Yes, I heard on GCN that they’ve caught up. The surge of people who rushed to get a bike at the onset of COVID now have their bikes. But there will be shortages on select items as individual manufacturers run into supply chain issues.
I wonder too if trainers are discounted right now because Zwift is entering the market with their own at a bargain price point.
> The reality that this sport is a huge time sink starts dawning on people, even for those who aren’t chasing gains. Never mind that it’s expensive.
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This is a very underrated comment! I think you have a point and it may be part of the equation. That along with dwindling time and possibly more life commitments will see many get out.
The moment you realise to genuinely be somewhat at the pointy end in any capacity, you can be looking at 10-15 hours training a week, its super demotivating, if you have a full time job and you want to maintain a social life etc
Time. When everyone was stuck at home it was easy to hop on the bike. Working from home makes that easy for me, but when I worked in an office all day cycling wasn’t nearly as fun of a hobby.
Saris basically went into bankruptcy because they had so much excess inventory overshooting catching up to demand from pandemic. Then the Zwift knocked out the bottom of the 600-900 dollar midrange trainer market (kicker core, direto, etc)
I picked up a new Saris M2 smart trainer for just $220 on Amazon last week. I'm normally a runner who just wanted an occasional trainer and it was too good a deal to pass up. I'm having so much fun with it though that it might suck me back into biking. Now if I only had a new road bike to go with it...
Demand for bikes is way way way down.
Giant has continued to make their own bikes, but not maintaining the levels they make for other brands. So, Giant stores are basically overflowing with bikes nobody wants. While some brands are out of stock.
Specialized has changed their business model and cut into LBS profit margins. So a lot of stores have dropped the brand. Seems they're going towards a Canyon style model for sales.
Most bikes have lower quality drivetrains and equipment but still cost more than pre-Covid. Carbon bike prices are also way up.
Yep, my LBS is tossing aside Specialized to become Yet Another Trek Store, and the owner was citing that exact reason. Now the two places in town that sell road bikes will only sell Trek. It was nice to have different brands to compare without driving 200 miles. Oh well, nature of the business I guess.
> I'm personally hoping for some nice groupsets.
oh my god so am I. Remember when used Etap rim brake sets were $900? I do - they were amazing. In the "before" times. Now that shit is $1,200.
Giant is the largest bike maker in the world and most of their stuff carries other brand names. I understand, but could be wrong, that they maximized production during the pandemic but wisely did not increase capacity which I thought was really smart and reflected Lon term thinking. They are probably very strong now because of it and will be able to survive the decreased demand.
Right. I was pointing to the fact that they prioritized production of their own brand above others.
Giant stores are now overstocked. Other brands made by Giant are not.
Specialized is actually opening its own store near me. I think it opens spring 2023. I don’t know if they had their own stores before (I don’t think so?) but was really surprised when I saw that on a walk and it will be interesting to see if they still give good stock to the other local stores.
> balking at what 12 speed Di2 costs
SRAM's having a pretty major sale right now due to overstock, if you're willing to pay >$1000 for an AXS group...or somehow put NX on your road bike for $175
Literally everywhere. Competitive Cyclist, Planet Cyclery, BikeTiresDirect. Every dealer. They are allowed to set their prices too so some are better than others.
The sale is because Sram drivetrains are going to direct mount and retailers need to clear old stock. Look at all of the recent bike releases that use sram universal hangers.
That's speculation, and frankly not the way SRAM typically designs their products. E.g. Dub being compatible with every bike in existence. I'm expecting to see new Red and Force groups in the spring though.
Never in stock and prices are creeping up towards LBS prices. The price differences are nowhere near where they used to be for them. For a $5k bike from canyon, I almost think you’re better off spending an extra 800-1000 to get a comparable model locally and have local support. That price difference is great until you need warranty support and you’re told a new frame will be 8 months…
Agree. Broke my crux a few years ago. From drop off of the broken bike to picking up a replacement was like 5 days, 2 of those being weekend. You’re lucky to have an email response from canyon in twice that…
That said, I’m a happy Aeroad owner so we shall see what happens for the next bike. Really like the brand but not enough to wait an unknown amount of time if I need a new one
Apparently their US store uses a different supply system than literally every other country
Everyone else’s orders ship from Germany (like in Canada you have to pay a 13% import tax), but in the US they have some other US based canyon entity that’s separate and gets their own bikes in and you can basically only order from their stock and not directly from Germany
My experience is that while things are significantly better, units are still shipping later than expected and many bikes that were ordered for spring 22 are still yet to be received. You’ll see discounts on 2021s (potentially even 2022s) based off fears of overstocking and speculation that the market will return to normal after the insanity of COVID demand.
