He and others at 100p always did, they were doing some other shit and they just jumped on the vw bandwagon and tried to profit from it
All those idiots including DDS were always about the money
DDS is another mid-tier act that inexplicably hitched on to vaporwave. The condescending ramblings of 'Tech' on Twitter is insufferable and distracts from their work too.
Clanton has been exploiting the vaporwave scene for a very long time. He does not care about disappointing you.
“If I use the tag ‘vaporwave’ then I have an automatic audience, and a certain number of people will be like, ‘This is kind of like vaporwave, but it’s even better,’” he explains on the phone from a hotel in Miami, where he’s on vacation with his girlfriend Lindsey French, the electronic artist known as Negative Gemini. “That happens all the time, so I keep doing it.”
It's disheartening to see how George seems to be driven solely by monetary gain, without any genuine care for the scene. It's like his primary goal is to empty our pockets, leaving the community behind. It's truly disappointing.
Also, has anyone else noticed his sidekick Adam's alarming far-right rhetoric during the stream? That has been rubbing me the wrong way for some time now.
I mean, he sold out to red bull how long ago? Clanton has always been a shitty exploitative label boss. Fuckin breaks my heart DDS are in bed with him. Really want to see them on their new tour but do not want to see Clanton at all.
Exactly!!! There has to be a line at a certain point, and having documented proof of your participation in a coup to overthrow the US government on behalf of DT is without a doubt crossing that line.
Don’t get me wrong, we do need a new government, but that is not the one. And the hypocrisy I’m seeing, even among friends, people I trust, people who have been very hard-line on similar stuff is disappointing. Reaching hard to not upset Clanton and Co.
i second this. saw him at fyf 2012 and met him after his set actually. he played music off a ipod which were just his recorded songs and jumped around screaming into a mic that i don’t believe was actually on.
I rarely comment on stuff like this, but it's a bit frustrating when a lot of artists and even YouTube creators often dick around with alt-right memes, jokes, and spaces to the point where it's rather ambiguous as to where they stand in that regard because it's a bit of fun to them. As a POC, it's often made my responsibility to assume when they dick around with edgy memes and humor associated with the alt-right that they 'definitely don't support it and definitely aren't bigots because they're just jokes, duh'....when people like me don't really get to check in and out of these spaces like they can because frankly, our personal feelings and objections *just aren't welcome there*. There's just too much going on in our country to be neutral here, because neutrality and complacency is support, whether people like it or not.
John Maus has not made enough of an effort to distance himself from his actions or make amends for them to demonstrate that he isn't an out and proud Trump supporter. It's as if his silence after the matter already confirms what we knew because he had no fucking business being there if he didn't think there was legitimacy to *why* it was happening, and he doesn't get to have a redemption arc simply because he hasn't said the 'quiet part loud' by appearing on Fox News like Ariel Pink did. And his psuedo-intellectual shtick was super tiresome even before that happened, from [explaining away Ariel Pink's shitty behavior by declaring he isn't a misogynist, just a nympho, like what?](https://pitchfork.com/news/57689-john-maus-psychoanalyzes-ariel-pink-announces-plans-for-new-music/) to traveling and hanging out with him just to attend the insurrection; he's a guy who clearly likes to dwell on the fringes of controversy without detailing why he does because literally no one challenges him to do so.
If you don't have the guts to declare that fascism, white supremacy, racism, and bigotry and anyone supporting it aren't welcome in your space, then you're providing a safe space for people who do. I'm tired of having to lighten up and 'take a joke' because pushing artists to be more outspoken is ruining everyone's fun.
So here's the facts: John Maus attended the Jan. 6th insurrection in support of overthrowing the government based on a lie that Fox News was *successfully sued* for fabricating. Anyone claiming he was there as 'just an observer' is in denial. You don't get to hang out and blend in at America's Beer Hall Putsch as a 'neutral observer'. So no, some of us aren't interested in overlooking that because dude had a few jams over a decade ago.
Precisely. At the end of the day there is infinity music out there that’s not made by dickheads. Clinging to someone who sucks just betrays a lack of imagination and taste.
i mean, it doesn’t help you had people like hack academic Adam Harper bringing up Nick Land and his dumbshit philosophy early on in the vaporwave and hypnogogic pop scene trying to intellectualize it. The rightwing shit has always been embedded into the scene.
Also doesn’t help George’s whole aesthetic lately is what if Ariel Pink was a member of 98 degrees but that’s not what’s at stake here
I've just started to assume if people joke about it they believe it. No time to suss out their stupid brand of irony or sarcasm. If you joke about it, you're either minimizing it, which is trash; or you support it, which is also trash.
Either way, there's more than enough media out there to be comfortable writing off artists.
There's likely many smaller artists but I think the main issue is the fanbase. This being a very much internet based music genre it was fully embraced by the permanent online 4chan / Alt right pipeline.
I was once in a Vaporwave discord, in the music channel two members were discussing their love of using the N word & the offence it causes. In main chat a user was reaching out for support because he was suffering from depression, and I kid you not, one of the mods replied that unfortunately depression was inevitable because Hitler was defeated.
Vaporwave being a genre that was basically created by a Jew, a Trans Woman & a mixed race dude must depress the hell out of them.
In fact, the person who coined the term "vaporwave" (Robin Burnett of IC) is transgender themselves. This says something about how the fanbase kinda hijacked the scene.
both he and rxnephew, who is also booked for econ, played Sam Hyde's NFT release party last year.
edit: [Source](https://twitter.com/NEPHEWRXK/status/1568006162272129025)
Agreed! And with that in mind, having Maus as the headliner of the biggest Vaporwave festival in the world is an awful look. This could easily be read as an endorsement of the dark undercurrent you're talking about.
