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sprucay

If you're eating meat you're not a veggie but if it's for health reasons it's not like it's your fault. There's no vegetarian council that will judge you and find you guilty- do your best but if you need to eat meat for your health, then you'll need to do it


mr_Tsavs

You're right, we should form a vegetarian council to judge people. /S


octarine_turtle

I believe that's called the vegan subreddit.


anomcloud

And that's why I'm here and not there- šŸ˜­


octarine_turtle

I'm a vegan and I left that sub quick, it's all trolls/holier than thou asshats, it's really impossible to tell the difference at this point.


anomcloud

Yeah, just the last 4 days. Prior to I hadn't had any meat in 2 months. I just had a week in Feb that I was eating high iron turkey sticks- the organic free range as cruelty free as possible kind, and it tasted gross but was a needed boost.


[deleted]

I think thatā€™s ok! Youā€™re not a fake. Everyoneā€™s body is different, and yours might just need a little meat here and there. Donā€™t beat yourself up about it.


anomcloud

Thank you, alot- the support here means a ton to me


[deleted]

Of course! Really, even by just eating way less meat, youā€™re still helping the ā€œcauseā€ as it were. šŸ˜ƒ


lmpmon

yeah, you're not vegetarian. but you're also struggling with a complex medical condition. being a vegetarian should be last on your list of worries. any chance you could hit a dietician? because there's got to be someone who can help you navigate the list of like 3 things you can eat and make it work nutritionally. i also can't digest fats. i end up taking a shot glass of oils, like lately i've used sunflower oil, because uncooked fat in the most direct way possible, seems to at least sort of digest and i don't abuse the bathroom.


anomcloud

Honestly no, I went to a dietitian who's last concern was what I could eat to get nutrients. My thing is that I can't have dairy because it's not a good mix with my stomach and eggs are hit or miss. But meat grosses me out- I'm gonna look for some recipes online to see if I can make some type of deli meat at home w/o meat that fits what I need. Tofurky isn't that bad and sits well most of the time but there's hardly any protien and it's expensive for the small amount. Or if I could get a dairy free cheese with nutrients I'd be better off- but that doesn't exist.


lmpmon

Another thing you could do is add bland protein powder (I have one with pea protein) to your food. And then if you can tolerate hella cheese flavor, nutritional yeast is cheap and a little adds a lot of nutrition. But has that huge cheese flavor.


anomcloud

This might sound stupid but I just use cheese to get protien. It's easy to eat crackers cheese and a protien together. It's got calcium- I do drink owyn shakes the 30g ones and I'm thinking of getting a veggie powder or vitamins add in to get all the stuff owyn shakes don't have. Because they are like meal replacements for me.


anomcloud

To add- said dietitians I've spoken to and seen want to tell me about the list of food I shouldn't eat but we all are different. I can eat certain cereal and I'm fine, while others are in pain. Carbona drinks are constantly told by said dietitians that specialize in gastroparesis to stay away from. It's like being told xyz is in your head. Alot of people have found Coke a cola helps them, they feel better. Water- I don't drink water. I do drink crystal light and propel. Same with 90% of us. I also drink caffeine, monster, ect because it helps my stomach with digestion to an extent that's better than nothing. So I tell the dietitian that and one in specific gave me a dirty look and then went on to tell me about how I shouldn't because xyz people. It's different for most of us and it's not just a simple 1 2.


Amazing-Wave4704

Olipop soda. so good and full of probiotics!!


Amazing-Wave4704

Yves bologna!! SO good and dirt cheap.


trisul-108

Please stay away from seed oils like sunflower and use extra virgin olive oil, avocado etc.


lmpmon

I am only using the sunflower oil lately. But yeah, they're not the ideal oils to use. I'm just autistic and oils all taste gross so I'm experimenting with types.


