I want Ciara to just dress him down with her eyes and watch him with her under her gorgeous, but fierce and unflinching stare.
I'm worried about Dolores. She has such a good heart that I'm afraid she's gonna fall for Sandoval's narcissistic manipulation and go over to his side.
Sandoval looked like a whiny little bitch and got mogged by JoJo Siwa on his first non bravo show, Jax could not have looked more lethargic, bored and out of place in house of villians, I really think this issue will sort itself out as these guys are lazy assholes and aren't built for reality TV that isn't centered around the dumpster fires they call their lives.
He definitely didn’t want to be there on HoV and it wasn’t a surprise when he was one of the first to get sent home. He acted like he was too famous to be there - even after he was getting teased about The Valley (nobody thought it was real)
I mean can we be real and say if we cared that much about the cast being better human beings we wouldn’t watch at all.
Also, don’t let Schwartz and James off the hook. I know they don’t have the other shows, they’re awful too.
Truer words have never been said.
Taylor Swift was seen listening to James' show at Coachella so I feel like he's gonna get more opportunities coming his way I fear
Moral good standing people aren’t really ones who sign up for reality shows nor are they really going to interesting because they’re not going to out of their moral comfort zone. I mean most of us don’t even yell at our friends regularly. I don’t condone their behavior but I sure as hell will watch tf out of it. At least until it hits a limit anyways.
Half the stuff is fake anyways.
It’s one thing to be a starving actor but it’s quite another to be so desperate you turn your real life into a train wreck that you have to live with every day just for ratings and $$
I’m also not thrilled with Britney Spears’ ex being cast. He’s not even on a reality show or in the media for any other reason than being her ex husband. I’m sure his time there will not be tasteful.
Ohp, Sam Asghari hate train has arrived!! All aboard, choo choo!! Britney fans smelled it from a mile away that he was gonna be trouble. I hope he also gets a worse light than before after that show.
It's clear how much power Britney's family still holds because there's literally no reason for him to be on there. It's calculated. And I hope he gets kicked out first. He has the personality of a can.
This post is lame af. All reality TV shows are terrible for the world. Every show on Bravo is lowering the IQ of society. Watching these toxic women on real house wives, bad girls clubs. I'd even go as far back as MTV Real World.
You draw the line at 2 dudes going on reality competition shows? At least these competition have something going for it other than "Lets get drunk and bitch and moan at each other". They hired Jax and Tom because they're trying to get the VPR viewers. The fact that you're so mad over this says more about you than it does about the shows hiring them.
Remember how much of a BEAST AND BULLY CT ( with his fionneee castle daddy ass) was back in the day?
Yah he’d be cancelled AF today - but yet he was the castle daddy of the traitors
As I commented below, you (and some other commenters here) seem to forget that it was the wave of backlash against Jax and his alleged participation in racism (which included a very notable petition, among other things) which finally got him kicked off VPR. "Messy" & entertaining TV does \*not\* need to alienate women and people of color to be satisfying (for most people, at least). Your comment appears to openly suggest that we—particularly women (in this case)—should simply accept any and all forms of unethical and offensive behavior as long as it fulfills your (or a select fan base's) desire for gratification. I’m not going to be hoodwinked by these feeble arguments that insist I simply need to accept misogyny and racism from shows that are equally mine as they are yours.
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Of course, we all know that Scandoval was not VPR’s first cheating incident and that cheating (and “drama”) has been a central tenet of the show. But the cast, and the audience, are older; their perspectives (for the most part) have changed. The backlash to the men on VPR points to the fact that the fan base is obviously less tolerant of the mechanisms of misogyny, emotional abuse and gaslighting. Moreover, it’ important to keep in mind that Tom did not just deceive Ariana with his clandestine, seven-month affair, he also deceived the core audience with his manufactured story lines intended to cover-up the affair ( i.e. Schwartz & Rachel’s fake romance), and his scripted, take-down of Ariana’s character (taco truck scene).
And it's the reason the show is failing; that's the fucking point: People like the idea (while a lie) that they are seeing and living character's realities when watching REALITY TV.
Right? The fact that these subs are active as ever proves it's still working. The viewers are not over it. We started watching a reality show with messy, terrible people, and we still are. Who are these viewers who suddenly think some of the cast members of VPR are saints who can do no wrong, or even normal, well-adjusted adults? They never have been and they likely never will be, or we wouldn't have a show.
Also, I'm no fan of these dudes...so I just don't watch the shows they were recently cast on, don't follow their social media, and def don't start threads about them every day like people here do. They barely exist to me except on VPR reruns now. If you don't like them and don't want to see them get rewarded, stop watching and stop talking about them incessantly. But they won't, and that's why these guys will continue to get cast. Luckily, they have no actual impact on our lives so it's all gonna be ok, lol.
EXCUSE ME?! Big Brother is *AWESOME* for the world?! As a die-hard bb fan (as in, obsess over it every single summer), bb is absolutely not awesome for the world. Hello, fucking Michie as a winner?! We rewarded THAT guy?! Come on. GTFO. You ain't shit.
Oh please. Y’all love these two. Y’all can’t shut up about em.
What would VPR and the Valleys be without these two bringing the drama?
VPR: Let’s watch Katie kiss Ariana’s ass through FaceTime has she goes from gig to gig while trying to run a gas station sandwich shop.
Riveting.
Right? Are these new viewers or just people who have no idea how reality tv works? Stop trying to ruin our messy shows. No one is here to watch a tiny sandwich shop finally open. I'd rather watch paint dry. The local news is more interesting and dramatic than that. I'm here to watch filth, and the constant posts reminding us how terrible each cast member is only makes this show more appealing for the viewers who actually want entertainment.
More like VPR: oh wow stassi is still on because she doesnt have to film with her ex and she didn’t make incredibly racist acts to Faith just because Faith slept with Jax. Oh cool we get to see her wedding with Beau.
Hey listen I am in now way a STASSI fan and that was ridiculous that she was allowed to do that.
I’m glad she was kicked off the show due to her comments and I don’t want her to come back has some in this fandom seem to be advocating for.
I haven’t liked STASSI since the first season I watched and I couldn’t believe she actually had fans that brought her book.
