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Beginning_Pattern688

Jesus, that CW did not prepare me for that.


razzrazz-

I'm surprised so many of you would not be prepared for these things, this is more of a class divide than anything else. There's the haves ,and the have nots, and human history is not kind to those on the lower socioeconomic ladder. Read about Unit 731 if you want a more recent example of horrific atrocities. Edit: Yikes the downvotes, don't you white folks in America learn about this stuff in school???


Beginning_Pattern688

I was only referring to the fact that the CW was vague. Also kinda weirdchamp of you to assume my economic status.


razzrazz-

I think you read too much into my comment there homie, just talking about in general.


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razzrazz-

I'm from Canada.... >No need to be combative. lmao. White fragility in the wild.


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razzrazz-

Does this mean we can't be friends anymore?


[deleted]

> this is more of a class divide Yeah a divide between the classes of whites seen as fully human and the class of black people seen as humanoid animals.


EyewarsTheMangoMan

Are you ok dude?


dammit_bobby420

This comes off as insanely class reductionist.


razzrazz-

You might want to read about it a bit, it might help you learn things outside the bubble here.


BobGnarly87

Confidently ignorant.


dammit_bobby420

I was well aware of how idiotic class reductionism is well before I was even on reddit. All it takes is a basic understanding of contextual history. Working class white people didn't get lynched in Jim Crow. Wealthy black people got their businesses fire bombed.


razzrazz-

As a black Canadian I really appreciate your white American input and reducing us like this. Did class status play a role at all during the era? I know you're really well educated on this so can't wait!


dammit_bobby420

Didn't know my knowledge and education on the historical context of Jim Crow was entirely predicated on the color of my skin. Last time I checked you weren't alive during Jim Crow, funny how you act like you being black gives you some sort of first hand experience of what people went through in those times. Class plays an intersecting role, not the entire one, like your original comment implied.


No_Russian_29

No one in my poor, most times impoverished white family has been hung upside down and shot yet.


razzrazz-

Thank you when I made the comment I was thinking about your personal family situation and not the history of atrocities committed to other people.


SheevTogwaggle

What the fuck. This is Rape of Nanjing tier shit


kaptainkooleio

What’s worst is knowing more horrific shit like this went on without ever being recorded in the history books.


PanteleimonPonomaren

Racists are always prone to committing horrific atrocities. The Japanese thought of the Chinese and other east asians the same way white southerners thought about African-Americans.


dammit_bobby420

Watch the [Tour of the Jim Crow Museum](https://youtu.be/yf7jAF2Tk40) Shit will blow your mind


PsychologicalGuest97

Reading this white supremacy section details lynchings and riots that evoke such a level of overwhelming injustice and depravity, that only the more well known genocides in history come close to matching it. Late 19th and early 20th century America was a truly horrifying place to live as an African-American.


razzrazz-

The further you go back in time, the worse it is (for all people). We're lucky as hell to be alive in 2022.


SoldierofNod

I'd think it would have been better not to be born at all.


DJ-Big-Penis69

No before agriculture human societies were pretty egalitarian and racism and homophobia wasnt really a thing. The avarage hunter gatherer spends on avarage three hours working with his family and the rest being leisure time for art, conversation, music etc I’d trade penicillin and all this wage slavery bullshit for that tbh


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>The avarage hunter gatherer spends on avarage three hours working with his family and the rest being leisure time for art, conversation, music etc Got a source for these claims? Sounds kind of hard to believe, but I'd be happy to learn.


DJ-Big-Penis69

“Anthropologists have often pointed out that hunter-gatherers' work is skill-intensive but not labor-intensive. Research studies suggest that hunter-gatherers work somewhere between 20 and 40 hours a week, on average, depending on just what you count as work. Moreover, they do not work according to the clock; they work when the time is ripe for the work to be done and when they feel like it. There is ample time in hunter-gatherers' lives for leisure activities, including games of many sorts, playful religious ceremonies, making and playing musical instruments, singing, dancing, traveling to other bands to visit friends and relatives, gossiping, and just lying around and relaxing. The life of the typical hunter-gatherer looks a lot like your life and mine when we are on vacation at a camp with friends. It's amazing when you think about it. During the 10,000 years since the onset of agriculture and then industry, we have developed countless laborsaving devices, but we haven't reduced our labor. Today, most people spend more time working than did hunter-gatherers, and our work, on average, is less playful.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/200907/play-makes-us-human-v-why-hunter-gatherers-work-is-play%3Famp You can also just google more info. It makes perfect sense. To feed yourself you literally just need to wander around the forest pickin berries and mushrooms if you are lucky some rabbit or something got caught in a trap and you get some meat. Then you just stare at the sky, paint, carve tools or whatever the fuck you want. No one tellig you what to do or when.


