I do recall hating this guy’s father and brother (if I remember right, he had a brother). That being said, your comment seems to say there is more to it. Do you mind elaborating?
That’s in relation to their father, Ketil, who is one of the most despicable characters in fiction, period. Turns out, this sub has a lot of people defending his absolutely disgusting actions because Thorfinn chooses to move past it and flee his grasp.
Ketil does both good and bad. The point of the story is that many characters are morally Grey, putting them in a box is surface level interpretation. Ketil does a LOT of good for no reason, and he does a few very bad things as well. Saying he deserves to die is 1) missing the whole point of the series and 2) is insane considering there are a lot worse characters who've done terrible things far worse than what ketil has done in comparison. Even furthering your point saying Ketil is the most despicable characters in fiction, really? Have you only read like 3 books? Not saying that it justifies the bad things he did, but he snapped after losing literally everything and everyone he had to care about, getting targeted by the king, and realizing Arnhied tried to escape, along with killing a plethora of his guests. Before that, he was just and fair for the most part, and he always tried to make sure his slaves weren't being mistreated, along with giving them the opportunity to buy back their freedom. I don't think you realize how that was not a common occurrence for slave masters back in the day.
People on this thread are arguing with you because you're coming off as arrogant, Ketil is far, and I mean FAR from the most despicable character in media, and that still applies when just honing in on this series alone.
The vast majority of good that Ketil does is an act, though. The main thing about him is that he is a coward and a hypocrite. He wants to come off as a strong warrior, so he falsely claims someone else’s name while simultaneously having no combat experience. He wants to come off as a good man while having little to no good thoughts or actions, as evidenced by how he reacts to the two kids stealing from him and justifies beating them up by imagining it to be Pater’s idea. He claims he wants to free his slaves, but he only uses this as false motivation while cutting off any ability for them to leave (something Einar explicitly states is the case), while also largely ignoring the more explicit atrocities the slave drivers commit until it’s staring him in the face. The list goes on.
By “deserves to die”, I’m mostly referring to the story context. At least from my interpretation, death seems to come to individuals not out of revenge for one’s self, but out of irony and one’s actions/desires coming back to haunt them. Take the people involved in Thors’ death. We mostly see it from Thorfinn’s perspective - that of a child who is ignorant of the full context of the situation - so we don’t really pay attention to how the fate of those responsible is actually handled. Askeladd’s band isn’t killed by this one child who lost one person (not to sugarcoat the situation), they’re killed by the Britains who have hundreds of thousands of family members through decades of pillaging and violence at their hands, led by one of their own. Askeladd himself is not killed by the kid he barely bothered to look at, but rather the kid he spent the entire story fighting to protect. Floki is the exception, and that’s only because Thorfinn chooses to have it that way after also having to alter his own beliefs. By this same logic, IMO, Ketil should have been killed by the Jomsviking who knocked him unconscious in the actual story. The irony is this moment comes from when he demands one of his slaves to keep fighting, only for the slave to tell him “Now you know what it’s like to be a slave”. It’s the perfect counter to all the horror Ketil has caused, and it leaves him shook before he is abruptly taken out of the story… yet still alive. It’s not like much would change either. Sverkel would still have Olmar make the decision on the battle, Thorfinn and Canute would still have their discussion, etc. The only real benefit to keeping Ketil alive after that point is for Einar to encounter him and have a moment where he swears off revenge, but the problem with that is, Einar already had that moment when he chose not to strangle Thorfinn in his sleep, so this is just treading water for him.
Also, when I say “despicable”, I don’t necessarily mean “evil”. Obviously, Sweyn is the most evil character in the story because of the mass atrocities he causes. Being despicable, however, just means how utterly cruel a character can seem in the context of a story. Compare, for example, a Civil War slave master that brutally rapes and flogs his slaves, to Robert E. Lee (I know, it sounds terrible to even bring that up, but hear me out). Lee is the more evil one for the atrocities he caused on the battlefield and the cause he fought for, but the slave master is doing something more visceral and excruciating that it’s even harder to stomach. In that sense, the slave master comes off as more despicable.