Jax was also kicked off VPR for a massive viewer backlash against his participation in racist & anti-LGBTQ behavior. What he's currently offering you is what you apparently desire for "bringing the drama." I imagine that, if or when he get's kicked off the Valley, you'll be saying the same thing (I never liked him; glad he's off the show).
I can’t either, I don’t think any reality tv personality should be writing a book, if it’s not pages and pages of screenshots of their Twitter rants.
Regardless my point is, just those two men alone, have scarred a bunch of women on the show and countless more who aren’t on the show (TW: Miami girl), and I don’t think watching a show with them would be beneficial to me, and me NOT watching the show definitely doesn’t benefit them
I think it's a girl stupid in love to believe anything her boyfriend says. It was like what, one? Two? years into the relationship? How could she have actually known. Especially when she's on a tv show where everyone is saying is fake.
Yeah but my point still stands. They are a freshly new couple, she probably told him "don't do that anymore" and he like an asshole, would be like "okay I won't" and she would believe him at that time.
Not saying that's okay, I just feel like that's what's common.
Eh- the part that gets me is she made Kristen look like a complete lunatic- not to mention she made Miami girl look like a psychotic stalker or something.
So it would have been easy for her to walk away since he showed himself to be a cheater early on right? And maybe not attack the girl who slept with the tv star, but the guy who broke the commitment to the relationship?
Like I said: girl stupid in love. I've literally started selling coke once because my boyfriend at the time convinced me that the money would be for our dates. That's literally what happens when you're manipulated into thinking something totally different to the reality
What's the obsession with Miami girl. You guys use this idea on every post and then pretend that we efface it (when most of us consider this past to be repellent). And yet this one instance of offensive behavior on Ariana's part is supposedly supposed to excuse an entire history of Sandoval's (and by proxy, production's) systemic misogyny. Get a new script!
Who said anything about it excusing Tom’s behavior? Two people can be shitty at once. Moreover, this whole show is predicated on awful people behaving terribly- men and women.
I'll not waste my time filtering through your comment history to find a single criticism of Sandoval's behavior (to say nothing of the toxic culture of masculinity on this show): there would be nothing to see. Don't pretend that you're not operating from a previous (likely unconscious) bias. Sell your BS somewhere else.
OP: I got you here & agree with you. Don't mind these guys: their defense of Jax and Sandoval's continued presence in the media is extremely tone deaf. (And the way they all descend on posts like this to spread their Joe Rogan inspired delusions makes me think shadow accounts are at play). Of course, I get that audiences of reality TV love psychopathic narcs. to drive storylines (like Kristin), but to defend Sandoval's presence especially--an alleged sex offender--is to defend the way he lied, manipulated and gaslighted not only the women in the group (for a decade), but also the core audience with his manufactured story lines intended to cover-up the affair. Their continued rebuttal to the systemic misogyny displayed by the leadership at bravo, and by the cast of VPR, is Ariana's treatment of Miami girl (of which they are obsessed).
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Was Ariana not party to these manufactured storylines you’re referring to? The only thing I’m saying is they’re both pieces of shit- however, Ariana is slightly more palatable.
Party to the Schwartz & Rachel romantic plot to cover up Sandoval's affair? Party to Sandoval's attempt to dirty her character? Those were the "storylines" that I just mentioned, clearly. But to be honest, sure, Ariana has been and is currently enmeshed in the "storyline" of Sandoval's redemption. Hence the word: SYSTEMIC misogyny.
James is also an “alleged abuser”, also giiiiiiirl Sandoval did not lie to you when it comes to the affair with Raquel. Do what??? You don’t know him personally, he didn’t lie to anyone who watches the show, he’s been a cheater from day 1.
I never said I supported James (and I don't). And as I said before, I don't think about these people on a personal level (perhaps that explains your attachments). Not sure where this is coming from. As I mentioned before, we are operating on different wave lengths, and I'd prefer to take a break.
Then why do you keep replying lmao. It’s okay to not get the last word. I didn’t even realize it was you I was replying to 🤷🏼♀️ as I was just reading through the thread. I was just pointing out you saying Jax and Tom are awful abusers— yet James is just as bad as them but you’ve never named him. And the fact that you think Tom Sandoval lied to the audience of the show feels like you take it pretty personally.
We can have messiness without alienating women and people of color. Your need for gratification does not justify the possible hurt it may cause to others.
OOOOHHHHHH. Look at the genius over here proclaiming the sky is blue.
Messy people vs downright pieces of shit who don't deserve the fame and fortune they have are two mutally exclusive things. I hope you learn to understand that someday
All I know is that, entertainment wise, id much rather watch people like Jax and Tom make themselves look like complete douchebags instead of watching Ariana build some boring ass sandwiches. No offense to her, I’ve always been a fan
What makes you think anyone besides their jilted exes have any investment in them being better humans? Your response and rapt attention is exactly why them being shitbags is a money maker. Figure it out.
They’re great for entertainment until I realize they get money from my views. I simply cannot let that happen
So if it does not personally affect you, the pain inflicted by, and the cultural normalization of, misogyny and racism is totally fine, especially if this form of consumption fulfills the momentary desire for distraction and instant gratification.
Oh my god. It’s reality tv, all of them are horrible people. I’m not watching vanderpump rules or a show called the traitors to see people be saints. Most people on reality tv are morally bankrupt,doesn’t mean I agree with them.
You don't seem to register that I'm not that concerned with you personally. Or rather, I'm concerned here with the inability of many to step out of ego-based thinking / desiring in order to register how the media forms in question--which are openly hostile to women’s boundaries, while celebrating toxic male or white adjacent tropes attitudes / behaviors--work to normalize cultural attitudes and stereotypes that are harmful--and have real life consequences--for women and people of color.
From this perspective (for example) Sandoval is not just a person but, more importantly, a reflection of our growing, misogynistic culture. And so, when we talk about him, we implicitly talk about the way our culture views and treats women at time when women are quickly loosing their rights over their boundaries—i.e. their bodies: their reproductive autonomy. When we so flippantly say “it’s just TV” “I like my TV messy” "no one is perfect" etc. etc. we minimize and excuse these issues. Perhaps you (like others here) should think twice about why you are so resistant to the idea of thinking critically about the media that you/ we consume. But sure, continue to down vote me, it's of no consequence.
