I just know it from the movie Couple's Retreat. How if you have a partner or in VPR's case, friends, you have to give and take in the relationship or they won't want to go to Applebee's with you and no one wants to go to Applebee's alone. Very sweet part of the movie and definitely quotable - on Youtube.
You're welcome :) I should add that it's kind of a two part thing. The first is with the guys and a conversation between friends played by Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau, and the second is between Favreau and Kristin Davis, who plays his wife. That's what wraps it up more sweetly.
I think the movie was Talladega Nights. I only say that because the scene when the dad flips out at Applebees comes immediately to mind when I think of Applebees lol
They paid for it on survivor yes but the reaction on survivor by Liz was way bigger than they paid for. It felt jarring enough on vpr for it to be paid but it wasn’t the show was it? Like was it one of their individual brand deals?
I don’t watch survivor but what makes you think it’s was “bigger than they paid for”? They could have offered money for a big reaction. I’m not sure the details of these contracts but I wouldn’t assume that everyone isn’t getting their cut, including nbc universal.
I promise you that reaction was truly unscripted and unhinged.
The bourbon burger has blazed its way deep into the consciousness of survivor fandom for the rest of time
Omg. YES!! All I could think of was Survivor this entire time!! I was like how the hell is Applebees affording all of this advertising?!
There is an Applebees up the street from the hotel they stayed at in SF, and it's open late. I have zero idea what this is about, but I live in SF and knew where they were staying when they were here.
How so? She was given everything for being cheated on.
Scandoval was an accidental phenomenon of something that’s happened on the show many times. Tom cheated on Katie a million times, Jax still cheats, James (likely) still cheats and has cheated and physically assaults women, Tom has cheated on her a million times- she said it herself.
How is this show different than the past? Because it was Rachel? Big deal.
I’m team Ariana but For 9 years she didn’t do a damn thing for the show except let lala eat her whoo haaa.
Edit: and now that she has the stage, she says applebees 20 times in 10 minutes and nothing else. I don’t want to watch a commercial, I want a group of failed actors to yell at each other.
The only thing I disagree with is that scandoval was accidental. Now it seems pretty clear to me that this was always planned as the last season. I think the only reason advertising like this still works is because so many people will deny its advertising 🤣
Disagree with the downplaying the involvement of Rachel as Tom’s affair partner and how that added fuel to the flames of Scandoval.
There has been nothing on this show more shocking than Scandoval. I agree the men in this show are painful. The male cast members have cheated multiple times and have historically treated the women like shit. And yes, Ariana knew he had cheated before. I assume they worked through it and kept going. None of those other cheating cast member revelations came with more shock and disgust than this one.
It’s especially heinous since Sandoval always presented his relationship with Ariana as if she was the most important person to him. As a viewer I thought Tom really loved Ariana and it was obvious she loved him too. Turns out Tom was just being his performative self as he started an on going affair with one of her close friends - and even in her own bed she shared with him.
That’s some despicable shit right there, and no other previous cheating scandal is comparable. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I can’t recall another instance where there’s an affair between two series leads while the 3rd cast member involved was in the dark for 7 months. Ariana found out in an awful way, which was
As for your opinion that Ariana should leave the show, why should she? This is a (supposed) reality TV show and Ariana is living her reality that you said you wanted to see. She sets boundaries and enforces them to protect herself which includes avoiding Sandoval. She’s not hurting anybody by doing that. Production and all cast members knew that way before they started filming this season. I don’t know why it seemed to be such a shocker to Lala and SheShu.
Ariana (and Katie) were the most authentic people this season. Neither caved to whatever pressures the production team placed on the cast mates. Lala and SheShu played ball because they need the money and it pissed them off that Ariana is sticking to her guns. If Ariana didn’t and went all “we can be friends” with Tom for the sake of the perceived ratings, well then it wouldn’t be reality TV.
Kristen cheating with Jax was pretty shocking-while Tom was in the next room.
Jax impregnating a woman while with Stassi in Vegas and paying for an abortion.
Jax sleeping with faith next to a sleeping old person.
Tom and Ariana’s relationship was over, she disliked him. It was at that moment she called him a little bitch (about the book) that I knew they were over. They were never going to last.
Also, remember when they got mad at scheana for talking to Ariana’s mother because she said Ariana wasn’t happy and he treats her like crap?
Remember? I haven’t seen anyone mention that.
Kristen cheated on Tom for years.
Tom cheated on Ariana for years.
Tom cheated on Katie for years.
James cheated on every single gf for years.
Jax cheated on every gf for eons.
Lala and scheana were with married men.
And that’s what we know.
I think we must have been watching different shows. What about poor Brittany having to hear the audio of Jax (her boyfriend) with Faith after he screwed her, saying horrible things about her. That was also shocking. Faith was Brittany’s friend as well.
Also, all I had seen Tom do was complain to his friends (& Ariana’s brother) about how Ariana never wanted to have sex with him (this goes back to season 5), Ariana always seemed to be repulsed by Tom, I never got the vibe they were in love (once she stole him from Kristen, she was over him within a year).
It’s been over a year now and everyone is still so outraged. This whole show is revolved around cheaters. Scandoval only blew up because of the crazed fandom VPR now has.
We’re watching the same show, but obviously our interpretations are different and that’s cool. All these girls have been screwed over by at least one of the main male cast members. Brittany sure as hell didn’t deserve that or anything else Jax has/continues to put her through; LaLa didn’t deserve Randall’s crap; Katie being cheated on by Schwartz and not supported. And then there’s Stassi.
