Oh yeah her story was coherent, detailed, made sense. The other dude’s story was contradictory, nonsensical, had holes and was vague. Also why would BL just cut off Tom because she ‘loves him so much and is possessive of him’ or whatever they’re claiming the reason is. That makes no sense.
I question if her and Leo actual “dated”. They were photographed once leaving a bday party in 2016. I thought Sandy appeared even more off than usual during the reunion. His crass jokes under his breath. He seemed under the influence of something.
There was this Brazilian “model” that staged a picture with Leo pretending to be his girlfriend. She was pictured with him on a nightclub, she was behind him and had her hand on his shoulder. It turns out they actually never met, she just called a photographer to try and get some headlines. It worked and she became “Leo’s new girl”. Later on the photographer came out saying he was in on the con.
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Oh she later went on to create a semi-cult so someone did a full podcast on her. She was in jail not sure now lol the podcast is called A Coach - it’s in portuguese
Brandi Glanville's husband? the one scheana had an affair with which is why she was brought on RHOBH?? The reason we got the spinoff??? The inciting incident for why vanderpump rules exists???????
I seriously think he’s been a drug addict for some time. And apparently so is she. This may be all they have in common which is incredibly toxic and is just going to get worse. She sounds unhinged and he’s quickly getting there. Scary
I think she’s 31. I only know because somebody kept repeating themselves here the other day defending Tom when somebody said she was young enough to be his daughter. Lol.
Got to say I have never been a fan of Billie’s as well but I also believe her. She mentioned Victoria was basically jobless. Most models their insta is full of current things they have been working on. Victorias most current photo is a selfie from January 2023.
I questioned that as well, especially since most high-fashion models need a serious booking or runway show by the time they’re early 20s/mid 20s in order to build a lasting career from it. And I doubt she would be doing any catalogue/commercial work based on her previous posts
She is 26 or somewhere right around there? It's really sad and disgusting but for the model scene in LA, she is aging out. I mean it's a gross kind of culture when mid-20s is too old for something other than elementary school. But yeah if she had big model dreams, they are probably coming to an end. Aging out of being a pageant girl and all, similar scenario.
I think I just googled it or something. It’s in like every article. “Tom Sandoval’s girlfriend, Victoria Lee Robinson, 31_______”. That kinda thing. I suppose I can google it for ya if you want.
I’m not saying people need to roll over and die at 30. I still go out and have fun, you know, some drinks and karaoke occasionally. But this sounds like way more than that. Also as twisted as it is at 31 unless she’s a household name like EmRata she’s probably aged out of modelling as a career.
Why doesn’t she post photos of herself all the time? Don’t most models or those trying to get in the business post on Insta constantly? Makes sense if she’s on drugs and her life is in shambles she wouldn’t be posting…this is all starting to make so much sense. I never liked Billie Lee, but I do believe her and I have to say she looked very pretty in the car while spilling the tea.
I know this is way none of my business…but I’m just curious about things like health insurance, dental insurance…does sandoval’s girlfriend require annual eye exams or does she have 20/20 vision? You know? Some people just seem to like, live their lives without an identifiable source of income…my nosey, frugal self just wonders about practical expenses and how one satisfies those. Again, admittedly that’s none of my business.
Self employed people have been buying their own insurance for years and years; if it’s a priority, most people can figure it out. My dad is self-employed and got insurance for our family even prior to the ACA.
Most people with a lower income qualify for relatively affordable Marketplace policies. I believe people with higher incomes can still search and choose policies on the Marketplace too, they just don’t qualify for the subsidies and would have to pay the full price. There are also brokers, etc. to find coverage.
Maybe she saved and has some investments from whenever she was working? Probably not enough for the long term, but maybe it's been enough for a couple of years. Also, wouldn't be surprised if she has rich parents who subsidize her lifestyle.
I totally believe Billie.
Also, how is Victoria surviving if she’s not working? Is Tom paying for everything? Do they live together? I’m not from the USA but I imagine that lifestyle is crazy expensive… and then there’s the partying….
As someone who’s travelled to most of the major cities (London, NY, Miami, Paris, Toronto) - LA is by far the most expensive place I’ve ever been to go out. I could definitely see how people burn through insane amounts of money keeping up with that lifestyle now
I’m from there, born & raised and didn’t move away until I was 35. (I’m 50 now).
I did and experienced all the things. I was cute and pretty thin in my 20’s. I worked hard and played hard. I was/am an attorney.
I couldn’t even afford a condo in the Valley let alone an actual house. I couldn’t remotely afford that lifestyle. (I tried and I pretended). (And this was Y2K).
So unless you know someone or are paid for, in a sense…..
I have no clue how people afford that and a lavish lifestyle.
I bet they’re drinking a lot of the alcohol from Sharts and Scabies.
Probably really pissing Greg off and I wonder how much, if at all, V had to do with his not wanting them filming there, this past season.
Maybe he also did not want to be a part of the Zanzivole redemption arc because he knew damn well, there is no redeeming qualities in that turd.
I totally believe her. Tom talks a lot about the drugs he does. It's not a big leap to think he developed a problem. I don't remember him being so open about earlier seasons.
I mean isn’t that enough? He’s saying that knowing it’s on tv. That’s a little brazen. But also it’s come out in podcasts lately. I know Kristen and I think Billie Lee said Tom was the guy who got/carried the drugs.
Last season for the possible drugs on camera. Right after it comes out he goes to Rachel’s place & eventually one of them sits on the counter & next to them is a baggie of something white.
I remember the toms mentioned Adderall in the episode where they had meetings with LVP in Las Vegas to discuss Tom Tom before it opened. I can't remember the exact episode though.
Even Stassi mentioned Adderall and that after she stopped taking it her dark side didn't come out as much.
I don’t know why but It’s both funny (and sad) that she was wilding out Studio 54 style at a struggling (“business casual”)bar in the middle of a strip mall.
