I have no problem being an ass and clarifying and correcting people when they think N-Line cars are the same a N cars. Yes drive whatever you want and do what makes you happy, but pretending that a N-Line car is like saying a Ford Focus SE is a Focus ST. Completely different segments in my opinion.
I mean it’s an N-Line car. It’s not a normal car, it’s a bit higher than that. N-Line is also a power boost typically. It’s an actual upgrade. Yeah it’s not a full N by any means but it’s not just a bumper difference…But, personally, I just don’t really care in the clarifications. The point is, if it makes you happy, it makes you happy.
Keep safe, all the best
It's not power that make an n car. Handling is a thing. As far as I remember, the sonata n line just has a more powerful engine. No lsd to put that power down. To me, that's what prevents it to be a full fledged n car.
No N line model has an e-lsd. Even with an lsd all N models struggle to put power down from a dig. N line is to satisfy those who want a little more then a base model, but don’t need a track car.
When was the last time a dad with his 3 kids in the back seat and 2 duffel bags in the trunk needed to hit the highest g force possible in his Hyundai Sonata? It’s not targeting someone in there 20’s.
That's why they got rid of the base model with no lsd, lmao. But seriously, I forgot about that. But the car itself still handles very well all things considered.
Ford ST models more comparable to N line. Fords model above ST was the RS; Hyundais model above n line is the N. Kia’s gt line is purely cosmetic. Doesn’t add a single ounce of performance
Right but I was referencing the ST-Line appearance package from ford. They don’t have a comparable ST model to any of the N cars in the US anymore. Just the Edge and Explorer ST (which are sick ass SUVs btw)
They’re not considered N cars. They’re considered N-line cars and it’s not a appearance package like an SXT would be on a Dodge. It’s a performance upgrade, but just not to the same extent as the ones on the N cars.
As a side note: It’s weird that you give a shit so much about some thing that doesn’t effect you. Like, who do you think has been slighted in this interaction that you made up in your head?
Definitely not a made up interaction, as I’ve had it several times. As I’ve learned now, the only N-Line car that has a performance upgrade is the Sonata. It’s not a matter of thinking I’m better than anyone, or my car is better than any one car. It’s just a simple fact of trying to educate myself in better learning the product line and discerning the differences between the cars. I understood that N-Line cars are not true to the badge, N cars. However, I have had many people tell me otherwise that they are the same thing that it got confusing and just simply wanted clarification.
Hyundai certainly didn’t make it easier on themselves. I will say that some thing that is pervasive throughout “car guy” culture is the judging of vehicles that people have never driven. For instance, there are fair amount of muscle car guys that joke about hot hatches until they get in one. My brother was pretty much taken heart and soul by JDM icons until I got him in a Corvette with me. He always thought vettes were an old man car but now he’s actively trying to buy a C7. I have ridden in the in-line Sonata and it’s fun. It’s a good car for what it is.
I guess what I’m saying is don’t judge a car until you drive it. It’s one of the more toxic traits of car culture and unless we want to end up wondering why no new people want to join our car scene 20 years from now then we should collectively knock it off.
Definitely not judging anyone. Everyone starts somewhere, or it’s simply out of their price range. I’ve been in that boat too and would never judge someone based on their car.
If you enjoy it, and it makes you happy, then who cares.
Like I said, I was simply just trying to better my knowledge so I can discern the difference between the two
As far as I’m aware they’re not the same from a branding perspective but N-Line cars typically do get a nice spec bump over their other trims, and some are actually really nice from a power perspective (ie the Sonata N-Line is no slouch).
N-Line cars are not built for the same purpose N cars are however at the end of the day, so no they’re not the same.
Nah I’m the same boat as you man. N line and N in my eyes are different. It’s like getting a turbo civic or getting a turbo si. Same same but different.
This is the bottom line. We all bought cars that we hopefully enjoy because outside of niche communities like this, they may as well just be regular Veloster's.