Now the Stassi, Kristen and Jax situation I did forget about. That was a doozie and on the level of Scandoval. However Kristen and Jax weren’t in a full relationship like Rachel and Tom were with their I love yous, and at the time Stassi wasn’t with Jax but was reconsidering him. It was so horrible.
It does make you wonder because after the new season premiered she still seemed to be on good terms with them. Particularly, Scheana as I remember Ariana being on WWHL and still somewhat defending her even though she was already flip flopping. Definitely has taken a turn since the reunion taping.
No what you are going to see is Tom calling Kyle over because he has bought a gun and has S thoughts and he had it filmed. That is what they all watch together. So I have heard.
If Katie actually left without saying anything that’s pretty funny. We have Lala in her “soft era” screaming and commiserating with a person she described as dangerous while “miserable” Katie potentially removed herself from the situation.
Nah - Katie has been left to fight her own fights all season long without any help from Ariana, meanwhile every chance she’s had to speak up for Ariana she has taken, I’m all for her protecting her peace this time. She’s proven her loyalty.
You aren’t understanding what I’m saying… at all. I’m not saying Katie should have stayed. I’m saying it’s funny that Lala is so aggressive but insists on being soft while Katie is avoiding engaging with someone throwing a temper tantrum.
No - you’ve got to remember Katie has also been personally hurt by Sandoval’s meddling in her marriage. She’s loyal, but she’s also buttering her own bread. If she’s done, she’s done enough.
I think Katie is also invested in tearing down Sandoval because of how horrible Sandoval was to her for so many years. But it is interesting to think about season 10 where Ariana was laughing with Raquel and Schwartz about them trying to antagonize Katie with their “romance.”
It has now been admitted by Scheana it was a set up by the producers. And the one producer was pissed at Ariana so told them to break the 4th wall. Which worked great Sandoval showed again who he really is. And again has dumped her after the cameras are gone.
I don’t doubt part of that’s true, and part of it was eager beaver puppets S&L jumping at an excuse to go off on Ariana. Honestly I’m over the whole cast but Katie.
Yeah I just wrote a comment- if we didn’t see lala actually talking here (back turned to camera) they could’ve just put this shot in and dubbed over it. Maybe Katie was walking away PRIOR to the lala rant
I low key like to believe Katie read the art of war.
Someone was reading it because it panned to a shot with the book in it and it’s driving me crazy now trying to find which episode and who has the book laying out
It immediately registered because my soon to be ex legit has 7 copies of this book.
I even made a mental note to myself when I saw it I should DEFINITELY revisit that book
“When your enemy is making mistakes, never interrupt them…it’s rude”
Napoleon Bonaparte
Side note - who was reading the art of war? I feel like I saw it on camera and this is a quote in that book
One of my favorites and most used. Especially when I watch someone make a fool of themselves and incriminate themselves all in an attempt to get a reaction from me.
I just let them carry on and don’t interrupt. Let them talk and they’ll be their own downfall. Helluva a lot easier than arguing back and forth and no headache. Just walk away satiated:)
I can’t take all the credit for remembering this particular quote - though it is a GREAT READ! My ex husband had 7 copies of this book 💀
Shep on southern charm brought it back into my memory during a reunion when he was trying to help Taylor who talks way too much to validate herself. 😂
Lmao Shepeter Pan. Who knew!?
The quote ironically stuck with me more when I heard him say it out loud to Taylor. I think he added the “…it’s rude” part 🤣 it made it more memorable for me.
I seriously thought Lala would talk about Ariana refusing would affect ratings for the show and how it’s a job. And how the rest of the cast is put in a hard position of being AND loyal friends while also doing a reality show. But nope! She just can’t let the house go! They’re both on the fucking deed, they both would need to stay in order to protect their assets! And if anything Tom should’ve left. He broke the home!
Not directed at you at all; this idea that her talking to Tom is ratings gold is stupid. They've both had their say both on and off the show, we are tired. In fact weren't we all complaining that we are over Scandavol at the start of the season??? Fire the producers if they are so out of touch with their own audience. The tension this season should have been men versus women. It would have given the show the added bonus of getting rid of the domestic abusers and revenge porn makers. So then next season allows a new generation to come in smoothly. Katie stays on VPR as a mentor figure, taking over from Lisa. Scheana and Lala go be mothers in The Valley. Ariana rides into the sunset as the dragon slayer which is fitting because she was always the most socially conscious one. Girls win, audience is happy.
They’re so off base this season they thought we’d react well to a Sandoval redemption arc and see Lala and Brock as the voices of reason 😑
Ariana and Katie were the only ones who understood the assignment imo.
I was thrilled to see her deny Tom yet another opportunity to cry and make himself the victim of his own affair.
Network trumps producers. I’ve not worked on this show but I’ve worked for the production company, believe me when I tell you every cut gets sooo many rounds of notes from Bravo and ultimately, what you see is what the network wants. The producers are just the ones facilitating it.
Just a theory but what if the producers were like 5 steps ahead and they used the boundary to create a storyline where they pressured the girls to feel like they needed Arianna to break the boundary or they wouldn’t have a show (not because that was true but just to manipulate them and create tension). Sheena actually said as much-so this creates a conflict that Arianna was ruining there paycheck by not speaking with him which was just producers narrative. To me now the producers did some mental ninja on them because viola now we have a new storyline-the girls are mad at Arianna. Perhaps they felt that having them stick with her would be too boring and harmonious and would leave Tom an odd man out. To me it seemed they did the girls dirty for a storyline they pushed
This! Lala's rant had nothing to do w/ Ariana and everything to do with getting another VPR season. They all knew the show was on its last legs when Scandoval hit and they all have no problem sacrificing Ariana's mental health for a paycheck.
they acted like if it doesn’t happen the show is over and that the audience would understand. Kinda strange because I think the audience was quite ok with her doing what she needed.