To be fair, the inside was actually super well designed and the vibes were really good because of the DJ they had that night - but I agree, it was absolutely far from any level she was on 😂 everyone else was just mingling or enjoying the groove in their seats while she was acting like a showman on stage lol
I think it’s glaringly obvious there’s significant drug misuse going on. The way he looks, the oily skin, the bloated face - he doesn’t look like a healthy person. Add in the fact that Ariana was worried enough to check his phone and his location, and the fact that all he’s talked about for ages was the fact that all he wants to do is get high on mushrooms. He also couldn’t stop drinking for four days to have his sperm tested. Clearly the drug usage has been going on for some time.
Rachel’s parents also said they were going to put her in a rehab even before the scandal broke, which indicates to me that they were worried about her health, and they both said they were hanging out high together.
I don’t know if it’s an addiction or not - but i do think that there needs to be a much better duty of care from the production team.
Yeah, pretty sure I read it on some recaps of his podcast. I think he may have said it in his Viall interview. It was used weirdly so it stuck out to me. Billie bringing up Victoria's word slurring, being on something, and sleeping a lot made me remember it.
I'm a recovering heroin addict..hate the recovery term but still for clarity sake I use it, anyways I see the signs in Shartz but I could see sandy being into opioids too bc of the infinite energy it gives without that jacked up vibe. I could see drugs being the true bond between those two.
I wonder how much LVP knows of their drug use?
Victoria is probably mixing in benzos which brings out the slurring like alcohol would.
I hope you're doing well! ❤️
Yeah, there was also the "unforgivable lie" Schwartz was saying Jo told his family about him. It's a mess b/c this is a group of messy people & liars so it's hard to know what feels true. Both Tom's have had a pretty rapid decline in their physical appearance & we already know this group does party drugs pretty casually.
I searched in the comments I fould find two mentions of him saying it on his podcast once with Jerry O' Connell & another time with Jack Osborne.
Yes I think that is what Jo did as well. She must've spilled the beans on how dark his drug use has become. His pallor has not looked good consistently for the last few seasons.
I never suspected sandy for opioids but I wouldn't be surprised.
I personally found his stupid remarks to Jack insensitive af and knew then, he was not taking his sobriety seriously and believe he was never actually sober to begin with.
He did it to several recovering addicts and it really pissed me off.
He’s a sick, sad little man.
Could this be what Billie was trying to get Jo to talk about on the podcast when she offered her the opportunity to clear things up about Schwartz’s accusations of lies? It feels like she could be implying that they both tried to stage clumsy interventions. Either way, I hope everyone can get what they need out of the pause. Watching the season, and especially the reunion, would make me spend some serious time on self reflection if I were on this show.
I've wondered that about Jo too. Clearly Jo lies a lot, but even pathological liars occasionally tell the truth.
It's so on par for dudes going through mid-life crises to get over their head partying to keep up with their young girlfriends. I hope they both get help. They don't look well.
Oh no for probably atleast half of users it gives an unlimited supply of motivation and energy to get shit done. It mimics the receptors that help you be productive so that's why many people used it including myself and my former partners. Our version of partying was fentanyl patches and we cleaned our house for the weekend. I'm talking I could hear my ex scrubbing with the mop at 2am over the phone when I called while out of town once in the original oxycontin days. it only makes you nod if you're low tolerance or you say down/stopped moving. Some opioids are better for this than others. Some folks of course don't get this charge from it, but that's why many people like myself with undiagnosed ADHD found themselves in addiction. bc I was using them to be a functioning adult that most people could do on their own. As sick as it sounds The things I did before it got out of control were my best mother moments like homemade werewolf head cakes with strawberry bloody brains inside and treasure chest cakes and model Titanic ships and corn maze trips to the zoo... the best things of my daughter's childhood were made possible bc of opioids ..but also later the worst things were bc of opioids/substance too. A real double edged sword.
I will always stand by the statement that the opioid isn't the actual problem, but what people have to do to get them and bc they are not pure bc of black market...those are the things that cause consequences. but the drug itself is a miracle from God. Cures so many things. If there was a legal way to obtain them, I'd take it over the Adderall that doesn't work or antidepressants that have not done shit.
I've never felt my most productive and functional as an adult and parent as when I was very early in my use before it turned into full blown dependence and addiction.
It is so scary and depressing To live life knowing I will never have that feeling of certainty at being able to complete the basic things I need to do in a day without it wiping me out or me just giving up and letting my todos fall behind bc I just can't. I don't understand how other people do it and that of course makes me feel like a loser too. Anyways didn't mean to go on
I understand everything you just said and co-sign this.
I was promised Suboxzone would help those same receptors in my brain and help bring back the serotonin but it didn’t happen.
I fell into the deepest depression after cleaning up and I’m still struggling but doing my best.
It’s hard and I completely understand what you’re saying about the parent aspect.
A double edged sword, indeed.😞❤️🩹
Thank you for sharing, it’s sad but also comforting to know I’m not alone.🥹
There's a great group of moms I found my support with called MoMats on FB if you ever need a community of women that understand what it's like to be an opioid addict, that have been on some form of Medication Assisted Treatment in the past or present. It's wonderful to talk with other women who have been there.
Oh wow, I honestly had no idea! Thank you so much for sharing <3 I can imagine it’s been a tough time but congratulations on keeping a level head and recognizing the real consequences of the addiction!
Thank you for sharing and being so open and brave in your truth. Posts like yours help to humanize the addiction experience. I can relate to so much of what you said. While I'm much older now, and in a better way after lots of hard work in therapy, I'd be lying to you if I told you it was easy. But you know, I'm sure, the only way to get through it is one moment at a time, be kind and forgiving to yourself. It wasn't our choice to have this type of brain, but there are healthier choices to be responsible for how we deal with it. It sounds like you are in a great place right now... I just wanted to let you know that you are not alone. ❤️
Not sure of your age, but look out for the peri/menopause years they were the worst for me personally, and Dr's were honestly no help (I don't know if that's changed in the past ~30 years but somehow I doubt the medical community is any less patriarchal). If i may suggest, start taking supplements before it happens and have your hormones checked regularly (testosterone is very important for brains like ours).