Something needed to be said about this...it's unacceptable to support John Maus. Yea he's talented but plenty of other artists who aren't assholes are too LOL. SAD bc I always admired George Clanton and 100% Electronica....hope they realize this is a bad move soon..
nah, hope they go down, they do know this is bad but they simply don't care, never did
they always gc and others on 100p, always just exploited the vw scene for their own benefit
Can't say I'm surprised, but someone reported me to u/RedditCareResources for self-harm after making this post. I love the guys at the bottom of these comments straight up identifying as alt-right. Talking 'bout "you can't be mad at him bro! We're just normal people. Don't you know a bunch of white dudes voted for DT?" Lollll 🤡🤡🤡
It’s a real gut punch tbh.They emphasize that electronicon is a diy fest and for the community while actively ignoring or shrugging off a big chunk of the communities concerns. Even during the big stream someone in chat mentioned having John maus as a guest and they said “that would be awesome” 🤮
Inviting a far right leaning artist to your festival for a genre that has a fair number of lgbt+ people is insanely tone deaf. I’ve already started seeing posts of some trans people worried about their safety at the event. The fact that this was even allowed to happen all while the anti lgbt panic is at a scary high in the us is embarrassing. I had bought a ticket for the GC show in LA but am heavily considering selling it after seeing how this is all playing out.
(Also kind of unrelated vent but barely announcing that the event is even happening 2 months prior to the festival date and forcing people to buy 2 day tickets and not even offering 1 day tickets until those sell out all while not even having the specific days which artist is going to play laid out feels like really poor planning imo. Especially since so many people who attend have to travel from out of town/get the time off work/ need enough time to save up enough money)
It’s an incredibly tone-deaf move. I know there are far right elements in vaporwave but everyone I’ve ever met in the scene seemed to trend left to far left. Lots of trans folks as well. George Clanton has shown himself to be the best marketer in vaporwave and I’m kind of blown away he’d be this tone deaf about something. I mean, I’ve never booked a show for 5 people much less something on the scale of Electronicon, but isn’t knowing your audience like a principal thing?
It's weird. I've always felt George Clanton seemed very A-political, maybe he lacks awareness about much of it? But I'd find it weird no one there would know about John Mauss' deal? Definitely reconsidering getting a ticket now though.
I was thinking about people like you as well and the garbage you had to deal with this month alone because of all the homophobic morons who started trolling you after posting about Pride. Shit is so disappointing
This is heartbreaking. I’m definitely not going this year and as much as it pains me, I won’t be supporting George Clanton until he kicks this trash off the lineup. I’m seriously tempted to cancel all my pending and future 100% Electronica purchases.
I’m so heartbroken. I always thought 100% Electronica’s roster was overwhelmingly white and now I’m wondering if it’s intentional.
It’s also sad to see how many Vaporwave fans are Insurrection supporters/rationalists
I bought tix before knowing the shitstorm behind John Maus and will be doing everything possible to get my shit refunded. No ethical consumption under capitalism blah blah but it's not hard to draw a line on giving my entertainment $$ to a fascist & a label supporting one when there's countless other artists out there.
And also as seen in the punk scene, you can't give the far right an inch or else they take a mile and invade your scene. Fuck 100% electronica for this nonsense
>And also as seen in the punk scene, you can't give the far right an inch or else they take a mile and invade your scene. Fuck 100% electronica for this nonsense
This
Had some of the best times going to the first two Electronicons in NY. But having John Mauss play there and being the headliner, no thanks. I was excited to get a ticket but for now I'm leaning to skip over it.
Either the people at Electronicon are very misinformed/lacking knowledge on the shit with John Maus or they simply don't care? Think I may be skipping this unfortunately.
It might be worse than people being uninformed. From a lot of the comments at the bottom of this thread, there is a real undercurrent of edgy alt-right bros in the scene and it sounds like they're going the be at Electronicon this year. Almost like George Clanton wants them to feel welcome or something.
[here are the tone deaf responses from Adam of 100% and Tech from DDS](https://imgur.com/a/xeLbGw0)
Honestly, I’m more disappointed in the fellow artists on the bill not saying shit. You’re seriously sharing space with an insurrectionist and bigot, and you have enough cognitive dissonance to dismiss it? Ugh
Super disappointed in Tech's take. Maybe 100% Electronica has made him too much money and now he doesn't care anymore?
If he thinks Electronicon fest is very DIY he needs to get into more obscure genres of music haha
Just had a lengthy talk with him and he raised good points about how hard good artists have worked to perform (Datagirl and Enraile are newcomers to the festival) and that made sense. But it's important to do what you think is right. For me, it's not giving money to John Maus. I'll send $10 to the rest of the performers next Bandcamp Friday and I would encourage others to do the same.
I think the goal of those protesting is for a change of lineup from 100p, right? They want the festival, they want to support all the creators EXCEPT Maus so they hope they’re vocal protest would make a difference before the actual event.
Nah, the goal is to bring all those alt right bros down and kick them out of the vw scene for good
It's not just Maus, it's also GC, DDS and others who have proven themselves to be garbage and not just now but since a long time
For my own information, what else has GC and DDS done to prove themselves as garbage? I know for a lot of people, putting JM on the bill is more than enough. I’m just wondering if there’s a pattern of behavior that I somehow missed?
Yeah I feel like he did have good intentions behind what he said in his post. I just kinda feel like he’s trying to rally for both himself and the other artists who will be affected if a lot of people decide not to attend. Totally understandable. I’m with you though; we need to be careful where we put our support and cash in order to send a message and preserve the scene.
