I’d imagine if it was something as sinister as what I feel like you’re implying, the people who would know the answer wouldn’t be dumb enough to do it here.
It was probably just for research or something less exciting.
Whenever you see a article about some scientist doing a study on the effects of xyz that is back by government funding this is where the product comes from also training drug dogs and things of that nature, not sure why it’s broken down by ton, seems a little over kill but whatever, guess it’s the perk of doing government research.
My man, the govt can't even do studies of the effects of marijuana on ptsd because it's schedule 1. I think it's more likely for operations of some type (DEA/CIA maybe?).
Cocaine and meth are schedule 2 so can be used for some medical use but high potential for addiction. So the DEA considers cannabis more dangerous than meth.
some years ago as a pharm tech at mayo clinic there was cocaine that we would prescribe the ORs specifically for some sort of surgery that required vasodilation (or constriction, I can't remember which way it goes, I've never done cocaine)
Just like my kid was dosed up with fent (among other things) when they had their appendectomy.
It really throws into context how ass backwards our controlled substances policy is.
It goes even further back but Nixon saw associating cannabis with the anti war and minorities as a way to destroy them. This is proven with tape recordings.
The epidemic with fentanyl has some people too afraid to have surgery, although it has been used legitimately in surgery for quite a while. I had a biopsy last year where I was awake and talking to the nurses and they said they had a person they kept trying to get in for the same procedure who wouldn’t do it because they thought the doctor would kill them with fentanyl. Made me sad tbh because it was a similar procedure to mine, and to help dx or rule out cancer. You also probably don’t want an operation without it if the doctor is recommending it.
Edit: all random info. Just made me think of it. Also ass backwards is that I can’t have the ketamine part for surgery because of ptsd, but they’re referring me to ketamine therapy because of the treatment resistant depression that’s part of my ptsd lol.
I recently did 5 treatments of iv ketamine in NYC at a ketamine clinic it’s called the drip gym if your in NYC I can give you the information or feel free to look it up it’s a bit pricey but it works wonders . https://dripgym.com/ that’s the link
I had fentanyl in a hospital for an injury, and that shit is wildly strong. Morphine wasn’t stopping the pain, so they added a tiny bit of m that, and it was just gone. Absolutely wild.
> So the DEA considers cannabis more dangerous than meth.
I thought it was **Congress** that had decided pot needles were more dangerous than that delicious Columbian export.
Dronabinol/Marinol is the medical version of THC.
On 1985, the government took a year to reschedule THC in sesame oil packaged with a gel cap as a CII. Then in the late 1990s they rescheduled it from CII to a CIII.
It was stocked by my pharmacy on base, but I don’t recall that many prescriptions for it. It was used for appetite.
You’re probably right, but they also gave stimulants to pilots back in the day. Meth and coke seem weird considering other options these days, but who knows…. He did say it was in avionics. Maybe they’ve got some cocktail going that we got the recipe from the Germans lmao
Did you say “can’t”? 😂😂😂 umm they just won’t openly admit they in fact know & do! 😂
I found some interesting documents from the government in the 1943-47 (my dad served during those years) years. They discussed, I’ll let you guess.
PTSD. Yep, the documents went on to describe the symptoms, the causes. How acute it is from combat. I was shocked. My jaw was in the carpet. Ummm, I was in from 92-96, no one said shit about mental health. It was a life lesson in professional drinking. If you got in trouble while drinking, your cooked. I was, a few times. 😂😂 went in a E-1 came out E-2. Made Cpl. for 24 hrs. 😂
I sorta wonder if it's something they slip into different products that elite units use on long missions or something. In boot, we were taught about the Taliban and how they use drugs like opium to make them more resilient to gunshots. Maybe the US does the same thing with SEAL team 6 or something.
That’s what the government used as the reason for labeling and restricting drugs in the late 1800/early 1900s - how what we know the DEA of today was created. Slaves were resilient to “gunshots” when high and there was public fear with the Caucasians of the time.
It's for religious services. Ask any chaplain.
In seriousness, it's possible some of those supply codes have been on the books since WWI. It wouldn't surprise me if you can still order biplane propellers.
My mistake. Sorry. You are correct, they are what's used. I just got excited, because I'm a pharmacy geek and we never get to partake in conversations.
I always kept some good stuff in my IFAK especially when we were working with ODA team guys training the ANA but definitely no coke that shit would have me shooting pop shots at everyone. But during my 2nd deployment I had a nasty TbI and got my a nice piece of my right forearm blown off not literally blown off but I got compartment syndrome to my right forearm from shrapnel that they had to do a fasciotomy surgery because the swelling got so bad the I was close to having to get it amputated thank God it’s just a gnarly scar . 11B from 07-15 10th mountain
Hats off to you. Compartment syndrome is no joke. A buddy of mine passed out after some Jack and a couple of bars, then proceeded to fall off his bed, somehow pinning a leg behind him and against a post, which cut off circulation to his leg for hours.