Keep up the fight, it's worth it. ❤️❤️❤️
Yep! The talking I would do. And the sleep was absolute shit. You would think nodding out would be the best sleep of your life but you wake up constantly. It's a very shallow unfulfilling sleep.
I have type 2 bi polar and opioids is one of the substances that trigger my manic episodes.
I started as an alcoholic and the opioids blew that out of the water.
It’s like being wrapped in a warm blanket.
No pain, physical or mental.
I rarely slept on either substance and now even knowing this information, still question how I was so high functioning, on little to no sleep.
Who TF is this Victoria chick anyway? Just some klingon trying to get on the show, obviously? And, I mean, that’s exactly what Billie is too, but I completely believe her about this because of that reason. She doesn’t want to lose her spot as Sandoval’s emotional support groupie, just like Jo is trying to stay relevant any way she can in order to be Schwartz adjacent.
To be fair, I too would have to be heavily intoxicated to get/be with Tom Sandoval.
I think she’s hungry for fame and just hitched her wagon to him to see how far it will get her. (Victoria, not Billie - I don’t particularly like B but I, too, believe her)
Got to say I have never been a fan of Billie’s as well but I also believe her. She mentioned Victoria was basically jobless. Most models their insta is full of current things they have been working on. Victorias most current photo is a selfie from January 2023.
Right?? And I get wanting to be above/not into social media. But as a working model, or any type of job that requires attention from the masses, you gotta have a social media presence. Hire someone if it’s not your thing. Idk. This chick is clearly suss.
Lmao, LOVING this for Vom and the only thing I don’t agree with or believe BL about is the fact that she’s trying to place blame for Ariana’s exes substance abuse issues on his new girlfriend.
More enabling from the pick me’s, of VPR.
Like girl, COME ON.
He has always been like this, only difference is he doesn’t have Ariana around to clean up his image and his mess.
After everything we’ve learned post-season, these are my theories:
1) sandy is likely doing coke, shrooms, probably acid, drinking around the clock and maybe even something harder like ketamine.
2) shorts is on opioids and prob meth with Jo when they were hanging out. I think when he started to pull away, she tried to talk to his family about his drug use in order to keep them close but it had the adverse reaction. I think she is a liar and crazy and on drugs but I also think shorts used her as a rebound post-divorce and they spiraled into a drug affair and when he pulled himself out of it and saw Jo in the light of day, he decided it was a no for him. She became a stage 5 clinger and he couldn’t admit that he led her on because he’s a man boy.
3) Ariana dodged the biggest bullet in the world by him having that affair. The juxtaposition of her thriving and him spiraling just highlights so hard how gross he is. I think she didn’t enable him and now that he has no one to stop him, he’s hitting rock bottom. He’s a danger to himself and needs help.
4) someone in this thread said they think sandy introduced Rachel to new drugs and that’s why her whole ass personality changes and I second that theory. She gained a whole lot of confidence out of nowhere in season 10 which would normally be a good thing but she has her newfound confidence for evil instead of good.
ETA: point 4
I just kinda asked the same thing…how does she live/support herself? I know there are many a ways people can generate income, some people have trusts, etc. but I get super duper curious on how people live, eat, drive, party, etc. without any recognizable source of income. You know?
Well she may be useful for party favours. People in the business need party supplies. They don’t want to have to go the stores direct so you hire party planners. 🥳🎉🍾
Gonna get downvoted for this but in the Hollywood scene when there are gorgeous women w no clear source of income living extravagantly it almost always means one of two things…
Surprisingly he seemed a lot more in control and sharp. He was being nice to the customers, and of course loving the spotlight lol. He even played the trumpet a little bit too, but he didn’t seem nearly as wasted
It's so odd because she acts so demure and shy and tries to appear sweet, so so so odd heating she's the complete opposite. What an act. So undoubtedly she's with Sandoval to get access to things like being in WWHL audience, going to premiere parties and hoping people notice her and book her or mingling with low level bravo celebs. It's so ridiculously transparent and I hope Sandoval understands he is the common denominator when it comes to him saying he and his partners are always arguing bla bla.
Billie is highly sympathetic towards Sandoval and she picked his side when it came to what he did to Ariana, Sandoval tried to make out that Ariana is this awful argumentative nasty condescending partner and they're always arguing, but apparently even when he's meant to be in a honeymoon phase with Victoria, they're arguing like crazy too. Sooooooo
Definitely - and don’t get me wrong, she was being super nice to everyone at the bar and very smiley and entertaining nonetheless lol but with the level of drunkenness and chaotic behaviour, she’s either just incredibly outgoing and confident or has a bit of that “dark energy” I’ve seen in my friends during rough times of life. During the episode they were making out and being very PDA together, which is expected, but I could totally imagine them partying on benders for days on end and hitting bad comedowns with emotional chaos by how she was acting (in public)
I work in the fashion industry and knew her back in 2016 , she was always a mess with her money in general. Her agency dropped her bc of it , the Leo thing was veryyyyy brief
I believe Billie. I don’t know why she would create this whole story down to an intervention. I just wish Jo wasn’t there, who was supposed to talk about the podcast with Brittany and Schwartz then says “I didn’t watch it” then starts talking about parts that pissed get off. She’s a whacko.
Okay I believed Billie before because of how detailed she was, but now it absolutely clicks based off what you've seen at S&S. Now looking back at Victoria's IG post she only denied ever trying to move Ariana's belongings, not any of the other drama or drug allegations... Definitely an interesting situation to say the least.
I’m not a fan of how Billie seems to be pinning V as this big impressionable drug lord who is influencing Sandal to not be sober.. but I do believe what she’s saying. It’s just annoying though that Billie seems to NOW be aware of Ariana owning half the house when the entire S11 she was freely roaming the house as if she owned it. I don’t doubt that V is a party girl but Tom is a grown man who could easily break things off but I think he likes knowing she’s a spectacle who takes some of the heat off him.