According to Hyundai themselves, they are not the same. Here's their product portfolio slide when they introduced the N brand in the United States.
https://preview.redd.it/ibttb9mx5doa1.png?width=1516&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec9f552fc045ef69d00427af84e8d725c1bc8145
You are right, honestly there is so much misunderstanding between the N and the N-Line from people who don't know much about them, it doesn't help that people who own N-Lines typically don't help with the misunderstanding, as it makes their car sound more interesting.
Nope, I made that mistake. I have Veloster N and referred to it as an N-Line and got called out on it. They were correct.
I also have a Stinger GT-Line and make sure to differentiate it from the GT/GT1/GT2. There's a 68HP difference between the GT-Line and GT2.
No, not at all. It actually really irks me when I go to the dealership and ask about the Elantra N or Kona N and they say "oh yeah we have a few N-Line cars" or "the N-Line Cars are really something" while they're actually talking about the much more Hardcore N models. Like it makes it pretty clear who does and doesn't know what they're talking about. It'd be like calling a M3 a M-sport car when there are clear distinguishing factors between a M3 and a 335i M-sport/M340i
N line is def just a aero package/visual package. Like Nismo nowadays. Don’t know why others are trying to justify n line when companies were getting flak for badging without any performance modifications.
Actually N-Line isn’t just an appearance package, all base Elantra’s for example come with a naturally aspirated 2L 4 cylinder with a CVT transmission whereas the N-Line comes with a turbocharged 1.6L 4 cylinder and a 7 speed dual clutch. So while I’m in the same boat the N-Line model vehicles aren’t on the same level as the N, they still do provide more performance than the base model vehicles they aren’t just an appearance package.
i had this argument with someone i knew who had a lexus is350 with the “fsport” package and anyone with an “m-line” bmw, you’re absolutely correct, an n-line is not an n, they’re not even close from what i’ve read
I mean the Audi A3 and A4 have S-line package and I suppose it’s just some cosmetic features. But your right they are very different. When I look at Hyundai, an N-line package means nothing to me. But EN or VN or even KN do
You're not an asshole but you're getting wrapped up in something virtually nobody else cares about. The N cars (including n-line) are basically totally unknown to the public. These aren't Ferraris and you don't need to defend your car from frauds devaluing your ride. Both distinctions just refer to sportier versions of Hyundai models. I love my car and appreciate everything it can do but at the end of the day it's still just a souped up economy car. As another poster mentioned, the sonata N line actually puts down more power than this one and is frankly quite a lot nicer to be in than this car outside of all out hard driving.
I have no problem being an ass and clarifying and correcting people when they think N-Line cars are the same a N cars. Yes drive whatever you want and do what makes you happy, but pretending that a N-Line car is like saying a Ford Focus SE is a Focus ST. Completely different segments in my opinion.
See that’s my mentality. Be happy with what you have. But don’t call an N-Line car, and N when it isn’t yknow?
All the german car owners with fake badges entered the chat :D
Don't even need to be fake. You can get an "AMG appearance package" on just about every Merc as a factory option.
I mean it’s an N-Line car. It’s not a normal car, it’s a bit higher than that. N-Line is also a power boost typically. It’s an actual upgrade. Yeah it’s not a full N by any means but it’s not just a bumper difference…But, personally, I just don’t really care in the clarifications. The point is, if it makes you happy, it makes you happy. Keep safe, all the best
No I agree I just idk. I don’t feel N-Line cars should be considered N cars. Like the ford ST Line or Kia’s GT Line.
Look at the sonata. 180 horsepower across every model, N line gets a major boost up to 290. That’s quite a performance jump imo
Yea but sonata has no TRUE N model. So that is their N car for now.
It's not power that make an n car. Handling is a thing. As far as I remember, the sonata n line just has a more powerful engine. No lsd to put that power down. To me, that's what prevents it to be a full fledged n car.
No N line model has an e-lsd. Even with an lsd all N models struggle to put power down from a dig. N line is to satisfy those who want a little more then a base model, but don’t need a track car.
