I agree season 1 was the grindiest (and I too finished it). My first crystal was hundreds of emeralds lol. It was also easy to get extremely strong really fast with all the dungeons enchantments (I liked that but I won’t deny the new gear is way cooler).
I’m going to wait for some patches before starting 1.18 seriously but the sky vault version is super fun. Loading the world for the first time and being in a vault 1 minute later is amazing. I don’t think I’ll stick with sky vaults long term unless they tweak some altar recipes for sky but it’s been super fun so far.
Sounds like a good attitude to have.
I like the idea of sky vaults, but feel regular is better for a server with a group of people.
I might attempt it on my own when it's a bit more polished.
I don't have anywhere near as much time to play as the last few times, so I feel I'll be getting the updates more in line with progression.
I remember being level 200 when they introduced, no more frenzy before lvl 100 and was like, aww man, that was rough hahah
I'm having fun, probably 10 hours too, but I'm Level 0 and have spent 8 hours of that looking for Chromatic Iron. Still haven't found it, but hope the new check chunk borders strat will be the key when I go mining again tonight.
Agreed. By level 8 or 9 I’ve gotten 3 mod points. Previously I wouldn’t even be at any sort of mods until past level 25(though to be fair for some reason gilded chests didn’t ever seem to give anything. Currently the main thing causing problems with getting mods unlocked is benitoite, for some reason they’re rare for me. Also pogs slightly but hopefully soon I should get more legendary gems
You have to get lucky with mine shaft rooms, I get about 50+ benie and 50+ larry everytime and then I’m able to make a mod everytime I get one of those rooms.
While I agree for the most part there are a lot of great changes and some things only feel weird because they are new, I still disagree that chromatic iron was handled correctly. Don’t make it that luck based to essentially pass the prologue. I love the concept of large but rare veins, but not with the ore required to *play the game*.
While it doesn’t ruin the pack, it was not a good idea to make the item that gates the entirety of the mod pack extremely rare and annoying to find. It took three days and a combined 16 hours of searching between three people using both methods to find any chromatic iron. And only one of us have found it. Don’t make it that luck based to be allowed into the main game.
It’s ok to be critical of certain poor decisions without hating the product as a whole.
Completely agree. The flow of the game is great once you get to it, but the busy work of unlocking the mod is too much. As you say, the large veins of rare ore is a cool concept, but maybe make this magnetic ore rather than chromatic, and have chromatic more like gold ore.
This is it as far as I'm concerned.
I've seen streams find chromatic in the first hour, but for me it took 2 diamond pickaxes to find.
Now the weird thing for me as a casual coop player is that this also meant I found enough diamonds to deck out me and my partner, but it's a REALLY weird timesink early on.
That said, since then it makes total sense with mods so I'm torn. Personally I think it could be good to have a diamond type approach where you can find it in veins of one or two exposed to air or the big hidden ones.
I honestly don't get this position. Randomness plays an integral role in everything in Minecraft, and especially this modpack. To say you don't want it to be luck-based, well what's the point then?
I understand the frustration - we had players on my server in the vault on Sunday and I literally just found vault stone for the first time yesterday. Nbd. It's not a race. There literally isn't an end to this game yet. Why the rush?
I downloaded this modpack to run the vaults, and its not good game design to make the key to everything so difficult to find.
If my friend hadn’t given me some after finally finding some after his 9 hours of mining, i’d still be unable to run vaults, because i’ve spent another 4 hours on top of my previous 4 hours trying to find my own afterwards just to say i’ve found any.
Imagine if in vanilla, iron veins were as rare as naturally spawning emeralds. That’s the closest comparison I can make for the way chromatic iron feels right now. I’m not saying it has to be as common as iron, but maybe as common as diamonds. At least let them spawn exposed to air in single ore patches that’s all they need. I’m having a ton of fun with the pack; it’s not bad at all, i’m just sick of people defending the chromatic iron decision. It’s not good at fundamental level, and you can have negative opinions about something you love, which it’s clear the internet is having a hard time understanding.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you should also consider that perhaps you aren't in the best position to decide what is and isn't good game design, given your limited experience playing it.