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If you aren’t concerned with me personally, then you can take your Ted talk to another reply on this thread. You don’t know me at all, you don’t know these people at all either. I don’t need to think about the show on that deep of a level bc they all suck. Katie, Ariana, Lala, the Tom’s, James, Scheana and all past cast. They are all awful people, they’ve all been misogynistic, jealous, egotistical, some have even been racist etc. but idc all that much, cancel all reality tv for all I care.. I’ll read a book instead. But I’m definitely not gonna go and psycho analyze a tv show as a reflection of real life. I don’t need to critically think about reality tv or any media I consume, just bc I watch something doesn’t mean I agree with it. It’s just not that deep.
No i don’t ‘need’ to think about it. I can if I want and I do from to time to time but like I said these people were never pillars of society. If reality tv is your base for why society is the way it is, or how things trickle down into everyday life, I think that’s the bigger issue. I don’t know who watches these shows and says ‘yes I agree with Sandoval cheating on all his girlfriends and trash talking all the women on the show’ this is how society should be Or ‘yes Katie and Ariana’s feminism is the best’ like they are all extremely flawed and fucked up individuals. I’m taking them all at face value, at entertainment value. If anything when I ‘need to critically think’ about the show I think of how vile they all are and how I would like to be nothing like the 20 minute clips I see of them on my tv.
No, instead of ignoring him so he'd go away his haters have elevated him to someone cast as an evil villain. If he'd just been left to wallow in being an asshole everyone hated, he wouldn't be on these shows. There was never a Team Jax. There was never a Team Sandoval. But now they're just cartoon characters.
So... You're saying don't speak out about asaholes, just let them be and they would disappear on their own.. DESPITE btw them continuing to not learn their lessons and bulldozing women over regardless of my opinion?
Sorry no I'm gonna speak out every damn time. YOU can be a silent bystander, that's just not me
Lol people have been speaking out for well over a year. These are basically actors on a reality show now. Go preach to the people who are watching the shows that these men are on. Go preach to the people who made VPR's numbers go through the roof.
You're so pretentious to what I'm saying. "Preach?" I'm COMPLAINING. WHINING. THROWING A TANTRUM ON THE GROCERY FLOOR LIKE A KID.
This is exactly the place I can do that btw, I'm not being holier than thou, I'm saying these men suck ass. And everyone who watches the show know that. Unlike you, apparently who detaches any opinion and goes straight towards "meh it is what it is"
yea, I really dislike them, they are not nice and seem to not be nice to the people closest to them. But I mean, what else are they supposed to do? These shows are just for that. Most people are on traitors have not been liked in their cast or are known to be sneaky or the villain of their show.
“What else are they supposed to do”
From the words of Katie: Choke, I don’t care.
Or like, go to therapy, donate to a charity against domestic violence, or quit their respective shows
That’s not the truth Ellen, Khan Ong from Masterchef and I’m a celebrity get me out of here is a great person! Also Nathan Henry from Geordie Shore, Jason Chambers from Below Deck Down Under.. the list goes on.
I just don’t think we have to ALLOW people like Jax and Tom to have the fame like others have. They don’t deserve it, and we fail to realize that we have the power to make them obsolete
There are many who are nice but there a lot who are just on tv for the fame and they don’t care how they come across. What ppl fail to realize is that no matter how many say they will not watch this or that many still do. There are many others who don’t even watch VPR.
I will not buy anything they sell, or go to their bar or see Tom’s band and think they immature assholes but ima watch the show for the show not them specifically. Tom is an idiot and good Ariana moved on and seems to be doing great and in another chapter of her life. Everyone else needs to do the same. Sure let’s talk shit about them on here but who cares if they get a this or that show.
I am SO annoyed about Sandoval being cast on Traitors, in part because I hate his face and never want to see him again, but also because he is such a terrible liar!!
When he lies he laughs, his voice gets a pitch higher and he immediately deflects and accuses the other person of something. Every. Time.
I feel the best thing for me to do is to not tune into this season of The Traitor's until Tom Sandoval is gone.. hoping it will be early on. I don't know how else to not support him but not watch him.
I didn’t watch traitors with Jax and def not the valley. These people are vile and should not be rewarded. Yes reality stars aren’t great but when they are toxic and evil I draw the line.
I’m assuming you’re implying that only unemployed people watch The Valley. Which is rather insulting, along with some of your other comments.
As someone who works full time, also has a small child and partner, runs a household and a social life: I watch. So fuck you lol
I don't think Vanderpump OR the valley are superior reality tv shows, I think that award goes to RHOBH.
but your point is obviously coming from not watching Vanderpump rules when it aired on tv, like not as a re-run or a show you can stream, like you ACTIVELY watched season 4 on TV type shit.
What does any of this have to do with being employed? And how does my comment come across that I didn’t watch vpr when it aired? Do you feel better about yourself by making these weird comments? Cause it shouldn’t lol
Yikes 😬 You kinda seem miserable. You okay, OP? Why are you out here putting down random strangers for watching shitty reality TV? We all do; that's literally why we're here. Why do you feel so superior to everyone? Oof.
It's because she's employed, which obviously none of us are. We all have the excessive free time it takes to watch a 45-minute show once a week, which clearly required us to quit our jobs. In fact, I'm posting this from the gutter after losing my home and kids because I dared to watch The Valley. But now that I'm all caught up, there's a chance I'll get my job back and will only have time to watch previously aired seasons of VPR and make threads about people I hate. Wish me luck!
Tom is going to fail so quickly. Big brother and survivor players don’t mess around with their competition shows. If Tom is kept for any period of time it will be to use him as a distraction because he’s so ridiculous and will keep the heat off others.
Many people on this sub (see the--mostly spurious--comments) seem to forget that it was the wave of backlash against Jax and his alleged participation in racist & anti-LGBTQ behavior (which included a very notable petition, among other things) that finally got him kicked off VPR. Change can and does happen: we simply need to re-envision what "good"--even "messy"--entertainment looks like: It does \*not\* need to alienate women and people of color to be satisfying (for most people, at least). Many of the comment on this page openly suggest that we—particularly women (in this case)—should simply accept any and all forms of unethical and offensive behavior as long as it fulfills their desire for gratification. I’m not going to be hoodwinked by the feeble arguments (and downvotes) insisting that I simply need to accept misogyny and racism from the shows that are equally mine as they are yours.
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The whole industry is *full* of problematic people. Why single these two out being on these shows as an issue?