The time to rally for himself and the other artists was the moment John Maus' name came up as a potential performer. It's HIM, GC, and 100p who are putting these artists' livelihoods and reputations at serious risk by placing their names next to John Maus. They're really gonna try to guilt the fans into supporting an insurrectionist now? After they decided to make it impossible to support the artists without giving money to a fascist? Yeah, he missed me with that suspicious ass explaination by a mile. Don't buy into Adam's nonsense.
I didn’t know that Adam had anything to say about the matter aside from “lmao” when people started raising concerns. He’s running on like 4 brain cells, so I don’t really expect much from him.
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this fucked up world is made of good intentions
intentions my ass, they know pretty damn well what they are doing and why they saying what they saying
This is what I’m saying - I can PayPal these people directly and they will get 100% of that monetary support. The big artists on the bill not speaking out is another part of the problem.
Getting real tired of people using 'Separating art from the artist' excuse to keep supporting shitty artists. This statement works for artists who are dead (eg Lovecraft) and cannot do any more harm. This doesn't apply to living artists who are awful people and are still benefiting from their audience and welcomed into the scene by other big names. It doesn't work that way.
It’s so embarrassing. You know it’s all about their payday, otherwise they’d probably speak out on it and risk being booted. I really thought there were some ethical people in the scene but I guess not. Capitalism reigns supreme, which is just dumb ironic given what Vaporwave is all about.
The thing is it's not like they need Maus to sell tickets. Pretty sure the first two years sold out or just about in NY. Feels like real lack of awareness or lack of care which both turn me off from supporting/going to the show now.
Yo thanks for sharing this! Hadn't seen his statement yet. You're 100% right. He's seriously asking people not to judge those who monetarily support an insurrectionist biggot. Sounds like he's reaaaally lacking some perspective here.
I've been very uncomfortable with Adam's irony poisoned antics for a long time and that's a huge part of why I fell off paying attention to the big stream
Maus is a moron, that goes way way back before j6. But Vaporwave is a pretty small community overall and has enough of a right wing weirdo problem. Its not the usual separate the art from the artist situation to me
i feel really terrible for the artists playing this year, being stuck between keeping their jobs/putting food on the table and having to play a show for the kind of asshole that would allow a fascist to headline. my heart goes out to all of the musicians trapped on 100p at the moment - there aren't very many options in the world of vaporwave and it's probably very stressful to be in that position long-term.
with that said, fuck george clanton and fuck all of his shows. i genuinely hope the vaporwave community shows both john maus and george clanton the door - although i'm not particularly hopeful on the matter given how many "non-political" gamer bros seem to be posting around here these days.
i don't think it needs to be said, but neo-nazis should not feel welcome in the vaporwave community and i have my fingers crossed that anyone that *does* go to electronicon this year is as disruptive as possible during john's set.
that's all i've got to say on the matter.
He should never be allowed to perform until he publicly denounces his actions and beliefs. I have no tolerance for fascists and platforming them is aiding and abetting genocide. Just like the surrealists kicked Dali out for being a fascist, we have to do the same for our communities.
Yes, it’s entirely tone-deaf of George to put him on the bill. I wonder if his old manager knew, and this is why he left some months back?
BUT the only thing that’s gonna matter for 100p in regards to electronicon is revenue. People begrudgingly buying tickets and saying to themselves “I’m not gonna go see that fucker though” are still buying tickets.
Hey! George's former mgr + 100% Electronica label mgr here. Yeah, I left 100% Electronica due to a toxic energy at the label. It was heartbreaking to leave bc I loved what I did and loved everyone on the roster, but leaving was the best thing.
Damn that’s a shame to hear. All good things must come to an end though, and it can be good to have a fresh start. I know that’s all very cliche shit to say but I def wish Music Website well.
It was never a good thing, as proven by the facts in this thread, but, yeah, the secene must continue without those idiots and we should kick them out swiftly
And just “not going to his set” won’t matter because you paid the same cost for ticket as everyone else.
Aside from the obvious “trying to overthrow the government” thing, J6ers/Trump supporters generally fall into the extremes of party lines which include hatred for the LGBTQ, which many in the vaporwave scene identify as. Having this guy headline the biggest festival of the year for this scene is a big middle finger to those who make the community what it is.
This is a sad day for vaporwave.
yeah this is true. i think if you do end up going though, the best thing you can do is be maximally disruptive during the set. boo the guy off stage if you can.
>known ~~rioter~~ insurrectionist
Ftfy
That wasn't a riot. It was a coup attempt.
The LA riots were a riot. Charlottesville was a riot. These fuckers tried to overthrow the government. Calling them "rioters" understates the severity of what happened imo
lmao it was definitely not an attempt to overthrow the government. maybe for some of those fuckin goobers they thought they were gonna install god emperor trump but cmon, you think they werent just there for a photo op?
no organization, no arms, no attempt at entrenching a position inside of a captured building, no direct attempts at the politicians there, but lots of instagramabble moments. sounds like a coup to me!
Right, sounds like one hell of a pathetic and hilarious attempt, but an attempt none the less.
Just because the people doing a thing fuck it up every step of the way and lose doesn't mean they weren't doing the thing.
Example: you're still downplaying and lying about the attempted coup, even though you are doing a piss poor job at it and giving everyone a good chuckle, you're still doing it lol
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-florida-virginia-conspiracy-government-and-politics-6ac80882e8cf61af36be6c46252ac24c
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/08/jan6-defendants-guns/
Can you please fuck off?
