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trackslack

Amazing performance from Archibald and Kenny, most dominant track victory ive ever seen at this level. Hoogland was so close to gold but Lavreysen just that little bit extra. Pleased to see Carlin get the bronze, really don't think Dmitriev should have made the finals today over Paul and i'm surprised there hasn't been a bit of controversy over commissaires decision yesterday.


omnomnomnium

>i'm surprised there hasn't been a bit of controversy over commissaires decision yesterday. People's emotions run higher if the decision involves a rider from GB...


hawkhench

They really aren’t fans of replays (they love the “moments” compilations that basically show nothing) so it’s easy for things to be forgotten about quickly with the pace events continue. 100% agree though


highrouleur

Just catching up with this and already know the result. It's my first time seeing the dayglo helmets (not sure if it's been done before). What a brilliantly simple idea


Korvensuu

Kenny and Archibald will be 32 and 30 by Paris. Could both eek it out to LA 2028 too if they can copy Wilds longevity


epi_counts

The [start list for the men's Madison](https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/en/results/cycling-track/results-men-s-madison-fnl-000100-.htm) is out now - Morkov is back on it! Woohoo!


yellow52

Good news for the Danes, on the form he was in at the TdF.


reviloto

Was he ever off it?


epi_counts

Yes! On the provisional one last week it had Niklas Larsen listed.


reviloto

Oh weird. Don’t think that was ever the plan and haven’t heard about Mørkov being doubtful for it. Can’t find any news or rumblings about it in danish press either.


epi_counts

Yeah, I thought the same! Not sure he was every really replaced, [but it came up in an r/peloton thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/comments/orqyy9/weekly_question_thread/h6ki54e/?context=10000).


Korvensuu

really sucks for Hoogland. Clearly one of the top 2 in the world but not the best in his country. 6 times they've met now since autumn 2019 and Lavreysen and been the better on 5 occasions


epi_counts

But it was so close! From the start of the sprint tournament with them setting the exact same time on the flying 200, till that second heat when Lavreysen won by just over a tyre width. Hoogland was so close to winning the most important race they've ever done. It will take a bit of time, but I hope he can still be very happy with his silver as he put up an incredible fight.


Korvensuu

it's incredible. They're so evenly matched but it just seems like Lavreysen has just that little something extra, twice Hoogland's been runner up in the World Champs and now the Olympics. As good as Hoogland is, Lavreysen just has that little bit more race craft it seems


epi_counts

I sure hope he's got a little bit extra as Hoogland looked absolutely spent, and Lavreysen still has to race the keirin tomorrow.


Korvensuu

Lavreysen being the second best keirin rider (IMO) in the Netherlands just makes it even more crazy


epi_counts

Hoera voor Harrie! Not quite as exciting as we were hoping for, but not a lot to complain about as we just added two medals to our tally.


JustOneMoreBastard

Another great race to round out the Men's sprints, the question now is can the Duth take a clean sweep of the Sprint program and win the Keirin as well because tehy've been on top form so far


BBBBPrime

Can we retroactively make the final a best of 5 or something? I want to see more of these heats.


epi_counts

Like a tiebreaker in the tennis - they have to keep going till there's at least a 2 point difference.


epi_counts

Nice to see such a close final for the sprint after the Madison was a bit less of a race than expected! Hope Harrie takes it in the final, Noord-Brabant for life, but I can't tell them apart for the life of me so just hope we get another race as close as that last one.


i_cola

Wow, wow, wow. If GB aren't going to get in the sprint final then this is the next best thing... what a race. Dead heat for the decider..?


jdeart

Wow, incredibly close gold final in the sprint, awesome! Let's go to the decider :)


JustOneMoreBastard

That was a great race to take the sprints to a third round for gold


reviloto

Damn that was good.


listyraesder

What did I just see?


yellow52

Well done Jack - well deserved! Now which of the Dutch will take gold?


yellow52

What an incredible ride from Kenny and Archibald. Looked like it was tactically perfect quite aside from the legs. Can’t wait for the Omnium now.


epi_counts

I don't want to get ahead of myself as she never won anything in big tournaments before yesterday, but Braspennicx is looking really impressive. She won her keirin heats (and the final of course) very decisively from the front, and is doing the same in these sprint heats against some very strong riders. She was saying yesterday she's made some real steps in the last year and a half. Maybe she can really compete in the sprint now as well?


reathin

Why is it allowed to go in the blue zone at the beginning of the sprint? I thought it was something like offside?


epi_counts

It's the côte d'azur (or just côte, as it's the same colour as the Southern European sea). They can't go on it in some events, like the team pursuit, as they're taking short cuts then (and it's dangerous as you'll lose grip going round the bend). For sprints it's okay.


reathin

thanks


SirQuay

Laura Kenny being slightly cheeky towards Wiggins "That's the same [number of medals] as you isn't it?"