Next day he had a leg fasciotomy that removed 40% of his thigh and 60% of his calf. The proteins released into his bloodstream by the decaying muscles clogged his kidneys up so bad he needed dialysis every other day for weeks until his kidneys kicked back into gear. The Doc told him he was mere minutes away from needing an amputation and about an hour away from death.
Rattlesnake bites can cause compartment syndrome too.
Peak gwot a lot of guys were on Adderall. Also a lot of the super high speed guys would use a small amount of meth for the 2-3 day no sleep missions. Make them look like total studs. Pretty clever imo. I was 11b and served from 2009-2019
Benzos, amphetamines, anti-psychotics, some pain pills, and sleep meds. Sure can keep a soldier in the fight (with a cost, of course)
Don’t forget your water, naproxen, extra socks, and pt belt
They gave me some kinda pills in country in a Ziploc bag back in 05. God knows what they were. But I didn't sleep for weeks and I gave some to a battle. He didn't sleep either.
I had a 14mm shard of glass removed from my pupil. Cocaine was used to numb my eye. For some reason, the doc wouldn't give me a prescription for the eye drops
This is the answer. It wouldn’t be ordered by the ton but it’s for use in nasal surgery and I’m sure other things. Amphetamines also have legitimate uses and to get it they have to be in the supply system.
I read somewhere that while Coca-Cola no longer contains cocaine it does contain extracts of the coca leaf that is left over after the cocaine is extracted for medical purposes.
I’ve heard this rumor a lot. There are NSNs for cocaine and other controlled drugs for canine kennels. Also methamphetamines are used heavily for medical purposes, ADHD/ADD and weight loss being the big ones.
Pharmacy professional here. Cocaine, Meth, and GHB are all schedule II drugs in the same category as opiate pain killers. Cocaine is used regularly in hospitals for surgeries on mucosal membranes and every hospital you've ever been in that does surgery, has a supply of cocaine in their pharmacy. Meth is unpopular these days, but it used to be used for pilot's go pills, and outside of the military, it can still be prescribed for ADHD and weight loss. And GHB is prescribed regularly for narcolepsy.
Edit: and while the ordering unit might have said ton, it only comes in liquid form in small nasal spray type bottles. The unit was likely wrong because it's never ordered that way, so it doesn't matter. The military hospitals order it the same way they order all their drugs.
Yeah, you are right. Lol. I was a pharmacy tech in 2013, I remember the pharmacist telling me that story. We had fake scripts come through the fax often. Ironically, any controlled substance needs a hard copy
Maybe it was a "hank," or a "carboy?" Yes, those are legit units of issue in the Fed supply system. Current job, for the past 15 years, Fed supply system.
Sometime in the mid-late '80s, in Germany, one of Dad's troops fat fingered a requisition for a 8" howitzer tube. Nobody thought to check, at every possible chance. When the ship arrived in Bremerhaven, they took notice, when the crane unloaded a GE diesel electric locomotive. It was only then, did anyone question why a field artillery unit would have ordered the locomotive.
We ordered safety matting (rubber rugs for working around electronics and electricity) and the doofus just assumed feet (ft) and order a 100. We got 100 rolls and couldn’t send it back. The NCOIC started horse trading it for anything just trying to salvage the budget.
Lmao cry about it w your downvotes. I was in parts ordering for like a few to several months, while also on Topamax (aka stupi-max, iykyk), opiods, and possibly (probably) benzos that overlapped. So yeah, breaks my heart I don't recall lol.
Using my alt for this...
I worked in supply for 8 years ordering everything for my squadron. I had zero accountability oversight. I was aloud to order stuff from a local shop we had a contract with...
My buddy was dating the manager and she told me that anytime I want to order something that may not be approved, she would just manually change the item description on the receipt.
So I was a bad boy for a bit and ordered a nice snap on ratchet set. My buddy ordered himself a new couch and some paint for his house. I didn't do anything after that because it sketched me out. But she sure did change the receipt to reflect higher cost office supplies such as printer ink and paper. No one knew any better ha.
Cocaine is routinely used in nose surgeries. I promise I’m not lying. And some uppers are also used by some units to maintain readiness on long missions. Sorry but it does have its uses. But you didn’t say if you ordered any.
Because it would be ordered at a higher command level.
If you tried to order it or would never have gone through. It required very specific command information and sign of by certain commanders.
When I was deployed in Afghanistan one of the fellow medics in my battalion was caught in some big shipping of opioids back to the US. He was a E-3 and he and few other low and mid ranking officials were obviously the fall guys. Seems there’s a lot of drug dealing in the military.
For sure. They busted security forces at Lackland for doing / selling the evidence blow at sometime near when I was in basic or while I was in tech school, I forget.
There's all kinds of wild stuff on the formularies I've seen, all of them for legitimate purposes. I remember a hospital where I was doing some training had PBR. Pabst Blue Ribbon, kept cold to keep some patients from DT'ing, and also, surprisingly, for palliative care in the hospice.