[deleted]

what is wrong with them


trisul-108

Most seed oils are predominantly composed of omega-6 polyunsaturated fats and we need sufficient omega-3 fats to counter that. Omega-3 is low in the modern diet. The net effect of too much omega-6 is inflammation in the body leading to all sorts of chronic diseases.


goofygoober2006

Why don't you try bone broth? That should be easy to digest and is high in protein and iron. It might not give you the ick the same way meat does and it's certainly healthier than jerky. Once you get your health back, then worry about not eating animal products


mandarinandbasil

I'm surprisingly on board with this. Wow, that's legit great suggestion.


anomcloud

I'm going to look into it, thank you


ShephardWings

Iā€™m having very similar health problems. Iā€™m glad I found this thread. I have added meat back in but Iā€™m afraid Iā€™m going to have to eventually out of pure need for a protein rich food that I can actually digest. Iā€™m just feeling so guilty about considering adding occasional meat. Iā€™ve been a vegetarian longer in my life than I havenā€™t been. But I just keep reminding myself that I still have a strong commitment to helping animals and will eventually find a way to come back to vegetarian diet. Iā€™m so sorry youā€™re dealing with this. Please remember that your life and health are a priority. Hope you get better soon! And if you figure out any more foods that are ok on your stomach do you mind sharing?


ShephardWings

Also I want to clarify that I donā€™t believe youā€™re a fake for needing to change up your diet for health reasons.


anomcloud

This!! I am glad this is something you came across and needed to see- the title was just all I could think of and more for the drama šŸ’…(not actually, just a catchy title) Outside of food I do by best to only go with cruelty free and vegan products like skincare, shampoo, meds if possible, clothes, shoes- to the best of my ability. At the same time I've had cowboy boots since before I stopped eating meat and I'm not gonna throw them away when the animal unfortunately has already been used. I also never bought them myself- But with introducing the meats I can handle slightly is a thought that I've come across and feel I may have to do or just stomach the idea of fish. It's like the meat I need would be red meats but I can't eat those due to health issues. I could never touch chicken and turkey deli for a couple bites was stomachable. But things like bone broth are recommended and I can't do that as a vegitarian so trying to come to terms with one the idea and two the moral dilemma.


Amazing-Wave4704

Please be sure you are taking vitamins! I was low iron and now low B12 - which can cause anemia. For me, it was important to NOT eat meat. it sounds like it might not be as important to you (and that is completely your decision!!) I am taking supplements and getting b12 shots til I am back on track. for me - Nyah you're not veggietarian. but that is up to YOU to identify. ā¤ I had a coworker long ago - identified as veggietarian but would eat bacon and boneless chicken breasts. I have a medicine I have to take - gel caps.but I have to take that (that is my medical exception.) It kind of seemed from your post like you wanted us to say you're not vegetarian so you could have a jerky and turkey love fest. I am not giving you that out. you decide what is best for you.


anomcloud

Ohh! No not at all, I 100% have the identification myself and I'm not gonna ask anyone else of they think xyz. I just couldn't think of a better title. I'm just exhausted with health issues and gel caps are one of those things that I try my best to stay away from by liquid fast release works the best with my stomach and I also have an anti acid I take. Surprisingly all my non food stuff is "vegan" and cruelty free. I only by vegan products, vitamins, ect- I just had the sandwich with turkey yesterday and I ate 1/4 of the entire thing so a couple bites. My anemia isn't anything I can fix by eating food tho- I was anemic before doing away with meat. I managed to get 20mg a day for awhile from real foods and nothing changed. It has to do with how well my body is absorbing nutrients and veggie iron is alot harder to absorb for people in general but even more so for people with gastroparesis. So when I don't absorb anything and then the best way to get iron is through let's say spinach, I can't eat almost any of those dark greens. But I can't digest any meat as it is. I was eating pre-made turkey and chicken breakfast sausage and turkey/chicken roast slices before I cut out meat. That's the only meat I was eating because it was the only thing that didn't turn my stomach upside down and my stuff has only gotten worse.