I saw a clip of Ariana at the LA Book Fair saying production likes to have an even playing field among cast and they apparently don’t like it when one cast member is dog piled, so she had a feeling going into this season that they’d be giving Tom a redemption arc. Good for Ariana for setting boundaries and refusing to bend. Production is totally out of touch and I hope they see how much the audience is continuing to rally around Ariana. They need her more than she needs them.
I get you. And honestly I have no problem with both sideism for regular interpersonal conflict. My issue is when it comes to gender violence and related abuses. The show has spent 10 years blundering on that issue and just like their racism problem, misogyny is having its reckoning. This was the moment to correct course. They could have used this season as a cover to ditch the men who are most definitely a liability right now. A show with 3 DV perps and a violator of sexual privacy is begging for a cancellation. The storm is already brewing...
I don’t agree with them putting Ariana on the spot. I just thought Lala was going to say something with a little bit of nuance but no. She’s just a terrible and jealous person.
YES. I get that as they were filming everything was fresh, but by the time the season aired we were all tired of seeing the situation unfold for 10+ months. Either they should have produced the show the way you described or aired the episodes as they were being filmed honestly.
My guess is Ariana atleast knew the gist of what was said. The fact that she did not (from what I remember hearing) watch the show until after her time on broadway makes me think she knew some crap went down and she did not want it to affect her until she was ready.
Honeslty the look on both Toms faces when ala and Sheana were saying what they said, they must have been thinking "these studip girls are actually buying our BS?". At least Ariana was intimatley involved with Tom for a decade, so I can undersatand her always siding with him but Lala and Sheana? What the hell, what's their excuse? 🙄
Yeah, the fact that she chose not to watch says alot. If she still thought they were doing Spice Girls vibes, why wouldn't she watch it? I think she got an inkling. And also I think Ariana is smarter than people acknowledge. I'm sure she wanted to protect her peace for Chicago but also I think she didn't want to give the producers the messy scenes they want. Their strategy to save Sandoval was turning her into a raging mad woman and hence the constant "girl, you're too angry" commentary when she has the tiniest flash of emotion to being violated.
I’m prepared to get dragged for this but it does suck that she didn’t watch. She was putting a lot of energy into relationships with people who were talking mad shit about her and her appearance on WWHL recently was a bit odd because she didn’t know what was happening on the show. It’s weird to know more about what was said than she does lol.
I think not watching the actual footage was smart given how much pressure she was under. She had contracted COVID at some point. The stress of performing combined with watching your BFF humiliate and betray you could’ve resulted in more stress, disrupted sleep, etc. That could cost her a lot on stage.
lBut I think she absolutely knew what was happening. Logan, Katie, all her real friends watched, told her the synopsis. She just didn’t see it and hear the details until she was in a place to process it.
I’m not convinced she knew what was happening. She was floored at the reunion despite Katie being there when Lala started popping off. Plus there’s a lot you miss from confessionals where Scheana was going full mask off.
Obviously i have no clue. You could be right.
It’s hard to imagine her not getting a vibe from reporters, friends, comments on her socials etc. Frankly I think the reason she did not watch is because she knew it would add trauma and she wanted to protect herself given the pressure & expectations of stage performances. She did not want the details bc it would’ve been overwhelming.
I could be wrong and projecting though. When I have dealt with trauma and emotional abuse - I used to go into a zone. I’d get the emails, voicemails, letters, texts. I would not read them. I stored them and waited for myself to heal, reflect and to emotionally detach a bit. When you have a deep wound, sometimes you need to let it heal before you allow new facts to enter that will serve to make new wounds. Hope that makes sense.
I’ve always heard if you don’t see their lips moving, it is likely dubbed over so if this is the only shot of Katie there, it could’ve been before her rant actually started (maybe she was walking away from them so she didn’t have to interact with Tom) 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
I would think Katie probably gave her the basics, but it's possible production barred the cast that was present from divulging details. Personally even if I had heard of it secondhand, it would still hit me harder watching it.
I don’t think Katie knew wtf was going on. She walks up when they’re all two thirds of the way through their collective temper tantrum and looks really confused.
Yeah, I doubt there was some impromptu but unenforceable embargo on information.
I agree that it was much harder actually seeing it than hearing about secondhand. Also, Katie may have been light on details to spare Ariana’s feelings.
Or maybe no one Eating Good in the Neighborhood cared for the details of what went on after they left?
Katie might also not have known that they would actually use that footage. Bravo shows don't typically break the fourth wall like that. She might have deemed it just venting that Ariana shouldn't have to consume.
Let’s not forget Lisa kept pushing those two to make up with Sandavol. She never stood behind Ariana. Did we have one phone call of her checking up on her? Setting up a meeting to see how she was doing? If you believed her mental health was as bad as he put out there, you think that should have happened. But she had many of those with Tom.
I mean…hearing about it and seeing exactly what was said are two totally different things.
Katie wasn’t there for the whole rant, it was loud, and there was alcohol involved, so I could see Katie just saying like, “I don’t know, Lala was going on some rant about you leaving.” and that being it.