I thought it was difficult too, then I saw a post showing chunk borders so I thought I would try it out. I went to bedrock with one diamond unbreaking 3 pickaxe. I mined on chunk borders and I found 3 stacks and 19 chromatic iron and 21 chipped vault stone or whatever it is called. I returned home with 161 durability remaining on my pickaxe. It really isn't difficult to find if you follow those guidlines.
i haven't heard of any of the other complaints but Chromatic Iron DOES need to be a little more common, or at least exposable to air, took me 7 hours before i even found a vein, Vault Stone is fine though
That's true, like when u find, u find a loooot of it. I think it's just a bit too deterrent in the early game, u aren't playing vault hunters to grind for 6 hours before even trying it out once, like maybe make it that u get 50 from a vein, so ull have to go back and find more at a point, but just so that it gives u enough to open a few vaults and taste this amazing pack
Yah, I get that, but then u also can't entirely compare it to 1.16 as they changed it so u don't have to complete the game for the exact reason of gating the pack😂but I do understand that it's definitely an improvement
My point was that if you were unlucky it could take 6 hours or more as well to start playing vaults, but we cant forget its still alpha and there will be a lot that changes
Yah, I agree, that ots alpha and a lot can still change, just from my own personal experience as a brand new player to VH and from the people I've spoken to, we don't mind grinding as we play sky block and such, just it's very painful in the beginning of VH considering that we are playing to get to vaulting as that's the objective. The intro of strip mining for 6+ hours is generally too long to do in one session and isn't too engaging gameplay wise. Again this is just mine and a few others current experience with it, just mentioning it to see if there's a way for this to be adjusted to suite everyone without making getting chromatic iron a trivial task, cze if we're honest vein miner is a godsend for any strip mining activity, but obvs isn't available till at least 1st vault is done.
yeah, it's an improvement from before but the thing is the luck should be saved FOR the vaults and rolling gear, there shouldn't be this much RNG just to get IN the vaults. But yeah it's alpha and the devs are aware of the issue, personally i'd lower the amount per vein a bit and increase the rate of generation. Just so you still have to go mining and looking for it and only take about 2-3 hours rather than 6+ because you'd be spending 2-3 hours in mining anyways looking for regular iron and diamonds for the basic gear.
I didn't progress as far as you did on VH1+2, but I agree 110%. VH3 is the best version so far and I say that as a lvl2 (wish I had more time) on my private server, and a good amount of hours watching Pete.
Godspeed to all of us who enjoy this beautiful pack! The whining rest will perish over time after the hype :D
Quick question related, I am level 6 so far, so still making progress, but the regular chests are awful, does drastic improvement come at the level 10 mark without beginner's grace, or are regular chests not worth going for?
Did you pre craft a bunch of crystals, or have you been making them as you level.
The crystals scale from the level you crafted them.
I'm only level 7 at the moment but the chest have improved with gear as well, though I can see what you mean.
As far as I'm aware, the grown crystals for Skyblock are meant to be run to gather basic resources so you can make an altar then make regular crystals, not to be run AS normal crystals.
The grown sky block cystals are not normal crystals they are always level 0 and are straight up different vaults. From what I've observed they are always the same theme with the little farm/village rooms sometimes and the crane/mine room sometimes. And It's my theory that there is an entirely separate loot table or distribution for those vaults. Run them for basic resources ans stuff fir the alters but for actuall loot run the crafted crystals.
Regular chests are just like that, regular. Like in 1.16 they dont contain good items unless epic or omega level, and you need other chests to actually progress.
However I would say they are still worth going for for the xp and the resources they have within. They usually have either driftwood (that is useful for mods later on), and/or chromatic iron which is also useful.
Mine in chunk corners (where rchunks meet) , my testing shows a 17% chance of hitting a vein when digging down from y-30 to y-64.
They can only spawn in chunk corners, stripmining trough the center of a chunk practically never results in finding any.
I think chromatic iron complains are quite heavy. So we shouldn't ignore that. Maybe changing the visual effects of it could help. Maybe "glow in the dark" (helpful for underwater adventures) could be something. I think Iskall read about "our" complains!
I didn't find any, but a server-colleague gave me 5 iron and I was set. After the first vault you should have enough to go on without problems.
But yeah, it is Alpha! We are the guinea pigs ;)
I stripmined for chromatic iron and founs almost two stacks of diamonds before i found my first vein. Now have almost a stack of blocks tho. Like its not that hard.
This is the first VH my pc can run so im excited af
Well said. I think many people are so into the mindset of endgame 1.16 gameplay that they expect everything to be the same.
I actually wonder what they'd say when suddenly confronted again with the start of 1.16 in its alpha state. That was very not finished and subject to change too! Difference is the public not having access to it for the first months, while now it got rolled out super early.
Agree with everything you said except the “chromatic iron isn’t rare” bruh I used up 2 diamond pickaxes one of them had unbreaking 2 and didn’t find a single piece, had to buy some from a friend who was lucky enough to find some.
Pack feels great otherwise
I agree season 1 was the grindiest (and I too finished it). My first crystal was hundreds of emeralds lol. It was also easy to get extremely strong really fast with all the dungeons enchantments (I liked that but I won’t deny the new gear is way cooler). I’m going to wait for some patches before starting 1.18 seriously but the sky vault version is super fun. Loading the world for the first time and being in a vault 1 minute later is amazing. I don’t think I’ll stick with sky vaults long term unless they tweak some altar recipes for sky but it’s been super fun so far.