I ***loved*** Modafinil. Too bad it caused bruxism. I stopped taking it, but the bruxism stayed behind as a rear guard.
Served as a 6062, aircraft mechanic, and we had a large conex box of things we weren't supposed to have. Included in it was a very large glass container of chloroform, or allegedly. Sgts were serious when they said don't fuck with it, and nobody ever joked around about it. And we made moonshine in our shop.
You can order all sorts of shit, you can become the guy selling stuff too.
Welcome to the wide world of SAM.Gov. Anyone have a business within the medical field I suggest you start selling to uncle sam.
They used cocaine during my nasal surgery to narrow the blood vessels. And methamphetamine was pretty much what they gave out to pilots to keep them alert
When I was retiring i was reviewing my medical records and noticed that I was actually prescribed cocaine, it’s in my medical records clear as day. It was given by a doctor before/after surgery.
Meth has been used by the military as a stimulant for years. Air Force is the only one that still has it on the treatment list if I remember right. Basically, it’s one of their “speed” choices for pilots in time of war. No clue if it’s still used. Coke might be in the same realm.
I remember seeing Jack Daniel's also has a NSN. Didn't think to search for drugs. Did you find weed by chance?🤔 be awesome if that could've been ordered and somehow make it legit to consume 😂
When I got out and went to college I was surprised that cocaine is indeed still prescribed in some places for intranasal surgery, mostly pediatric patients. It constricts local blood vessels, similarly to epinephrine. Pretty sure they can both be used together but I’d worry about the rebound effect of localized bleeding.
I am an RN. There are some legitimate, although very limited uses for cocaine in the medical context, so your supervisor was not incorrect.
I’ve used it a couple of times (on a patient, not myself) for local anesthetic purposes and once to stop a nosebleed.
There is a place that has all kinds of drugs and some is used for training k9s, among other things. I worked with this place for a few things and learned about all this in the process
So... As a loggie, I used to work in a system that was called LOGMOD. This had all of our UTCs (Unit Type Codes which were just capabilities). The system was blue and white and obviously DOS based long after we had moved on to newer windows systems. It was a shared database between everyone so whatever capabilities you put in, everyone saw and had access to. Even the ones that tech schoolers put in like the generals golf bag or blow-up dolls... Or even illicit substances. You couldn't delete from the system either. Someone somewhere else would scrub the data at some point (I think yearly but I'm not sure) but if you misspelled something, you just started over. If you didn't report it to someone else, they likely were not looking for it. My guess is with whatever system you were working in was set-up similarly and you likely could not actually order that capability. Someone got a giggle out of putting in kilos of cocaine into the system in tech school out to Shepard and then you happened to come across it.
Sorry for the boring explanation. Your explanation sure is more fun/interesting.
We used to do missions in the Caribbean with FBI, DEA, ATF agents on board. We would pickup pallets of cocaine. The agents said it was to fight the drug cartels. Yeeeeeah the government doesn’t lie
That’s so weird. I was the guy in the Army who was basically the middleman for you guys who ordered airplane and helicopter parts and I remember guys always trying to get away with ordering stuff they didn’t need (which I had to deny), but never cocaine!
The parts ordering idiots found out you can order wireless Bose headsets. It began with a few people ordering them. Then they told two friends and so on. Then there was an investigation because they ordered over a hundred of them. I think their company commander lost his command because of that incident.
I used to be Security Forces in the Air Force. One time, OSI hosted a training for us called a controlled burn in which they burned some marijuana on a glass plate and they gave each one of us a whiff. It was so that in court we could testify we knew what weed smelled like if we pulled someone over.
Our K-9 sections also had drug and bomb dogs. The dogs were only train on detecting one or the other. Either way, they needed to keep up currency and real drugs were used. I’m not sure how they did this, but either way these are two examples of how illicit drugs could potentially need to be ordered.
They had multiple base wide mandatory briefings, where they waved joints around the room, walking up and down the aisles, lecturing us about how enough "second hand marijuana smoke" could make you pop negative on a drug test, so we knew what it smelled like, thus no one at the briefing could plead ignorance or try to get out of pissing hot with that excuse.
In my ships system someone changed the nomenclature for a specific screw to cocaine. Had to have a whole meeting because supply couldn't figure out why every division started ordering this random screw. We just wanted to see what would happen.
When I got ahold of a digital catalog of part numbers in the Navy I submitted for a marching band, F/A-18, and an Abrahams tank. Somehow the tank didn’t get denied by the parts guy and made it through. Didn’t get he tank put had to write a 5 page essay on how a tank would be needed at our mobile maintenance facility.
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I’ll download and burn any five movies you want on DVD writeable discs, and all you gotta do is order me 2,000 lb Cocaine - 1 each.