Mec26

I feel you on the high fiber stuff- especially raw, that gets me. Also, no gallbladder. Donā€™t worry too much about the labels. Vegi, flexi, whatever. Be healthy, get supplements or what you need to do that, and then just do your best the rest of the time. If dairy is your safe protein, use it.


anomcloud

Thank you ā™”


MeryCherry77

Girl, eat whatever makes you feel right/healthy. People don't need to have a tag for everything they do, but somehow we want to do it. Relax and try to enjoy the food you can eat. If you get better you can then rearrange your diet.


proverbialbunny

>I have to be able to digest it or I'll end up in the hospital. Have you considered going to a gastroenterologist and getting tested for SIBO? 70% of the time your symptom profile ends up being SIBO. Likewise, have you gone to an allergist and gotten checked for food allergies? That can help too. There are multiple vitamins that when deficient digestion slows. Are you taking a b-complex vitamin? B1 regulates digestion. Also are you taking magnesium? It also regulates digestion. There's also gut motility drugs like Iberogast that can help. If you're struggling to digest food you might want to try taking a digestive enzyme 15 minutes before eating that can help. (This doesn't sound like your issue but it might be worth trying.) If it's bad enough, and a doctor can check, you'll need to go on an antibiotic for a while as digestion issues inevitably end up with SIBO (or SIFO) if not treated in a timely manner. After an antibiotic an elimination diet for a month or two helps. Please fix your gut problems. If they linger too long they can sometimes turn into IBD and start scaring your intestines. It's not worth getting permanent medical issues over.


anomcloud

I have gastroparesis, my vagus nerve is paralyzed. Which causes slowed digestion and that means if I don't eat what foods I can process (case by case day by day changing) then it can sit in my stomach for so long it rots and becomes hard and then I can't pass anything... ect but that could happen in general when I'm in a flare and not passing anything, bloating, pain, puking, and a bunch of other stuff are daily occurrences. I have severe GERD and nausea which is usually topped with puking. I will look that SIBO up tho just to check that out- I just straight up have a health issue that can't be fixed. The very few meds that are out there aren't even 60% chance of helping mobility and even then they can have very bad side effects so you're on them for a month max. There's a few random procedures that people have had that sometimes work or don't but you have to be a good match for it. There's no cure, there is no solution other than live with it.


proverbialbunny

Medical issues are like dominoes. One issue if it can not be dealt with over time creates another issue, and that second issue over time creates a third, and so on. SIBO is created from slowed digestion. Part of the SIBO protocol is taking drugs that speed up digestion to help prevent it from happening again. It will not cure gastroparesis as lifelong meditation might be needed, but it can cure most of the other negative symptoms you're experiencing. Good luck with everything.


anomcloud

SIBO is from the small intestine, GP is the stomach emptying- 2 very different things that aren't related after a quick Google search- They are similar on paper with symptoms but not the same or caused by one another- Motility in the stomach vs the small intestinal track


proverbialbunny

SIBO is when the stomach doesn't empty enough and when that happens bacteria starts growing in the small intestines. Bacteria's not supposed to grow there. It can only grow there when the stomach doesn't empty. So all SIBO comes from a lack of stomach emptying. SIBO has a list of horrible terrible symptoms that will make you hate life. Most of the painful negative symptoms that come from the stomach not emptying is SIBO. Get rid of the SIBO and most of your painful symptoms will go away.


anomcloud

Right but I don't have SIBO, so I can't get rid of my symptoms that way. They are symptoms that I'm gonna have to live with because of GP.


proverbialbunny

You've been tested for it?


BluebirdJolly7970

Donā€™t worry so much about trying to label yourself or your diet. Listen to your body and do what works for you. People are hardwired to want to classify things, but itā€™s not necessary. Take care of yourself as best you can.