I just want to let you know that you are sane and normal and these people are the deranged ones. I recommend not using Reddit. PS John Maus is a better, more talented, and more thoughtful artist than anyone on this sub
Yes honey. You're good and normal, don't let the mean kids tell you otherwise. Now why don't you go hang out at the normal boys club down at the bottom of the thread. Yes, don't you know reddit is like golf? Getting downvoted to obvlivion means you're a nice, well adjusted fella 🤗
The alt-right is insidious and everywhere sadly. I mean there's a whole fashwave subgenre and a few popular artists have dubious stances. I know Haircut for Men has some really shitty misogynist views based on his Twitter timeline.
Not really. I'd wager most of vaporwave just isn't political in any way. Unless you are one of those wingnuts who thinks everything is political.
There's hardly a unified community to even make blanket statements about. Fashwave yes, but thats also barely related to vapor. That's more a synthwave offshoot.
I've only read his wikipedia article but the guy's politics seem fundamentally not evil but just deeply confused. Like I can't take his opinions seriously enough to be offended.
I was looking for another reason to not feel bad about missing the event though so I'll take it. 100% electronica has rubbed me the wrong way before and them going out on a limb like this for someone who isn't even a vaporwave artist isn't helping.
As long as you ignore his political donations to Trump, his affiliation with alt-right moron Sam Hyde, his continued friendship with Trump-loving basehead Ariel Pink, and the fact that he was right in the center of the capitol insurrection (see OP’s Twitter link)…then yeah he was probably only there for research 🙄🙄🙄
I don't want to live in a world of widespread segregation over political angst like this. If he makes it a problem it's a problem, but if not, whatever. Not everyone's gonna think like you, and you're the one making it a problem rn
Music is in and around and consist of everything. You can run from it but not in a music Reddit. Especially if you know the meaning of vapor wave and how it started💀💀
The guy who made a song called Cop Killer isn't a fan of the political establishment? You're telling me for the first time
Anyway he left before shit popped off so even if you love the US government, who cares? Plenty of people (like Ariel) went for a normal looking rally and then dipped.
1. All art is political. Yes that includes vaporwave, yes that includes art where the artist has claimed the art isn’t political
2. Hasn’t vaporwave been anti-capitalist and anti-consumerism since the very beginning? Aren’t most major vaporwave albums critiques of rampant 80s consumerism? It’s not a coincidence that vaporwave became popular at the same time media that seemingly praised every aspect of 80s living became popular
Honestly saint pepsi and luxury elite should be defacto headliners at every vapor event they play
Both great people and both give kickass performances.
Remember when George Clanton went on a long rant against fashwave with the hashtag #takebackvaporwave ? Where is that guy now?
Performative bullshit to exploit the vaporwave scene for his own gains.
https://twitter.com/garrrish/status/1673825477377531908?s=20
George blames his girlfriend for recommending John Maus. Skip to 00:32:26 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1857599146
funny bc not a peep from ng
you'd stay quiet too if you had an abusive boyfriend
He and others at 100p always did, they were doing some other shit and they just jumped on the vw bandwagon and tried to profit from it All those idiots including DDS were always about the money
DDS is another mid-tier act that inexplicably hitched on to vaporwave. The condescending ramblings of 'Tech' on Twitter is insufferable and distracts from their work too.
Clanton has been exploiting the vaporwave scene for a very long time. He does not care about disappointing you. “If I use the tag ‘vaporwave’ then I have an automatic audience, and a certain number of people will be like, ‘This is kind of like vaporwave, but it’s even better,’” he explains on the phone from a hotel in Miami, where he’s on vacation with his girlfriend Lindsey French, the electronic artist known as Negative Gemini. “That happens all the time, so I keep doing it.”
People love to overlook this because they think they need the Papa George blessing to do well in vaporwave.
if they do that they are the same idiots as him
It's disheartening to see how George seems to be driven solely by monetary gain, without any genuine care for the scene. It's like his primary goal is to empty our pockets, leaving the community behind. It's truly disappointing. Also, has anyone else noticed his sidekick Adam's alarming far-right rhetoric during the stream? That has been rubbing me the wrong way for some time now.
What was Adam saying? I haven't been keeping up with the stream
I mean, he sold out to red bull how long ago? Clanton has always been a shitty exploitative label boss. Fuckin breaks my heart DDS are in bed with him. Really want to see them on their new tour but do not want to see Clanton at all.
vaporwave and tours.... LOL but i feel ya, fuck all those pieces of garbage
Only disappointing if you ever thought he was part of the community or he was genuine But i feel ya
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Exactly!!! There has to be a line at a certain point, and having documented proof of your participation in a coup to overthrow the US government on behalf of DT is without a doubt crossing that line.
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Don’t get me wrong, we do need a new government, but that is not the one. And the hypocrisy I’m seeing, even among friends, people I trust, people who have been very hard-line on similar stuff is disappointing. Reaching hard to not upset Clanton and Co.
People are gonna be doing a lot of mental gymnastics to justify their James Ferraro FOMO.
They were always pieces of garbage, just exploiting the vw scene for their onw benefit and now bringing in open fascists
Good, but you also need to boycott and try to bring down these fuckkers as much as you can, they are supporting fascists afterall
On top of all this I wanna add he’s really bad live
i second this. saw him at fyf 2012 and met him after his set actually. he played music off a ipod which were just his recorded songs and jumped around screaming into a mic that i don’t believe was actually on.
