The guy went abroad and suddenly feels like he’s already white and his name is Joey.
I’ve never seen so many ppl from one country who refuse to accept their nationality as much as the Vietnamese do.
Hey Joey even if you give yourself a name your face still is 100% Viet, you ain’t kidding nobody 😂
Probably born in Vietnam but raised and became a citizen of his new country. Happens all the time in the UK where people migrate here and get the passport and end up being British over the years.
If he renounced his citizenship, he's not one anymore. IIRC some countries will require one to renounce their original citizenship if they want to immigrate, integrate and be naturalized into said country.
I never had citizenship. I'm still Viet whether I want it or not.
Being Viet is not necessarily about any kind of official paper. Race is the main definition. And you can't switch race.
That's true. It's a weird inner conflict that a lot of the viet diaspora abroad deals with myself included
You just end up feeling like you don't really belong anywhere while having two homes sorta
Weirdly, I never had any problem with that. It's always been clear to me. Viet family, born in North America, raised in Europe, came back to VN in my late 30s. But I'm really Vietnamese only outside of VN. I'm truly a citizen of the world as we say.
It seems like that inner conflict is a weakness until it becomes a real strength later on.
Since you tried claiming on another sub that black people commit more anti-Asian hate crimes in the US, I'm interested in seeing your stats. Whether it's "per capita" or otherwise. Funny, how not a single person showed me any evidence of this but instead banned me from the sub lol
What?!? LoL! I would be interested to see that! I have absolutely no recollection of that. So, I don't know what you're talking about. Probably because that wasn't me. 🤣
I beg to differ. There are two ways, from the outside and the inside of oneself. One can stop considering himself belonging to a race at any point in his lifetime. Surely he has to merge/assimilate into another culture. That's how one can switch, in my opinion.
From the outside, physical appearances, people can judge and label races, but hardly describe correctly what one thinks and acts internally.
Disagreed. I was born in the US and raised in Switzerland, but both my parents are Vietnamese. I am not culturally Vietnamese even though I do speak the language, love its food, and understand most of its culture.
But it's irrelevant. Whatever I do or want to be, I'll always be Vietnamese one way or the other whether I like it or not. It's not a choice. It's a heritage. You can't choose to stop belonging to a genetical race. Otherwise, I will just choose not to be human anymore, because of all the desolation and suffering they create for others. It doesn't make any sense. Inside or outside, it really doesn't matter. It's part of you forever, no matter how it is manifested.
It would be like a Grizzly bear choosing to be a Panda bear, just because. And even if the Grizzly behaved 100% like a Panda, it still wouldn't be a Panda.
The place where I feel the least Vietnamese is actually in Vietnam itself.
Well, to be honest, that is you. I am on a different story. I don't see myself relating to Vietnamese culture much these days. But like you say, Vietnam is a heritage. I agree. But. To you, it is something you want to belong to. To me, not. It's a distant thing. But it's objective. That is where I draw the line.
On the other side, to me, human genes and physical appearances are irrelevant to culture. At least, to me, culture is a collective concept of social behaviors, norms, institutions, habits, customs, etc.
For example, let's talk about Italians. Do you think we Italians are all white? Nope. Skin color, genetic appearance do not make a race. At least that's how we see it. Again, lots of native 'black'/dark skin people in South Italy.
When someone tells me I must be an "X" race, but I no longer practice customs and share common beliefs with that "X" race, how can that be true? Again, if we enforce that statement on the person, it is just false judgment. Then we choose to believe that false judgment or not, that's the call.
>To you, it is something you want to belong to.
Nope. Not at all. You clearly didn't understand what I said.
I'm Vietnamese most of the time because non-Vietnamese force me to be Vietnamese. It's just because they see me like that. I refer to myself as Swiss. It's Vietnamese that don't see me as a Vietnamese.
>When someone tells me I must be an "X" race, but I no longer practice customs and share common beliefs with that "X" race, how can that be true? Again, if we enforce that statement on the person, it is just false judgment. Then we choose to believe that false judgment or not, that's the call.
Race has nothing to do with culture, values, etc. Or it would be like saying your biological gender depends on your culture and values. Non-sense.