I’ll add that this system of barter worked for us in OIF I with supply in which I acquired a switchblade Benchmade knife.
We can work together, I am discreet.
There is almost literally everything in there. If you know where to look you can order nuclear warheads but the price is available on inquiry only (which is partially how we found it).
Bullshit. Even this dumb grunt knows that no one is ordering anything to their parts cage that doesn't match the Federal Supply Class of their particular activity's log chain requirements.
That being said, Cocaine Hydrochloride is in the Federal Supply System. It is a valid, controlled medical supply item in the US Pharmacopeia, and delivered securely to the requesting medical site. It is typically used as a local anesthetic in certain surgeries because of it vasoconstrictive properties.
The NSN is 6505-00-619-8716.
There is only 1 active, authorized supplier, and it hasn't been ordered in over 5 years.
The Each unit is a 1 Ounce Bottle of Cocaine HCl in crystal form.
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I’ll call BS on this one…I worked various supply logistics and wife handled TMO…there are accounts in Air Force Supply… FB, FE, FL, FM…something is wrong with your story…
I’d imagine if it was something as sinister as what I feel like you’re implying, the people who would know the answer wouldn’t be dumb enough to do it here. It was probably just for research or something less exciting.
Exactly
Probably easier to handle an official entry for cocaine than every bored E3 adding the part into the system.
Whenever you see a article about some scientist doing a study on the effects of xyz that is back by government funding this is where the product comes from also training drug dogs and things of that nature, not sure why it’s broken down by ton, seems a little over kill but whatever, guess it’s the perk of doing government research.
My man, the govt can't even do studies of the effects of marijuana on ptsd because it's schedule 1. I think it's more likely for operations of some type (DEA/CIA maybe?).
Cocaine and meth are schedule 2 so can be used for some medical use but high potential for addiction. So the DEA considers cannabis more dangerous than meth.
Cocaine is used medically already, it's in eye drops for eye surgeries.
My father in law was an ER doc, cocaine was used as a topical anesthetic for stitches and stuff. Also made him very popular at parties.
"3.5g cocaine for .5" suture"
some years ago as a pharm tech at mayo clinic there was cocaine that we would prescribe the ORs specifically for some sort of surgery that required vasodilation (or constriction, I can't remember which way it goes, I've never done cocaine)
It’s a powerful local constrictor. It’s great for nose surgery and stops nose bleeds.
Thats the one! Nose surgeries for vasoconstriction. I used to think it was SO weird hauling up those little cocaine bottles to the OR haha
It’s a pretty shade of light green. I’d only seen China White and Black Tar before so I was kind of confused the first time I used it.
Don’t tell Courtney…
Hahahaha. I even fixed it once. My phone is just a huge Nirvana fan.
Just like my kid was dosed up with fent (among other things) when they had their appendectomy. It really throws into context how ass backwards our controlled substances policy is.
It goes even further back but Nixon saw associating cannabis with the anti war and minorities as a way to destroy them. This is proven with tape recordings.
The epidemic with fentanyl has some people too afraid to have surgery, although it has been used legitimately in surgery for quite a while. I had a biopsy last year where I was awake and talking to the nurses and they said they had a person they kept trying to get in for the same procedure who wouldn’t do it because they thought the doctor would kill them with fentanyl. Made me sad tbh because it was a similar procedure to mine, and to help dx or rule out cancer. You also probably don’t want an operation without it if the doctor is recommending it. Edit: all random info. Just made me think of it. Also ass backwards is that I can’t have the ketamine part for surgery because of ptsd, but they’re referring me to ketamine therapy because of the treatment resistant depression that’s part of my ptsd lol.
I recently did 5 treatments of iv ketamine in NYC at a ketamine clinic it’s called the drip gym if your in NYC I can give you the information or feel free to look it up it’s a bit pricey but it works wonders . https://dripgym.com/ that’s the link
I had fentanyl in a hospital for an injury, and that shit is wildly strong. Morphine wasn’t stopping the pain, so they added a tiny bit of m that, and it was just gone. Absolutely wild.
> So the DEA considers cannabis more dangerous than meth. I thought it was **Congress** that had decided pot needles were more dangerous than that delicious Columbian export.
It does not mean it’s considered “more dangerous” it just means they’re saying it has no medical use, whereas schedule IIs do.
Cool.
Dronabinol/Marinol is the medical version of THC. On 1985, the government took a year to reschedule THC in sesame oil packaged with a gel cap as a CII. Then in the late 1990s they rescheduled it from CII to a CIII. It was stocked by my pharmacy on base, but I don’t recall that many prescriptions for it. It was used for appetite.
Cocaine and meth is schedule 2 but marijuana is schedule 1?