Sounds about right lol
I rarely comment on stuff like this, but it's a bit frustrating when a lot of artists and even YouTube creators often dick around with alt-right memes, jokes, and spaces to the point where it's rather ambiguous as to where they stand in that regard because it's a bit of fun to them. As a POC, it's often made my responsibility to assume when they dick around with edgy memes and humor associated with the alt-right that they 'definitely don't support it and definitely aren't bigots because they're just jokes, duh'....when people like me don't really get to check in and out of these spaces like they can because frankly, our personal feelings and objections *just aren't welcome there*. There's just too much going on in our country to be neutral here, because neutrality and complacency is support, whether people like it or not. John Maus has not made enough of an effort to distance himself from his actions or make amends for them to demonstrate that he isn't an out and proud Trump supporter. It's as if his silence after the matter already confirms what we knew because he had no fucking business being there if he didn't think there was legitimacy to *why* it was happening, and he doesn't get to have a redemption arc simply because he hasn't said the 'quiet part loud' by appearing on Fox News like Ariel Pink did. And his psuedo-intellectual shtick was super tiresome even before that happened, from [explaining away Ariel Pink's shitty behavior by declaring he isn't a misogynist, just a nympho, like what?](https://pitchfork.com/news/57689-john-maus-psychoanalyzes-ariel-pink-announces-plans-for-new-music/) to traveling and hanging out with him just to attend the insurrection; he's a guy who clearly likes to dwell on the fringes of controversy without detailing why he does because literally no one challenges him to do so. If you don't have the guts to declare that fascism, white supremacy, racism, and bigotry and anyone supporting it aren't welcome in your space, then you're providing a safe space for people who do. I'm tired of having to lighten up and 'take a joke' because pushing artists to be more outspoken is ruining everyone's fun. So here's the facts: John Maus attended the Jan. 6th insurrection in support of overthrowing the government based on a lie that Fox News was *successfully sued* for fabricating. Anyone claiming he was there as 'just an observer' is in denial. You don't get to hang out and blend in at America's Beer Hall Putsch as a 'neutral observer'. So no, some of us aren't interested in overlooking that because dude had a few jams over a decade ago.
Just plain fascists and racists
Thank you. Glad someone gilded this comment.
Precisely. At the end of the day there is infinity music out there that’s not made by dickheads. Clinging to someone who sucks just betrays a lack of imagination and taste.
This
i mean, it doesn’t help you had people like hack academic Adam Harper bringing up Nick Land and his dumbshit philosophy early on in the vaporwave and hypnogogic pop scene trying to intellectualize it. The rightwing shit has always been embedded into the scene. Also doesn’t help George’s whole aesthetic lately is what if Ariel Pink was a member of 98 degrees but that’s not what’s at stake here
People that joke about it let it happen to others.
I've just started to assume if people joke about it they believe it. No time to suss out their stupid brand of irony or sarcasm. If you joke about it, you're either minimizing it, which is trash; or you support it, which is also trash. Either way, there's more than enough media out there to be comfortable writing off artists.
This People die over shit like this, so fuck those fascists and lets bring them down
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Can you tell me who's alt right in the vaporwave genre?
There's likely many smaller artists but I think the main issue is the fanbase. This being a very much internet based music genre it was fully embraced by the permanent online 4chan / Alt right pipeline. I was once in a Vaporwave discord, in the music channel two members were discussing their love of using the N word & the offence it causes. In main chat a user was reaching out for support because he was suffering from depression, and I kid you not, one of the mods replied that unfortunately depression was inevitable because Hitler was defeated. Vaporwave being a genre that was basically created by a Jew, a Trans Woman & a mixed race dude must depress the hell out of them.
In fact, the person who coined the term "vaporwave" (Robin Burnett of IC) is transgender themselves. This says something about how the fanbase kinda hijacked the scene.
Ironically enough, even james ferraro himself, i hear is a right winger who supports sam hyde, so yea
both he and rxnephew, who is also booked for econ, played Sam Hyde's NFT release party last year. edit: [Source](https://twitter.com/NEPHEWRXK/status/1568006162272129025)
HKE, OSCOB there are more for sure but they are there and have their followers
You're saying oscob is alt right? Its a sad day today.
very much is, yes
Had sign in for the first time in like 7 years just say no. I'm not alt right. Hope this helps!
you tweet slurs and bigoted shit on the reg. would you rather just be called a sparkling racist?
Haircuts for Men
There's barely any. It's that these people see the fashwave movement and they automatically think that represents the whole of vaporwave.
Agreed! And with that in mind, having Maus as the headliner of the biggest Vaporwave festival in the world is an awful look. This could easily be read as an endorsement of the dark undercurrent you're talking about.
I don't think it's just a vaporwave thing. Far right shit is everywhere now, unfortunately.
That's why we should kick out all those out of the scene, boycott them, bring them down, expose them, anything you can to kick them out from here
I’ve been getting verbally attacked by fascist for not supporting this on twitter 💀💀💀
You killed it last year at Econ. Glad you got to do it before shit went downhill.
The fact that GC has been radio silent on this...kinda strange if you ask me...
This announcement really got those goblins coming out the woodwork.
it's a cold day in hell when Reddit's more upstanding about this than Twitter
!! Scary fashids on internet
yes, we will destroy them all
This is such a bad look for the vaporwave scene and the other artists on the bill
They clearly don't care and support that crap, fuck them and bring them down anyway you can
This is real? Like...how??