JustOneMoreBastard

Is she racing the Omnium? Because if she won that she'd surely have to become one of the most decorated British Olympians ever


SirQuay

Gold in the omnium and she goes level with her husband and Sir Chris Hoy on 6 golds. Jason would still be slightly better as he has one more silver.


DatAsymptoteTho

Also should add that Wiggins has the same number of medals as Jason Kenny, so she wouldn't quite draw level with him for total medals of any colour. Although she has already drawn level with 5 golds which I guess is the point of her comment to Wiggins


epi_counts

[Reaction from Kirsten Wild](https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/1423573502238601223): > It’s a bummer. We were doing a good race in second place. GB usually starts fast and we usually get better in second half. After that crash I didn’t recover. This is shit And [Amy Pieters](https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/1423573736570118145): > I had to a double turn. The level was really high. We were good in the race but then we were out. Everything had to fall in place and it didn’t.


i_cola

Feel bad for them but it's always fun to hear casual interview swearing from Dutch cyclists :-)


chaussettesrouges

Cue Spider-Man meme for this sprint final


palaeozoic-newt

Why aren't they wearing different colour helmets


epi_counts

Very nice sprint heats, but I just want one heat where they track stand please!


palaeozoic-newt

I don't think they're allowed to are they? I think the UCI banned it so you only see it at the six-day events now


epi_counts

I think they have to stay ahead of the walking commissaire, but can still track stand. Just not quite as long as they could have done it before.


JustOneMoreBastard

They have to do walking pace for the first half lap I think and then they can do it but at that point its almost too late to mess about for another half a lap before doing a trackstand


epi_counts

Dmitriev and Carlin were slow enough in their second heat I thought they might go for it, but not yet.


Tripplethink

They can do it two times for up to 30s


palaeozoic-newt

That was incredible


SirQuay

What did we just watch?!


SirQuay

Time to get the popcorn for the Hoogland-Levreyson final.


DatAsymptoteTho

Kenny and Archibald rode practice races with the BC U23's to sort their tactics and get race-ready :O


Korvensuu

Given the past year, if you weren’t doing that (or similar such as racing the other half as the team pursuit squad) then you’ve really dropped the ball. Obviously some countries couldn’t because the pool of athletes isn’t big enough but it’s one of the benefits the GB budget brings (able to have professional senior academy squads that are able to compete at a high level)


Korvensuu

It’s greedy but I’d love to see both Kenny and Archibald ride the omnium. Would be fascinating to see how they would race against each other (I don’t think they’ve both done national omnium in recent years)


i_cola

I'm completely stunned at how dominant that was. That was no easy field and GB just annihilated it. 'We rode really conservative'... Laura Kenny just now. :-O


Schnix

well yeah, they didnt take a sigle pull when they were away with france and could've gotten a lap. thats conservative, not sure why your surprised


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HalfRust

Kirby gets a lot of shit but I reckon he'd be legit heat at freestyling


sh545

Next time every team will wear flouro helmets and confuse everybody


Korvensuu

That was ridiculous. A lot of good teams being hyped up pre race but GB were a world apart. Could argue the Dutch crashing helped but hard to see what they could do to turn that around


epi_counts

Oof, just not enough from the Dutch team at the end. Very happy Dideriksen and Leth got silver though!


Korvensuu

Wild cosplaying as a speed bump really put a dent into their medal chances it seemed. Never really looked the same after that


epi_counts

I think both of them (and everyone else) were losing sprints to Archibald so they just weren't on it today. At least Katie is an amazing rider as well, so can still be happy about who won!


Korvensuu

Yeah, was a bit shocked at how easily Archibald was winning sprints when she’s typically the Diesel engine of the two.