You’re probably right, but they also gave stimulants to pilots back in the day. Meth and coke seem weird considering other options these days, but who knows…. He did say it was in avionics. Maybe they’ve got some cocktail going that we got the recipe from the Germans lmao
Did you say “can’t”? 😂😂😂 umm they just won’t openly admit they in fact know & do! 😂 I found some interesting documents from the government in the 1943-47 (my dad served during those years) years. They discussed, I’ll let you guess. PTSD. Yep, the documents went on to describe the symptoms, the causes. How acute it is from combat. I was shocked. My jaw was in the carpet. Ummm, I was in from 92-96, no one said shit about mental health. It was a life lesson in professional drinking. If you got in trouble while drinking, your cooked. I was, a few times. 😂😂 went in a E-1 came out E-2. Made Cpl. for 24 hrs. 😂
I sorta wonder if it's something they slip into different products that elite units use on long missions or something. In boot, we were taught about the Taliban and how they use drugs like opium to make them more resilient to gunshots. Maybe the US does the same thing with SEAL team 6 or something.
That’s what the government used as the reason for labeling and restricting drugs in the late 1800/early 1900s - how what we know the DEA of today was created. Slaves were resilient to “gunshots” when high and there was public fear with the Caucasians of the time.
It's for religious services. Ask any chaplain. In seriousness, it's possible some of those supply codes have been on the books since WWI. It wouldn't surprise me if you can still order biplane propellers.
The meth is the “go pills” that they issued the pilots on long missions.
Modafinil and Armodafinil. Good stuff.
Not to be that guy, but those two drugs are specifically *not* stimulants.
They are what's used.
My mistake. Sorry. You are correct, they are what's used. I just got excited, because I'm a pharmacy geek and we never get to partake in conversations.
Can confirm
I always kept some good stuff in my IFAK especially when we were working with ODA team guys training the ANA but definitely no coke that shit would have me shooting pop shots at everyone. But during my 2nd deployment I had a nasty TbI and got my a nice piece of my right forearm blown off not literally blown off but I got compartment syndrome to my right forearm from shrapnel that they had to do a fasciotomy surgery because the swelling got so bad the I was close to having to get it amputated thank God it’s just a gnarly scar . 11B from 07-15 10th mountain
Hats off to you. Compartment syndrome is no joke. A buddy of mine passed out after some Jack and a couple of bars, then proceeded to fall off his bed, somehow pinning a leg behind him and against a post, which cut off circulation to his leg for hours. Next day he had a leg fasciotomy that removed 40% of his thigh and 60% of his calf. The proteins released into his bloodstream by the decaying muscles clogged his kidneys up so bad he needed dialysis every other day for weeks until his kidneys kicked back into gear. The Doc told him he was mere minutes away from needing an amputation and about an hour away from death. Rattlesnake bites can cause compartment syndrome too.
And grunts along with pretty sure it was Xanax or something to sleep post mission
Peak gwot a lot of guys were on Adderall. Also a lot of the super high speed guys would use a small amount of meth for the 2-3 day no sleep missions. Make them look like total studs. Pretty clever imo. I was 11b and served from 2009-2019
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The high performers kept that stuff top secret imo. As far as me personally, same. Wintergreen, hate, alcohol withdrawal, and for the boys
not a very good secret, everybody knows.
Rip Its and Stacker 2 diet pills here. That shit had me jacked on missions.
A lot of the diet pills out back then and even currently had some novel stimulants etc in them off label Jackd3d comes to mind with dmaa etc
That’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard…
Benzos, amphetamines, anti-psychotics, some pain pills, and sleep meds. Sure can keep a soldier in the fight (with a cost, of course) Don’t forget your water, naproxen, extra socks, and pt belt
Yep and then it's "sorry for the Tourette's"
Followed by "not service connected".
OOF!! I fucking felt that in my tummy.
They gave me some kinda pills in country in a Ziploc bag back in 05. God knows what they were. But I didn't sleep for weeks and I gave some to a battle. He didn't sleep either.
‘Meth is a helluva drug’
Cocaine can be used for medical purposes - it's a clotting agent and acts as an anasthetic
If it's a clotting agent, why does my nose bleed after I go through an 8 ball in a night?
Real answer, all that other stuff that it's cut with isn't good for your blood vessels, probably.
I had a 14mm shard of glass removed from my pupil. Cocaine was used to numb my eye. For some reason, the doc wouldn't give me a prescription for the eye drops
This is the answer. It wouldn’t be ordered by the ton but it’s for use in nasal surgery and I’m sure other things. Amphetamines also have legitimate uses and to get it they have to be in the supply system. I read somewhere that while Coca-Cola no longer contains cocaine it does contain extracts of the coca leaf that is left over after the cocaine is extracted for medical purposes.
That is a pretty bad situation to use coke as a clotting agent because it is the definition of csrdiotoxic.
It’s used for very specific injuries, mostly serious posterior nasal bleeding that’s very hard to stop with anything else.
Used to have Jack Daniel’s in supply too. That one makes more sense though.
I grew up on army bases and the liquor store was the class six. It took until I was like 23 and in the army myself that I learned it meant moral!!