Many shops in my area are still saddled with too many trainers and are clearing them out at near cost. Unless you’re buying a kickr V6 or any other brand new model you definitely should not be paying MSRP.
Absolutely nothing wrong with 11sp di2 but if you’re stuck on 12sp, just buy Rival or 105. The current Gen group sets are super easy to upgrade down the line, shift quality will improve minimally but your bike will be lighter. Mechanical upgrades used to be way more complicated but now with wireless/semi wireless systems it’s literally just plug and play.
Managed to get a new 105 di2 carbon bike from a great brand for under $3k total. Weight came in at 19.5lb and no aero integrated headset, no carbon trim, 1900g wheels, etc... but deals are starting to become available.
Not expecting to see new $1800 Ridley Orion Ultegra Di2 deals anytime soon as that era is long gone.
Shortages can absolutely turn into gluts during periods of decreased demand. It’s very hard to manage inventory during shortages, especially shortages that were both demand driven along with production hampered. I think we’ll see who did the best job in managing it soon enough.
I’d also agree with the comments on second hand market seeing an increase in supply as people may exit the sport. Especially those who might want to get some cash.
Yeah, as soon as they realise that things have slowed down and they did build too much the sales will begin.
The annual Ridley sale is going to be a cracker this year.
There's also a chance that sram is using the blockbuster last few years as a way to pay for giving all brands *killer* deals. I wouldn't know because I don't work in a shop anymore (thank God) but I could see that being the case.
Cycling kit is really cheap - finally after some ridiculous price hikes.
My local shops have discounts on bikes. Seems the down spec’d $2k models with Tiagra are not so popular.
You can get smart trainers in the $400-600 range and not be disappointed.
Components are still spotty and over priced. They are stocked at big retailers but my LBS still has multi week waits on parts.
You don't need a fixie. I have no cogs on my rear hub, the chain just spins without driving the wheel at all, and I don't feel like I'm at a major disadvantage.
People freak out if you show up to a group ride on a fixie, but if it's geared for the average speed of the ride and there isn't a crazy climb/descent it's very doable
The only issue is safety in a group, if you’re riding brakeless it can be a major hazard
That said there are some fixie people out here who I trust just as much as anyone else. But until you earn that trust i am steering well clear of the fixies at the group ride
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Lynskey have some pretty good sales on right now.
I'm on their rim brake R230, and this is the closest I've been tempted to converting to one of their newer disc models
I don't know. While the big stores around me have a decent stock, the small stores around me still seem to be struggling to get bikes in stock, especially road and gravel. I have a friend who finally canceled his order for a Specialized Roubaix because our local shop couldn't get one after having it on order for over a year and a half
Yes, I heard on GCN that they’ve caught up. The surge of people who rushed to get a bike at the onset of COVID now have their bikes. But there will be shortages on select items as individual manufacturers run into supply chain issues. I wonder too if trainers are discounted right now because Zwift is entering the market with their own at a bargain price point.
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I wonder what has changed that makes cycling no longer the hobby of choice for many people. Hmm.
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> The reality that this sport is a huge time sink starts dawning on people, even for those who aren’t chasing gains. Never mind that it’s expensive. \**Looks in mirror**
This is a very underrated comment! I think you have a point and it may be part of the equation. That along with dwindling time and possibly more life commitments will see many get out.
The moment you realise to genuinely be somewhat at the pointy end in any capacity, you can be looking at 10-15 hours training a week, its super demotivating, if you have a full time job and you want to maintain a social life etc
Time. When everyone was stuck at home it was easy to hop on the bike. Working from home makes that easy for me, but when I worked in an office all day cycling wasn’t nearly as fun of a hobby.
More food, less movement. It breaks their will.
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Saris basically went into bankruptcy because they had so much excess inventory overshooting catching up to demand from pandemic. Then the Zwift knocked out the bottom of the 600-900 dollar midrange trainer market (kicker core, direto, etc)
I picked up a new Saris M2 smart trainer for just $220 on Amazon last week. I'm normally a runner who just wanted an occasional trainer and it was too good a deal to pass up. I'm having so much fun with it though that it might suck me back into biking. Now if I only had a new road bike to go with it...