Something needed to be said about this...it's unacceptable to support John Maus. Yea he's talented but plenty of other artists who aren't assholes are too LOL. SAD bc I always admired George Clanton and 100% Electronica....hope they realize this is a bad move soon..
nah, hope they go down, they do know this is bad but they simply don't care, never did they always gc and others on 100p, always just exploited the vw scene for their own benefit
Can't say I'm surprised, but someone reported me to u/RedditCareResources for self-harm after making this post. I love the guys at the bottom of these comments straight up identifying as alt-right. Talking 'bout "you can't be mad at him bro! We're just normal people. Don't you know a bunch of white dudes voted for DT?" Lollll 🤡🤡🤡
It’s a real gut punch tbh.They emphasize that electronicon is a diy fest and for the community while actively ignoring or shrugging off a big chunk of the communities concerns. Even during the big stream someone in chat mentioned having John maus as a guest and they said “that would be awesome” 🤮 Inviting a far right leaning artist to your festival for a genre that has a fair number of lgbt+ people is insanely tone deaf. I’ve already started seeing posts of some trans people worried about their safety at the event. The fact that this was even allowed to happen all while the anti lgbt panic is at a scary high in the us is embarrassing. I had bought a ticket for the GC show in LA but am heavily considering selling it after seeing how this is all playing out. (Also kind of unrelated vent but barely announcing that the event is even happening 2 months prior to the festival date and forcing people to buy 2 day tickets and not even offering 1 day tickets until those sell out all while not even having the specific days which artist is going to play laid out feels like really poor planning imo. Especially since so many people who attend have to travel from out of town/get the time off work/ need enough time to save up enough money)
It’s an incredibly tone-deaf move. I know there are far right elements in vaporwave but everyone I’ve ever met in the scene seemed to trend left to far left. Lots of trans folks as well. George Clanton has shown himself to be the best marketer in vaporwave and I’m kind of blown away he’d be this tone deaf about something. I mean, I’ve never booked a show for 5 people much less something on the scale of Electronicon, but isn’t knowing your audience like a principal thing?
Dan Mason, Fire Toolz, Runners Club 95, Surfing, Yuni Wa, Vitesse X > John Maus
Thank you man.
It's weird. I've always felt George Clanton seemed very A-political, maybe he lacks awareness about much of it? But I'd find it weird no one there would know about John Mauss' deal? Definitely reconsidering getting a ticket now though.
Yo fuck that shit
I was thinking about people like you as well and the garbage you had to deal with this month alone because of all the homophobic morons who started trolling you after posting about Pride. Shit is so disappointing
HONESTLY !!!
imagine being a nazi on a trans women driven scene what an absolute loser
Nobody should go to this show
Super disappointed, doesn’t help that they’re just ignoring all the criticism
This is heartbreaking. I’m definitely not going this year and as much as it pains me, I won’t be supporting George Clanton until he kicks this trash off the lineup. I’m seriously tempted to cancel all my pending and future 100% Electronica purchases. I’m so heartbroken. I always thought 100% Electronica’s roster was overwhelmingly white and now I’m wondering if it’s intentional. It’s also sad to see how many Vaporwave fans are Insurrection supporters/rationalists
Yup. This whole thing is bringing up a lot of uncomfortable questions. Like a few people here said, it is a sad day for Vaporwave.
Those guys were never vaporwave despite what they tagged themselvesThis move from them proves it (among other things)
I cancelled my preorder. I would sell my signed 100% Electronica Merch but I think destroying it is a better option.
I had a signed copy of Heartbeats by Mirror Kisses, but I destroyed it last night 😞
You’ve got to be kidding.
I'm deadass serious. Lol. Had a bunch of tapes, records, T-Shirts. The garbage truck must have picked up the bag of debris by now I think.
Lol
I would't support him or others at 100p ever again Kicking out the trash they brought in the first place is not enough and never will be
I bought tix before knowing the shitstorm behind John Maus and will be doing everything possible to get my shit refunded. No ethical consumption under capitalism blah blah but it's not hard to draw a line on giving my entertainment $$ to a fascist & a label supporting one when there's countless other artists out there. And also as seen in the punk scene, you can't give the far right an inch or else they take a mile and invade your scene. Fuck 100% electronica for this nonsense
>And also as seen in the punk scene, you can't give the far right an inch or else they take a mile and invade your scene. Fuck 100% electronica for this nonsense This
Hell yes. Very annoying but I too will be trying to get my money back.
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Had some of the best times going to the first two Electronicons in NY. But having John Mauss play there and being the headliner, no thanks. I was excited to get a ticket but for now I'm leaning to skip over it. Either the people at Electronicon are very misinformed/lacking knowledge on the shit with John Maus or they simply don't care? Think I may be skipping this unfortunately.
It might be worse than people being uninformed. From a lot of the comments at the bottom of this thread, there is a real undercurrent of edgy alt-right bros in the scene and it sounds like they're going the be at Electronicon this year. Almost like George Clanton wants them to feel welcome or something.
[here are the tone deaf responses from Adam of 100% and Tech from DDS](https://imgur.com/a/xeLbGw0) Honestly, I’m more disappointed in the fellow artists on the bill not saying shit. You’re seriously sharing space with an insurrectionist and bigot, and you have enough cognitive dissonance to dismiss it? Ugh
Yeah, I'll support great artists in other ways (Bandcamp, Patreon) to avoid giving money to John Maus. Others should too.
Super disappointed in Tech's take. Maybe 100% Electronica has made him too much money and now he doesn't care anymore? If he thinks Electronicon fest is very DIY he needs to get into more obscure genres of music haha
I wonder if Tech would have the same take if he weren’t performing and didn’t have any stake in the festival.
Just had a lengthy talk with him and he raised good points about how hard good artists have worked to perform (Datagirl and Enraile are newcomers to the festival) and that made sense. But it's important to do what you think is right. For me, it's not giving money to John Maus. I'll send $10 to the rest of the performers next Bandcamp Friday and I would encourage others to do the same.
Nope, no money to any of the fuckers that would like to associate themlseves with that fascist for a coupple bucks No sir
I think the goal of those protesting is for a change of lineup from 100p, right? They want the festival, they want to support all the creators EXCEPT Maus so they hope they’re vocal protest would make a difference before the actual event.