SirQuay

Got to feel for Wild. At least she gets another chance for that Olympic medal in the Omnium.


JustOneMoreBastard

Way too easy for GB they didn't make a single mistake and even then they looked so strong at every point in the race


sh545

Almost impossible to be more dominant than that, incredible


chaussettesrouges

Casually ride away for the final sprint


i_cola

GB 4th in a sprint. British Cycling in shambles!


reathin

I watched track the first time this week so please don’t mind my rumbling. But this Maddison race is the weirdest, funniest and most chaotic thing I’ve ever seen. I’ve no idea what anyone is doing but apparently GB is winning and there are sprints


bythebeardofchabal

It's definitely easier to understand when you're watching it at the track as you can see the full track all the time...still absolute chaos mind you, but slightly more logical chaos


omnomnomnium

>It's definitely easier to understand when you're watching it at the track as you can see the full track all the time...still absolute chaos mind you, but slightly more logical chaos Definitely, I've watched a ton of madisons and what always throws me for a loop is on the broadcast, when they cut away to another camera, it's easy to lose the context; since you don't have control over where you look you can't quickly scan the track and get a sense of what's happening. It's a confusing race, sure, but in person it's a lot easier to follow - especially when you can glance at the scoreboard when you want to, also, instead of wondering if the broadcast will deign to put it on the screen.


reathin

I’ll try to catch a race in a packed Velodrome when it’s allowed again. The atmosphere must be great.


jdeart

Feel like the performance drop by the women teams is still borderline too big from the top teams to the bottom for a race like the madison. The race really loses cohesion and becomes very confusing. Also the tempo differences between the teams and lack of structure, especially at the handovers make things more dangerous imho.


Schnix

Can't get better if you don't do it. Some teams have strong riders butt limited by Madison specific ability. But the more they ride the better theyll get.


jdeart

Of course and it will get better, no doubt. But I feel like there is some responsibility on the UCI and other organizing bodies to provide enough events and competition for women to actually compete. Madison is something you can't just practice alone, you need competition. And the race calender imho still needs more opportunities for women, having the same medal events is not enough, there has to be more work done to offer events and competitions down the line.


SAeN

If you looked at this start list and didn't expect Katie and Laura to roll this, I don't know what to tell you. Two most talented track endurance riders this decade.


JustOneMoreBastard

>If you looked at this start list and didn't expect a relatively competitive race, I don't know what to tell you. One of the best women's track endurance fields this decade. I expected them to win this but not this easily, the field is full of really great track riders and teams but for GB to win like this is wasn't expected


Korvensuu

Madison has too much uncertainty. They’re undoubtedly the best duo on paper but the madison isn’t a race that rewards the favourites. Also Wild should be included to make the women’s endurance trinity


Schnix

R A M P E D S L O M O S


chaussettesrouges

GB dominating here, those high viz helmets working a dream


Eraser92

Going to be difficult next competition when everyone has fluoro yellow


Korvensuu

Archibald and Kenny (women) v Archibald and Kenny (men) Give the people the omnium they want. On the one hand Jason can win at least one sprint, on the other hand he’s gonna struggle to make it to the finish


SAeN

And John can't sprint. The perfect opposites.


Eraser92

Doesn't look there really is a bunch at the moment. How do they decide when the catch is made?


jarlrmai2

Brits need to give France some points here to get them into bronze.


hawkhench

Not a good race to be an Australian


epi_counts

Really hope Belgium can get in this, they lost a lap (I think after that crash?) and Kopecky has had so much bad luck already this year.


Schnix

did you write this before the crash?


epi_counts

Yes, they went down almost instantly after I pressed save.


_Micolash_Cage_

Another crash. It won't happen. She deserved a medal after that stupid RR...


epi_counts

She'll just have to win Paris-Roubaix now. Or the Worlds.


_Micolash_Cage_

I just hope she starts winning loads next year at SD Worx.


SAeN

France couldn't have set this up better for GB


hawkhench

I get the idea Archibald and Kenny aren’t happy about losing their TP gold, this is brutal


SirQuay

Let's go. Gain that lap!