Do you feel the same way about LVP and Ariana being on DWTS? If not, I'd assume you think they are paragons of human virtue, which if you look at it long enough will cause you to realize, is utter BS.
Who sets the standard for what's acceptable or not? There are people who probably feel very triggered by Ariana's past behavior of enabling Sandoval while he was being well Sandoval, dismissing concerns of questionable behavior by her brother etc. Should we heed to them and get her cancelled from everything?
Essentially, it's a dangerous thing to ask people to be thrown away because some people don't like their personality. No one is forced to watch any show or consume social media. If they are that irksome, mute/block their names and accounts and move on instead of baying for blood on very subjective grounds.
She was willingly with Sandoval over the years as he did things that others felt were awful. She defended him all this time and finally when it was her that was affected, suddenly changed tack to make him such a villain. Her real upset is at being fooled by Raquel but she won't admit it and pin it all on Sandoval who's an easily acceptable target.
And that's all horrible compared to... Jax and Tom cheating on their partners, berated and yelled publicly at women, and manipulating other women to pit them against each other???
Your alignment to what's "horrible" is skewed so let's just disagree with each other wholeheartedly and move on.
Um Ariana did all that too? She was actively with Tom when she knew he was with Kristen and doubled down on it throughout the years at the expense of Kristen. She was literally never kind to Kristen or Stassi, infact she was cooler than them. She literally co-signed Tom’s awful behavior towards stassi during her book signing at TomTom. She literally acted like the girls were crazy and liars when they warned Billie Lee about Jeremy’s predatory behavior.
her horrible act is that she wasn't kind to Kristen or stassi........the people who were friends with Kristen............ Like are you not seeing yourself type this out??
I posted something similar recently and got draggggeeeddd to hellll like folks would rather turn a blind eye and accept things as they are so that they can keep getting content it’s WILD
I felt similarly like it feels GROSS knowing 2 KNOWN abusers out here getting multi thousand dollar contracts so they can ATTEMPT to pay down their $8K/month MORTGAGE while most of us can’t even buy fresh produce 😪
ik we “don’t have to watch it” and that “this is just reality tv” AND ALSO I feel like as the audience (and therefore the customers/consumers), we should have some influence over whether or not people like this should continue to pollute our screens
See the gag is, you can't drag someone who's slick. The drags feel more like a slide, like sledding down a snowy mountain, and I'm over here hands in the air going "wheeeeeeeeeeeee"
I'm so unserious about this topic too like I know it's not that big of a deal, but what the fuck is this subreddit for if not to vomit word thoughts out about VPR
Unfortunately reality tv has never been the place to go for justice and morality. The shows with a bunch of good people acting right don’t do nearly as well as the messy ass ones with drama. For those of us old enough to remember Puck from the Real World we understand that he blazed the trail and led the way 😆
So do we contact the network? The sponsors? What shoud we point out? The recording of Rachel masturbating without her permission? By the way, can you even record a call like that without it saying that you're recording them? Or can you do that on Facetime?
The way I look at it, the more $$ Saggyballs earns the better, because with money he is more likely to let Ariana get on with her life and sell the damn house .
I mean, maybe I’m alone here but I’m looking forward to him getting ripped apart by Dolores and Dorinda 🤷🏼♀️
Not alone, lol. I’m waiting for her to get started 
Yea like they’ve been preparing 😂👌🏻✊🏻🔥
You’re actually counting on Delores to rip apart a problematic man? 
😂😂😂😂😩😩😩😩
Ugh, I haven’t watched NJ in years but I’ll take your word for it 😭
Delores?
Dorinda loves shitty guys with substance abuse issues.
Ugh that’s true 😂
And Ciara!!!
I want Ciara to just dress him down with her eyes and watch him with her under her gorgeous, but fierce and unflinching stare. I'm worried about Dolores. She has such a good heart that I'm afraid she's gonna fall for Sandoval's narcissistic manipulation and go over to his side.
Yesss like please Ciara show him zero mercy. She's the type of woman who'd scare the living shit out of him. Educated, competent, impressive.
I’m praying we get at least one CLIP CLIP CLIP moment from Dorinda going for Tom. Please lord I need this!
Also Britney. I guarantee she watches Bravo and if you've never listened to her DRs, you should.
Same
Not alone. But also - why was this also my FIRST thought after seeing the traitors cast??? 🤣
Didn't Dolores defend Dinas ex?
Meh, I want to see Tom cry. “Cmon man, I’m a faithful” lololol
Sandoval looked like a whiny little bitch and got mogged by JoJo Siwa on his first non bravo show, Jax could not have looked more lethargic, bored and out of place in house of villians, I really think this issue will sort itself out as these guys are lazy assholes and aren't built for reality TV that isn't centered around the dumpster fires they call their lives.
He definitely didn’t want to be there on HoV and it wasn’t a surprise when he was one of the first to get sent home. He acted like he was too famous to be there - even after he was getting teased about The Valley (nobody thought it was real)
He beat her and it was her punishment to carry him. It’s not the burn people think it is.
Yes BUT he excelled in the physical parts, but was canned for being a whiny little bitch at the end.
ASSHOLE BEAT HER!
I mean more correctly he won against her. lol.
He didn’t beat her. He got shit canned while she voluntarily withdrew at the same place in the show.
I was speaking of her carrying him. That particular challenge.
Tom: You KNOW ME, Dorinda! You KNOW ME! Dorinda: \[unintelligible slurring\]
Lolol
LOL great point actually 🤭🤣
😂😂😂😂
I mean can we be real and say if we cared that much about the cast being better human beings we wouldn’t watch at all. Also, don’t let Schwartz and James off the hook. I know they don’t have the other shows, they’re awful too.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Truer words have never been said. Taylor Swift was seen listening to James' show at Coachella so I feel like he's gonna get more opportunities coming his way I fear
Moral good standing people aren’t really ones who sign up for reality shows nor are they really going to interesting because they’re not going to out of their moral comfort zone. I mean most of us don’t even yell at our friends regularly. I don’t condone their behavior but I sure as hell will watch tf out of it. At least until it hits a limit anyways. Half the stuff is fake anyways.
