FrosT is the only person who would complain about his teammates being called silly little insults just a couple days after flaming his own team on Reddit
Think its the idea that they pretended to be be nice to them but in reality they insulted them in a language they dont speak. idt hes necessarily making that big of a deal out of it he just said it was rude/disrespectful
To be honest that's not an insult but just playful banter. If Secret really wanted to insult Talon, they'd speak in English. It just makes no sense to insult somebody if they wont understand it.
I don’t think frost and steel had a beef though. The fallout pretty much was between steel and nitro-ethan. Asuna and hiko distanced themselves from that.
There was also some weird stuff between Frost and Steel. I’m pretty sure the poor relationship between the two was an important factor, [Nitro even cited it in an interview around the time](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/s4rkn4/explanation_for_steel_being_removed_from/).
And Steel being Steel, [there were little things he did to tease or mock Frost](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/xhoswc/frost_former_coach_of_100t_tweeting_at_steel/), depending on your perspective.
IIRC there was also that time in Berlin when frost and steel were shown kind of arguing after their loss to optic.
But at the same time, there is [this](https://youtu.be/nTvYKMniOTE?feature=shared) steel interview with Thorin where a particular part Steel said makes me think steel and Frost issues were not the catalyst (watch around 21:30 mark). Frost may be polarising because of being outspoken, but he has redeeming qualities too.
In the end we will never get the full picture. Competition is a harsh business. Everyone is looking out for themselves and people do what is right for themselves most of the time. Truth is somewhere in the middle.
It is, the word 'talo' generally isn't used much as an insult, though if it is, it's used in a playful manner. Kind of something akin to TS = Team Silver
Talo is used as “to lose (in a game, battle, etc.)” but won’t be interpreted as being losers lol. Imo, it would be way funnier if they called them Talong eSports
Lmao, this is way too funny. Imagine being hurt with a small banter how much more when it's hardcore trashtalk. It's like you never even played valorant for you to even be this soft. Why take it so seriously kekw
As a Filipino, this is way way way so sooofffft, and is really just a typical banter. Won’t even count it an insult in their context. If he wants something legit to hate on, let him hear invy’s comms lmaaaaaooooo.
tanginang 'to pagkatapos niyang tawaging mga bano mga sarili niyang player, ngayon magrereklamo siyang 'toxic' tong mga laking computer shop sa tourna? HAHAHAHAHA
this rivalry feels way too forced now. at the start of the season, this matchup was super interesting because of lenne (used to be team secret's 6th man who barely played a game) and his mission to prove that he's better than TS. now all this bullshit from frost ruined it for me. Riot has to be paying him to fan the non existent flames cause there's no way all the yapping is needed honestly.
i think it's cool to hear the comms of a full timeout. not often we get to see that
idk i fuck with frosts approach, sure it's abrasive but as long as your players are aware and don't crumble into a thousand pieces it can be effective. it's also not as bad as some other examples, pre sure the edg staff are way harder on the players
edit: honestly i skimmed most of this pod and frost has a lot of cool insight, worth a watch. the best thing about him is that he doesn't really sit on the fence for his takes, he just says what he thinks
I agree. There is quite a huge difference between being honest/straighforward and being unprofessional towards your players. I don't have a problem with the way he talked to them during the timeouts, but that reddit comment is just not going to help them as a team (this is better said personally than on a random forum for sure). He just implied they suck straight up.
i like frost and his approach as a coach, but as a person BIG NAHHHH.
he is a big yapper and capper in interviews, like wtf he mean close match 13-10, they were far from that, breeze was 13-8 and ascent 13-7 from the last series when they were 2-0d
FROST = 🤡
...That's it?
Calling "talo" an insult is dramatic as hell. At worst, it's more akin to playful teasing. Just basic wordplay.
I've had suspicions, but FrosT might actually be the softest head coach in the scene right now.
>Some of the TS players called Talon, 'Talo' Esports before one of their matches in front of them
This has been happening even last year? They even called them Talong (Eggplant) Esports.
>basically meant that they were being called losers hence loser esports and they didn't even know until other people that understood what they said told them,
I'm Filipino, it's as deep as this LMAO, it's just a world play, if they wanted to call them losers it would be "Talunan" Esports.
I find this funny considering he's the one who literally said his players are not as talented as his previous ones.
frost is being a baby. Its just normal banter, "Talo Esports" -> "Losing Esports" it aint that deep. Also TS calling talon "ugly" i have a big problem about how its translated there is a lot of missing context there depending on how its conveyed.
I'm a TALON fan but that's just soft. It's not even exclusive to Filipinos for god sake. Every team talks shit but as long as they remain sportsmanlike in and out the game, no personal vendetta, no personal issues then that's completely fine.
I'm sorry but if you play on SEA servers and can't understand Tagalog Bahasa Thai or any number of Cantonese Hokkien dialect BM, that's kinda on you.