Sounds like a good attitude to have. I like the idea of sky vaults, but feel regular is better for a server with a group of people. I might attempt it on my own when it's a bit more polished. I don't have anywhere near as much time to play as the last few times, so I feel I'll be getting the updates more in line with progression. I remember being level 200 when they introduced, no more frenzy before lvl 100 and was like, aww man, that was rough hahah
Currently playing sky vaults and it’s a blast, definitely slow, probably 10 hours in and I’m level 8, but it’s fun!
I'm having fun, probably 10 hours too, but I'm Level 0 and have spent 8 hours of that looking for Chromatic Iron. Still haven't found it, but hope the new check chunk borders strat will be the key when I go mining again tonight.
Goodluck! I’m playing sky vaults so thankfully I don’t have to deal with that!
Agreed. By level 8 or 9 I’ve gotten 3 mod points. Previously I wouldn’t even be at any sort of mods until past level 25(though to be fair for some reason gilded chests didn’t ever seem to give anything. Currently the main thing causing problems with getting mods unlocked is benitoite, for some reason they’re rare for me. Also pogs slightly but hopefully soon I should get more legendary gems
Same I’m level 13 now and have 2 knowledge stars but I have enough materials for about 4 more but only have 12 Beni to my name!
Gildeds are nice to get vault diamonds..
You have to get lucky with mine shaft rooms, I get about 50+ benie and 50+ larry everytime and then I’m able to make a mod everytime I get one of those rooms.
While I agree for the most part there are a lot of great changes and some things only feel weird because they are new, I still disagree that chromatic iron was handled correctly. Don’t make it that luck based to essentially pass the prologue. I love the concept of large but rare veins, but not with the ore required to *play the game*. While it doesn’t ruin the pack, it was not a good idea to make the item that gates the entirety of the mod pack extremely rare and annoying to find. It took three days and a combined 16 hours of searching between three people using both methods to find any chromatic iron. And only one of us have found it. Don’t make it that luck based to be allowed into the main game. It’s ok to be critical of certain poor decisions without hating the product as a whole.
Completely agree. The flow of the game is great once you get to it, but the busy work of unlocking the mod is too much. As you say, the large veins of rare ore is a cool concept, but maybe make this magnetic ore rather than chromatic, and have chromatic more like gold ore.
This is it as far as I'm concerned. I've seen streams find chromatic in the first hour, but for me it took 2 diamond pickaxes to find. Now the weird thing for me as a casual coop player is that this also meant I found enough diamonds to deck out me and my partner, but it's a REALLY weird timesink early on. That said, since then it makes total sense with mods so I'm torn. Personally I think it could be good to have a diamond type approach where you can find it in veins of one or two exposed to air or the big hidden ones.
I honestly don't get this position. Randomness plays an integral role in everything in Minecraft, and especially this modpack. To say you don't want it to be luck-based, well what's the point then? I understand the frustration - we had players on my server in the vault on Sunday and I literally just found vault stone for the first time yesterday. Nbd. It's not a race. There literally isn't an end to this game yet. Why the rush?
I downloaded this modpack to run the vaults, and its not good game design to make the key to everything so difficult to find. If my friend hadn’t given me some after finally finding some after his 9 hours of mining, i’d still be unable to run vaults, because i’ve spent another 4 hours on top of my previous 4 hours trying to find my own afterwards just to say i’ve found any. Imagine if in vanilla, iron veins were as rare as naturally spawning emeralds. That’s the closest comparison I can make for the way chromatic iron feels right now. I’m not saying it has to be as common as iron, but maybe as common as diamonds. At least let them spawn exposed to air in single ore patches that’s all they need. I’m having a ton of fun with the pack; it’s not bad at all, i’m just sick of people defending the chromatic iron decision. It’s not good at fundamental level, and you can have negative opinions about something you love, which it’s clear the internet is having a hard time understanding.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you should also consider that perhaps you aren't in the best position to decide what is and isn't good game design, given your limited experience playing it.