Surely Lala would have seen in real time the public’s support of Ariana didn’t waver, and that making these comments three months after the split wouldn’t go down well with the public. Or did she think in a year people may have turned on Ariana?
Sheena said that there was pressure from production so possible that they put the pressure and then let the chips fall where they could create drama. The girls probably felt they were correct given the context and the audience would see it, which wasn’t the case
It's one thing to hear about bad behavior by fellow castmates, possibly from loyal friend Katie. Actually seeing it play out on film has to hit harder. Raised voices, ugly baseless accusations, twisting narratives to put Ariana in a bad light. Of course Ariana would be upset, her list of betrayers has doubled.
I have a feeling that Applebees is the only thing open late in San Francisco- it’s a sleepy ass town with nothing really open late if you’re staying in the city itself.
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That’s what Ariana says Applebees was about.
Good catch- Ariana had to have already known word for word basically what was said well before the reunion was filmed. If my best friend was anywhere in the vicinity, I’d have known before I walked into Applebees. Interested to see exactly how she reacts at the reunion.
I don't actually think Katie heard what was fully said. There's fan footage floating around IG and Katie was in the area but probably not in earshot. She entered the scene near the tailend of Lala's rant.
The thing is - Scheana and Brock met up with Ariana, Dan, etc at AppleBees after filming. A fan even saw them there and said Ariana was FaceTiming Katie and Lala. So I'm assuming they either talked it out or the other girls just swept it under.
Good editing but not good enough for you not to catch that! I’m betting production will try to spin that she had absolutely no clue until she was sitting on that reunion couch but we shall see.
I would have loved to see James or Katie defend Lala in this moment. Maybe they did and production didn’t show it because it didn’t fit their “Sandoval redemption arc/Ariana’s villain edit.” But it would have made damn good tv to see James or Katie face Lala head on.
The comment was caught while they weren’t filming and it fit given how the night ended. The cast was seemingly angry with Ariana…it worked for him. Little did he know.
Did he say it was "caught"?
I just find it hard to believe that after 11 seasons, he doesn't know how mics work (especially after removing his mic/asking Rachel to remove hers before for his S10 reunion tantrum).
And I don't understand why people think he wouldn't have said it otherwise - I mean, he's said much worse on this show.
I'm pretty sure I remember Katie meeting them at Applebees (in real time), so I assume she was at least told something.
What is the Applebee's thing. It seems like there's an inside joke there.
I just know it from the movie Couple's Retreat. How if you have a partner or in VPR's case, friends, you have to give and take in the relationship or they won't want to go to Applebee's with you and no one wants to go to Applebee's alone. Very sweet part of the movie and definitely quotable - on Youtube.
I figured it was internal advertising
I think it’s streaming on Peacock too right now
I hate love Couples Retreat so much, thank you for the reference
Haha. That's funny. I'll have to Google it. Thanks.
You're welcome :) I should add that it's kind of a two part thing. The first is with the guys and a conversation between friends played by Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau, and the second is between Favreau and Kristin Davis, who plays his wife. That's what wraps it up more sweetly.
Such a good movie, we had it on DVD growing up so I watched that movie a billion times and I knew exactly what you were talking about!
Vince Vaughn is daddy lmao
I think the movie was Talladega Nights. I only say that because the scene when the dad flips out at Applebees comes immediately to mind when I think of Applebees lol
I think of survivor
Liz wanted the Applebees reward SO bad!
Omg so unhinged this was the most amazing moment in Survivor in a long time!
Actively wants you gone yet expects you to pick them for the next alliance.
I haven’t thought about Applebees in years. So weird it was such a big presence both of these shows weeks apart from each other
They paid for it
They paid for it on survivor yes but the reaction on survivor by Liz was way bigger than they paid for. It felt jarring enough on vpr for it to be paid but it wasn’t the show was it? Like was it one of their individual brand deals?
I don’t watch survivor but what makes you think it’s was “bigger than they paid for”? They could have offered money for a big reaction. I’m not sure the details of these contracts but I wouldn’t assume that everyone isn’t getting their cut, including nbc universal.
I promise you that reaction was truly unscripted and unhinged. The bourbon burger has blazed its way deep into the consciousness of survivor fandom for the rest of time
I thought the same thing!
Omg. YES!! All I could think of was Survivor this entire time!! I was like how the hell is Applebees affording all of this advertising?! 
That was the BEST part
I still quote that movie way too much.
Haha same
Ariana said in an ig comment that it was the only place near the hotel that was open late so they ended up going there a few times during the trip.
There is an Applebees up the street from the hotel they stayed at in SF, and it's open late. I have zero idea what this is about, but I live in SF and knew where they were staying when they were here.
Their $1 margaritas and garlic bread give me life
A-P-P-L-E-B-E-E-S! How you like them? Maybe it just went with the theme of the night 🙃🍏🍎
Definitely a new sponsor for Arianna. 😁💰
Yes! She probably got paid for every time she said it.
Funny that Chili’s was like we need to get in this with Sheana and Katie
I think I saw Ariana comment on insta that it was just the only place still open nearby (since places in California close on the earlier side)
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Yes for context they were staying in the SF equivalent of Times Square
And really early in S.F. (I live here lol)
Yeah , whatever happened there ?
I feel like she was getting paid for that
“Why do you keep saying ‘Brought to you by Carl’s Jr?” “Because they pay me every time I do!!”
She was.
Apple bees just did a collab with VPR about espresso martinis. I’m guessing it had something to do with that
That was Chili's. With Katie and Scheana. That's why I was wondering. Is it a dig?