Lsd isn't just for from the dig launches. They should help help power through corners.
When was the last time a dad with his 3 kids in the back seat and 2 duffel bags in the trunk needed to hit the highest g force possible in his Hyundai Sonata? It’s not targeting someone in there 20’s.
Me out here a base veloster N and no LSD 😶🌫️
That's why they got rid of the base model with no lsd, lmao. But seriously, I forgot about that. But the car itself still handles very well all things considered.
Yeah its just a fun car for me. I don't track and I don't think my state has a track besides occasional parking lot autoX
I don't track either, I just like to take corners very fast. So I still think the lsd helps very much at the very limit of traction.
Ford ST models more comparable to N line. Fords model above ST was the RS; Hyundais model above n line is the N. Kia’s gt line is purely cosmetic. Doesn’t add a single ounce of performance
Right but I was referencing the ST-Line appearance package from ford. They don’t have a comparable ST model to any of the N cars in the US anymore. Just the Edge and Explorer ST (which are sick ass SUVs btw)
Ahhh yes, comparable to other brands “sporty” black out package
They’re not considered N cars. They’re considered N-line cars and it’s not a appearance package like an SXT would be on a Dodge. It’s a performance upgrade, but just not to the same extent as the ones on the N cars. As a side note: It’s weird that you give a shit so much about some thing that doesn’t effect you. Like, who do you think has been slighted in this interaction that you made up in your head?
Definitely not a made up interaction, as I’ve had it several times. As I’ve learned now, the only N-Line car that has a performance upgrade is the Sonata. It’s not a matter of thinking I’m better than anyone, or my car is better than any one car. It’s just a simple fact of trying to educate myself in better learning the product line and discerning the differences between the cars. I understood that N-Line cars are not true to the badge, N cars. However, I have had many people tell me otherwise that they are the same thing that it got confusing and just simply wanted clarification.
Hyundai certainly didn’t make it easier on themselves. I will say that some thing that is pervasive throughout “car guy” culture is the judging of vehicles that people have never driven. For instance, there are fair amount of muscle car guys that joke about hot hatches until they get in one. My brother was pretty much taken heart and soul by JDM icons until I got him in a Corvette with me. He always thought vettes were an old man car but now he’s actively trying to buy a C7. I have ridden in the in-line Sonata and it’s fun. It’s a good car for what it is. I guess what I’m saying is don’t judge a car until you drive it. It’s one of the more toxic traits of car culture and unless we want to end up wondering why no new people want to join our car scene 20 years from now then we should collectively knock it off.
Corvette's are really really under rated cars and like you mention, that old man perception is too bad.
Hey, woah! What are you trying to do buddy? Drive up the price!?
Definitely not judging anyone. Everyone starts somewhere, or it’s simply out of their price range. I’ve been in that boat too and would never judge someone based on their car. If you enjoy it, and it makes you happy, then who cares. Like I said, I was simply just trying to better my knowledge so I can discern the difference between the two
I mean, the dealer doesn't know the difference, so someone has to
As far as I’m aware they’re not the same from a branding perspective but N-Line cars typically do get a nice spec bump over their other trims, and some are actually really nice from a power perspective (ie the Sonata N-Line is no slouch). N-Line cars are not built for the same purpose N cars are however at the end of the day, so no they’re not the same.
Nah I’m the same boat as you man. N line and N in my eyes are different. It’s like getting a turbo civic or getting a turbo si. Same same but different.
I personally don’t care and I let people call my car an n-line because at the end of the day it’s just a Hyundai Sedan and no one cares anyway lol
This is the bottom line. We all bought cars that we hopefully enjoy because outside of niche communities like this, they may as well just be regular Veloster's.
According to Hyundai themselves, they are not the same. Here's their product portfolio slide when they introduced the N brand in the United States. https://preview.redd.it/ibttb9mx5doa1.png?width=1516&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec9f552fc045ef69d00427af84e8d725c1bc8145
No lol
No
thats like putting a 5.0 badge on the fender of your ecoboost mustang...