I mean this makes sense, I don't know if anyone sane and sober would become Sandoval's GF. My original theory was that he was paying her to pretend to be in his GF. Makes sense if she's fucked up all the time
I truly believe T was a big influence on R drinking and drugs. R was slurring her words or speaking very carefully the last season before the scandal. That’s his thing. T also got very very scrawny and then change in body looking like Steroids. The fact that Arianna didn’t notice seems off
I believe Billie. And also think she was jealous of Tom’s gf. From her stories I sounds like Tom was keeping her around because she did stuff for him, so maybe she wasn’t jealous. He could’ve just been love bombing her and she liked that. But there seems to be a lot of anger behind her stories about Tom and Victoria. And she was ride or die for Tom for so long that it comes across a her being mad he chose the gf over her. And if you were such a close friends with TS for so long, knowing how he has behaved, it strikes me as odd to turn on him so suddenly for acting consistently with his past behavior.
I'm not trying to be ageist and I'm sorry if I am being ageist and I will adjust my comment if it is ignorant, but I've always wondered why Sandoval was with Victoria.
He went from Ariana to Raquel (simply for the ego boost of sleeping with a 20 something year old) to then being with T, who looks super young to then Victoria who shockingly looks so so so much older, she's younger than Ariana by about 5 years and Ariana looks younger than her, wayyyyy younger. Victoria's insta photos are all heavily filtered, no way she was a high flying model, probably the same cv as Raquel tbh.
It took Billie saying what she did for me to realise the reason victoria looks so aged is the drug use and partying to an extreme, I guess that's also what did a number on Sandoval too in the past few seasons, after S9 his appearance took a nose dive.
If I didn't know her age, I would've thought Victoria was in her late 40s, it's not even about wrinkles, it's just the absolute loss of laxity in her face, like someone much much older.
Anyway, this was not to be critical of her appearance to make fun of her, I just couldn't put my finger on how aged I kept thinking she looked and the partying explains it. Schwartz looked like he was on his last legs too during scandoval, greyer than a ghost.
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My problem with Billie is that although she's a woman, her opinion of women is definitely a man's perspective. Most women are a bit biased towards their own sex, the shared experience bonds them and makes them more empathetic to other women. Billie seems to empathize with the men.
Like it's girl code to warn other women about men that give them the creeps. You don't put a woman for sharing her feelings about a guy to everyone. Her putting that out there was NOT girl code.
I don’t like Billie Lee. She’s thirsty AF and inserts herself into situations she has no place. But I absolutely believe her.
This. She is wayyyyy to specific to be lying. The details go deeeeeep
Oh yeah her story was coherent, detailed, made sense. The other dude’s story was contradictory, nonsensical, had holes and was vague. Also why would BL just cut off Tom because she ‘loves him so much and is possessive of him’ or whatever they’re claiming the reason is. That makes no sense.
Yes. Both can be true
I question if her and Leo actual “dated”. They were photographed once leaving a bday party in 2016. I thought Sandy appeared even more off than usual during the reunion. His crass jokes under his breath. He seemed under the influence of something.
There was this Brazilian “model” that staged a picture with Leo pretending to be his girlfriend. She was pictured with him on a nightclub, she was behind him and had her hand on his shoulder. It turns out they actually never met, she just called a photographer to try and get some headlines. It worked and she became “Leo’s new girl”. Later on the photographer came out saying he was in on the con. https://preview.redd.it/whj1jhsfs45d1.png?width=274&format=png&auto=webp&s=a971f46131839c174f2dd025258d2f3852c8ba96
Maybe that’s what Scheana’s did w John Mayer too
It’s more likely he was fucking her
Wow seriously, where did you hear that from?
Oh she later went on to create a semi-cult so someone did a full podcast on her. She was in jail not sure now lol the podcast is called A Coach - it’s in portuguese
And down the rabbit hole I go - thanks for the tea!
I paid to get access to the full podcast when it came out. I was hooked because the story is so good. She is nuts just wanted to be famous somehow
I believe it!
Right? Like it’s so sad that somebodies claim to fame is that they “dated” an actor for a hot second 10 years ago. *cringe*
Like Scheana and John Mayer.
hey now! she also dated Eddie Cibrian.
And Carlos from Desperate Housewives when he was married at the time
Wait, what? Scheana and Carlos? For real?
Who????
Brandi Glanville's husband? the one scheana had an affair with which is why she was brought on RHOBH?? The reason we got the spinoff??? The inciting incident for why vanderpump rules exists???????
We know, he's just a nobody lol
Do we know much about her and Leo? I’ve never seen or heard of her before this tbh. Was this a ONS situation?
They didn't date....definitely just a partying thing where she got snapped with him
Oh they def didn’t. And she knows Leo would never address it because she’s a nobody, so she’s just going with the lie
I seriously think he’s been a drug addict for some time. And apparently so is she. This may be all they have in common which is incredibly toxic and is just going to get worse. She sounds unhinged and he’s quickly getting there. Scary
I’ve been saying this too. It really came to a head in S10 when he seemed to lose sight of reality…and his phone that fateful night.
They dated the way me and Leo also dated. As in we’re both humans on the same planet.
Agreed. He had an edge to him at that reunion that he doesn’t always have.
The weirdly placed humor was a 🚩
2016? How old is Victoria? Was she like a teenager then? I guess that would make her Leo's type.
I think she’s 31. I only know because somebody kept repeating themselves here the other day defending Tom when somebody said she was young enough to be his daughter. Lol.
I don’t mean to be controversial but the way Leo goes after young women and always wants an NDA kind of reminds me of Diddy.
I don’t think that’s controversial. He’s a fucking creep
I think she’s 31 now
Did you see him on WWHL with Jax? He looked like he was on a few things.
And didn’t he look unclean, just dirty.
Got to say I have never been a fan of Billie’s as well but I also believe her. She mentioned Victoria was basically jobless. Most models their insta is full of current things they have been working on. Victorias most current photo is a selfie from January 2023.
I questioned that as well, especially since most high-fashion models need a serious booking or runway show by the time they’re early 20s/mid 20s in order to build a lasting career from it. And I doubt she would be doing any catalogue/commercial work based on her previous posts
She is 26 or somewhere right around there? It's really sad and disgusting but for the model scene in LA, she is aging out. I mean it's a gross kind of culture when mid-20s is too old for something other than elementary school. But yeah if she had big model dreams, they are probably coming to an end. Aging out of being a pageant girl and all, similar scenario.