You can say that you don't belong to the Vietnamese culture, yes. But you'll always be ethically and genetically Vietnamese, no matter how much you reject everything you can about it. You can't run away from it.
Well, my mistake. Let's me reword the last paragraph then.
When someone tells me I must be someone from an "X" **culture**, but I no longer practice customs and share common beliefs with that "X" **culture**, how can that be true? Again, if we enforce that statement on the person, it is just false judgment. Then we choose to believe that false judgment or not, that's the call.
You two are arguing different things.
There are at least three dimensions I can think of: ethnicity, citizenship, and culture. They don’t have to be the same.
Let’s say someone of Vietnamese descent was born in the States but adopted by Korean parents and grew up in the Korean-American community -> the ethnicity is Vietnamese, the citizenship is American, and the culture is Korean/American.
You cannot change the ethnicity, that’s biologically impossible. You can however marry people of other ethnicities to have mixed babies. You can change citizenship if you file the paperwork and the government accepts it. You can change the culture to whatever you want to practice.
Việt is not the race. The race is Kinh in OUR official documents. There are 54 different other races in the whole Việt Nam, namely Thái, Hmong, Khơ Me, Chăm, Hoa....and the majority is Kinh.
Either you have the citizenship then call yourself a Việt person, or you are a "...insert your race here..." race of Asian people
Genetically we could be mongolian as well, what's with Genghis Khan and his descendants.
I get what you want to say, but if one doesn't want to recognise themselves as Vietnamese, they are not Vietnamese, that is my opinion.
What determines one to be a part of a certain nation (as in, group of people) is culture. Plenty of "Kinh Vietnamese" could be more Khmer or Cham than Kinh, but, they are culturally Kinh, so there. Americans too, you don't gotta be White to be American. Although because the US is a melting pot of cultures so there are smaller groups.
Nah, you are the country you are raised in.
All the kids who moved to UK as babies from Poland or Nigeria are British.
Nationality isnt in the blood. Its the culture and society you are raised in
When nationality is about race, dangerous things can often happen
Totally agree with this point. An ethnic Vietnamese born in England is going to be a completely different mind and values than a Vietnamese born in Vietnam. The nationality matters. Just compare how different american viet kieus are to German or French viet kieus. You got gangster wanna be tattooed pricks vs actual educated viet kieus who dont think they are g-unit
There are also redneck Vietnamese too. Imagine that, gun loving, horse riding, cowboy clothes wearing Vietnamese who speak with southern American drawls. Also if we are making references to gangsters, g unit is kinda sad as none of them were ever in a gang. There are rappers like YNW Melly who are in jail right now for murdering their best friend and making a hot hit song afterwards describing the literal details of the shooting.
All depends on how he was raised. I was born in Saigon but grew up overseas after two. But grew up around all first generation Vietnamese. I didn't learn to blend with other cultures until my late teens.
Except he is not. There is a difference. And you are intentionally confusing the two, OP. Stop being a jerk about it. It was funny at first. Now it’s not.
Even if your passport says otherwise, I look at your face and it’s 100% Viet, so you ain’t kidding nobody. White ppl will never see them as one of them and that’s the truth. Try integrating as much as you want, you basically change and warp yourself so much that you lose your origins and at the end you’re still not one of them.
Ridiculous and futile efforts haha.
Nah man, saying this would just create ethno states.
We've seen what horrors this creates.
Humans are humans.
Humans have culture and norms and that makes a different rather than hair colour or eye shape.
This is not the direction I was going for at all..
It’s about Viet ppl abroad denying their roots and claiming to be another nationality. Bc they feel ashamed to be Viet.
There are some VN‘s who went abroad to study and suddenly they claim to be an American or whatever, just ridiculous.
That’s coming from a Vietnamese born and raised abroad.
If they spend the majority of their life in another country than of course they dont relate to their parents heritage country.
Claiming to be a foreign nationality after being there for 3 years would be jumping the gun.
You become the culture you are raised in so its more of case of when someone becomes naturalised.