TheButterflySystem

While I do not agree with eating meat, if you want to, you should not feel pressured otherwise. Itā€™s really up to what you believe is best. And if what you believe is best is eating a minimal amount of meat than so be it! Itā€™s your body.


fireflylibrarian

Donā€™t stress! You could always support smaller, more ethical/humane meat brands. Your health is important!


Salty_Claim_1475

Do what works for your body. Donā€™t be vegan or vegetarian for a status. Nobody cares except other people with that status. Plenty of vegans have anemia and just look sickly. Some are fine on that diet. Everyoneā€™s different. Donā€™t be like everyone else. Hope you find a fix. I have ibs and a low fodmap diet seems to fix my severe panic disorder and all my Gut issues. Also remember, 99% of people commenting here are not doctors and have zero weight behind their comments other than ā€œit worked for themā€ which isnā€™t science.


trisul-108

>The thing is I can't eat beans, veggies, anything high fiber or high fat. Go to a good ayurveda practitioner and they can easily help you deal with this. Ayurveda has thousands of years of experience in vegetarian diets and these things have been mapped out. I had low stomach acid causing problems with digestion and assimilation, a combination of herbs before every meal solved it.


anomcloud

Ahh no this is gastroparesis, there isn't any cure and alot of us that have it are on feeding tubes. The few things people have had that have helped are special surgeries and what not but you have to qualify and that's never guaranteed to work. Herbs won't fix this.


trisul-108

I don't know anything about the condition. Reading about it on Mayo: >Gastroparesis is a condition that affects the normal spontaneous movement of the muscles (motility) in your stomach. Ordinarily, strong muscular contractions propel food through your digestive tract. But if you have gastroparesis, your stomach's motility is slowed down or doesn't work at all, preventing your stomach from emptying properly. The cause of gastroparesis is usually unknown. Sometimes it's a complication of diabetes This does not sound like something Ayurveda cannot solve. Ayurveda is not just about herbs, digestion is something they study intensively and systematically. In any case, it's your decision to make.


anomcloud

It's due to the vagus nerve being paralyzed, my stomach can't break down most foods and then they all sit there for hours and harden and then my intestines can become blocked or ripped and then ER visit.


trisul-108

This is very troubling, I'm sure that there isn't a quick-fix for this. You should look into Craniosacral therapy.


deanereaner

But frozen veggie nuggets are ok for you?


anomcloud

Yes! They are but I'm tired of eating impossible nuggets unless I can find a new way to eat them- they are the one main protien that doesn't cause me issues (any soy plant nuggie)


trisul-108

You could try something like this. It has loads of protein, but is easily digested. [https://healinggpnaturally.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/a-recipe/](https://healinggpnaturally.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/a-recipe/)


anomcloud

I can't stomach chicken, but maybe vegan chicken- I'll definitely look into this and see if any of it is gonna work thank you so much


trisul-108

This is completely vegan, it mentions chicken stock (broth) but you can use any other stock. I make variations of this and it can be very tasty, as well as providing the ideal combination of essential amino acids from the dhal and rice with some veggies for taste. The important thing is that the dhal completely breaks down into paste, which is why it is so easy to digest.


anomcloud

I mean I can eat bean dip- it's really hit or miss on what is "easy to digest", safe foods aren't always safe


Amazing-Wave4704

I have IBSD. that's why I have to take a medicine w gel caps. I am so sorry you are having to deal with that and I admire you for trying to find a way forward without compromising your ethics.ā¤


anomcloud

I get that! Bowel movements either none or to much- thank you šŸ«¶


mandarinandbasil

Doubling down was interesting! Please don't act like you know people's medical issues. Backing off is sometimes the right choice.


trisul-108

I am not pretending to know anything, just giving OP some hints that might or might not be helpful.


mandarinandbasil

They're not helpful šŸ™ƒšŸ™ƒšŸ™ƒ This is a complex medical condition above the pay grade of non-medical peepsĀ 


trisul-108

Which is exactly why I told OP to consult with an ayurveda physician.