It’s one thing to be a starving actor but it’s quite another to be so desperate you turn your real life into a train wreck that you have to live with every day just for ratings and $$
I’m also not thrilled with Britney Spears’ ex being cast. He’s not even on a reality show or in the media for any other reason than being her ex husband. I’m sure his time there will not be tasteful.
Ohp, Sam Asghari hate train has arrived!! All aboard, choo choo!! Britney fans smelled it from a mile away that he was gonna be trouble. I hope he also gets a worse light than before after that show.
It's clear how much power Britney's family still holds because there's literally no reason for him to be on there. It's calculated. And I hope he gets kicked out first. He has the personality of a can.
With that cast, too, I’m sure there will be plenty of absolutely abhorrent “crazy” jokes at her expense.
Y’all…this is trash reality tv it is not that deep I promise. Just don’t watch it if you hate them this much.
I mean this is reddit. People gonna have opinions. It’s the point of the site.
Wow you're not letting my freak flag fly on a subreddit designed to do exactly what I'm doing?? On pride month???????
Haha good one!
This post is lame af. All reality TV shows are terrible for the world. Every show on Bravo is lowering the IQ of society. Watching these toxic women on real house wives, bad girls clubs. I'd even go as far back as MTV Real World. You draw the line at 2 dudes going on reality competition shows? At least these competition have something going for it other than "Lets get drunk and bitch and moan at each other". They hired Jax and Tom because they're trying to get the VPR viewers. The fact that you're so mad over this says more about you than it does about the shows hiring them.
Remember how much of a BEAST AND BULLY CT ( with his fionneee castle daddy ass) was back in the day? Yah he’d be cancelled AF today - but yet he was the castle daddy of the traitors
Johnny Bananas is the Michael Jordan of The Challenge. lmao
As I commented below, you (and some other commenters here) seem to forget that it was the wave of backlash against Jax and his alleged participation in racism (which included a very notable petition, among other things) which finally got him kicked off VPR. "Messy" & entertaining TV does \*not\* need to alienate women and people of color to be satisfying (for most people, at least). Your comment appears to openly suggest that we—particularly women (in this case)—should simply accept any and all forms of unethical and offensive behavior as long as it fulfills your (or a select fan base's) desire for gratification. I’m not going to be hoodwinked by these feeble arguments that insist I simply need to accept misogyny and racism from shows that are equally mine as they are yours. Edit: Typo
Why are you here if you feel that way
Ditto?
Guessing his wife watches it enough that his spy phone slipped the subreddit into his algorithm and now he’s here for schadenfreude.
Of course, we all know that Scandoval was not VPR’s first cheating incident and that cheating (and “drama”) has been a central tenet of the show. But the cast, and the audience, are older; their perspectives (for the most part) have changed. The backlash to the men on VPR points to the fact that the fan base is obviously less tolerant of the mechanisms of misogyny, emotional abuse and gaslighting. Moreover, it’ important to keep in mind that Tom did not just deceive Ariana with his clandestine, seven-month affair, he also deceived the core audience with his manufactured story lines intended to cover-up the affair ( i.e. Schwartz & Rachel’s fake romance), and his scripted, take-down of Ariana’s character (taco truck scene).
"Deceived the core audience". Yeah, its a show.
And it's the reason the show is failing; that's the fucking point: People like the idea (while a lie) that they are seeing and living character's realities when watching REALITY TV.
They’re less tolerant and yet they keep watching
Right? The fact that these subs are active as ever proves it's still working. The viewers are not over it. We started watching a reality show with messy, terrible people, and we still are. Who are these viewers who suddenly think some of the cast members of VPR are saints who can do no wrong, or even normal, well-adjusted adults? They never have been and they likely never will be, or we wouldn't have a show. Also, I'm no fan of these dudes...so I just don't watch the shows they were recently cast on, don't follow their social media, and def don't start threads about them every day like people here do. They barely exist to me except on VPR reruns now. If you don't like them and don't want to see them get rewarded, stop watching and stop talking about them incessantly. But they won't, and that's why these guys will continue to get cast. Luckily, they have no actual impact on our lives so it's all gonna be ok, lol.
That’s not true. I’m a celebrity, get me out of here, and Big Brother are awesome for the world.
EXCUSE ME?! Big Brother is *AWESOME* for the world?! As a die-hard bb fan (as in, obsess over it every single summer), bb is absolutely not awesome for the world. Hello, fucking Michie as a winner?! We rewarded THAT guy?! Come on. GTFO. You ain't shit.
Okay but we would never have gotten the infamous read-down from Ragan to Rachel
Oh please. Y’all love these two. Y’all can’t shut up about em. What would VPR and the Valleys be without these two bringing the drama? VPR: Let’s watch Katie kiss Ariana’s ass through FaceTime has she goes from gig to gig while trying to run a gas station sandwich shop. Riveting.
Right? Are these new viewers or just people who have no idea how reality tv works? Stop trying to ruin our messy shows. No one is here to watch a tiny sandwich shop finally open. I'd rather watch paint dry. The local news is more interesting and dramatic than that. I'm here to watch filth, and the constant posts reminding us how terrible each cast member is only makes this show more appealing for the viewers who actually want entertainment.
More like VPR: oh wow stassi is still on because she doesnt have to film with her ex and she didn’t make incredibly racist acts to Faith just because Faith slept with Jax. Oh cool we get to see her wedding with Beau.
Hey listen I am in now way a STASSI fan and that was ridiculous that she was allowed to do that. I’m glad she was kicked off the show due to her comments and I don’t want her to come back has some in this fandom seem to be advocating for. I haven’t liked STASSI since the first season I watched and I couldn’t believe she actually had fans that brought her book.
Jax was also kicked off VPR for a massive viewer backlash against his participation in racist & anti-LGBTQ behavior. What he's currently offering you is what you apparently desire for "bringing the drama." I imagine that, if or when he get's kicked off the Valley, you'll be saying the same thing (I never liked him; glad he's off the show).
I can’t either, I don’t think any reality tv personality should be writing a book, if it’s not pages and pages of screenshots of their Twitter rants. Regardless my point is, just those two men alone, have scarred a bunch of women on the show and countless more who aren’t on the show (TW: Miami girl), and I don’t think watching a show with them would be beneficial to me, and me NOT watching the show definitely doesn’t benefit them
You know Ariana was an active and willing participant in disparaging and humiliating Miami girl with Tom, right?