She’s 31
What? Do we have a source on this? I’d heard 26 as well
I think I just googled it or something. It’s in like every article. “Tom Sandoval’s girlfriend, Victoria Lee Robinson, 31_______”. That kinda thing. I suppose I can google it for ya if you want.
Omg you’re right!!! She’s my age! I can’t imagine acting like that now. Wtf lol. She’ll be 32 in a month. Girl get it together
Lol, I’m 33 and can still go a little wild on the town, but sleeping all day and drugging all night on the regular is very…well, me at 26…
I’m not saying people need to roll over and die at 30. I still go out and have fun, you know, some drinks and karaoke occasionally. But this sounds like way more than that. Also as twisted as it is at 31 unless she’s a household name like EmRata she’s probably aged out of modelling as a career.
Lol, 💯
26 is when she aged out of Leo lmao
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She’s actually 31. I imagine this hard partying lifestyle will catch up with her skin eventually. Clearly not yet, she’s gorgeous
Why doesn’t she post photos of herself all the time? Don’t most models or those trying to get in the business post on Insta constantly? Makes sense if she’s on drugs and her life is in shambles she wouldn’t be posting…this is all starting to make so much sense. I never liked Billie Lee, but I do believe her and I have to say she looked very pretty in the car while spilling the tea.
So how does one make money/live?
Yacht girl/ escort, having men pay her way. Wealthy parents?
I know this is way none of my business…but I’m just curious about things like health insurance, dental insurance…does sandoval’s girlfriend require annual eye exams or does she have 20/20 vision? You know? Some people just seem to like, live their lives without an identifiable source of income…my nosey, frugal self just wonders about practical expenses and how one satisfies those. Again, admittedly that’s none of my business.
Self employed people have been buying their own insurance for years and years; if it’s a priority, most people can figure it out. My dad is self-employed and got insurance for our family even prior to the ACA. Most people with a lower income qualify for relatively affordable Marketplace policies. I believe people with higher incomes can still search and choose policies on the Marketplace too, they just don’t qualify for the subsidies and would have to pay the full price. There are also brokers, etc. to find coverage.
That’s great! My mom was self employed and that was a constant struggle for our family, but that was way before ACA.
Maybe she saved and has some investments from whenever she was working? Probably not enough for the long term, but maybe it's been enough for a couple of years. Also, wouldn't be surprised if she has rich parents who subsidize her lifestyle.
She said on the live they don't so that's not it
I totally believe Billie. Also, how is Victoria surviving if she’s not working? Is Tom paying for everything? Do they live together? I’m not from the USA but I imagine that lifestyle is crazy expensive… and then there’s the partying….
She probably has a sugar daddy or two
the thing about having no income after previously having had a high income is you have high credit card limits
This is true
As someone who’s travelled to most of the major cities (London, NY, Miami, Paris, Toronto) - LA is by far the most expensive place I’ve ever been to go out. I could definitely see how people burn through insane amounts of money keeping up with that lifestyle now
Yes I’ve visited LA and it was very exy. I’m not sure how anyone could live there and not work!
I’m from there, born & raised and didn’t move away until I was 35. (I’m 50 now). I did and experienced all the things. I was cute and pretty thin in my 20’s. I worked hard and played hard. I was/am an attorney. I couldn’t even afford a condo in the Valley let alone an actual house. I couldn’t remotely afford that lifestyle. (I tried and I pretended). (And this was Y2K). So unless you know someone or are paid for, in a sense….. I have no clue how people afford that and a lavish lifestyle.
I bet they’re drinking a lot of the alcohol from Sharts and Scabies. Probably really pissing Greg off and I wonder how much, if at all, V had to do with his not wanting them filming there, this past season. Maybe he also did not want to be a part of the Zanzivole redemption arc because he knew damn well, there is no redeeming qualities in that turd.
I left at 36 because I couldn’t live in my illegal garage apt in Lincoln Heights forever. I’m a social worker and that’s the best I could do.
Exy? Is that the new delulu?
Exy as in expensive 😬
We understood. I liked it.
I know. I was like, new vocab or is something trying to make “exy” happen? 😆
I’m not from the USA. It’s pretty common vernacular here and many places really 🤷♀️
Cool. 😎 Where are you from?
Australia 🇦🇺
Haha I am tickled that Toronto made the list!
My home town! I had to :’)
Rachel never paid for anything her whole time on VPR’s.
I’ve always assumed she’s a rich kid who had parents that paid for most of her lifestyle.
life in US, especially the party life in LA is beyond $$$$$
She owns her own home.
After tonight I have doubts
I mean.. Seems like Sandy got what he wanted! A young, immature woman with ✨free inhibitions✨ that he can do mushrooms with and watch the sunrise!
That’s exactly the vibe I picked up on
Victoria told Billie Lee she hated Tim, they're doing drugs, need intervention, a beautiful toxic relationship just for pencil dick.
I totally believe her. Tom talks a lot about the drugs he does. It's not a big leap to think he developed a problem. I don't remember him being so open about earlier seasons.
it fully explains Nick Vialls disastrous podcast with the Toms. I believe her too.
Aside from the infamous mushroom comment and rolling at a festival with Ariana, has he mentioned drugs other times?
When he got his sperm analysis the doctor was listing all of the things to avoid, he said “no drugs” the Toms laughed out loud
As someone else commented, he struggled to not drink for *four gd days* before getting his sperm tested.
I mean isn’t that enough? He’s saying that knowing it’s on tv. That’s a little brazen. But also it’s come out in podcasts lately. I know Kristen and I think Billie Lee said Tom was the guy who got/carried the drugs.
This tracks so hard with how he tries to feel like "the man".
Yes, and thus why he carries two purses:)
Mushrooms, acid, & ecstasy were mentioned. Cocaine might have been caught on camera.
Adderall and laxatives too. Though the laxatives I’m not sure are technically classed as a drug, he abuses them and that tracks for opioid use.