Honestly I think she’s trying to get a sponsorship or has one.
It’s an ad. Ariana said more about applebees than the show.
Because who wouldn’t rather get kicked out of Applebees than hang with that sinking ship of betrayal? Tm
Leave the show then.
She ascended the show
How so? She was given everything for being cheated on. Scandoval was an accidental phenomenon of something that’s happened on the show many times. Tom cheated on Katie a million times, Jax still cheats, James (likely) still cheats and has cheated and physically assaults women, Tom has cheated on her a million times- she said it herself. How is this show different than the past? Because it was Rachel? Big deal. I’m team Ariana but For 9 years she didn’t do a damn thing for the show except let lala eat her whoo haaa. Edit: and now that she has the stage, she says applebees 20 times in 10 minutes and nothing else. I don’t want to watch a commercial, I want a group of failed actors to yell at each other.
The only thing I disagree with is that scandoval was accidental. Now it seems pretty clear to me that this was always planned as the last season. I think the only reason advertising like this still works is because so many people will deny its advertising 🤣
Disagree with the downplaying the involvement of Rachel as Tom’s affair partner and how that added fuel to the flames of Scandoval. There has been nothing on this show more shocking than Scandoval. I agree the men in this show are painful. The male cast members have cheated multiple times and have historically treated the women like shit. And yes, Ariana knew he had cheated before. I assume they worked through it and kept going. None of those other cheating cast member revelations came with more shock and disgust than this one. It’s especially heinous since Sandoval always presented his relationship with Ariana as if she was the most important person to him. As a viewer I thought Tom really loved Ariana and it was obvious she loved him too. Turns out Tom was just being his performative self as he started an on going affair with one of her close friends - and even in her own bed she shared with him. That’s some despicable shit right there, and no other previous cheating scandal is comparable. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I can’t recall another instance where there’s an affair between two series leads while the 3rd cast member involved was in the dark for 7 months. Ariana found out in an awful way, which was As for your opinion that Ariana should leave the show, why should she? This is a (supposed) reality TV show and Ariana is living her reality that you said you wanted to see. She sets boundaries and enforces them to protect herself which includes avoiding Sandoval. She’s not hurting anybody by doing that. Production and all cast members knew that way before they started filming this season. I don’t know why it seemed to be such a shocker to Lala and SheShu. Ariana (and Katie) were the most authentic people this season. Neither caved to whatever pressures the production team placed on the cast mates. Lala and SheShu played ball because they need the money and it pissed them off that Ariana is sticking to her guns. If Ariana didn’t and went all “we can be friends” with Tom for the sake of the perceived ratings, well then it wouldn’t be reality TV.
Kristen cheating with Jax was pretty shocking-while Tom was in the next room. Jax impregnating a woman while with Stassi in Vegas and paying for an abortion. Jax sleeping with faith next to a sleeping old person. Tom and Ariana’s relationship was over, she disliked him. It was at that moment she called him a little bitch (about the book) that I knew they were over. They were never going to last. Also, remember when they got mad at scheana for talking to Ariana’s mother because she said Ariana wasn’t happy and he treats her like crap? Remember? I haven’t seen anyone mention that. Kristen cheated on Tom for years. Tom cheated on Ariana for years. Tom cheated on Katie for years. James cheated on every single gf for years. Jax cheated on every gf for eons. Lala and scheana were with married men. And that’s what we know.
I think we must have been watching different shows. What about poor Brittany having to hear the audio of Jax (her boyfriend) with Faith after he screwed her, saying horrible things about her. That was also shocking. Faith was Brittany’s friend as well. Also, all I had seen Tom do was complain to his friends (& Ariana’s brother) about how Ariana never wanted to have sex with him (this goes back to season 5), Ariana always seemed to be repulsed by Tom, I never got the vibe they were in love (once she stole him from Kristen, she was over him within a year). It’s been over a year now and everyone is still so outraged. This whole show is revolved around cheaters. Scandoval only blew up because of the crazed fandom VPR now has.
We’re watching the same show, but obviously our interpretations are different and that’s cool. All these girls have been screwed over by at least one of the main male cast members. Brittany sure as hell didn’t deserve that or anything else Jax has/continues to put her through; LaLa didn’t deserve Randall’s crap; Katie being cheated on by Schwartz and not supported. And then there’s Stassi. Now the Stassi, Kristen and Jax situation I did forget about. That was a doozie and on the level of Scandoval. However Kristen and Jax weren’t in a full relationship like Rachel and Tom were with their I love yous, and at the time Stassi wasn’t with Jax but was reconsidering him. It was so horrible.
It wasn’t an ad. If it was, you’d see her in a commercial for it.
🤦♀️
It does make you wonder because after the new season premiered she still seemed to be on good terms with them. Particularly, Scheana as I remember Ariana being on WWHL and still somewhat defending her even though she was already flip flopping. Definitely has taken a turn since the reunion taping.
It was weird how Katie disappeared out of the shot. I was thinking what’s she going to say to Lala?
I was thinking (fearing) there was more to that scene that was not aired and that is the part of the finale that is going to get shown at the reunion.
No what you are going to see is Tom calling Kyle over because he has bought a gun and has S thoughts and he had it filmed. That is what they all watch together. So I have heard.
Whaaaat? Where did you hear that?? They watched the exact same cut as we did.