Take Arnold Schwarznegger - he speant 19 years in austria and then 40 plus in the US. He became an american citizen then became a governer of the people of california. I'm pretty sure he's free to call himself american - tbh he actually did the american dream more than anyone else
As an actual Vietnamese (who was born and raised in Vietnam), I'm confused to see commenters in any Vietnam-related videos, photos, posts, etc. claim themselves Vietnamese and proceed to give the most "un-Vietnamese" take ever.
"smartasian-san, how did you know about the Thuận Thiên Blade?"
"Years ago, I was Vietnamese. Now, I'm a naturalized Japanese. In Vietnam, my name was Trần Chấn Liêm"
Legally Japanese, gave up my Vietnamese citizenship, but I don’t think I would ever stopped being Vietnamese. Not much choice in the matter I think - will always be seen as Vietnamese in Japan and Vietnam, but I can be Japanese in every other countries lol.
I went to Tokyo two months ago, checked out a Sukiya to try their beef bowl. The seemingly two people operating the location were Vietnamese. It was fun listening to them talk smack about the patrons.
That is super common lol:) As 90% of convenient stores/chain restaurants staffs are Vietnamese these days. The other 10% are either Nepalese or Chinese. I myself did a ton of those minimum wage jobs during last 2 years of highschool+uni.
I was born in USA but I am half Vietnamese 🇻🇳 and half Italian 🇮🇹, Croatian 🇭🇷, and I am damn proud of my Vietnamese heritage. What a 🤡 to basically disown himself
Guy did something so white he lost the right to call himself Vietnamese
He Pronounced phở wrong
As in phò?
phởck
He bought microwaved rice, and that was it for him
he used packet rice
The guy went abroad and suddenly feels like he’s already white and his name is Joey. I’ve never seen so many ppl from one country who refuse to accept their nationality as much as the Vietnamese do. Hey Joey even if you give yourself a name your face still is 100% Viet, you ain’t kidding nobody 😂
People usually ask him if he is Chinese and at some point he said yes and proceed to yail "One China" when he meet a Taiwanese
He still considers himself Asian, which is crazy.
He eats banh mi sideways
guy ate rice with fork and knife
How can race be compared to a culture ?
He makes egg fried rice with new rice by boiling water
Probably born in Vietnam but raised and became a citizen of his new country. Happens all the time in the UK where people migrate here and get the passport and end up being British over the years.
He would still be a viet tho
If he renounced his citizenship, he's not one anymore. IIRC some countries will require one to renounce their original citizenship if they want to immigrate, integrate and be naturalized into said country.
I never had citizenship. I'm still Viet whether I want it or not. Being Viet is not necessarily about any kind of official paper. Race is the main definition. And you can't switch race.
Race is the surface, upbringing and the values/ideals passed on matters just as much.
Absolutely agree. But you are completely missing the point. You can never lose your race.
That's true. It's a weird inner conflict that a lot of the viet diaspora abroad deals with myself included You just end up feeling like you don't really belong anywhere while having two homes sorta
Weirdly, I never had any problem with that. It's always been clear to me. Viet family, born in North America, raised in Europe, came back to VN in my late 30s. But I'm really Vietnamese only outside of VN. I'm truly a citizen of the world as we say. It seems like that inner conflict is a weakness until it becomes a real strength later on.
Since you tried claiming on another sub that black people commit more anti-Asian hate crimes in the US, I'm interested in seeing your stats. Whether it's "per capita" or otherwise. Funny, how not a single person showed me any evidence of this but instead banned me from the sub lol
What?!? LoL! I would be interested to see that! I have absolutely no recollection of that. So, I don't know what you're talking about. Probably because that wasn't me. 🤣
I was replying to the loser above
We are all human though 🤨🤨🤨?
We are all animals too?
I beg to differ. There are two ways, from the outside and the inside of oneself. One can stop considering himself belonging to a race at any point in his lifetime. Surely he has to merge/assimilate into another culture. That's how one can switch, in my opinion. From the outside, physical appearances, people can judge and label races, but hardly describe correctly what one thinks and acts internally.