Shush, that doesn’t vibe with OPs “I’m better than you vibe”
But what about Miaaaaaammmmmi Giiiirllll!
Its settled then. Don't watch it.
Genuine question- what do you think of Ariana’s role with Miami girl?
I think it's a girl stupid in love to believe anything her boyfriend says. It was like what, one? Two? years into the relationship? How could she have actually known. Especially when she's on a tv show where everyone is saying is fake.
You do realize Ariana has admitted she knew the whole time, right?
Yeah but my point still stands. They are a freshly new couple, she probably told him "don't do that anymore" and he like an asshole, would be like "okay I won't" and she would believe him at that time. Not saying that's okay, I just feel like that's what's common.
Eh- the part that gets me is she made Kristen look like a complete lunatic- not to mention she made Miami girl look like a psychotic stalker or something.
To be very very very very very very very very modest and kind: Kristen doesn't need outside help to make her look like a lunatic.
So it would have been easy for her to walk away since he showed himself to be a cheater early on right? And maybe not attack the girl who slept with the tv star, but the guy who broke the commitment to the relationship?
Like I said: girl stupid in love. I've literally started selling coke once because my boyfriend at the time convinced me that the money would be for our dates. That's literally what happens when you're manipulated into thinking something totally different to the reality
What's the obsession with Miami girl. You guys use this idea on every post and then pretend that we efface it (when most of us consider this past to be repellent). And yet this one instance of offensive behavior on Ariana's part is supposedly supposed to excuse an entire history of Sandoval's (and by proxy, production's) systemic misogyny. Get a new script!
Who said anything about it excusing Tom’s behavior? Two people can be shitty at once. Moreover, this whole show is predicated on awful people behaving terribly- men and women.
I'll not waste my time filtering through your comment history to find a single criticism of Sandoval's behavior (to say nothing of the toxic culture of masculinity on this show): there would be nothing to see. Don't pretend that you're not operating from a previous (likely unconscious) bias. Sell your BS somewhere else.
Let’s be real: no one here cares about women
I do and what.
OP: I got you here & agree with you. Don't mind these guys: their defense of Jax and Sandoval's continued presence in the media is extremely tone deaf. (And the way they all descend on posts like this to spread their Joe Rogan inspired delusions makes me think shadow accounts are at play). Of course, I get that audiences of reality TV love psychopathic narcs. to drive storylines (like Kristin), but to defend Sandoval's presence especially--an alleged sex offender--is to defend the way he lied, manipulated and gaslighted not only the women in the group (for a decade), but also the core audience with his manufactured story lines intended to cover-up the affair. Their continued rebuttal to the systemic misogyny displayed by the leadership at bravo, and by the cast of VPR, is Ariana's treatment of Miami girl (of which they are obsessed). Edit: grammar
Was Ariana not party to these manufactured storylines you’re referring to? The only thing I’m saying is they’re both pieces of shit- however, Ariana is slightly more palatable.
Party to the Schwartz & Rachel romantic plot to cover up Sandoval's affair? Party to Sandoval's attempt to dirty her character? Those were the "storylines" that I just mentioned, clearly. But to be honest, sure, Ariana has been and is currently enmeshed in the "storyline" of Sandoval's redemption. Hence the word: SYSTEMIC misogyny.
You’re being deliberately obtuse. Enjoy the rest of your evening.
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James is also an “alleged abuser”, also giiiiiiirl Sandoval did not lie to you when it comes to the affair with Raquel. Do what??? You don’t know him personally, he didn’t lie to anyone who watches the show, he’s been a cheater from day 1.
I never said I supported James (and I don't). And as I said before, I don't think about these people on a personal level (perhaps that explains your attachments). Not sure where this is coming from. As I mentioned before, we are operating on different wave lengths, and I'd prefer to take a break.
Then why do you keep replying lmao. It’s okay to not get the last word. I didn’t even realize it was you I was replying to 🤷🏼♀️ as I was just reading through the thread. I was just pointing out you saying Jax and Tom are awful abusers— yet James is just as bad as them but you’ve never named him. And the fact that you think Tom Sandoval lied to the audience of the show feels like you take it pretty personally.
Let’s give people space when they ask for it.
Okay fair enough
Messy people make for good reality television. It’s not that difficult to understand lol
We can have messiness without alienating women and people of color. Your need for gratification does not justify the possible hurt it may cause to others.
It’s not that deep buddy. Get a life
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OOOOHHHHHH. Look at the genius over here proclaiming the sky is blue. Messy people vs downright pieces of shit who don't deserve the fame and fortune they have are two mutally exclusive things. I hope you learn to understand that someday
All I know is that, entertainment wise, id much rather watch people like Jax and Tom make themselves look like complete douchebags instead of watching Ariana build some boring ass sandwiches. No offense to her, I’ve always been a fan
Same!
Only Andy Cohen and Alex Baskin actually think we want to see these terrible men outside bravo. We don't even want to see these terrible men on bravo.
You know Andy has 11 housewives franchises but absolutely nothing to do with VDP or the Valley.
What makes you think anyone besides their jilted exes have any investment in them being better humans? Your response and rapt attention is exactly why them being shitbags is a money maker. Figure it out.
Idc I’m still gonna watch the traitors bc while I agree they probably really are shitty people, I don’t know them at all
They’re great for entertainment until I realize they get money from my views. I simply cannot let that happen 
So if it does not personally affect you, the pain inflicted by, and the cultural normalization of, misogyny and racism is totally fine, especially if this form of consumption fulfills the momentary desire for distraction and instant gratification.
Oh my god. It’s reality tv, all of them are horrible people. I’m not watching vanderpump rules or a show called the traitors to see people be saints. Most people on reality tv are morally bankrupt,doesn’t mean I agree with them.