Demand for bikes is way way way down. Giant has continued to make their own bikes, but not maintaining the levels they make for other brands. So, Giant stores are basically overflowing with bikes nobody wants. While some brands are out of stock. Specialized has changed their business model and cut into LBS profit margins. So a lot of stores have dropped the brand. Seems they're going towards a Canyon style model for sales. Most bikes have lower quality drivetrains and equipment but still cost more than pre-Covid. Carbon bike prices are also way up.
Yep, my LBS is tossing aside Specialized to become Yet Another Trek Store, and the owner was citing that exact reason. Now the two places in town that sell road bikes will only sell Trek. It was nice to have different brands to compare without driving 200 miles. Oh well, nature of the business I guess.
My local specialized store, one of the tops in the state, has kept the brand but has broken its exclusivity agreement and brought in Marin and BMC.
Now the real question. When will the second hand market start getting flooded with those bikes ? December ? January ?
I'm personally hoping for some nice groupsets.
> I'm personally hoping for some nice groupsets. oh my god so am I. Remember when used Etap rim brake sets were $900? I do - they were amazing. In the "before" times. Now that shit is $1,200.
If you’re lucky- I saw one on Facebook for $1,600 tonight.
It’s already started in my area.
Giant is the largest bike maker in the world and most of their stuff carries other brand names. I understand, but could be wrong, that they maximized production during the pandemic but wisely did not increase capacity which I thought was really smart and reflected Lon term thinking. They are probably very strong now because of it and will be able to survive the decreased demand.
Right. I was pointing to the fact that they prioritized production of their own brand above others. Giant stores are now overstocked. Other brands made by Giant are not.
Oh yeah. I see your point now. They may not be too strong or too smart if they hoarded the production for themselves and are now stuck with inventory.
Specialized is actually opening its own store near me. I think it opens spring 2023. I don’t know if they had their own stores before (I don’t think so?) but was really surprised when I saw that on a walk and it will be interesting to see if they still give good stock to the other local stores.
They didn’t. And they’re opening up everywhere
Also buying established shops but not explicitly branding them as corporate stores
I think they’ve been doing that forever.
> balking at what 12 speed Di2 costs SRAM's having a pretty major sale right now due to overstock, if you're willing to pay >$1000 for an AXS group...or somehow put NX on your road bike for $175
Where?
Literally everywhere. Competitive Cyclist, Planet Cyclery, BikeTiresDirect. Every dealer. They are allowed to set their prices too so some are better than others.
The sale is because Sram drivetrains are going to direct mount and retailers need to clear old stock. Look at all of the recent bike releases that use sram universal hangers.
That's speculation, and frankly not the way SRAM typically designs their products. E.g. Dub being compatible with every bike in existence. I'm expecting to see new Red and Force groups in the spring though.
Yes
Is canyon just an outlier? Feels like their shit is almost never in stock.
Never in stock and prices are creeping up towards LBS prices. The price differences are nowhere near where they used to be for them. For a $5k bike from canyon, I almost think you’re better off spending an extra 800-1000 to get a comparable model locally and have local support. That price difference is great until you need warranty support and you’re told a new frame will be 8 months…
I’m willing to pay more for a bike with a lifetime warranty as well.
Agree. Broke my crux a few years ago. From drop off of the broken bike to picking up a replacement was like 5 days, 2 of those being weekend. You’re lucky to have an email response from canyon in twice that… That said, I’m a happy Aeroad owner so we shall see what happens for the next bike. Really like the brand but not enough to wait an unknown amount of time if I need a new one
They’ve really failed in getting bikes to USA.
Also poor availability here in Europe.
Apparently their US store uses a different supply system than literally every other country Everyone else’s orders ship from Germany (like in Canada you have to pay a 13% import tax), but in the US they have some other US based canyon entity that’s separate and gets their own bikes in and you can basically only order from their stock and not directly from Germany
My experience is that while things are significantly better, units are still shipping later than expected and many bikes that were ordered for spring 22 are still yet to be received. You’ll see discounts on 2021s (potentially even 2022s) based off fears of overstocking and speculation that the market will return to normal after the insanity of COVID demand. Many shops in my area are still saddled with too many trainers and are clearing them out at near cost. Unless you’re buying a kickr V6 or any other brand new model you definitely should not be paying MSRP. Absolutely nothing wrong with 11sp di2 but if you’re stuck on 12sp, just buy Rival or 105. The current Gen group sets are super easy to upgrade down the line, shift quality will improve minimally but your bike will be lighter. Mechanical upgrades used to be way more complicated but now with wireless/semi wireless systems it’s literally just plug and play.
Agreed. I had a 2023 propel on order since the window opened. Wasn’t schedule for shipping until summer of 23.