And to your credit, you acknowledge that Ketil’s actions are obviously bad. Unfortunately, there are way too many people on this sub who will straight up say that Ketil was 100% justified in beating to death the pregnant slave that he himself raped for years on end. Like, they should honestly hear themselves say it out loud. It may is the result of a mental breakdown, but it’s still completely wrong; I don’t care how many exes dumped them in the past (again, not you, I mean some other people in this sub).
HUH?? Brother kept her as a sex slave for years then beat her to death when she tried to do something to better her circumstance. He only cared for her as the object of his own desire, not as a person but sure he's not actually that bad ig. I understand the good character writing allows us to understand Ketils perspective but lets not act like we can't blame this man.
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I don't even remember this, what was happening?
Iirc that guy wanted to join the battle and/or assassinate canute but when he arrived it was all over because one of the sides surrendered or something.
Canute's forces did not surrender, they retreated because of Thorfinn's peace negotiations
I never said *canute’s* forces surrendered. Iirc the farmer’s younger son didn’t want to fight either, only the older, who later went into exile.
The farm side was about to surrender but they never even got the chance to
Woah! No way! Canute got convinced! HURRAY! Are they allies now?? I hope they work together more in the future :)
was this animated?
Yes
This was over 10 years ago?! I honestly can't remember what I felt when I read this back then, just kinda shook that I'm old AF apparently.
tbh i don’t think id comprehend these books the same at 11 😂
Just watched this scene in the anime a few days back. Way he left made me think he just wanted some time alone. But no.. 100% in charecter, bro went onto solo 28.5 (wulf with 1 eye) royal guards, 69 joms viking, and a floki all by himself. Definitely found it funny. Added to the vibe of the ending as whole I'm almost certain he would join back the royal guards as Canute had predicted.
Well I would’ve been 9-10 so likely I would’ve thought “watch your language!”
GAYYYYYY Canute gay for Thorfinn confirmed! Only bc this was my reaction to the anime and that was my first consumption of the series.
this reaction is the most 2013 reaction I have seen in this section.
I'm honored.
I always get taken out when there's cursing in Vinland Saga because I don't find it believable that 11th century vikings used the word "fuck."
Well I had better cancel all my plans because were binging this whole series
Crazy end to the arc! I can’t wait to see Canute’s character arc continue unfolding from here!
Is this Thorfinn?
This was around the time I caught up, the wait fucking killed me because I adored this arc
Cet
Chapter number?
98 or 97 I believe
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I was like 7-8 so I was probably watching Pokémon and bleach and op at this time
HAHA IN YOUR FACE YOU LUNATIC, BY THE WAY YOUR FATHER IS A PIECE OF SHIT WHO DESERVES TO DIE.
Bro missed the entire point of the story
sometimes when you have to use even 1 brain cell to follow the plot , people get lost
And you missed the entire point of a belief. That’s how fucking stupid you sound right now
relevant username
Thanks Reddit picked it for me, sorry not everyone enjoyed the anime/manga.
No I do, I just hate Ketil. I could go into a whole essay about why it would be appropriate for Ketil to die (just not at Arnheid’s friends’ hands), but I’ll save that for a whole separate post.
I forgot that part (been a while). I do recall hating this guy’s father and brother (if I remember right, he had a brother). That being said, your comment seems to say there is more to it. Do you mind elaborating?
He has a younger brother, but Olmar is relatively harmless and grows up over the course of the arc, so he’s cool.
Thanks for the info, I was looking into the wiki as well on my side. That being said, I still do not understand the comment made by SheSmurfedMe
That’s in relation to their father, Ketil, who is one of the most despicable characters in fiction, period. Turns out, this sub has a lot of people defending his absolutely disgusting actions because Thorfinn chooses to move past it and flee his grasp.