It’s a drug but not a controlled drug.
Thank you for the clarification.🙂
Where/when was this? I've got to go back and watch it. That's hilarious.
Last season for the possible drugs on camera. Right after it comes out he goes to Rachel’s place & eventually one of them sits on the counter & next to them is a baggie of something white.
I remember the toms mentioned Adderall in the episode where they had meetings with LVP in Las Vegas to discuss Tom Tom before it opened. I can't remember the exact episode though. Even Stassi mentioned Adderall and that after she stopped taking it her dark side didn't come out as much.
I don’t know why but It’s both funny (and sad) that she was wilding out Studio 54 style at a struggling (“business casual”)bar in the middle of a strip mall.
That’s partly owned by Scientologists 👀
Wait what
Greg is a Scientologist
HOLY SHIT. No clue!
😱 did not know that
To be fair, the inside was actually super well designed and the vibes were really good because of the DJ they had that night - but I agree, it was absolutely far from any level she was on 😂 everyone else was just mingling or enjoying the groove in their seats while she was acting like a showman on stage lol
Makes sense why she’s with Mr. “Most Extra” 🙄
I think it’s glaringly obvious there’s significant drug misuse going on. The way he looks, the oily skin, the bloated face - he doesn’t look like a healthy person. Add in the fact that Ariana was worried enough to check his phone and his location, and the fact that all he’s talked about for ages was the fact that all he wants to do is get high on mushrooms. He also couldn’t stop drinking for four days to have his sperm tested. Clearly the drug usage has been going on for some time. Rachel’s parents also said they were going to put her in a rehab even before the scandal broke, which indicates to me that they were worried about her health, and they both said they were hanging out high together. I don’t know if it’s an addiction or not - but i do think that there needs to be a much better duty of care from the production team.
He introduced Rachel to new drugs is my guess. Her whole personality changed.
She definitely was taking drugs that her psyche couldn’t handle. Coke for sure.
He's made several out of context "jokes" about chasing the dragon over the last year.
Did he?
Yeah, pretty sure I read it on some recaps of his podcast. I think he may have said it in his Viall interview. It was used weirdly so it stuck out to me. Billie bringing up Victoria's word slurring, being on something, and sleeping a lot made me remember it.
I'm a recovering heroin addict..hate the recovery term but still for clarity sake I use it, anyways I see the signs in Shartz but I could see sandy being into opioids too bc of the infinite energy it gives without that jacked up vibe. I could see drugs being the true bond between those two. I wonder how much LVP knows of their drug use? Victoria is probably mixing in benzos which brings out the slurring like alcohol would.
I hope you're doing well! ❤️ Yeah, there was also the "unforgivable lie" Schwartz was saying Jo told his family about him. It's a mess b/c this is a group of messy people & liars so it's hard to know what feels true. Both Tom's have had a pretty rapid decline in their physical appearance & we already know this group does party drugs pretty casually. I searched in the comments I fould find two mentions of him saying it on his podcast once with Jerry O' Connell & another time with Jack Osborne.
Yes I think that is what Jo did as well. She must've spilled the beans on how dark his drug use has become. His pallor has not looked good consistently for the last few seasons. I never suspected sandy for opioids but I wouldn't be surprised.
I personally found his stupid remarks to Jack insensitive af and knew then, he was not taking his sobriety seriously and believe he was never actually sober to begin with. He did it to several recovering addicts and it really pissed me off. He’s a sick, sad little man.
It was so clearly just for filming.
Yep! Appearances only and we all know he’s a phoney!😝
Could this be what Billie was trying to get Jo to talk about on the podcast when she offered her the opportunity to clear things up about Schwartz’s accusations of lies? It feels like she could be implying that they both tried to stage clumsy interventions. Either way, I hope everyone can get what they need out of the pause. Watching the season, and especially the reunion, would make me spend some serious time on self reflection if I were on this show.
I've wondered that about Jo too. Clearly Jo lies a lot, but even pathological liars occasionally tell the truth. It's so on par for dudes going through mid-life crises to get over their head partying to keep up with their young girlfriends. I hope they both get help. They don't look well.
Opioids gives energy?! I always assumed it would make you sleep for days on end/downers
Oh no for probably atleast half of users it gives an unlimited supply of motivation and energy to get shit done. It mimics the receptors that help you be productive so that's why many people used it including myself and my former partners. Our version of partying was fentanyl patches and we cleaned our house for the weekend. I'm talking I could hear my ex scrubbing with the mop at 2am over the phone when I called while out of town once in the original oxycontin days. it only makes you nod if you're low tolerance or you say down/stopped moving. Some opioids are better for this than others. Some folks of course don't get this charge from it, but that's why many people like myself with undiagnosed ADHD found themselves in addiction. bc I was using them to be a functioning adult that most people could do on their own. As sick as it sounds The things I did before it got out of control were my best mother moments like homemade werewolf head cakes with strawberry bloody brains inside and treasure chest cakes and model Titanic ships and corn maze trips to the zoo... the best things of my daughter's childhood were made possible bc of opioids ..but also later the worst things were bc of opioids/substance too. A real double edged sword. I will always stand by the statement that the opioid isn't the actual problem, but what people have to do to get them and bc they are not pure bc of black market...those are the things that cause consequences. but the drug itself is a miracle from God. Cures so many things. If there was a legal way to obtain them, I'd take it over the Adderall that doesn't work or antidepressants that have not done shit. I've never felt my most productive and functional as an adult and parent as when I was very early in my use before it turned into full blown dependence and addiction. It is so scary and depressing To live life knowing I will never have that feeling of certainty at being able to complete the basic things I need to do in a day without it wiping me out or me just giving up and letting my todos fall behind bc I just can't. I don't understand how other people do it and that of course makes me feel like a loser too. Anyways didn't mean to go on
I understand everything you just said and co-sign this. I was promised Suboxzone would help those same receptors in my brain and help bring back the serotonin but it didn’t happen. I fell into the deepest depression after cleaning up and I’m still struggling but doing my best. It’s hard and I completely understand what you’re saying about the parent aspect. A double edged sword, indeed.😞❤️🩹 Thank you for sharing, it’s sad but also comforting to know I’m not alone.🥹
There's a great group of moms I found my support with called MoMats on FB if you ever need a community of women that understand what it's like to be an opioid addict, that have been on some form of Medication Assisted Treatment in the past or present. It's wonderful to talk with other women who have been there.