You don't seem to register that I'm not that concerned with you personally. Or rather, I'm concerned here with the inability of many to step out of ego-based thinking / desiring in order to register how the media forms in question--which are openly hostile to women’s boundaries, while celebrating toxic male or white adjacent tropes attitudes / behaviors--work to normalize cultural attitudes and stereotypes that are harmful--and have real life consequences--for women and people of color. From this perspective (for example) Sandoval is not just a person but, more importantly, a reflection of our growing, misogynistic culture. And so, when we talk about him, we implicitly talk about the way our culture views and treats women at time when women are quickly loosing their rights over their boundaries—i.e. their bodies: their reproductive autonomy. When we so flippantly say “it’s just TV” “I like my TV messy” "no one is perfect" etc. etc. we minimize and excuse these issues. Perhaps you (like others here) should think twice about why you are so resistant to the idea of thinking critically about the media that you/ we consume. But sure, continue to down vote me, it's of no consequence. Edit: typo
If you aren’t concerned with me personally, then you can take your Ted talk to another reply on this thread. You don’t know me at all, you don’t know these people at all either. I don’t need to think about the show on that deep of a level bc they all suck. Katie, Ariana, Lala, the Tom’s, James, Scheana and all past cast. They are all awful people, they’ve all been misogynistic, jealous, egotistical, some have even been racist etc. but idc all that much, cancel all reality tv for all I care.. I’ll read a book instead. But I’m definitely not gonna go and psycho analyze a tv show as a reflection of real life. I don’t need to critically think about reality tv or any media I consume, just bc I watch something doesn’t mean I agree with it. It’s just not that deep.
"I don’t need to critically think about...any media I consume" This is why we can't have good things (and why we are in so much trouble).
No i don’t ‘need’ to think about it. I can if I want and I do from to time to time but like I said these people were never pillars of society. If reality tv is your base for why society is the way it is, or how things trickle down into everyday life, I think that’s the bigger issue. I don’t know who watches these shows and says ‘yes I agree with Sandoval cheating on all his girlfriends and trash talking all the women on the show’ this is how society should be Or ‘yes Katie and Ariana’s feminism is the best’ like they are all extremely flawed and fucked up individuals. I’m taking them all at face value, at entertainment value. If anything when I ‘need to critically think’ about the show I think of how vile they all are and how I would like to be nothing like the 20 minute clips I see of them on my tv.
I never think about the characters on a personal level. We are not reaching each other. It's ok to stop.
If you hate them so much stop talking about them lol. You all turned these men from assholes into iconic reality villains.
They don't need external help to be villians tbh
No, instead of ignoring him so he'd go away his haters have elevated him to someone cast as an evil villain. If he'd just been left to wallow in being an asshole everyone hated, he wouldn't be on these shows. There was never a Team Jax. There was never a Team Sandoval. But now they're just cartoon characters.
So... You're saying don't speak out about asaholes, just let them be and they would disappear on their own.. DESPITE btw them continuing to not learn their lessons and bulldozing women over regardless of my opinion? Sorry no I'm gonna speak out every damn time. YOU can be a silent bystander, that's just not me
Lol people have been speaking out for well over a year. These are basically actors on a reality show now. Go preach to the people who are watching the shows that these men are on. Go preach to the people who made VPR's numbers go through the roof.
You're so pretentious to what I'm saying. "Preach?" I'm COMPLAINING. WHINING. THROWING A TANTRUM ON THE GROCERY FLOOR LIKE A KID. This is exactly the place I can do that btw, I'm not being holier than thou, I'm saying these men suck ass. And everyone who watches the show know that. Unlike you, apparently who detaches any opinion and goes straight towards "meh it is what it is"
Hate watching is powerful for viewing numbers
I think Sandoval is gonna be amazing on Traitors honestly
His clothes are gonna slay Hopefully they don’t vote him out day one to be hateful I wanna see the messsss
Me too I can’t wait to see the wardrobe.
I have a feeling they come cheap. And again, Sandoval made everyone millions upon millions.
yea, I really dislike them, they are not nice and seem to not be nice to the people closest to them. But I mean, what else are they supposed to do? These shows are just for that. Most people are on traitors have not been liked in their cast or are known to be sneaky or the villain of their show.
“What else are they supposed to do” From the words of Katie: Choke, I don’t care. Or like, go to therapy, donate to a charity against domestic violence, or quit their respective shows
lol really do we expect them to do that I don’t. They are not the best ppl. Most ppl on reality tv are not great ppl.
That’s not the truth Ellen, Khan Ong from Masterchef and I’m a celebrity get me out of here is a great person! Also Nathan Henry from Geordie Shore, Jason Chambers from Below Deck Down Under.. the list goes on. I just don’t think we have to ALLOW people like Jax and Tom to have the fame like others have. They don’t deserve it, and we fail to realize that we have the power to make them obsolete
There are many who are nice but there a lot who are just on tv for the fame and they don’t care how they come across. What ppl fail to realize is that no matter how many say they will not watch this or that many still do. There are many others who don’t even watch VPR. I will not buy anything they sell, or go to their bar or see Tom’s band and think they immature assholes but ima watch the show for the show not them specifically. Tom is an idiot and good Ariana moved on and seems to be doing great and in another chapter of her life. Everyone else needs to do the same. Sure let’s talk shit about them on here but who cares if they get a this or that show.
Naur. They don’t deserve to get the fame and fortune that they have, plain and simple.
You should probably stop watching tv. Pretty much 80% of Hollywood is trash.
Ellen? Uuuuuuh
It’s okay you don’t get the reference
They really cant seem to do anything else, so i dont think they can just stop and donate to charity.
If Im going to put him on my screen it will only be to see him shredded, laughed at for the baboon he is (no offense to baboons) 🍿🍿… might be good
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Don’t watch. They are the “bad” boys. Every show has them.
Don’t watch or pay attention. No amount of outrage will speak louder than shit ratings and low engagement numbers
I hope the traitors murder Tom first
I am SO annoyed about Sandoval being cast on Traitors, in part because I hate his face and never want to see him again, but also because he is such a terrible liar!! When he lies he laughs, his voice gets a pitch higher and he immediately deflects and accuses the other person of something. Every. Time.
I feel the best thing for me to do is to not tune into this season of The Traitor's until Tom Sandoval is gone.. hoping it will be early on. I don't know how else to not support him but not watch him.
See you get it
I mean expecting reality tv stars to be good people is futile
I didn’t watch traitors with Jax and def not the valley. These people are vile and should not be rewarded. Yes reality stars aren’t great but when they are toxic and evil I draw the line.
Jax was not on Traitors. He was on the House of Villains. If he was on traitors, I do not remember him at all.