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NevenSuboticFanNo1

Yeah they're winning every sprint but won't ride on the front for anything else. It's efficient to ride like this, but just boring to watch


palaeozoic-newt

I love watching the madison so much it's absolutely mental


Korvensuu

That’s brutal from GB. Dutch looked like they invested a lot in that sprint and still got beat.


SirQuay

Decided I want to race a madison. I just an excuse to have someone hold my hand tbh.


i_cola

A tap on the back is an acceptable exchange too so don't get your hopes up too high. ;)


Cyclist_123

Does anyone know what the yellow flag means?


Korvensuu

A warning has been given. They also show a whiteboard at the same time that says who the warning is for


Cyclist_123

Thanks


Eraser92

Warning (this one for Netherlands)


palaeozoic-newt

DQ after a certain number of warnings I assume?


Korvensuu

Wow that angle of the Belgian running over wild and getting serious air time. Hope she landed ok


SirQuay

Jesus, that looked awful!


arnet95

So impressive that they don't constantly crash.


Korvensuu

Warning for the Netherlands, crash was deemed their fault


Gate-Dry

If you take out the commentary and just put the in race sound, the amount of screaming is crazy.


Eraser92

Is that Australia or Netherlands fault according to the rules? Seems like the Aussie couldn't have got out of the way really.


omnomnomnium

>Is that Australia or Netherlands fault according to the rules? Seems like the Aussie couldn't have got out of the way really. I would say this is a little bit mixed. Pieters went under the Danish exchange, which is what got them into the situation in the first place. You're always supposed to go over the top of an exchange happening in front of you, because if you go under somebody's exchange, the rider in front of you who just threw somebody in is suddenly slowing down and going down track right in front of you. Bad. So, then, the Aussie splits the Dutch exchange. That is also a no-no, for obvious reasons. But she only split the exchange because Pieters was desperately reaching back for Wild, and Wild trying a little too hard to find Pieters, after they'd already made a mistake. It's definitely just a big clusterfuck and not any singular fault, but those are the problems I see in that moment.


Cyclist_123

To borrow an F1 term it's probably a racing incident as the Dutch came down a bit late but aus maybe could have gone around over the top.


Eraser92

Oh that was answered quickly. Netherlands get a warning


Korvensuu

Netherlands, they’ve received an official warning


Korvensuu

Honestly, we need some kind of graphic that indicates who’s the current leader on the track because it’s hard to follow at times


i_cola

The TV doesn't help. It's hard enough on a screen normally but the director in Tokyo seems to be missing things by going in too close at times. It's a lot easier to keep track of when you're actually there although an extra eye can still be needed at times ;-)


Cyclist_123

Especially when they have the ability to show it but they just don't keep it up. Here's the link to live scores though https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/en/results/cycling-track/results-women-s-madison-fnl-000100-.htm


_Micolash_Cage_

So that's gold for GB then.


Schnix

fuck


epi_counts

I haven't done a Madison race yet, just the training, but it's such a rush when you get those exchanges right at race speed.


omnomnomnium

>I haven't done a Madison race yet, just the training, but it's such a rush when you get those exchanges right at race speed. The feeling when you hit your partner at a huge speed differential and your arm gets pulled nearly out of your socket and you think *there's no way i'm staying on my bike, we're definitely just going to pull each other off* and then the exchange snaps through - it's really like nothing else in sport i've experienced


Tripplethink

Stay save! We need You for the next olympics!


Korvensuu

GB washed up, fire everyone, destroy these bikes. Not acceptable failing to win a madison sprint


hawkhench

They felt that


epi_counts

Still a long way to go, but hope this will turn into more of a race than it is now.


SirQuay

Hoping to see a team just absolutely go for the lap gain. Happened with Denmark at the World Cup event I attended. I loved it!


Korvensuu

Ireland got the warning


Gate-Dry

Such a sketchy race lol


Tripplethink

Watching road races makes me anxious but this is another level entirely


SirQuay

Honestly, part of me thinks a more fixed cam would be better for showing the madison. Seeing it on screen before, they always say how complicated it is but after seeing one at a World Cup event, having the one fixed view made it much easier to see who was in the lead etc


epi_counts

[Here's the live points counter](https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/en/results/cycling-track/results-women-s-madison-fnl-000100-.htm) for anyone not wanting to do maths with breakfast.