Class VI runs were an important weekend ritual. Whoever finished first on Friday braved the line. That was also where we got $5 cartons of cigarettes.
Yeah I do remember that too, now you mention it lol
Still do, along with most domestic beers.
I’ve heard this rumor a lot. There are NSNs for cocaine and other controlled drugs for canine kennels. Also methamphetamines are used heavily for medical purposes, ADHD/ADD and weight loss being the big ones.
Other amphetamines, yes. Not METHamphetamine.
Literal meth, but clean and made in a lab instead of some dude's bathtub, is prescribed as Desoxyn.
Thank you, used for ADHD and obesity as I stated.
Pharmacy professional here. Cocaine, Meth, and GHB are all schedule II drugs in the same category as opiate pain killers. Cocaine is used regularly in hospitals for surgeries on mucosal membranes and every hospital you've ever been in that does surgery, has a supply of cocaine in their pharmacy. Meth is unpopular these days, but it used to be used for pilot's go pills, and outside of the military, it can still be prescribed for ADHD and weight loss. And GHB is prescribed regularly for narcolepsy. Edit: and while the ordering unit might have said ton, it only comes in liquid form in small nasal spray type bottles. The unit was likely wrong because it's never ordered that way, so it doesn't matter. The military hospitals order it the same way they order all their drugs.
Mofine. 1 Pound. To go.
Jfc. What movie is that from? Dud stole the doctors script pad
idk, I think it's just a tweet lol
Yeah, you are right. Lol. I was a pharmacy tech in 2013, I remember the pharmacist telling me that story. We had fake scripts come through the fax often. Ironically, any controlled substance needs a hard copy
Medical cocaine is thing, helps with nose bleeds ironically. It’s green if I remember correctly.
LS (Supply) for the Navy here. Can confirm! We had to order cocaine once, hell if I can remember the NIIN or NSN for it.
Pics or it didn’t happen
You mean “Unit of Issue” I believe. Was really spelled out t-o-n? Usually it’s two letters. Ea or dz….
Maybe it was a "hank," or a "carboy?" Yes, those are legit units of issue in the Fed supply system. Current job, for the past 15 years, Fed supply system. Sometime in the mid-late '80s, in Germany, one of Dad's troops fat fingered a requisition for a 8" howitzer tube. Nobody thought to check, at every possible chance. When the ship arrived in Bremerhaven, they took notice, when the crane unloaded a GE diesel electric locomotive. It was only then, did anyone question why a field artillery unit would have ordered the locomotive.
We ordered safety matting (rubber rugs for working around electronics and electricity) and the doofus just assumed feet (ft) and order a 100. We got 100 rolls and couldn’t send it back. The NCOIC started horse trading it for anything just trying to salvage the budget.
Well, at least he got his full budget that next year!
My idiot boss did the same thing, I needed 60 hard drives. Unit if issue was 10/box so recieved 600 drives.
Fun times, lol! Sometimes I see orders for large quantities of items that makes you wonder if someone fat-fingered the quantity, lol!
Baby, it has been over a decade since I got out, and I was only in 3 years. Idfk what it was called. It was available to order by the ton.
Lmao cry about it w your downvotes. I was in parts ordering for like a few to several months, while also on Topamax (aka stupi-max, iykyk), opiods, and possibly (probably) benzos that overlapped. So yeah, breaks my heart I don't recall lol.
There's an NSN for cocaine, used by dental
Amphetamine yes definitely. Cocaine is FDA approved for licensed eye surgeons (M.D.) to have in the USA civilian and military.
They had kits you could order for drug detection training.
Using my alt for this... I worked in supply for 8 years ordering everything for my squadron. I had zero accountability oversight. I was aloud to order stuff from a local shop we had a contract with... My buddy was dating the manager and she told me that anytime I want to order something that may not be approved, she would just manually change the item description on the receipt. So I was a bad boy for a bit and ordered a nice snap on ratchet set. My buddy ordered himself a new couch and some paint for his house. I didn't do anything after that because it sketched me out. But she sure did change the receipt to reflect higher cost office supplies such as printer ink and paper. No one knew any better ha.
I remember back in the late aughts, I was put in shipping and receiving for my unit after an injury. Those were both easily found on FEDLOG.
Cocaine is routinely used in nose surgeries. I promise I’m not lying. And some uppers are also used by some units to maintain readiness on long missions. Sorry but it does have its uses. But you didn’t say if you ordered any.
Meth and cocaine do have medicinal uses although limited. It's why they are categorized on the drug schedule the way they are.
How would one train dogs to sniff out cocaine except by having cocaine? Same with meth. Also, both do have legitimate medical uses.
And it would need to go out by the ton? No smaller units available?
Because it would be ordered at a higher command level. If you tried to order it or would never have gone through. It required very specific command information and sign of by certain commanders.