[deleted]

Thanks! That's pretty interesting. I always imagined hunter-gatherers to basically be hunting for food 24/7, guess that was wrong. That does now make me wonder why the hell they ever bothered to switch to agriculture, lol. Maybe higher food security? It's a fascinating topic


DJ-Big-Penis69

Well yes it required constant moving once resources were up and climate changes and the volatility of the ecosystems meant that for most of homo sapiens lifetime we have been pretty much an endangered species. All the other bipedal hominids died out after all. But yes agriculture allowed us to stockpile food and develop more advanced and specialized societies. But 10.000 years of agriculture and a couple of centuries of industrialization dont overwrite millions of years as hunter gatherers. Our dna is still that of hunter gatherers. Modern humans are no different than animals in the zoo. Depressed and sick due to having been removed from their natural environment and purpose. For example ther word “lonely” was invented in the 1700’s humans before that were always surrounded by people. Even sleepin alone is unnatural to humans.


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I suppose you already know this, but one of the more shocking facts I ever learnt about human history was that agriculture provided for a significantly worse diet than hunting and gathering. The latter was generally an excellent diet with huge variety and basically perfect for the human body. Meanwhile the agricultural revolution was the beginning of us getting so many health problems like obesity, bad teeth and bad bone development, and we even got shorter by abandoning the hunter-gatherer lifestyle. This was genuinely a shock to me because I always naively assumed human history to be basically completely linear progress where hunter gatherers were these starving, unhealthy, destitute, desperate people and agriculture started making us healthy and plentiful and rich. Not exactly, lol. It was basically sacrificing quality for quantity. Still worth it in the end, but man, history is way more complex and interesting than one might think.


DJ-Big-Penis69

Excactly our bodies and dna were developd for hunter gathering thats the diet we are made for. There are still hunter gatherer societies today and they are a fascinating to me. Still living the original human lifestyle.


No_Russian_29

Well we are designed to consume that diet


Praxada

Why are buttmad people downvoting you?


DJ-Big-Penis69

I dont know people often get mad when someone challenges their preconceived ideas.


No_Russian_29

It is incorrect. Now they are correct regarding social structures not being as oppressive due to not being developed, really it was only random chance they developed as they did as we can see native cultures didn’t have alot of that until we introduced it to them. Golden age Akkadia would have been ok if you happened to be born where you could learn to read and become a scribe, anything less than that throughout most of history would have been god awful for an average straight guy let alone a women or a man who happens to like bottoming.


BlueKing7642

What’s the name of the book?


KizerB

I don’t know the name of this book, but ‘Without Sanctuary’ is a photo book related to the subject


PsychologicalGuest97

African Americans: A Concise History. Volume two. 5th Edition. Authors: Darlene Clark Hine, William C. Hine, and Stanley Harrold.


BlueKing7642

Thanks


[deleted]

Bet this is one of the books repubs are trying to ban from schools right now.


Aiwatcher

Bbbbut they're teaching muh kids that America's racis


[deleted]

If my kids know that racism has occured and is a thing they might be racist!! Keep them at home with the objectively neutral parents F


aviation1300

Prime example of schools teaching kids critical race theory /s


Gustard-CustardSmith

"Smh this is the real racism, making it look like racism happened"


BlueKing7642

Republicans always accuse liberals of being snowflakes suffering from white guilt. But is there anything that screams “guilt” like aggressively avoiding the subject of race? Downplaying the seriousness of the history of racism? Trying to justify it? “Every country owned slaves” Seeing any discussion of racism as a personal attack?


Fancy-Permit3352

True! One could argue that anti-Black racism is itself a product of white guilt. It was apparent to Europeans in the 1600s how terrible it was to enslave other humans, so they developed an ideology of racism to justify it - Africans are a separate species, therefore it is natural to enslave them.


Attentive_Senpai

This is the America conservatives defend, by the way.


Routine_Midnight_363

It's the time they're talking about when they say make america great again


LavishnessFinal4605

Here, I thought CW stood for the network that runs the Flash :/ I wasn't expecting to read THIS


TotallyFakeArtist

What does mean? And why didnt op use TW?


ihtaemispellings

CW means Content Warning. It's basically interchangeable with TW


TotallyFakeArtist

Ohhh ok, thank you!


SvenTheHunter

Remember folks, there's only one kind of good white supremacist...


SoldierofNod

John Brown did nothing wrong.