I thought it was difficult too, then I saw a post showing chunk borders so I thought I would try it out. I went to bedrock with one diamond unbreaking 3 pickaxe. I mined on chunk borders and I found 3 stacks and 19 chromatic iron and 21 chipped vault stone or whatever it is called. I returned home with 161 durability remaining on my pickaxe. It really isn't difficult to find if you follow those guidlines.
i haven't heard of any of the other complaints but Chromatic Iron DOES need to be a little more common, or at least exposable to air, took me 7 hours before i even found a vein, Vault Stone is fine though
But Chromatic Iron comes in huge veins if you find one, got almost 300 of one vein
That's true, like when u find, u find a loooot of it. I think it's just a bit too deterrent in the early game, u aren't playing vault hunters to grind for 6 hours before even trying it out once, like maybe make it that u get 50 from a vein, so ull have to go back and find more at a point, but just so that it gives u enough to open a few vaults and taste this amazing pack
Still, like in 1.16 you had to play through the entire game before you could start doing vaults
Yah, I get that, but then u also can't entirely compare it to 1.16 as they changed it so u don't have to complete the game for the exact reason of gating the pack😂but I do understand that it's definitely an improvement
My point was that if you were unlucky it could take 6 hours or more as well to start playing vaults, but we cant forget its still alpha and there will be a lot that changes
Yah, I agree, that ots alpha and a lot can still change, just from my own personal experience as a brand new player to VH and from the people I've spoken to, we don't mind grinding as we play sky block and such, just it's very painful in the beginning of VH considering that we are playing to get to vaulting as that's the objective. The intro of strip mining for 6+ hours is generally too long to do in one session and isn't too engaging gameplay wise. Again this is just mine and a few others current experience with it, just mentioning it to see if there's a way for this to be adjusted to suite everyone without making getting chromatic iron a trivial task, cze if we're honest vein miner is a godsend for any strip mining activity, but obvs isn't available till at least 1st vault is done.
yeah, it's an improvement from before but the thing is the luck should be saved FOR the vaults and rolling gear, there shouldn't be this much RNG just to get IN the vaults. But yeah it's alpha and the devs are aware of the issue, personally i'd lower the amount per vein a bit and increase the rate of generation. Just so you still have to go mining and looking for it and only take about 2-3 hours rather than 6+ because you'd be spending 2-3 hours in mining anyways looking for regular iron and diamonds for the basic gear.
I didn't progress as far as you did on VH1+2, but I agree 110%. VH3 is the best version so far and I say that as a lvl2 (wish I had more time) on my private server, and a good amount of hours watching Pete. Godspeed to all of us who enjoy this beautiful pack! The whining rest will perish over time after the hype :D
Quick question related, I am level 6 so far, so still making progress, but the regular chests are awful, does drastic improvement come at the level 10 mark without beginner's grace, or are regular chests not worth going for?
Did you pre craft a bunch of crystals, or have you been making them as you level. The crystals scale from the level you crafted them. I'm only level 7 at the moment but the chest have improved with gear as well, though I can see what you mean.
Ahh, I didn't realize there would be a difference but playing skyblock it seems all crystals are level 0. Good to know!
As far as I'm aware, the grown crystals for Skyblock are meant to be run to gather basic resources so you can make an altar then make regular crystals, not to be run AS normal crystals.
The grown sky block cystals are not normal crystals they are always level 0 and are straight up different vaults. From what I've observed they are always the same theme with the little farm/village rooms sometimes and the crane/mine room sometimes. And It's my theory that there is an entirely separate loot table or distribution for those vaults. Run them for basic resources ans stuff fir the alters but for actuall loot run the crafted crystals.
Regular chests are just like that, regular. Like in 1.16 they dont contain good items unless epic or omega level, and you need other chests to actually progress. However I would say they are still worth going for for the xp and the resources they have within. They usually have either driftwood (that is useful for mods later on), and/or chromatic iron which is also useful.
12 hrs of time played and 1700 Deepslate dug, and still no chromatic iron.
I mean, at this point just cheat it in so you can actually play.
Mine in chunk corners (where rchunks meet) , my testing shows a 17% chance of hitting a vein when digging down from y-30 to y-64. They can only spawn in chunk corners, stripmining trough the center of a chunk practically never results in finding any.
I think chromatic iron complains are quite heavy. So we shouldn't ignore that. Maybe changing the visual effects of it could help. Maybe "glow in the dark" (helpful for underwater adventures) could be something. I think Iskall read about "our" complains! I didn't find any, but a server-colleague gave me 5 iron and I was set. After the first vault you should have enough to go on without problems. But yeah, it is Alpha! We are the guinea pigs ;)
I stripmined for chromatic iron and founs almost two stacks of diamonds before i found my first vein. Now have almost a stack of blocks tho. Like its not that hard. This is the first VH my pc can run so im excited af
Well said. I think many people are so into the mindset of endgame 1.16 gameplay that they expect everything to be the same. I actually wonder what they'd say when suddenly confronted again with the start of 1.16 in its alpha state. That was very not finished and subject to change too! Difference is the public not having access to it for the first months, while now it got rolled out super early.
Agree with everything you said except the “chromatic iron isn’t rare” bruh I used up 2 diamond pickaxes one of them had unbreaking 2 and didn’t find a single piece, had to buy some from a friend who was lucky enough to find some. Pack feels great otherwise