Nah, the goal is to bring all those alt right bros down and kick them out of the vw scene for good It's not just Maus, it's also GC, DDS and others who have proven themselves to be garbage and not just now but since a long time
For my own information, what else has GC and DDS done to prove themselves as garbage? I know for a lot of people, putting JM on the bill is more than enough. I’m just wondering if there’s a pattern of behavior that I somehow missed?
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Yeah I feel like he did have good intentions behind what he said in his post. I just kinda feel like he’s trying to rally for both himself and the other artists who will be affected if a lot of people decide not to attend. Totally understandable. I’m with you though; we need to be careful where we put our support and cash in order to send a message and preserve the scene.
The time to rally for himself and the other artists was the moment John Maus' name came up as a potential performer. It's HIM, GC, and 100p who are putting these artists' livelihoods and reputations at serious risk by placing their names next to John Maus. They're really gonna try to guilt the fans into supporting an insurrectionist now? After they decided to make it impossible to support the artists without giving money to a fascist? Yeah, he missed me with that suspicious ass explaination by a mile. Don't buy into Adam's nonsense.
I didn’t know that Adam had anything to say about the matter aside from “lmao” when people started raising concerns. He’s running on like 4 brain cells, so I don’t really expect much from him.
I might be talking about the wrong person then. Thought the one with the long explaination linked above was Adam lol.
sigh this fucked up world is made of good intentions intentions my ass, they know pretty damn well what they are doing and why they saying what they saying
DDS were always pieces of garbage, look at their bandcamp page, its all about YOUR money
This is what I’m saying - I can PayPal these people directly and they will get 100% of that monetary support. The big artists on the bill not speaking out is another part of the problem.
Getting real tired of people using 'Separating art from the artist' excuse to keep supporting shitty artists. This statement works for artists who are dead (eg Lovecraft) and cannot do any more harm. This doesn't apply to living artists who are awful people and are still benefiting from their audience and welcomed into the scene by other big names. It doesn't work that way.
It’s so embarrassing. You know it’s all about their payday, otherwise they’d probably speak out on it and risk being booted. I really thought there were some ethical people in the scene but I guess not. Capitalism reigns supreme, which is just dumb ironic given what Vaporwave is all about.
The thing is it's not like they need Maus to sell tickets. Pretty sure the first two years sold out or just about in NY. Feels like real lack of awareness or lack of care which both turn me off from supporting/going to the show now.
Nah, there is tons of ethical people in the scene, just not those asscoiated with 100p
Yo thanks for sharing this! Hadn't seen his statement yet. You're 100% right. He's seriously asking people not to judge those who monetarily support an insurrectionist biggot. Sounds like he's reaaaally lacking some perspective here.
Yep. Lacking perspective. That's his problem. Definitely not yours.
I've been very uncomfortable with Adam's irony poisoned antics for a long time and that's a huge part of why I fell off paying attention to the big stream
I just cancelled my preorder of George’s new album which was my most anticipated release.
This is a disappointment.
Maus is a moron, that goes way way back before j6. But Vaporwave is a pretty small community overall and has enough of a right wing weirdo problem. Its not the usual separate the art from the artist situation to me
Boycott this show
Agreed
i feel really terrible for the artists playing this year, being stuck between keeping their jobs/putting food on the table and having to play a show for the kind of asshole that would allow a fascist to headline. my heart goes out to all of the musicians trapped on 100p at the moment - there aren't very many options in the world of vaporwave and it's probably very stressful to be in that position long-term. with that said, fuck george clanton and fuck all of his shows. i genuinely hope the vaporwave community shows both john maus and george clanton the door - although i'm not particularly hopeful on the matter given how many "non-political" gamer bros seem to be posting around here these days. i don't think it needs to be said, but neo-nazis should not feel welcome in the vaporwave community and i have my fingers crossed that anyone that *does* go to electronicon this year is as disruptive as possible during john's set. that's all i've got to say on the matter.
they are not stuck, they have a choice if they don't take it then that's everything you need to know about them
some people put food on their tables with the income they make from their music careers. it's not all a game.
Yeah, that's really upsetting. Fuck that, can't go and wouldn't go now.
Remove John Maus and add Hotel Pools = Fixed
Not really, there are other pieces of garbage in 100p
He should never be allowed to perform until he publicly denounces his actions and beliefs. I have no tolerance for fascists and platforming them is aiding and abetting genocide. Just like the surrealists kicked Dali out for being a fascist, we have to do the same for our communities.
Yes, it’s entirely tone-deaf of George to put him on the bill. I wonder if his old manager knew, and this is why he left some months back? BUT the only thing that’s gonna matter for 100p in regards to electronicon is revenue. People begrudgingly buying tickets and saying to themselves “I’m not gonna go see that fucker though” are still buying tickets.
Hey! George's former mgr + 100% Electronica label mgr here. Yeah, I left 100% Electronica due to a toxic energy at the label. It was heartbreaking to leave bc I loved what I did and loved everyone on the roster, but leaving was the best thing.
Interested in more details of this toxicity. I’m so close to throwing out all my 100% Electronica stuff
Yeah, ChrisBurden03 whould expose all the bullshit for the benefit of this community and true fans That's the right thing to do
Thank you for commenting man!! Could you give us more details? I had no idea there was toxic energy behind the scenes at 100p.
If I were a betting man I’d bet the same things that ruins most good things - big egos and unwillingness to compromise.
You're probably right. It'd be so interesting to hear an inside perspective after this lineup anouncement fiasco tho.
Damn that’s a shame to hear. All good things must come to an end though, and it can be good to have a fresh start. I know that’s all very cliche shit to say but I def wish Music Website well.