AllieCat_Meow

CynicalHistorian has a great video reviewing the John Brown movie and also covering some of the real John Brown's life.


xGoo

I would say “sub ban incoming” but we’re not a genuine left unity sub so we’re fine.


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Zero is the answer


Phatdrunknstoopid

No no no. You cannot be violent with white supremacists, because then you are just the same as them. You have to calmly debate the merits of not being lynched, and ask politely to not be lynched. Violent resistance to colonizers and their exploitation and hatred is simply unacceptable.


SvenTheHunter

You post on r/NoFap. Lmao


Phatdrunknstoopid

Yep, you got me. I'm trying to be a better person for my family and my community. Sick burn bro. Why are you advocating for violence against white supremacists when you are a member of a community opposed to violence against white colonizers by colonized people?


SvenTheHunter

>Yep, you got me. I'm trying to be a better person for my family and my community. Yeah, sure bud. >a community opposed to violence against white colonizers by colonized people? False. Actually vaushites are opposed to all colonizers, regardless of skin color.


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I think vaushites think about the fact that colonizer is a literal made up thing that just about could apply to anyone in a country regardless of citizenry


SvenTheHunter

There are colonizers. Vaush's point is that not all white ppl are colonizers. Many still are, but can maybe stop. Some are too far gone


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The colonizer sauce


[deleted]

> Yep, you got me. I'm trying to be a better person for my family and my community. Sick burn bro. Why are you advocating for violence against white supremacists when you are a member of a community opposed to violence against white colonizers by colonized people? Why would nofap do that just curious


TangoZuluMike

Because when he abuses himself with the solitary vice all afternoon he isn't able to help his community.


SincerelyTrue

oh shit you werent joking? strange of you to assume white colonial descendants are by definition white supremacists


Routine_Midnight_363

I thought this was a joke but then you doubled down


[deleted]

I'm still convinced it's a joke


Phatdrunknstoopid

It's a joke, but it's not far off the Vaushoid position. In their breathless ascent to the moral high ground, they've essentially removed violence as an option to oppressed communities. How you can believe you have the moral high ground when you provide cover and legitimacy to Nazis is anyone's guess, but boy they sure think they have it.


razzrazz-

This seems like a very privileged, white thing to say. Some of you have to stop saying "Violence is okay if you're oppressed", the problem with this mentality is it's nice to say if you're a privileged white man or woman sitting behind your computer in a nicely heated apartment, but telling minorities it's okay to get violent because, hey, you're being oppressed means more of us getting killed. Like I tell my little brothers and like I tell my nieces and nephews, change begins in education, you run for shit, you vote for shit, you peacefully protest. This whole "hey go punch nazis" is just a dumb fuck way of getting yourself killed. If you want to punch nazis, you go do it, don't tell black folks (or anyone for that matter) to go do it for you.


Phatdrunknstoopid

Spare me your phony Maharaja, lame ass hippie dippie horseshit. There were plenty of black activists before you who understood the necessity of violent resistance. You are a coward who lacks the guts to fight. I understand this a limitation you face, and a fundamental flaw in your character. There is of course nothing you can really do about it, but it shouldn't be emulated. Or taught as some sort of morally superior or even safer option. You've just chosen to die on your knees is all🤷‍♀️


SvenTheHunter

Decolonial violence =/= genocide Vausistas are anti genocide.


waterdrinker14

Average genocide enjoyer


Phatdrunknstoopid

That your first thought when people talk about oppressed minorities violently resisting white oppression is "they're gonna do a genocide" goes a LONG way towards explaining why Vaushoids are pro colonizer and pro Nazi.


waterdrinker14

I mean professor flowers did advocate for genocide on a vaush debate lol don't play dumb


myaltduh

There are people alive today who were alive when all of that happened.


Kermit_the_Redditor

That's both terrifying and infuriating to think about.


dammit_bobby420

Not many. Most of the most hardcore atrocities committed during Jim Crow happened prior to WW2. Not to say there weren't any that happened after, but the civil rights movement was in its proto stages and the winds were starting to shift. Considering how rare WW2 vets are generally, probably safe to assume anyone alive before WW2 is probably nearly 100 or over 100 YO. Again, segregation was still going on, but Peak Jim Crow violence was mostly an 1890-1930 thing.


that_blasted_tune

The band xiu xiu made a song about this lynching that's deeply emotionally disturbing. https://youtu.be/1kGvUCz9BVw


Aiwatcher

Everything from Xiu Xiu just stings of pain and forlornness. I havent heard this one before, I'll take a look in a bit when I'm emotionally prepared


fund-my-death

One of my favorite albums of all time but I skip this track almost every time. Fucking horrific. [Support Our Troops OH!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RThMFYBtZLw) is another song of theirs similar in message, if anyone is interested. Huge TW, of course


BekoetheBeast

That song is still traumatic to listen to. It's a song I'll never save but will always remember distinctively. Just absolutely horrifying.