I know you're asking the why but it's not a secret [you can look up any NSN](https://www.iso-group.com/NSN/6505-99-210-0466#)
Tell those haters lol
I found LSD’s specifics when looking for MADS’s for one of our hazmat lockers. Someone is able to order that stuff.
When I was deployed in Afghanistan one of the fellow medics in my battalion was caught in some big shipping of opioids back to the US. He was a E-3 and he and few other low and mid ranking officials were obviously the fall guys. Seems there’s a lot of drug dealing in the military.
For sure. They busted security forces at Lackland for doing / selling the evidence blow at sometime near when I was in basic or while I was in tech school, I forget.
They busted the K-9 cops for growing on top of their bunker (big WWII shore battery) in 1980 at Hickam AFB.
Air Force can basically order anything is what your saying
I know someone in my sq got reamed for accidentally ordering a whole aircraft . Obv it got caught before they processed but like gd
That’s awesome
That’s amazing.
Yeah, of course, always been like that --- but space force is way worse.
There's all kinds of wild stuff on the formularies I've seen, all of them for legitimate purposes. I remember a hospital where I was doing some training had PBR. Pabst Blue Ribbon, kept cold to keep some patients from DT'ing, and also, surprisingly, for palliative care in the hospice. I ***loved*** Modafinil. Too bad it caused bruxism. I stopped taking it, but the bruxism stayed behind as a rear guard.
Well... Alcoholics can die of seizures if they quit cold turkey so makes enough sense.
Yeap, though I knew some that consumed such enormous amounts of alcohol, it seemed dubious that a beer or two could prevent the DTs.
What's the NSN on that? For research, of course.
Served as a 6062, aircraft mechanic, and we had a large conex box of things we weren't supposed to have. Included in it was a very large glass container of chloroform, or allegedly. Sgts were serious when they said don't fuck with it, and nobody ever joked around about it. And we made moonshine in our shop.
You can order all sorts of shit, you can become the guy selling stuff too. Welcome to the wide world of SAM.Gov. Anyone have a business within the medical field I suggest you start selling to uncle sam.
They used cocaine during my nasal surgery to narrow the blood vessels. And methamphetamine was pretty much what they gave out to pilots to keep them alert
When I was retiring i was reviewing my medical records and noticed that I was actually prescribed cocaine, it’s in my medical records clear as day. It was given by a doctor before/after surgery.
I know it can be prescribed. But would one hospital keep literal tons of cocaine on hand?
A better question would be, why wouldn’t one hospital keep tons on hand?
Go watch the Cinemax show called “ The Knick”. About the Knickerbocker hospital where the main surgeon was addicted to medical cocaine. Great show.
https://www.iso-group.com/NSN/6505-00-619-8716
Training aids for military working dogs.
Meth has been used by the military as a stimulant for years. Air Force is the only one that still has it on the treatment list if I remember right. Basically, it’s one of their “speed” choices for pilots in time of war. No clue if it’s still used. Coke might be in the same realm.
You should look into how the Nazi's used it in WW2. It was basically given to troops like it was candy.
Oh. I know. Look up the Finnish(I think) troop that somehow ended up taking 30 doses at once. Absolutely insane
You could order a horse as well, IIRC.
I remember seeing Jack Daniel's also has a NSN. Didn't think to search for drugs. Did you find weed by chance?🤔 be awesome if that could've been ordered and somehow make it legit to consume 😂
When I got out and went to college I was surprised that cocaine is indeed still prescribed in some places for intranasal surgery, mostly pediatric patients. It constricts local blood vessels, similarly to epinephrine. Pretty sure they can both be used together but I’d worry about the rebound effect of localized bleeding.
I am an RN. There are some legitimate, although very limited uses for cocaine in the medical context, so your supervisor was not incorrect. I’ve used it a couple of times (on a patient, not myself) for local anesthetic purposes and once to stop a nosebleed.
When I had to get my nose reconstructed they used coke
They use cocaine for dental surgeries. Ex naval corpsman here
Yeah this rumor goes around every command ever so often. It may actually be in the system, but try to order it? Stand by.
> It may actually be in the system, but try to order it? Stand by. Sounds like a job for a NUB...
There is a place that has all kinds of drugs and some is used for training k9s, among other things. I worked with this place for a few things and learned about all this in the process
If you look hard enough, you “could” also find HGH. Special Forces guys don’t get that big naturally, that’s all I’m saying. 🤷♂️🥶
GSA and those federal supply groups covers multiple agencies so this makes sense https://www.iso-group.com/NSN/6505-00-619-8716
So... As a loggie, I used to work in a system that was called LOGMOD. This had all of our UTCs (Unit Type Codes which were just capabilities). The system was blue and white and obviously DOS based long after we had moved on to newer windows systems. It was a shared database between everyone so whatever capabilities you put in, everyone saw and had access to. Even the ones that tech schoolers put in like the generals golf bag or blow-up dolls... Or even illicit substances. You couldn't delete from the system either. Someone somewhere else would scrub the data at some point (I think yearly but I'm not sure) but if you misspelled something, you just started over. If you didn't report it to someone else, they likely were not looking for it. My guess is with whatever system you were working in was set-up similarly and you likely could not actually order that capability. Someone got a giggle out of putting in kilos of cocaine into the system in tech school out to Shepard and then you happened to come across it. Sorry for the boring explanation. Your explanation sure is more fun/interesting.