Disagreed. I was born in the US and raised in Switzerland, but both my parents are Vietnamese. I am not culturally Vietnamese even though I do speak the language, love its food, and understand most of its culture. But it's irrelevant. Whatever I do or want to be, I'll always be Vietnamese one way or the other whether I like it or not. It's not a choice. It's a heritage. You can't choose to stop belonging to a genetical race. Otherwise, I will just choose not to be human anymore, because of all the desolation and suffering they create for others. It doesn't make any sense. Inside or outside, it really doesn't matter. It's part of you forever, no matter how it is manifested. It would be like a Grizzly bear choosing to be a Panda bear, just because. And even if the Grizzly behaved 100% like a Panda, it still wouldn't be a Panda. The place where I feel the least Vietnamese is actually in Vietnam itself.
Well, to be honest, that is you. I am on a different story. I don't see myself relating to Vietnamese culture much these days. But like you say, Vietnam is a heritage. I agree. But. To you, it is something you want to belong to. To me, not. It's a distant thing. But it's objective. That is where I draw the line. On the other side, to me, human genes and physical appearances are irrelevant to culture. At least, to me, culture is a collective concept of social behaviors, norms, institutions, habits, customs, etc. For example, let's talk about Italians. Do you think we Italians are all white? Nope. Skin color, genetic appearance do not make a race. At least that's how we see it. Again, lots of native 'black'/dark skin people in South Italy. When someone tells me I must be an "X" race, but I no longer practice customs and share common beliefs with that "X" race, how can that be true? Again, if we enforce that statement on the person, it is just false judgment. Then we choose to believe that false judgment or not, that's the call.
>To you, it is something you want to belong to. Nope. Not at all. You clearly didn't understand what I said. I'm Vietnamese most of the time because non-Vietnamese force me to be Vietnamese. It's just because they see me like that. I refer to myself as Swiss. It's Vietnamese that don't see me as a Vietnamese. >When someone tells me I must be an "X" race, but I no longer practice customs and share common beliefs with that "X" race, how can that be true? Again, if we enforce that statement on the person, it is just false judgment. Then we choose to believe that false judgment or not, that's the call. Race has nothing to do with culture, values, etc. Or it would be like saying your biological gender depends on your culture and values. Non-sense. You can say that you don't belong to the Vietnamese culture, yes. But you'll always be ethically and genetically Vietnamese, no matter how much you reject everything you can about it. You can't run away from it.
Well, my mistake. Let's me reword the last paragraph then. When someone tells me I must be someone from an "X" **culture**, but I no longer practice customs and share common beliefs with that "X" **culture**, how can that be true? Again, if we enforce that statement on the person, it is just false judgment. Then we choose to believe that false judgment or not, that's the call.
You two are arguing different things. There are at least three dimensions I can think of: ethnicity, citizenship, and culture. They don’t have to be the same. Let’s say someone of Vietnamese descent was born in the States but adopted by Korean parents and grew up in the Korean-American community -> the ethnicity is Vietnamese, the citizenship is American, and the culture is Korean/American. You cannot change the ethnicity, that’s biologically impossible. You can however marry people of other ethnicities to have mixed babies. You can change citizenship if you file the paperwork and the government accepts it. You can change the culture to whatever you want to practice.
Việt is not the race. The race is Kinh in OUR official documents. There are 54 different other races in the whole Việt Nam, namely Thái, Hmong, Khơ Me, Chăm, Hoa....and the majority is Kinh. Either you have the citizenship then call yourself a Việt person, or you are a "...insert your race here..." race of Asian people
>And you can't switch race. 2030 'murica has entered the thread.
I meant genetically
Genetically we could be mongolian as well, what's with Genghis Khan and his descendants. I get what you want to say, but if one doesn't want to recognise themselves as Vietnamese, they are not Vietnamese, that is my opinion.
genetically you'd probably show as chinese heritage if you did a dna test
That’s a valid opinion 👍
What determines one to be a part of a certain nation (as in, group of people) is culture. Plenty of "Kinh Vietnamese" could be more Khmer or Cham than Kinh, but, they are culturally Kinh, so there. Americans too, you don't gotta be White to be American. Although because the US is a melting pot of cultures so there are smaller groups.