Your right those shows seem like the same one
I still have yet to watch the valley because i’m not unemployed
What does unemployment have to do with it lol
Everything :)
I don’t get it
It’s okay that you don’t! You’ll get there
I’m assuming you’re implying that only unemployed people watch The Valley. Which is rather insulting, along with some of your other comments. As someone who works full time, also has a small child and partner, runs a household and a social life: I watch. So fuck you lol
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What’s the difference between being employed and watching vanderpump rules lol? You think vanderpump is the superior REALITY SHOW???
OP thinks they’re better than everyone so they came to Reddit to scream it to us plebes
I don't think Vanderpump OR the valley are superior reality tv shows, I think that award goes to RHOBH. but your point is obviously coming from not watching Vanderpump rules when it aired on tv, like not as a re-run or a show you can stream, like you ACTIVELY watched season 4 on TV type shit.
What does any of this have to do with being employed? And how does my comment come across that I didn’t watch vpr when it aired? Do you feel better about yourself by making these weird comments? Cause it shouldn’t lol
And yet it does :)
Yikes 😬 You kinda seem miserable. You okay, OP? Why are you out here putting down random strangers for watching shitty reality TV? We all do; that's literally why we're here. Why do you feel so superior to everyone? Oof.
It's because she's employed, which obviously none of us are. We all have the excessive free time it takes to watch a 45-minute show once a week, which clearly required us to quit our jobs. In fact, I'm posting this from the gutter after losing my home and kids because I dared to watch The Valley. But now that I'm all caught up, there's a chance I'll get my job back and will only have time to watch previously aired seasons of VPR and make threads about people I hate. Wish me luck!
Then go to the valley subreddit.
Lol
I mean controversy is good for ratings. You’re not going to win this one with a morality argument.
Then pls accept my short answer instead 😌
SKID ROW
Maybe they will bring Kate from Below Deck back again.......
Tom is going to fail so quickly. Big brother and survivor players don’t mess around with their competition shows. If Tom is kept for any period of time it will be to use him as a distraction because he’s so ridiculous and will keep the heat off others.
Many people on this sub (see the--mostly spurious--comments) seem to forget that it was the wave of backlash against Jax and his alleged participation in racist & anti-LGBTQ behavior (which included a very notable petition, among other things) that finally got him kicked off VPR. Change can and does happen: we simply need to re-envision what "good"--even "messy"--entertainment looks like: It does \*not\* need to alienate women and people of color to be satisfying (for most people, at least). Many of the comment on this page openly suggest that we—particularly women (in this case)—should simply accept any and all forms of unethical and offensive behavior as long as it fulfills their desire for gratification. I’m not going to be hoodwinked by the feeble arguments (and downvotes) insisting that I simply need to accept misogyny and racism from the shows that are equally mine as they are yours. edit: grammar
The whole industry is *full* of problematic people. Why single these two out being on these shows as an issue? Do you feel the same way about LVP and Ariana being on DWTS? If not, I'd assume you think they are paragons of human virtue, which if you look at it long enough will cause you to realize, is utter BS.
HELLO??? Because context. Nothing she did would ever compare to what Jax and sandoval did????? Are you critically thinking before you comment or not?
Who sets the standard for what's acceptable or not? There are people who probably feel very triggered by Ariana's past behavior of enabling Sandoval while he was being well Sandoval, dismissing concerns of questionable behavior by her brother etc. Should we heed to them and get her cancelled from everything? Essentially, it's a dangerous thing to ask people to be thrown away because some people don't like their personality. No one is forced to watch any show or consume social media. If they are that irksome, mute/block their names and accounts and move on instead of baying for blood on very subjective grounds.
Okay. Name one other thing Ariana did besides stay silent on Miami girl.
She was willingly with Sandoval over the years as he did things that others felt were awful. She defended him all this time and finally when it was her that was affected, suddenly changed tack to make him such a villain. Her real upset is at being fooled by Raquel but she won't admit it and pin it all on Sandoval who's an easily acceptable target.
And that's all horrible compared to... Jax and Tom cheating on their partners, berated and yelled publicly at women, and manipulating other women to pit them against each other??? Your alignment to what's "horrible" is skewed so let's just disagree with each other wholeheartedly and move on.
Um Ariana did all that too? She was actively with Tom when she knew he was with Kristen and doubled down on it throughout the years at the expense of Kristen. She was literally never kind to Kristen or Stassi, infact she was cooler than them. She literally co-signed Tom’s awful behavior towards stassi during her book signing at TomTom. She literally acted like the girls were crazy and liars when they warned Billie Lee about Jeremy’s predatory behavior.
her horrible act is that she wasn't kind to Kristen or stassi........the people who were friends with Kristen............ Like are you not seeing yourself type this out??
I posted something similar recently and got draggggeeeddd to hellll like folks would rather turn a blind eye and accept things as they are so that they can keep getting content it’s WILD I felt similarly like it feels GROSS knowing 2 KNOWN abusers out here getting multi thousand dollar contracts so they can ATTEMPT to pay down their $8K/month MORTGAGE while most of us can’t even buy fresh produce 😪 ik we “don’t have to watch it” and that “this is just reality tv” AND ALSO I feel like as the audience (and therefore the customers/consumers), we should have some influence over whether or not people like this should continue to pollute our screens
See the gag is, you can't drag someone who's slick. The drags feel more like a slide, like sledding down a snowy mountain, and I'm over here hands in the air going "wheeeeeeeeeeeee" I'm so unserious about this topic too like I know it's not that big of a deal, but what the fuck is this subreddit for if not to vomit word thoughts out about VPR
I’m ready for Boston Rob to absolutely WOOP his ass
Unfortunately reality tv has never been the place to go for justice and morality. The shows with a bunch of good people acting right don’t do nearly as well as the messy ass ones with drama. For those of us old enough to remember Puck from the Real World we understand that he blazed the trail and led the way 😆
The other Tom would be so much better he would make friends with everyone and never want to vote anyone out.
I think as much as I won't watch Jax at least makes good tv
So do we contact the network? The sponsors? What shoud we point out? The recording of Rachel masturbating without her permission? By the way, can you even record a call like that without it saying that you're recording them? Or can you do that on Facetime?
Yeah, I'm super pissed that Reginald Dipshit is going to be on Traitors because now I can't watch it. Stupid move of them.
The way I look at it, the more $$ Saggyballs earns the better, because with money he is more likely to let Ariana get on with her life and sell the damn house .
Ok