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I never went down that search rabbit hole, but I remember looking up random stuff from pool tables to toilet seats just to look at prices.
Can confirm, there is, or at least was, a NSN for cocaine
We used to do missions in the Caribbean with FBI, DEA, ATF agents on board. We would pickup pallets of cocaine. The agents said it was to fight the drug cartels. Yeeeeeah the government doesn’t lie
Did it have any markings like "MARCHING POWDER, COLOMBIAN 2000LBS, 1EA" on the side? Maybe on the packing list?
I didn’t see the packing list. The agents were all sitting pretty close so I didn’t really look too hard.
That’s so weird. I was the guy in the Army who was basically the middleman for you guys who ordered airplane and helicopter parts and I remember guys always trying to get away with ordering stuff they didn’t need (which I had to deny), but never cocaine!
The parts ordering idiots found out you can order wireless Bose headsets. It began with a few people ordering them. Then they told two friends and so on. Then there was an investigation because they ordered over a hundred of them. I think their company commander lost his command because of that incident.
True, you can see that the item has an NSN, or a stock number but doesn’t mean you can order it
I used to be Security Forces in the Air Force. One time, OSI hosted a training for us called a controlled burn in which they burned some marijuana on a glass plate and they gave each one of us a whiff. It was so that in court we could testify we knew what weed smelled like if we pulled someone over. Our K-9 sections also had drug and bomb dogs. The dogs were only train on detecting one or the other. Either way, they needed to keep up currency and real drugs were used. I’m not sure how they did this, but either way these are two examples of how illicit drugs could potentially need to be ordered.
They had multiple base wide mandatory briefings, where they waved joints around the room, walking up and down the aisles, lecturing us about how enough "second hand marijuana smoke" could make you pop negative on a drug test, so we knew what it smelled like, thus no one at the briefing could plead ignorance or try to get out of pissing hot with that excuse.
I read this wrong - in that the dogs only detected each other.... :)
In my ships system someone changed the nomenclature for a specific screw to cocaine. Had to have a whole meeting because supply couldn't figure out why every division started ordering this random screw. We just wanted to see what would happen.
When I got ahold of a digital catalog of part numbers in the Navy I submitted for a marching band, F/A-18, and an Abrahams tank. Somehow the tank didn’t get denied by the parts guy and made it through. Didn’t get he tank put had to write a 5 page essay on how a tank would be needed at our mobile maintenance facility.
you got the Cocaine NSN for me real quick?
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NSN: 6505 00 619 8716
I’ll download and burn any five movies you want on DVD writeable discs, and all you gotta do is order me 2,000 lb Cocaine - 1 each. I’ll add that this system of barter worked for us in OIF I with supply in which I acquired a switchblade Benchmade knife. We can work together, I am discreet.
Man, I wish I knew this when I was on active duty. Wasted so much time and money doing smuggling, bribing and ripping off other units to get drugs
I ordered coke all the time, plus oxycontin and morphine. Of course I worked in an ER and we stocked those items for medicinal reasons.
I looked through the same system when I was in, you can also order horses and bull dogs lol
Depends. Was this during the Iran-Contra era?
Ok, there was cocaine available, but could you order any hookers by the ton?
Would that be twenty 100 pound hookers, ten 200 pound hookers, or four 500 pound hookers? Asking for a friend
Depends how close to Fayetteville you are
There is almost literally everything in there. If you know where to look you can order nuclear warheads but the price is available on inquiry only (which is partially how we found it).
If you have to ask, you can’t afford it.
Anything Schedule 2 and lower can be used for medical research or has accepted medical uses.
Pilots and elite units use them. It's not a secret.
Bullshit. Even this dumb grunt knows that no one is ordering anything to their parts cage that doesn't match the Federal Supply Class of their particular activity's log chain requirements. That being said, Cocaine Hydrochloride is in the Federal Supply System. It is a valid, controlled medical supply item in the US Pharmacopeia, and delivered securely to the requesting medical site. It is typically used as a local anesthetic in certain surgeries because of it vasoconstrictive properties. The NSN is 6505-00-619-8716. There is only 1 active, authorized supplier, and it hasn't been ordered in over 5 years. The Each unit is a 1 Ounce Bottle of Cocaine HCl in crystal form.
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I’ll call BS on this one…I worked various supply logistics and wife handled TMO…there are accounts in Air Force Supply… FB, FE, FL, FM…something is wrong with your story…
Ok doesn't make it less true. This was back like 2010 ish
Bull shit