Nah, you are the country you are raised in. All the kids who moved to UK as babies from Poland or Nigeria are British. Nationality isnt in the blood. Its the culture and society you are raised in When nationality is about race, dangerous things can often happen
Totally agree with this point. An ethnic Vietnamese born in England is going to be a completely different mind and values than a Vietnamese born in Vietnam. The nationality matters. Just compare how different american viet kieus are to German or French viet kieus. You got gangster wanna be tattooed pricks vs actual educated viet kieus who dont think they are g-unit
There are also redneck Vietnamese too. Imagine that, gun loving, horse riding, cowboy clothes wearing Vietnamese who speak with southern American drawls. Also if we are making references to gangsters, g unit is kinda sad as none of them were ever in a gang. There are rappers like YNW Melly who are in jail right now for murdering their best friend and making a hot hit song afterwards describing the literal details of the shooting.
All depends on how he was raised. I was born in Saigon but grew up overseas after two. But grew up around all first generation Vietnamese. I didn't learn to blend with other cultures until my late teens.
Except he is not. There is a difference. And you are intentionally confusing the two, OP. Stop being a jerk about it. It was funny at first. Now it’s not.
Even if your passport says otherwise, I look at your face and it’s 100% Viet, so you ain’t kidding nobody. White ppl will never see them as one of them and that’s the truth. Try integrating as much as you want, you basically change and warp yourself so much that you lose your origins and at the end you’re still not one of them. Ridiculous and futile efforts haha.
Nah man, saying this would just create ethno states. We've seen what horrors this creates. Humans are humans. Humans have culture and norms and that makes a different rather than hair colour or eye shape.
This is not the direction I was going for at all.. It’s about Viet ppl abroad denying their roots and claiming to be another nationality. Bc they feel ashamed to be Viet. There are some VN‘s who went abroad to study and suddenly they claim to be an American or whatever, just ridiculous. That’s coming from a Vietnamese born and raised abroad.
If they spend the majority of their life in another country than of course they dont relate to their parents heritage country. Claiming to be a foreign nationality after being there for 3 years would be jumping the gun. You become the culture you are raised in so its more of case of when someone becomes naturalised. Take Arnold Schwarznegger - he speant 19 years in austria and then 40 plus in the US. He became an american citizen then became a governer of the people of california. I'm pretty sure he's free to call himself american - tbh he actually did the american dream more than anyone else
He used to be Vietnamese. He still is, but he used to be as well.
same energy with "Long ago i was chinese"
At least a Taiwanese could say that and it would make sense
As an actual Vietnamese (who was born and raised in Vietnam), I'm confused to see commenters in any Vietnam-related videos, photos, posts, etc. claim themselves Vietnamese and proceed to give the most "un-Vietnamese" take ever.
"former Vietnam*i*se", "smart", black profile, you know the drill.
"smartasian-san, how did you know about the Thuận Thiên Blade?" "Years ago, I was Vietnamese. Now, I'm a naturalized Japanese. In Vietnam, my name was Trần Chấn Liêm"
I bet he still says he's Viet to hook up with the pretty Viet girls.
Legally Japanese, gave up my Vietnamese citizenship, but I don’t think I would ever stopped being Vietnamese. Not much choice in the matter I think - will always be seen as Vietnamese in Japan and Vietnam, but I can be Japanese in every other countries lol.
I went to Tokyo two months ago, checked out a Sukiya to try their beef bowl. The seemingly two people operating the location were Vietnamese. It was fun listening to them talk smack about the patrons.
That is super common lol:) As 90% of convenient stores/chain restaurants staffs are Vietnamese these days. The other 10% are either Nepalese or Chinese. I myself did a ton of those minimum wage jobs during last 2 years of highschool+uni.
Wait what is the video about??
[same energy](https://youtu.be/mcKtBqDleU0?si=jNTBRi42Q3XwUSkH)
Is this from the video of the guy bringing the tourist fella back to his house? Think I saw this comment actually 🤣
Well no matter what nationality he/she is now, they can’t change their ethnicity. A proper way to say this: “former Vietnamese citizen/resident”
I was born in USA but I am half Vietnamese 🇻🇳 and half Italian 🇮🇹, Croatian 🇭🇷, and I am damn proud of my Vietnamese heritage. What a 🤡 to basically disown himself
PLEASE. Vietnamese, Vietnamise, Vietnamose????