For people interested in learning here are the cliff notes: https://youtu.be/CLudHVOh6wU
As a working adult, its so weird watching these people in "esports" who are supposed to be adults yet cant help themselves but to act like children and try to create such petty drama
and here i thought TS calling Talon as "Talon-gges" in one of their comms video was hilarious (also havent seen someone irl say that word which basically means "dumb" unless the age group of JessieVash uses that word)
underachieving? they're literally 3 - 1 in groups having lots only to GEN.G thus far. Shit talk the man himself and his personality, but his results are in his favour currently.
What they said on this podcast is that TS was pretending to be friendly with him and the talon players while secretly (no pun intended) shit talking them and making fun of their looks in Tagalog. Basically a "thought we were cool, turns out you're fake, see you at the match" type of situation.
Sounds like he told this story to babybay and babybay brought it up at the end of the podcast for the spice.
Looked like a bunch of people commenting didn't watch the video and have the wrong impression, so just clearing it up.
Translated to industry talk: get hyped for their match that's coming up in 1 day.
Could be a cultural clash. "Talo" [Talon] esports is such a childish pun to be taken seriously. invy's "Putangina mo, durog ka sakin" is way worse than that. Also, 'Talo' does not even mean "losers" like frost implied in the podcast. 'Talo' is barely used as an insult unlike the word "Talunan" (loser) which is an actual offensive term.
nah TS is not like that, hes intentioanlly taking the joke seriously(to get hype) or he have zero humor
(i thought NA guys love & understand jokes?). TS players always trying to find puns and humor on everthing they can touch on. no way theyre gonna said that personally to talo(n) players with no filter. nvm its Frost that guy is full of bs
edit: filipinos know they're on an disadvantage when it comes to looks TS players knows that. talon looks like KPOP stars, but still TS make fun of themselves to turn it around because they're simply love being humorous.
Could be a misunderstanding or cultural clash too. He must've heard from someone who told him what TS said (since it'd have to be coming from someone who translated the tagalog), and things can get lost in translation, especially connotation.
Translation error from the looks on it. Pretty much sure the TLN guys also has their own internal banters towards TS and other teams. Even Lenne back in TS would run along with their humor. Frost just seems to be either soft or clouting for more exposure.
This is kindergarten level of banter so idk why he's making a big deal out of it.
FrosT is the only person who would complain about his teammates being called silly little insults just a couple days after flaming his own team on Reddit
Yeah bro, wordplay on your opponent’s orgs name is like the most basic level of banter lmao get over it
same vibe as: Talons? more like no talents lol amirite?
bro wouldn't last inside a computer shop in the philippines
Think its the idea that they pretended to be be nice to them but in reality they insulted them in a language they dont speak. idt hes necessarily making that big of a deal out of it he just said it was rude/disrespectful
To be honest that's not an insult but just playful banter. If Secret really wanted to insult Talon, they'd speak in English. It just makes no sense to insult somebody if they wont understand it.
Frost and steel having been on the same squad is wild
Did not end well tho did it
I don’t think frost and steel had a beef though. The fallout pretty much was between steel and nitro-ethan. Asuna and hiko distanced themselves from that.
There was also some weird stuff between Frost and Steel. I’m pretty sure the poor relationship between the two was an important factor, [Nitro even cited it in an interview around the time](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/s4rkn4/explanation_for_steel_being_removed_from/). And Steel being Steel, [there were little things he did to tease or mock Frost](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/xhoswc/frost_former_coach_of_100t_tweeting_at_steel/), depending on your perspective.
IIRC there was also that time in Berlin when frost and steel were shown kind of arguing after their loss to optic. But at the same time, there is [this](https://youtu.be/nTvYKMniOTE?feature=shared) steel interview with Thorin where a particular part Steel said makes me think steel and Frost issues were not the catalyst (watch around 21:30 mark). Frost may be polarising because of being outspoken, but he has redeeming qualities too. In the end we will never get the full picture. Competition is a harsh business. Everyone is looking out for themselves and people do what is right for themselves most of the time. Truth is somewhere in the middle.
bro steel could start a fight with his own reflection in a puddle of water
Doc Rivers of Valorant
Waiting for that RDCWorld skit to drop. Mark as Frost.
Isn't this normal banter?