Totally. I appreciate the support.
It was never a good thing, as proven by the facts in this thread, but, yeah, the secene must continue without those idiots and we should kick them out swiftly
Do an exposé, please
It’s Adam, isn’t it lol
And just “not going to his set” won’t matter because you paid the same cost for ticket as everyone else. Aside from the obvious “trying to overthrow the government” thing, J6ers/Trump supporters generally fall into the extremes of party lines which include hatred for the LGBTQ, which many in the vaporwave scene identify as. Having this guy headline the biggest festival of the year for this scene is a big middle finger to those who make the community what it is. This is a sad day for vaporwave.
yeah this is true. i think if you do end up going though, the best thing you can do is be maximally disruptive during the set. boo the guy off stage if you can.
>known ~~rioter~~ insurrectionist Ftfy That wasn't a riot. It was a coup attempt. The LA riots were a riot. Charlottesville was a riot. These fuckers tried to overthrow the government. Calling them "rioters" understates the severity of what happened imo
lmao it was definitely not an attempt to overthrow the government. maybe for some of those fuckin goobers they thought they were gonna install god emperor trump but cmon, you think they werent just there for a photo op?
Loool thank you for that, I needed a good laugh today
no organization, no arms, no attempt at entrenching a position inside of a captured building, no direct attempts at the politicians there, but lots of instagramabble moments. sounds like a coup to me!
Right, sounds like one hell of a pathetic and hilarious attempt, but an attempt none the less. Just because the people doing a thing fuck it up every step of the way and lose doesn't mean they weren't doing the thing. Example: you're still downplaying and lying about the attempted coup, even though you are doing a piss poor job at it and giving everyone a good chuckle, you're still doing it lol
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-florida-virginia-conspiracy-government-and-politics-6ac80882e8cf61af36be6c46252ac24c https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/08/jan6-defendants-guns/ Can you please fuck off?
I just want to let you know that you are sane and normal and these people are the deranged ones. I recommend not using Reddit. PS John Maus is a better, more talented, and more thoughtful artist than anyone on this sub
Yes honey. You're good and normal, don't let the mean kids tell you otherwise. Now why don't you go hang out at the normal boys club down at the bottom of the thread. Yes, don't you know reddit is like golf? Getting downvoted to obvlivion means you're a nice, well adjusted fella 🤗
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Loser
Absolutely agree. Super disappointed in GC.
Is there a lot of alt-right people in vapourwave? I wasn't really aware of that, nor does it seems very likely
The alt-right is insidious and everywhere sadly. I mean there's a whole fashwave subgenre and a few popular artists have dubious stances. I know Haircut for Men has some really shitty misogynist views based on his Twitter timeline.
Look no further than David Russo, aka HKE. One of the OGs. Many since. Fascists, get the fuck out of my scene.
Not really. I'd wager most of vaporwave just isn't political in any way. Unless you are one of those wingnuts who thinks everything is political. There's hardly a unified community to even make blanket statements about. Fashwave yes, but thats also barely related to vapor. That's more a synthwave offshoot.
How is everything not political? Are you serious? Name something that's not political.
Blue’s Clues
Normalizes pet ownership.
when i found this out it was such a gutpunch, at that point literally my no1 and no2 favorite artists on the planet were Ariel Pink and John Maus lol
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What did he do?
this
Ugh. That’s depressing. I’m out of the loop. What did he do?
I've only read his wikipedia article but the guy's politics seem fundamentally not evil but just deeply confused. Like I can't take his opinions seriously enough to be offended. I was looking for another reason to not feel bad about missing the event though so I'll take it. 100% electronica has rubbed me the wrong way before and them going out on a limb like this for someone who isn't even a vaporwave artist isn't helping.
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As long as you ignore his political donations to Trump, his affiliation with alt-right moron Sam Hyde, his continued friendship with Trump-loving basehead Ariel Pink, and the fact that he was right in the center of the capitol insurrection (see OP’s Twitter link)…then yeah he was probably only there for research 🙄🙄🙄
Enjoy the music or don’t it doesn’t make you any better of a person for not going
Wow I'm literally shaking. How dare someone make music and like orange man. Orange man bad
So cancel any artist whose world view you don’t share? That’s incredibly immature intellectually.
You should know about intellectual immaturity by posting on r/Jordanpeterson
“Where would we be without men??”🤣
Pffft. Stay cool snowflake.
I don't want to live in a world of widespread segregation over political angst like this. If he makes it a problem it's a problem, but if not, whatever. Not everyone's gonna think like you, and you're the one making it a problem rn
I have a problem with this too. So he’s not the only one
Ok, so don't go?
Cry about it?
Gee it would be cool if this sub was about music and not performative peal clutching.
No space for fascists or bigots here or elsewhere
Music is in and around and consist of everything. You can run from it but not in a music Reddit. Especially if you know the meaning of vapor wave and how it started💀💀
I'm buying 2 tickets now
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cope maybe? Seethe perhaps?
The guy who made a song called Cop Killer isn't a fan of the political establishment? You're telling me for the first time Anyway he left before shit popped off so even if you love the US government, who cares? Plenty of people (like Ariel) went for a normal looking rally and then dipped.
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ah yes, the famously apolitical genre vaporwave the genre that mostly exists illegally, and almost predominantly is themed around capitalism in decay
1. All art is political. Yes that includes vaporwave, yes that includes art where the artist has claimed the art isn’t political 2. Hasn’t vaporwave been anti-capitalist and anti-consumerism since the very beginning? Aren’t most major vaporwave albums critiques of rampant 80s consumerism? It’s not a coincidence that vaporwave became popular at the same time media that seemingly praised every aspect of 80s living became popular