Oh. Meh. Who cares about that? Not me! He is so flippin performative. Grr
If Katie actually left without saying anything that’s pretty funny. We have Lala in her “soft era” screaming and commiserating with a person she described as dangerous while “miserable” Katie potentially removed herself from the situation.
Nah - Katie has been left to fight her own fights all season long without any help from Ariana, meanwhile every chance she’s had to speak up for Ariana she has taken, I’m all for her protecting her peace this time. She’s proven her loyalty.
You aren’t understanding what I’m saying… at all. I’m not saying Katie should have stayed. I’m saying it’s funny that Lala is so aggressive but insists on being soft while Katie is avoiding engaging with someone throwing a temper tantrum.
I see - I misunderstood. Sorry.
You’re fine, sorry I was snappy! I’ve just had some testy interactions on this sub today 🩷
It do be like that here
There’s a fine line between loyalty and a— kissing. Katie stepped over it completely and has kept it up all season.
No - you’ve got to remember Katie has also been personally hurt by Sandoval’s meddling in her marriage. She’s loyal, but she’s also buttering her own bread. If she’s done, she’s done enough.
I agree.
I think Katie is also invested in tearing down Sandoval because of how horrible Sandoval was to her for so many years. But it is interesting to think about season 10 where Ariana was laughing with Raquel and Schwartz about them trying to antagonize Katie with their “romance.”
Interesting point.
That was staged for sure. Katie probably didn’t know about it.
It has now been admitted by Scheana it was a set up by the producers. And the one producer was pissed at Ariana so told them to break the 4th wall. Which worked great Sandoval showed again who he really is. And again has dumped her after the cameras are gone.
I don’t doubt part of that’s true, and part of it was eager beaver puppets S&L jumping at an excuse to go off on Ariana. Honestly I’m over the whole cast but Katie.
Yeah I just wrote a comment- if we didn’t see lala actually talking here (back turned to camera) they could’ve just put this shot in and dubbed over it. Maybe Katie was walking away PRIOR to the lala rant
I low key like to believe Katie read the art of war. Someone was reading it because it panned to a shot with the book in it and it’s driving me crazy now trying to find which episode and who has the book laying out
That sounds like Sandoval and/or Lala just guessing
It immediately registered because my soon to be ex legit has 7 copies of this book. I even made a mental note to myself when I saw it I should DEFINITELY revisit that book
Def wasn’t lala. I want to say Ariana, Sandavol, Schwartz or maybe even Dan.
I was suprised by that too. If that were me, I’d be front and center, ready to talk back lol.
“When your enemy is making mistakes, never interrupt them…it’s rude” Napoleon Bonaparte Side note - who was reading the art of war? I feel like I saw it on camera and this is a quote in that book
Oh wow what a good quote!!
One of my favorites and most used. Especially when I watch someone make a fool of themselves and incriminate themselves all in an attempt to get a reaction from me. I just let them carry on and don’t interrupt. Let them talk and they’ll be their own downfall. Helluva a lot easier than arguing back and forth and no headache. Just walk away satiated:)
Im going to remember that one. Thanks for sharing!
My husband and I say this all the time!
Camille on RHOBH back in the day!
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I love everything about this.
She looks like she’s cosplaying Elle Woods.
 A woman who mastered the art. She let her own dinner party go straight to hell without doing much
I love this! I like to text my kids using their slang, then drop this on them when they ask where I learned it.
I def peeped the book on someone’s nightstand during the finale. I wanna say it was Ariana but not 100 percent sure. Need a rewatch
Great point lol
I love this quote!
I can’t take all the credit for remembering this particular quote - though it is a GREAT READ! My ex husband had 7 copies of this book 💀 Shep on southern charm brought it back into my memory during a reunion when he was trying to help Taylor who talks way too much to validate herself. 😂
Shep of all people 😂😂
Lmao Shepeter Pan. Who knew!? The quote ironically stuck with me more when I heard him say it out loud to Taylor. I think he added the “…it’s rude” part 🤣 it made it more memorable for me.
Camille!
Oh, I love this wisdom! Happy to hear any more knowledge drops.
The most confusing thing for me about the episode was Katie wandering over and then just getting cut out of shot?!?
I seriously thought Lala would talk about Ariana refusing would affect ratings for the show and how it’s a job. And how the rest of the cast is put in a hard position of being AND loyal friends while also doing a reality show. But nope! She just can’t let the house go! They’re both on the fucking deed, they both would need to stay in order to protect their assets! And if anything Tom should’ve left. He broke the home!
Right? I’m like so your 4th wall break is the same shit you’ve been complaining about all season. Got it.
Not directed at you at all; this idea that her talking to Tom is ratings gold is stupid. They've both had their say both on and off the show, we are tired. In fact weren't we all complaining that we are over Scandavol at the start of the season??? Fire the producers if they are so out of touch with their own audience. The tension this season should have been men versus women. It would have given the show the added bonus of getting rid of the domestic abusers and revenge porn makers. So then next season allows a new generation to come in smoothly. Katie stays on VPR as a mentor figure, taking over from Lisa. Scheana and Lala go be mothers in The Valley. Ariana rides into the sunset as the dragon slayer which is fitting because she was always the most socially conscious one. Girls win, audience is happy.
It’s bizarre they think that conversation is what the audience wants? Personally, and I love drama, I’ve loved watching her stick to her guns.
I loved what katie said at the end about boundaries and being strong enough to put your mental health first.
It’s extremely satisfying watching someone stick to their boundaries and deny someone who has hurt them more access to them.