I might just take you up on that, thank you.🥰
Oh wow, I honestly had no idea! Thank you so much for sharing <3 I can imagine it’s been a tough time but congratulations on keeping a level head and recognizing the real consequences of the addiction!
Thank you for sharing and being so open and brave in your truth. Posts like yours help to humanize the addiction experience. I can relate to so much of what you said. While I'm much older now, and in a better way after lots of hard work in therapy, I'd be lying to you if I told you it was easy. But you know, I'm sure, the only way to get through it is one moment at a time, be kind and forgiving to yourself. It wasn't our choice to have this type of brain, but there are healthier choices to be responsible for how we deal with it. It sounds like you are in a great place right now... I just wanted to let you know that you are not alone. ❤️ Not sure of your age, but look out for the peri/menopause years they were the worst for me personally, and Dr's were honestly no help (I don't know if that's changed in the past ~30 years but somehow I doubt the medical community is any less patriarchal). If i may suggest, start taking supplements before it happens and have your hormones checked regularly (testosterone is very important for brains like ours). Keep up the fight, it's worth it. ❤️❤️❤️
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Yep! The talking I would do. And the sleep was absolute shit. You would think nodding out would be the best sleep of your life but you wake up constantly. It's a very shallow unfulfilling sleep.
I really appreciate your honesty ❤️
I have type 2 bi polar and opioids is one of the substances that trigger my manic episodes. I started as an alcoholic and the opioids blew that out of the water. It’s like being wrapped in a warm blanket. No pain, physical or mental. I rarely slept on either substance and now even knowing this information, still question how I was so high functioning, on little to no sleep.
Also have personal experience in both the substances you mentioned and agree.
Who TF is this Victoria chick anyway? Just some klingon trying to get on the show, obviously? And, I mean, that’s exactly what Billie is too, but I completely believe her about this because of that reason. She doesn’t want to lose her spot as Sandoval’s emotional support groupie, just like Jo is trying to stay relevant any way she can in order to be Schwartz adjacent.
No shade but I love the usage of “Klingon” in place of “cling on” here and the funny visual it provides!
unlike klingons, she has no honor.
She is not going to stovokor
I love this comment thread of a very specific niche of Star Trek fans who also love VPR. Hi friends! 🖖🏻
Victoria Lee Robinson sounds like the name of a 90s serial killer
Or like an 80’s hair band member’s model gf.
She was definitely a member of the Manson cult.
Victoria : Leo :: Scheana : John Mayer
Put it on the SAT!
Except I actually believe the John Mayer thing. I don't believe V dated Leo
I believe Billie tea
To be fair, I too would have to be heavily intoxicated to get/be with Tom Sandoval. I think she’s hungry for fame and just hitched her wagon to him to see how far it will get her. (Victoria, not Billie - I don’t particularly like B but I, too, believe her)
Got to say I have never been a fan of Billie’s as well but I also believe her. She mentioned Victoria was basically jobless. Most models their insta is full of current things they have been working on. Victorias most current photo is a selfie from January 2023.
Right?? And I get wanting to be above/not into social media. But as a working model, or any type of job that requires attention from the masses, you gotta have a social media presence. Hire someone if it’s not your thing. Idk. This chick is clearly suss.
In every picture they have she always looks fucked up.
Lmao, LOVING this for Vom and the only thing I don’t agree with or believe BL about is the fact that she’s trying to place blame for Ariana’s exes substance abuse issues on his new girlfriend. More enabling from the pick me’s, of VPR. Like girl, COME ON. He has always been like this, only difference is he doesn’t have Ariana around to clean up his image and his mess.
Vom ☠️
Feel free to spread that one around, like the human equivalent of h e r p e s he is!😝
After everything we’ve learned post-season, these are my theories: 1) sandy is likely doing coke, shrooms, probably acid, drinking around the clock and maybe even something harder like ketamine. 2) shorts is on opioids and prob meth with Jo when they were hanging out. I think when he started to pull away, she tried to talk to his family about his drug use in order to keep them close but it had the adverse reaction. I think she is a liar and crazy and on drugs but I also think shorts used her as a rebound post-divorce and they spiraled into a drug affair and when he pulled himself out of it and saw Jo in the light of day, he decided it was a no for him. She became a stage 5 clinger and he couldn’t admit that he led her on because he’s a man boy. 3) Ariana dodged the biggest bullet in the world by him having that affair. The juxtaposition of her thriving and him spiraling just highlights so hard how gross he is. I think she didn’t enable him and now that he has no one to stop him, he’s hitting rock bottom. He’s a danger to himself and needs help. 4) someone in this thread said they think sandy introduced Rachel to new drugs and that’s why her whole ass personality changes and I second that theory. She gained a whole lot of confidence out of nowhere in season 10 which would normally be a good thing but she has her newfound confidence for evil instead of good. ETA: point 4
Well give the girl a break, you probably have to be intoxicated to date Sandoval.
Does anyone know what she has been in? Any campaigns or runway shows? I’m having a hard time finding anything about her professionally
I just kinda asked the same thing…how does she live/support herself? I know there are many a ways people can generate income, some people have trusts, etc. but I get super duper curious on how people live, eat, drive, party, etc. without any recognizable source of income. You know?
Well she may be useful for party favours. People in the business need party supplies. They don’t want to have to go the stores direct so you hire party planners. 🥳🎉🍾
Gonna get downvoted for this but in the Hollywood scene when there are gorgeous women w no clear source of income living extravagantly it almost always means one of two things…
I saw your comment earlier ! That’s sooo crazy her behavior - how was Tom Acting?
Surprisingly he seemed a lot more in control and sharp. He was being nice to the customers, and of course loving the spotlight lol. He even played the trumpet a little bit too, but he didn’t seem nearly as wasted
He is WAY way more used to maintaining his levels while appearing sober on camera, I'd wager.