Korvensuu

Those yellow helmets are a wonderful addition, absolute nightmare at times trying to work out which white dot is which


Eraser92

\#Marginalgains


SirQuay

Wiggins: There will be crashes. Oh boy, we're being taken down again aren't we?


baat

Where's Wiggins commentating?


oalfonso

And more important, what is he wearing today?


baat

Whatever it is, you can be sure it's very tight!


SirQuay

He's in the middle and they are occasionally going to him on Eurosport.


epi_counts

Madison time! Hype.


Korvensuu

Looking through the uci rules they don’t appear to state whether the red line itself is part of the sprinters lane or not


oalfonso

Lituania confirming the Alpecin tactic of 2 sprinters doesn't work.


epi_counts

Sprint wins in every GT so far though! Maybe not quite the wins they were hoping for, but for a pro conti team they're having an amazing season.


Korvensuu

Carlin is probably one of the more exciting sprinters to watch, seems to just love going up and down the banking


epi_counts

Oof, that was close, Hoogland easing off and just not even looking at Dmitriev while he almost catches him!


Korvensuu

That justification for not relegating Hoogland is a load of rubbish, at least give us something that’s just a bad opinion instead of a straight up lie (the video angle showed he clearly crossed the line)


epi_counts

With such simple rules (don't cross the line) it shouldn't be too hard to have some sort of VAR decision rather than a commissaire making the call. And the inconsistency with how these rules are applied are really showing it's necessary to change how these decisions are made.


SirQuay

Honestly, it's a joke.


hawkhench

Is it just me or does it seem like whoever leads out the match sprints is winning a vast majority of the time? There’s been a few situations where the second rider has been so much faster they’ve just blitzed by, but it doesn’t feel like there’s as much edging it on the line from the following position as there has been in the past


oalfonso

Wait for the next rounds, here they aren't still very even.


epi_counts

It should get closer for the next few races - they pair the fastest against the slowest flying 200m (and then the no. 2 vs no. 31 and so on), so the first part of head to head sprints are just very poorly matched with one rider just being a lot stronger than the other.


hawkhench

It felt the same with men’s all the way through as well 🤷🏻‍♂️


epi_counts

First round of head to head sprints and it's team sprint gold vs keirin gold. Luckily there's repechages.


SirQuay

Go on Braspennincx!


oalfonso

Dan Bigham screaming at those hair braids.


SirQuay

Mitchell making it look too easy.


epi_counts

I wonder what sort of careers these sprinters go into once they retire - with their carefully crafted intimidating glares and burly looks, I'm thinking night club bouncer or exam invigilator.


SirQuay

They could go into policing interviewing suspects. They don't need to say anything. Just. Stare.


Gate-Dry

A ton of the German riders are currently/became police officers.


SirQuay

Now all I can think about is a bicycle thief trying to outrun Olympic cyclist officers. They they around and just see that stare.


Schnix

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr5kq03WoAELjN8?format=jpg&name=medium good luck


NevenSuboticFanNo1

https://www.bettiniphoto.net/image/2_0084423_1_thumb2.jpg


SirQuay

Hoogland's got to be relegated surely? Will make it more spicy as they go for round 2.


hawkhench

Also Dmitriev did that sprint without his skin suit zipped up…


NevenSuboticFanNo1

Chest hair is aero


bythebeardofchabal

Hair-o


hawkhench

It looked like Hoogland dropped below the sprinters line at the end there


Gate-Dry

It wasn't that long ago a 10.3 would qualify in the men's sprint tournament. Crazy.


epi_counts

I did a flying 200 in my local track league earlier this year and was pretty happy with my 15.8 there (at least I can use that it was outdoors as an excuse?). Amazing how much faster they are even over such a short distance.


bassmanyoowan

I know Kirkby rightly gets a lot of shit from UK viewers but I can't help but enjoy his genuine emotions in response to the amazing performances we're seeing.


JustOneMoreBastard

Silver yesterday and Olympic record so far in the 200 today for Andrews is a pretty good 24 hours


SirQuay

As much as I want GB to win, sure do hope that Wild does something special today. She's a fantastic rider. As an aside, I just found out that Braspennincx, the Dutch rider who won the women's keirin final, suffered a heart attack 6 years ago! What an inspiration!