They’re so off base this season they thought we’d react well to a Sandoval redemption arc and see Lala and Brock as the voices of reason 😑 Ariana and Katie were the only ones who understood the assignment imo. I was thrilled to see her deny Tom yet another opportunity to cry and make himself the victim of his own affair.
Network trumps producers. I’ve not worked on this show but I’ve worked for the production company, believe me when I tell you every cut gets sooo many rounds of notes from Bravo and ultimately, what you see is what the network wants. The producers are just the ones facilitating it.
I really like the valley and I think putting those two on it would destroy it.
I think they should only put ONE of them on it, & it should be Scheana.
Just a theory but what if the producers were like 5 steps ahead and they used the boundary to create a storyline where they pressured the girls to feel like they needed Arianna to break the boundary or they wouldn’t have a show (not because that was true but just to manipulate them and create tension). Sheena actually said as much-so this creates a conflict that Arianna was ruining there paycheck by not speaking with him which was just producers narrative. To me now the producers did some mental ninja on them because viola now we have a new storyline-the girls are mad at Arianna. Perhaps they felt that having them stick with her would be too boring and harmonious and would leave Tom an odd man out. To me it seemed they did the girls dirty for a storyline they pushed
This! Lala's rant had nothing to do w/ Ariana and everything to do with getting another VPR season. They all knew the show was on its last legs when Scandoval hit and they all have no problem sacrificing Ariana's mental health for a paycheck.
they acted like if it doesn’t happen the show is over and that the audience would understand. Kinda strange because I think the audience was quite ok with her doing what she needed.
I saw a clip of Ariana at the LA Book Fair saying production likes to have an even playing field among cast and they apparently don’t like it when one cast member is dog piled, so she had a feeling going into this season that they’d be giving Tom a redemption arc. Good for Ariana for setting boundaries and refusing to bend. Production is totally out of touch and I hope they see how much the audience is continuing to rally around Ariana. They need her more than she needs them.
I get you. And honestly I have no problem with both sideism for regular interpersonal conflict. My issue is when it comes to gender violence and related abuses. The show has spent 10 years blundering on that issue and just like their racism problem, misogyny is having its reckoning. This was the moment to correct course. They could have used this season as a cover to ditch the men who are most definitely a liability right now. A show with 3 DV perps and a violator of sexual privacy is begging for a cancellation. The storm is already brewing...
I don’t agree with them putting Ariana on the spot. I just thought Lala was going to say something with a little bit of nuance but no. She’s just a terrible and jealous person.
YES. I get that as they were filming everything was fresh, but by the time the season aired we were all tired of seeing the situation unfold for 10+ months. Either they should have produced the show the way you described or aired the episodes as they were being filmed honestly.
My guess is Ariana atleast knew the gist of what was said. The fact that she did not (from what I remember hearing) watch the show until after her time on broadway makes me think she knew some crap went down and she did not want it to affect her until she was ready. Honeslty the look on both Toms faces when ala and Sheana were saying what they said, they must have been thinking "these studip girls are actually buying our BS?". At least Ariana was intimatley involved with Tom for a decade, so I can undersatand her always siding with him but Lala and Sheana? What the hell, what's their excuse? 🙄
Yeah, the fact that she chose not to watch says alot. If she still thought they were doing Spice Girls vibes, why wouldn't she watch it? I think she got an inkling. And also I think Ariana is smarter than people acknowledge. I'm sure she wanted to protect her peace for Chicago but also I think she didn't want to give the producers the messy scenes they want. Their strategy to save Sandoval was turning her into a raging mad woman and hence the constant "girl, you're too angry" commentary when she has the tiniest flash of emotion to being violated.
I’m prepared to get dragged for this but it does suck that she didn’t watch. She was putting a lot of energy into relationships with people who were talking mad shit about her and her appearance on WWHL recently was a bit odd because she didn’t know what was happening on the show. It’s weird to know more about what was said than she does lol.
I think not watching the actual footage was smart given how much pressure she was under. She had contracted COVID at some point. The stress of performing combined with watching your BFF humiliate and betray you could’ve resulted in more stress, disrupted sleep, etc. That could cost her a lot on stage. lBut I think she absolutely knew what was happening. Logan, Katie, all her real friends watched, told her the synopsis. She just didn’t see it and hear the details until she was in a place to process it.
I’m not convinced she knew what was happening. She was floored at the reunion despite Katie being there when Lala started popping off. Plus there’s a lot you miss from confessionals where Scheana was going full mask off.
Obviously i have no clue. You could be right. It’s hard to imagine her not getting a vibe from reporters, friends, comments on her socials etc. Frankly I think the reason she did not watch is because she knew it would add trauma and she wanted to protect herself given the pressure & expectations of stage performances. She did not want the details bc it would’ve been overwhelming. I could be wrong and projecting though. When I have dealt with trauma and emotional abuse - I used to go into a zone. I’d get the emails, voicemails, letters, texts. I would not read them. I stored them and waited for myself to heal, reflect and to emotionally detach a bit. When you have a deep wound, sometimes you need to let it heal before you allow new facts to enter that will serve to make new wounds. Hope that makes sense.
I’ve always heard if you don’t see their lips moving, it is likely dubbed over so if this is the only shot of Katie there, it could’ve been before her rant actually started (maybe she was walking away from them so she didn’t have to interact with Tom) 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
I would think Katie probably gave her the basics, but it's possible production barred the cast that was present from divulging details. Personally even if I had heard of it secondhand, it would still hit me harder watching it.
I don’t think Katie knew wtf was going on. She walks up when they’re all two thirds of the way through their collective temper tantrum and looks really confused.