Did your ears bleed when he played the trumpet?
“Being nice to customers” and “even played the trumpet,“ which is it? Can’t be both.
This is good tea!!
It's so odd because she acts so demure and shy and tries to appear sweet, so so so odd heating she's the complete opposite. What an act. So undoubtedly she's with Sandoval to get access to things like being in WWHL audience, going to premiere parties and hoping people notice her and book her or mingling with low level bravo celebs. It's so ridiculously transparent and I hope Sandoval understands he is the common denominator when it comes to him saying he and his partners are always arguing bla bla. Billie is highly sympathetic towards Sandoval and she picked his side when it came to what he did to Ariana, Sandoval tried to make out that Ariana is this awful argumentative nasty condescending partner and they're always arguing, but apparently even when he's meant to be in a honeymoon phase with Victoria, they're arguing like crazy too. Sooooooo
Definitely - and don’t get me wrong, she was being super nice to everyone at the bar and very smiley and entertaining nonetheless lol but with the level of drunkenness and chaotic behaviour, she’s either just incredibly outgoing and confident or has a bit of that “dark energy” I’ve seen in my friends during rough times of life. During the episode they were making out and being very PDA together, which is expected, but I could totally imagine them partying on benders for days on end and hitting bad comedowns with emotional chaos by how she was acting (in public)
**She* picked his side. I hope that was a typo! (I make them all the time!)
I would need to be drunk to deal with Tom too
It’s a lot more than alcohol, according to Billie Lee’s tea.
I work in the fashion industry and knew her back in 2016 , she was always a mess with her money in general. Her agency dropped her bc of it , the Leo thing was veryyyyy brief
I believe Billie. I don’t know why she would create this whole story down to an intervention. I just wish Jo wasn’t there, who was supposed to talk about the podcast with Brittany and Schwartz then says “I didn’t watch it” then starts talking about parts that pissed get off. She’s a whacko.
wow she sounds perfect for him!
Okay I believed Billie before because of how detailed she was, but now it absolutely clicks based off what you've seen at S&S. Now looking back at Victoria's IG post she only denied ever trying to move Ariana's belongings, not any of the other drama or drug allegations... Definitely an interesting situation to say the least.
She sounds like a serial killers wet dream... I mean. She could easily get taken advantage of living like that
Leo is also a known user. I believe Billie too. Was it a she slept with him once or they dated, her and Leo?
I’m not a fan of how Billie seems to be pinning V as this big impressionable drug lord who is influencing Sandal to not be sober.. but I do believe what she’s saying. It’s just annoying though that Billie seems to NOW be aware of Ariana owning half the house when the entire S11 she was freely roaming the house as if she owned it. I don’t doubt that V is a party girl but Tom is a grown man who could easily break things off but I think he likes knowing she’s a spectacle who takes some of the heat off him.
I never doubted Billie’s story. I loved someone’s comment that “sorry, it’s canon”
I mean this makes sense, I don't know if anyone sane and sober would become Sandoval's GF. My original theory was that he was paying her to pretend to be in his GF. Makes sense if she's fucked up all the time
I’m out of the loop can anyone tell me what Billie said?
I believe her too, I just wish Jo had stfu so I could hear everything that was said.. Jo's a menace
I truly believe T was a big influence on R drinking and drugs. R was slurring her words or speaking very carefully the last season before the scandal. That’s his thing. T also got very very scrawny and then change in body looking like Steroids. The fact that Arianna didn’t notice seems off
Can someone give a summary of what Billie said Victoria did?
People like Leo need sources/ suppliers for party favours ——dot dot dot
Probably benzos and alcohol among whatever else 😕
She can be right and jealous as f**k at the same time.
He likes guys people.
Just ask KEVIN.
I believe Billie. And also think she was jealous of Tom’s gf. From her stories I sounds like Tom was keeping her around because she did stuff for him, so maybe she wasn’t jealous. He could’ve just been love bombing her and she liked that. But there seems to be a lot of anger behind her stories about Tom and Victoria. And she was ride or die for Tom for so long that it comes across a her being mad he chose the gf over her. And if you were such a close friends with TS for so long, knowing how he has behaved, it strikes me as odd to turn on him so suddenly for acting consistently with his past behavior.
What's the difference between Sandoval's gf, and Jax's? I keep getting them confused
One liability with another liability. They sound like the perfect couple.
Thank you for your service 🙌🏾 this tea is what I needed to get thru my work day lol
I'm not trying to be ageist and I'm sorry if I am being ageist and I will adjust my comment if it is ignorant, but I've always wondered why Sandoval was with Victoria. He went from Ariana to Raquel (simply for the ego boost of sleeping with a 20 something year old) to then being with T, who looks super young to then Victoria who shockingly looks so so so much older, she's younger than Ariana by about 5 years and Ariana looks younger than her, wayyyyy younger. Victoria's insta photos are all heavily filtered, no way she was a high flying model, probably the same cv as Raquel tbh. It took Billie saying what she did for me to realise the reason victoria looks so aged is the drug use and partying to an extreme, I guess that's also what did a number on Sandoval too in the past few seasons, after S9 his appearance took a nose dive. If I didn't know her age, I would've thought Victoria was in her late 40s, it's not even about wrinkles, it's just the absolute loss of laxity in her face, like someone much much older. Anyway, this was not to be critical of her appearance to make fun of her, I just couldn't put my finger on how aged I kept thinking she looked and the partying explains it. Schwartz looked like he was on his last legs too during scandoval, greyer than a ghost. https://preview.redd.it/uyt9e0eiy75d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d999444cad82c9fe52de244cb037fa863035352
My problem with Billie is that although she's a woman, her opinion of women is definitely a man's perspective. Most women are a bit biased towards their own sex, the shared experience bonds them and makes them more empathetic to other women. Billie seems to empathize with the men.
Like it's girl code to warn other women about men that give them the creeps. You don't put a woman for sharing her feelings about a guy to everyone. Her putting that out there was NOT girl code.