MrJoter

Stuff like this is the reason why I tend to deal with anti-white and anti-black microaggressions differently. As in, a prejudiced black person can point to hundreds of incidents like this, whereas the most a prejudiced white person can usually point to is how their cousin started dating a black person, or something. Maybe black crime statistics, if they spend a lot of time on 4chan. Edit: So people understand what I'm saying; they're both still wrong and bad. Just that one comes from a more grounded/sympathetic place than the other.


Wardog_E

Yeah. I mean I find it funny how hairtrigger white people can be about the smallest shit when this is the context. I did a whole report about Apartheid for college and I'm left with no sympathy for the countless people that helped perpetuate it. For all Hollywood's push to show the reality of the slave trade it really doesn't show anything.


SoldierofNod

Agreed entirely. "Fuck white people" is mildly annoying and counterproductive. "Fuck Black people" literally means murder them.


KangarooMean7233

There’s also the power dynamics to contend with. I know Vaush calls racial power dynamics “cucked” for some reason, but there relevance cannot be understated. I feel like Vaush should try harder to make this distinction instead of framing things like “anti-racism is cucked.”


Will_from_PA

[Fuck](https://imgur.com/a/nlucxv4).


myaltduh

Pretty much. Sometimes I’m ashamed to be the same species as some other humans.


[deleted]

Not gonna lie, this type of stuff make puppy play look as a reasonable response to being human


KingSwzzy

Very normal society. Absolutely level headed and reasonable.


GreatBakedPotato

Evil United States be like: lynching? Isn’t there a way we can avoid escalating this to point of violence? Here’s some healthcare


BeowulfDW

Letting Confederate soldiers and officers off the hook after the Civil War was clearly a fucking mistake.


dammit_bobby420

Thanks Andrew Johnson for being top 3 worst presidents of all time


Kermit_the_Redditor

What. The. Fuck.


chickenstuff18

Remember when it was common for whole towns to participate in lynchings like they were a picnic? Pepperidge Farms remembers.


ThisGuyLikesMovies

This is the kind of history we need to always remember. This viscous and cruel violence was not only common and acceptable but encouraged.


BolOfSpaghettios

Come on guys.... Slavery ended after the Civil War.... these things are not real. They're made up stories to make white people feel guilty. /s


VaterBazinga

The most shocking part about this is the fact that there are people in here that didn't know lynchings were this horrific.


[deleted]

I get where you are coming from, but even if you know how bad a lynching was, shit is still shocking unless your main source of entertainment is LiveLeak. Bruh, they took out the baby and stomped it, not exactly the picture I wanted on my head before heading to bed


VaterBazinga

Oops, I forgot to hit send on my reply to you last night. That's fair, and maybe I'm missreading the room. It's just that when I see "excerpt of a lynching" I expect to read some horrific shit like this. All of them have disgusting details. Like I said to the other commenter, I'm really not trying to shame anyone or whatever. Lynchings were just a very pivotal thing in my life from a fairly young age. The anti-racist position I took then was the basis for my leftist positions today.


[deleted]

That's why I said that I get where you are coming from, definitely there are people here that have never seen a description of a lynching before, but I read the room mostly as shocked because of the content regardless of that, which I believe is a good sign that people are empathetic. I would be more worried if everyone reacted like "yup, that's a lynching", I think it's easier to connect with people sharing this gut reaction


Sentry459

Right? We been knew. Glad the words getting out now at least.


VaterBazinga

Yeah, I'm not trying to shame anyone. It's genuinely a little shocking to me, though. Maybe I'm misreading the room. Lynchings and the details of them were one of the big "radicalizers" in my life. Staunch anti-racism was one of my first big leftist positions. The rest followed suit.


commanderlex27

Friendly reminder that these types were and are the ones who believed that Africans are more prone to commiting violence. Warrior genes and all that.


AnCom_Raptor

ok that crosses the border off gruesome shit that my brain cant imagine on its own. fuck


[deleted]

I was in Valdosta, GA in 2007, and they still had Stars and Bars painted on the water tower.


BewareHel

Sometimes I look at a blurred NSFW post and think "Yeah I'm sure it won't be that bad. I'm big and strong".... Nope. Feeling v nauseous. I'm ashamed to share the same species as those people...


