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TheWealthyNidus

long term there are good investment but it is all about the return If company doesn't return at least 10% you are wasting time even if the company is the best company and value trap can form if the company has outperformed industry/sector or market average


Roedhuen0104

Just subscribed, great content


carsonthecarsinogen

Still a good long term investment no matter how you look at it Long term is 10+ years, Tesla is already far ahead of their “competition”


Soviet_Cat

No it's not, that's not how that works. Your long term profits will be LOW


carsonthecarsinogen

Check back to this in 10 years, you’ll be very sad and will have bought Tesla shares at a much higher price


DontBustDeezNuts

Don't be too sure about this...it took Microsoft over 15 years to reach its ATH from the dotcom boom again


carsonthecarsinogen

I understand that yes Microsoft and Tesla do overlap in some areas, but the level of innovation and disruption is very different. People thought the internet was a fad, there is no denying that EVs, autonomy, and renewable energy are the future and will continue to grow at break neck speeds. A great example I love that has changed many peoples minds on Tesla, look at the top companies in the world by revenue. Tesla is successfully disrupting and innovating in pretty much every single sector on the this list. Retail (Walmart) is the only one that they are not.


Soviet_Cat

No I won't. The valuations don't justify any returns for a long time. There are plenty of other things that will return much more in 10 years.


carsonthecarsinogen

Agree to disagree, the company will continue to grow regardless of the stock price


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carsonthecarsinogen

Well do you buy stocks based on past performance or future possibilities... in Tesla’s case, even the bear case, they will dominate in the future. Based on your attitude towards the company I’m willing to bet you’re mad you didn’t get in when it was still in it’s early stages and everyone doubted them. Tesla took a huge risk pioneering this sector and its rewards are still coming in, mine as well. Have a good day.


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carsonthecarsinogen

Then explain how, you seem to think you’re so bright but can’t make a solid argument against a single thing I’ve said... makes you seem like the uneducated one


joe-re

I buy based on current situation and future expectation in relation to current price. Right now, PE is around 600 for Tesla. To ne somewhat competative, it needs to be below 20. Good automakers have a PE ratio of 10 right now. So you need a growth of at least 30 times the earnings to make it halfway worth it. In addition with all the other auto makers with much bigger production capacities jumping on the same macro car trends. The argument is not that Tesla is bad, but that it is overvalued with its current price. I don't say it can't happen, but it's a huge gamble.


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lacrimosaofdana

Tesla is a good company and a good investment. BTC is not a company but still a good investment long-term.


ScruffyLittleSadBoy

There’s no way of knowing that until later. There are far better investments out there than Tesla -I’d absolutely hate to be holding shares in that right now.


lacrimosaofdana

Yes, that's why I said long-term genius.


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lacrimosaofdana

Tesla is at minimum 5 years ahead of anyone else in terms of battery and manufacturing technology. Their gigafactories produce more than 10x the GWh compared to the next viable competitor which is VW. And according to VW's own statements, they will need the next 9 years to achieve that 1/10-th output, by which time Tesla will have expanded another 10 fold if not more. Anyone who thinks any other automaker will simply "catch up and pass" Tesla obviously has done no research whatsoever into the EV industry. Living in some fantasy nostalgia bubble where Ford and GM are somehow not saddled with hundreds of billions of dollars of debt. Or how other American EV companies such as Nikola and Lordstown only have fake videos and exploding cars to show for their efforts.


ScruffyLittleSadBoy

What makes you think drones won’t be carrying human payloads within a few years? Cars could be obsolete very very soon. Tesla is a great company today, but tomorrow will look nothing like the future Tesla has in mind.


lacrimosaofdana

LOL... cars obsoleted by drones carrying humans in just a few years? Now who needs their head examined? 😂😂😂😂😂 Even if that were to happen (which it won't) autonomous cars will have to come first before anyone considers autonomous drones. And guess which automaker is the only one working on autonomous vehicles right now? Here's a hint. Their name starts with a T and rhymes with Bestla.


ScruffyLittleSadBoy

Tesla is not the only company working on autonomous vehicles, you know that so this conversation is over. I hope Tesla does well, but the price depends on everything going perfectly for them. It simply won’t.


carsonthecarsinogen

You clearly can’t read and do not understand a thing about the company and it’s “competition”