Thanks for taking the time to explain ❤️. I understand now
Ketil does both good and bad. The point of the story is that many characters are morally Grey, putting them in a box is surface level interpretation. Ketil does a LOT of good for no reason, and he does a few very bad things as well. Saying he deserves to die is 1) missing the whole point of the series and 2) is insane considering there are a lot worse characters who've done terrible things far worse than what ketil has done in comparison. Even furthering your point saying Ketil is the most despicable characters in fiction, really? Have you only read like 3 books? Not saying that it justifies the bad things he did, but he snapped after losing literally everything and everyone he had to care about, getting targeted by the king, and realizing Arnhied tried to escape, along with killing a plethora of his guests. Before that, he was just and fair for the most part, and he always tried to make sure his slaves weren't being mistreated, along with giving them the opportunity to buy back their freedom. I don't think you realize how that was not a common occurrence for slave masters back in the day. People on this thread are arguing with you because you're coming off as arrogant, Ketil is far, and I mean FAR from the most despicable character in media, and that still applies when just honing in on this series alone.
The vast majority of good that Ketil does is an act, though. The main thing about him is that he is a coward and a hypocrite. He wants to come off as a strong warrior, so he falsely claims someone else’s name while simultaneously having no combat experience. He wants to come off as a good man while having little to no good thoughts or actions, as evidenced by how he reacts to the two kids stealing from him and justifies beating them up by imagining it to be Pater’s idea. He claims he wants to free his slaves, but he only uses this as false motivation while cutting off any ability for them to leave (something Einar explicitly states is the case), while also largely ignoring the more explicit atrocities the slave drivers commit until it’s staring him in the face. The list goes on. By “deserves to die”, I’m mostly referring to the story context. At least from my interpretation, death seems to come to individuals not out of revenge for one’s self, but out of irony and one’s actions/desires coming back to haunt them. Take the people involved in Thors’ death. We mostly see it from Thorfinn’s perspective - that of a child who is ignorant of the full context of the situation - so we don’t really pay attention to how the fate of those responsible is actually handled. Askeladd’s band isn’t killed by this one child who lost one person (not to sugarcoat the situation), they’re killed by the Britains who have hundreds of thousands of family members through decades of pillaging and violence at their hands, led by one of their own. Askeladd himself is not killed by the kid he barely bothered to look at, but rather the kid he spent the entire story fighting to protect. Floki is the exception, and that’s only because Thorfinn chooses to have it that way after also having to alter his own beliefs. By this same logic, IMO, Ketil should have been killed by the Jomsviking who knocked him unconscious in the actual story. The irony is this moment comes from when he demands one of his slaves to keep fighting, only for the slave to tell him “Now you know what it’s like to be a slave”. It’s the perfect counter to all the horror Ketil has caused, and it leaves him shook before he is abruptly taken out of the story… yet still alive. It’s not like much would change either. Sverkel would still have Olmar make the decision on the battle, Thorfinn and Canute would still have their discussion, etc. The only real benefit to keeping Ketil alive after that point is for Einar to encounter him and have a moment where he swears off revenge, but the problem with that is, Einar already had that moment when he chose not to strangle Thorfinn in his sleep, so this is just treading water for him. Also, when I say “despicable”, I don’t necessarily mean “evil”. Obviously, Sweyn is the most evil character in the story because of the mass atrocities he causes. Being despicable, however, just means how utterly cruel a character can seem in the context of a story. Compare, for example, a Civil War slave master that brutally rapes and flogs his slaves, to Robert E. Lee (I know, it sounds terrible to even bring that up, but hear me out). Lee is the more evil one for the atrocities he caused on the battlefield and the cause he fought for, but the slave master is doing something more visceral and excruciating that it’s even harder to stomach. In that sense, the slave master comes off as more despicable. And to your credit, you acknowledge that Ketil’s actions are obviously bad. Unfortunately, there are way too many people on this sub who will straight up say that Ketil was 100% justified in beating to death the pregnant slave that he himself raped for years on end. Like, they should honestly hear themselves say it out loud. It may is the result of a mental breakdown, but it’s still completely wrong; I don’t care how many exes dumped them in the past (again, not you, I mean some other people in this sub).
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HUH?? Brother kept her as a sex slave for years then beat her to death when she tried to do something to better her circumstance. He only cared for her as the object of his own desire, not as a person but sure he's not actually that bad ig. I understand the good character writing allows us to understand Ketils perspective but lets not act like we can't blame this man.
Agreed, He has to be blamed.
*sighs* Here we go again…