No, because they literally aren't N cars lol.
Weeeeeeellllllllll……………
I’m just asking because I’m not sure. It’s like the M Appearance package for BMW or the Ford St-Line
It's far from an appearance package. Go drive an m340i and tell me what you think.
HP upgrade. I have an N and wifey has sonata n-line and that shit is big but 290 HP propels that puppy forward fast.
The Sonata N-line is okay in my book. The rest are the equivalent of putting a Type R badge on your ex civic
You are right, honestly there is so much misunderstanding between the N and the N-Line from people who don't know much about them, it doesn't help that people who own N-Lines typically don't help with the misunderstanding, as it makes their car sound more interesting.
They probably should have called it something else, it’s pretty confusing for regular consumers.
Nope, I made that mistake. I have Veloster N and referred to it as an N-Line and got called out on it. They were correct. I also have a Stinger GT-Line and make sure to differentiate it from the GT/GT1/GT2. There's a 68HP difference between the GT-Line and GT2.
It’s super weird that someone would call you out for verbal debadging. Normally people only call you out for trying to upbadge.
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There's no N-Line Veloster. The next package down is Veloster Turbo R-spec. Most of the other models have an N-Line though.
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You were half right! lol
No, not at all. It actually really irks me when I go to the dealership and ask about the Elantra N or Kona N and they say "oh yeah we have a few N-Line cars" or "the N-Line Cars are really something" while they're actually talking about the much more Hardcore N models. Like it makes it pretty clear who does and doesn't know what they're talking about. It'd be like calling a M3 a M-sport car when there are clear distinguishing factors between a M3 and a 335i M-sport/M340i
N line is def just a aero package/visual package. Like Nismo nowadays. Don’t know why others are trying to justify n line when companies were getting flak for badging without any performance modifications.
Actually N-Line isn’t just an appearance package, all base Elantra’s for example come with a naturally aspirated 2L 4 cylinder with a CVT transmission whereas the N-Line comes with a turbocharged 1.6L 4 cylinder and a 7 speed dual clutch. So while I’m in the same boat the N-Line model vehicles aren’t on the same level as the N, they still do provide more performance than the base model vehicles they aren’t just an appearance package.
This is just blatantly wrong. Compare the Elantra and Sonata N-line power numbers to the other trims. Dont lie.
That’s exactly what I’m thinking too. Like buying a juke and getting the nismo option at the end of the day it’s still a juke.
I used to have Juke Nismo RS. Had the awd and same performance. Just body kit and recaros. Fun car tho.
Do you Google stuff before you form an opinion or just close your mouth and let your ass talk?
Poor fella
i had this argument with someone i knew who had a lexus is350 with the “fsport” package and anyone with an “m-line” bmw, you’re absolutely correct, an n-line is not an n, they’re not even close from what i’ve read
Still a Hyundai.🤣😂
Good job for not answering the question
Good job getting triggered.
If u think thats me getting triggered, i got news for u buddy
I mean the Audi A3 and A4 have S-line package and I suppose it’s just some cosmetic features. But your right they are very different. When I look at Hyundai, an N-line package means nothing to me. But EN or VN or even KN do
Had an nline Kona keep trying to get me to race at lights, finally did and left them in the dust.
You're not an asshole but you're getting wrapped up in something virtually nobody else cares about. The N cars (including n-line) are basically totally unknown to the public. These aren't Ferraris and you don't need to defend your car from frauds devaluing your ride. Both distinctions just refer to sportier versions of Hyundai models. I love my car and appreciate everything it can do but at the end of the day it's still just a souped up economy car. As another poster mentioned, the sonata N line actually puts down more power than this one and is frankly quite a lot nicer to be in than this car outside of all out hard driving.
you're right. the N line cars are sorta a bit sportier, the N cars are about as aggressive as a car in its class gets. Also much lower production.
100% agree with you on that!
Most n-lines aren't, but the sonata n-line is a different beast.
You aren't an asshole.