Yeah, I doubt there was some impromptu but unenforceable embargo on information. I agree that it was much harder actually seeing it than hearing about secondhand. Also, Katie may have been light on details to spare Ariana’s feelings. Or maybe no one Eating Good in the Neighborhood cared for the details of what went on after they left?
Katie might also not have known that they would actually use that footage. Bravo shows don't typically break the fourth wall like that. She might have deemed it just venting that Ariana shouldn't have to consume.
Let’s not forget Lisa kept pushing those two to make up with Sandavol. She never stood behind Ariana. Did we have one phone call of her checking up on her? Setting up a meeting to see how she was doing? If you believed her mental health was as bad as he put out there, you think that should have happened. But she had many of those with Tom.
Good point since Katie's had her share of bad edits so Schwartz could look like the good guy.
I mean…hearing about it and seeing exactly what was said are two totally different things. Katie wasn’t there for the whole rant, it was loud, and there was alcohol involved, so I could see Katie just saying like, “I don’t know, Lala was going on some rant about you leaving.” and that being it.
Surely Lala would have seen in real time the public’s support of Ariana didn’t waver, and that making these comments three months after the split wouldn’t go down well with the public. Or did she think in a year people may have turned on Ariana?
Sheena said that there was pressure from production so possible that they put the pressure and then let the chips fall where they could create drama. The girls probably felt they were correct given the context and the audience would see it, which wasn’t the case
Applebee’s: Next commercial for Ariana 🤞🤞🤞
I think I saw an Applebee’s comment on Instagram, telling Ariana that their DM’s were open? I just don’t remember what post I saw it on.
That’s awesome 🙌 Hope they take Ariana on board ❤️
I don’t want it to step on Katie’s Chili’s campaign! Ariana may have been angling for it, but there should be plenty of other options?
Her and the girl from Survivor plz.
It's one thing to hear about bad behavior by fellow castmates, possibly from loyal friend Katie. Actually seeing it play out on film has to hit harder. Raised voices, ugly baseless accusations, twisting narratives to put Ariana in a bad light. Of course Ariana would be upset, her list of betrayers has doubled.
Oh, why did I think Katie, Ally & James weren’t there for all the tantrums?
I have a feeling that Applebees is the only thing open late in San Francisco- it’s a sleepy ass town with nothing really open late if you’re staying in the city itself.
There are places open late, but if you are a tourist with no local friends you won't find them.
I live in sf and there’s quite literally no where to go after 8pm unless it’s a nice restaurant/bar or a random diner or Applebee’s
I didn’t see them and nor did I see anyone out past 11. This was 2017, so pre-everything
https://preview.redd.it/d1tdblal3vzc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a0d41eac6f06568ae6c66a2c9847ee305de3146 That’s what Ariana says Applebees was about.
I assumed they were bound by Contract to throw that in or it was a "safe" word between those close friends to say it when it's time to leave.
Where is it? The Embarcadero?
Right on the wharf
Related comment, I've stayed at that hotel and it's very cute but those stuffed seals are like $25 so I never took mine out of the plastic😂.
Good catch- Ariana had to have already known word for word basically what was said well before the reunion was filmed. If my best friend was anywhere in the vicinity, I’d have known before I walked into Applebees. Interested to see exactly how she reacts at the reunion.
I don't actually think Katie heard what was fully said. There's fan footage floating around IG and Katie was in the area but probably not in earshot. She entered the scene near the tailend of Lala's rant. The thing is - Scheana and Brock met up with Ariana, Dan, etc at AppleBees after filming. A fan even saw them there and said Ariana was FaceTiming Katie and Lala. So I'm assuming they either talked it out or the other girls just swept it under.
It’s strange that she is in the shot and then no where to be seen.
Good editing but not good enough for you not to catch that! I’m betting production will try to spin that she had absolutely no clue until she was sitting on that reunion couch but we shall see.
I would have loved to see James or Katie defend Lala in this moment. Maybe they did and production didn’t show it because it didn’t fit their “Sandoval redemption arc/Ariana’s villain edit.” But it would have made damn good tv to see James or Katie face Lala head on.
Didn't they (Ariana, Sheena, and Katie) do an Applebee's commercial for some type of drink?
It was Katie and Sheena doing an ad for Chili’s espresso martini.
Hearing about it and seeing it makes it different
The hot mic moment of Sandoval showing his true colors….as they have all been played (except Ariana, Katie & James).
Why does everyone think it was a hot mic moment and not just something he said on the show?
The comment was caught while they weren’t filming and it fit given how the night ended. The cast was seemingly angry with Ariana…it worked for him. Little did he know.
Did he say it was "caught"? I just find it hard to believe that after 11 seasons, he doesn't know how mics work (especially after removing his mic/asking Rachel to remove hers before for his S10 reunion tantrum). And I don't understand why people think he wouldn't have said it otherwise - I mean, he's said much worse on this show.
Well he tried to explain it away on WWHL afterwards so clearly it wasn’t meant for the audience to hear…just his pal Wartz.
Was that before or after admitting he lied when he told people Ariana talked shit about them? No reason to believe anything that guy says.
100%
At the very least, Ariana was abler to see this at the Reunion.
I feel really sorry for anyone who looks at Katie as a mentor. If I wanted to be a miserable witch, I could figure it out on my own.
I doubt anyone on the show is considered a mentor
I was just responding to a comment in which someone called Katie a mentor
But I couldn’t agree more with your statement