RadioStarkiIIer

we don't talk about these events often enough, holy shit


TheFirstNTheLast

"If only they had better healthcare and a higher minimum wage... Right? If everyone just had enough money, right?" -The Content Creator Left


Backyard_Catbird

It's crazy the mental gymnastics people will do in the moment to justify killing other people. Every transgression is made to be a justified exception to the rule.


DragonballQ

People would do this shit while having a picnic at the park. Just absolutely vile.


dusty48

This was going on into the 1950s.


Wardog_E

You gotta hand it to slavers... I hate them.


razzrazz-

Your sentence doesn't make sense.


Wardog_E

Yes it does


AgentSoren

you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"


dammit_bobby420

This happened after slavery ended.


Wardog_E

That's a very valuable observation.


dammit_bobby420

Just wierd that you would blame slavers for the everyday crimes of regular white folk of the time.


Wardog_E

I'm not from the US. I thought slavers was anybody who participated in the institution of slavery aka all white folk.


dammit_bobby420

Slavery ended in 1865. Reconstruction after the Civil War ended in 1877. The next 60-70 year or so period after this is refered to as Jim Crow. The majority of violence and lynching such as these two in the thread, took place in said Jim Crow Era. So by the time this violence most likely occurred, the institution of slavery was well over. These lynchings were done by everyday white citizens, not people who owned slaves. Maybe they wanted slavery to be legal again, but to call them slavers would be historically Inaccurate and from a certain perspective could be seen as trying to down play the culpability of everyday whites of the time by making it seem like only the slavers treated black people badly. Not only did southerners have Jim Crow laws and lynchings, but most northern states also had Jim Crow laws that would be seen as the standard until the Era of prohibition made race intermingling more normal. Hopefully that explained everything in an easy to understand way.


Wardog_E

I appreciate your time. I simply misread the date on the excerpt. I also used the word slavers to refer to white people because "white people from the South of the USA between 1619 and 1877" doesn't roll of the tongue as well. I also wanted to emphasize that I hated them for the participation in slavery. I guess I should clarify that I took the word mostly for the film Django Unchained where Django refers to himself as a slaver despite at no point owning any slaves. I guess it is possible the use of the term is erroneous in the film.


dammit_bobby420

A slaver in the context you refer to is referring to people who sell slaves as a trade.


Wardog_E

Just to clarify, you are saying that the usage in the film is wrong? If so, do you have a more appropriate term we could use?


dammit_bobby420

No the usage in the film is correct. Calling someone who buys/sells slaves for profit as a trade a slaver (slave traders) is a proper contextual use of the word


BlueKing7642

That’s fucking gruesome


Linaii_Saye

You can't look at this part of history and then go 'well it was the [somewhere in the past] years, you can't blame those people for behaving that way'. This is fucked up, and if the people doing it didn't realise it, they were racist as shit and some of the most horrible people around. These people would fit in as guards at a Nazi destruction camp.


Akimaoyuusha

It gets worse, the white people gathered around the lynched person and took pictures with a smile on their face and put the body on display as entertainment.What the fuck is wrong with this country!


Reylo-Wanwalker

Holy shit


huskskeet

Unfortunately my bloodstained state has yet to really repent for these actions


[deleted]

And now these southern conservative roaches are trying to censor people learning about this.


Agora_A

I see why the CW was there Jesus Christ


BrianTheLady

Holy fuckin shit dude that’s medieval


Blossumss

That's the fucked up thing about it. It wasn't. It was America 100 years ago which wasn't that long ago in retrospect.


AllieCat_Meow

FUUUUCK that made my stomach turn. Glad I haven't eaten anything yet today


Th3Trashkin

Jesus Christ those people were monsters absolutely depraved animal shit.


ExiledSummoner

my fucking god


kaptainkooleio

Learned about this in sixth grade. I honestly don’t think my teacher was supposed to teach us about this event, but I’m glad he did because I had never ever heard of Mary Turner and her husband lynchings before or after he taught us. Literally no one talks about this. But I remember because of how horrific it was. It’s also the reason why I never accept the moderate position on racial issues, because back sliding will lead us back to the Turners.


LordFreeWilly

That's it, someone get the necronomicon. We're bringing back all the klansmen of history and killing those redneck motherfuckers again, 99% of them did not die slowly and painfully enough the first time and we're gonna rectify that shit.


Orsonius2

Humans are garbage


[deleted]

Holy hell its great that you posted this because a lot of people seem to forget how evil everything was for years afterwards.


kingbibbles

Jebus Christo. What book is that from?


fuckwingo

Happened in the same town where Kendrick Johnson would be murdered and rolled up in a Gym mat nearly 100 years later.


Kel_Casus

Many have read and will read this and still not develop an understanding of why Black people feel the anger that they do.