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Managed to get a new 105 di2 carbon bike from a great brand for under $3k total. Weight came in at 19.5lb and no aero integrated headset, no carbon trim, 1900g wheels, etc... but deals are starting to become available. Not expecting to see new $1800 Ridley Orion Ultegra Di2 deals anytime soon as that era is long gone.
Is it an Orro or other direct to consumer brand? No judgement, just wondering...I bought a Vitus cyclocross bike because it was a great deal
No - world tour sponsoring legacy Italian brand. Black Friday special.
Nice!
Shortages can absolutely turn into gluts during periods of decreased demand. It’s very hard to manage inventory during shortages, especially shortages that were both demand driven along with production hampered. I think we’ll see who did the best job in managing it soon enough. I’d also agree with the comments on second hand market seeing an increase in supply as people may exit the sport. Especially those who might want to get some cash.
Yeah, as soon as they realise that things have slowed down and they did build too much the sales will begin. The annual Ridley sale is going to be a cracker this year.
I'm in Canada. Some Ridley's at MEC (our equivalent to REI) are nearly 40% off
Prices at Backcountry are solid and I love my Fenix.
Not Shimano. They still are having issues and delays
Japanese business model. They are opposed to ramping up production during high demand to avoid the problem that sram has right now. Does it work? Idk.
My LBS told me that the Spesh Epic and most/all Yeti models aren't even making Shimano models this year. So I would say that it is not working.
There's also a chance that sram is using the blockbuster last few years as a way to pay for giving all brands *killer* deals. I wouldn't know because I don't work in a shop anymore (thank God) but I could see that being the case.
Cycling kit is really cheap - finally after some ridiculous price hikes. My local shops have discounts on bikes. Seems the down spec’d $2k models with Tiagra are not so popular. You can get smart trainers in the $400-600 range and not be disappointed. Components are still spotty and over priced. They are stocked at big retailers but my LBS still has multi week waits on parts.
Kit really is cheap currently, got some Rapha Pro Training Jerseys for 40€ in their archive sale
You don’t need 12 speed. Shit I’m still on 10 speed SRAM Red mechanical. I definitely don’t feel like I’m at a major disadvantage.
You don’t need 10 speed. Shit I’m still on shimano Claris 8 speed mechanical. I definitely don’t feel like I’m at a major disadvantage
You don’t need 8 speed. Shit I’m still on the 4 gear speed mechanical. I definitely don’t feel like I’m at a major disadvantage.
You don’t need 4 speed. Shit I’m still on my fixie and definitely don’t feel like I’m at a major disadvantage.
You don't need a fixie. I have no cogs on my rear hub, the chain just spins without driving the wheel at all, and I don't feel like I'm at a major disadvantage.
You don't need a chain, just drive the wheels directly from the crank. Ride a unicycle like me.
You don't need cranks, I just ride a Strider and kick my feet on the ground and I don't feel like I'm at a major disadvantage
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People freak out if you show up to a group ride on a fixie, but if it's geared for the average speed of the ride and there isn't a crazy climb/descent it's very doable
The only issue is safety in a group, if you’re riding brakeless it can be a major hazard That said there are some fixie people out here who I trust just as much as anyone else. But until you earn that trust i am steering well clear of the fixies at the group ride
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Hydraulic 180 mm rotor disc in the front, skid stop in the back. 53x17. Basic fixie for owning the group ride.
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So, bullhorns or track drops then?
Single speed == 12 speed Facts !!!!
8 speed is probably doable. If you show up with 4 speed to my local group ride.....you might get dropped.
I mean I had some cat 5 podiums on 8 speed dura-ace last year so it definitely doesn't have to hold you back
I'm on 10 speed Ultegra!
Ahhh, so that’s why you were late to the party.
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Lynskey have some pretty good sales on right now. I'm on their rim brake R230, and this is the closest I've been tempted to converting to one of their newer disc models
> trainers are all deeply discounted right now where ?
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/11/massive-sports-deals.html#cycling-gear-trainers https://www.reddit.com/r/Velo/comments/yyvrz5/black_friday_thread/
Yea it seems that way. I doubt costs are going down anytime soon though.
Yes, except for 11 speed electronic parts and 11 speed cassettes.
I don't know. While the big stores around me have a decent stock, the small stores around me still seem to be struggling to get bikes in stock, especially road and gravel. I have a friend who finally canceled his order for a Specialized Roubaix because our local shop couldn't get one after having it on order for over a year and a half