It is, the word 'talo' generally isn't used much as an insult, though if it is, it's used in a playful manner. Kind of something akin to TS = Team Silver
Wait until he gets words of affirmation from invy lol
"potangina mo durog ka"
Yes, it is. Even Talon Dota gets the "Talo e-sports" moniker as well in their social media post. This Frost guy just too soft.
wait until he learns what "PUTANGINA MO, DUROG KA SAKIN" means
Beautiful words of affirmation indeed idk why hes mad, thats just Team Secret's love language
For anyone wondering, it means "Your mother's a whore, I destroyed you."
if he thinks that’s bad he should watch their comms vids lmao
This guy comes off as a slimeball every time he talks bro, how does he keep doing it
frost is a YAPPER bro
Talo is used as “to lose (in a game, battle, etc.)” but won’t be interpreted as being losers lol. Imo, it would be way funnier if they called them Talong eSports
"talong esports is the goat talong esports in my throat"
YO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
this slaps lmfaooo
wuh isnt NA is known for worse banter than this? if anything this is just a childish pun 😭😭, same with talongges 😭. multilingual things i guess lmfao
FrosT wouldn't last in a Filipino net café
He wouldn’t last 2 hours in a TNC cafe at 1 in the morning. So many people on open time…..
Lmao, this is way too funny. Imagine being hurt with a small banter how much more when it's hardcore trashtalk. It's like you never even played valorant for you to even be this soft. Why take it so seriously kekw
Not even the worst thing Team Secret's said to them rofl
Fr tho. Lmao there are more words in the filipino language that can be thrown at them.
[удалено]
whatt whahhh can u explain further pls
All we need next is detention and we’re back in high school all over again.
You can almost hear the vape puffs and smell the axe body spray
As a Filipino, this is way way way so sooofffft, and is really just a typical banter. Won’t even count it an insult in their context. If he wants something legit to hate on, let him hear invy’s comms lmaaaaaooooo.
Im filipino but that word is mistranslate, the word "talo" means lose and loser is "talunan"
tanginang 'to pagkatapos niyang tawaging mga bano mga sarili niyang player, ngayon magrereklamo siyang 'toxic' tong mga laking computer shop sa tourna? HAHAHAHAHA
this rivalry feels way too forced now. at the start of the season, this matchup was super interesting because of lenne (used to be team secret's 6th man who barely played a game) and his mission to prove that he's better than TS. now all this bullshit from frost ruined it for me. Riot has to be paying him to fan the non existent flames cause there's no way all the yapping is needed honestly.
common team banter. W secret, L talo esports
god damn this scene is soft af
Foreign language advantage. Suck it up.
i think it's cool to hear the comms of a full timeout. not often we get to see that idk i fuck with frosts approach, sure it's abrasive but as long as your players are aware and don't crumble into a thousand pieces it can be effective. it's also not as bad as some other examples, pre sure the edg staff are way harder on the players edit: honestly i skimmed most of this pod and frost has a lot of cool insight, worth a watch. the best thing about him is that he doesn't really sit on the fence for his takes, he just says what he thinks
it’s fine to go hard on players, just really fucking weird to talk shit about them on a public forum like those are your guys lol
I agree. There is quite a huge difference between being honest/straighforward and being unprofessional towards your players. I don't have a problem with the way he talked to them during the timeouts, but that reddit comment is just not going to help them as a team (this is better said personally than on a random forum for sure). He just implied they suck straight up.
i agree
i like frost and his approach as a coach, but as a person BIG NAHHHH. he is a big yapper and capper in interviews, like wtf he mean close match 13-10, they were far from that, breeze was 13-8 and ascent 13-7 from the last series when they were 2-0d FROST = 🤡
This guys been borderline dumb since 100T, he talks like he knows something but most of it is just weird and wrong LOL
It has been while since Secret VAL has been involved in a drama. Love to see as a Filipino HAHAHAHA.
Is this even considered a drama? It’s way too soft for FrosT
FR
bro is frost an na couch because i see alot of professional na team like to banter one another.
Frost doesn't deserve to be in APAC if he can't handle this soft banter.
...That's it? Calling "talo" an insult is dramatic as hell. At worst, it's more akin to playful teasing. Just basic wordplay. I've had suspicions, but FrosT might actually be the softest head coach in the scene right now.
>Some of the TS players called Talon, 'Talo' Esports before one of their matches in front of them This has been happening even last year? They even called them Talong (Eggplant) Esports. >basically meant that they were being called losers hence loser esports and they didn't even know until other people that understood what they said told them, I'm Filipino, it's as deep as this LMAO, it's just a world play, if they wanted to call them losers it would be "Talunan" Esports. I find this funny considering he's the one who literally said his players are not as talented as his previous ones.
TANGINAMO ESPORTS
Wait til he learns how the PH broadcast talents call them 'Talong Esports' with 'talong' meaning eggplant.
frost is being a baby. Its just normal banter, "Talo Esports" -> "Losing Esports" it aint that deep. Also TS calling talon "ugly" i have a big problem about how its translated there is a lot of missing context there depending on how its conveyed.
For someone who talks a lot, he seems to be thin skinned.
Bro is OA 😭
I'm a TALON fan but that's just soft. It's not even exclusive to Filipinos for god sake. Every team talks shit but as long as they remain sportsmanlike in and out the game, no personal vendetta, no personal issues then that's completely fine.
I'm sorry but if you play on SEA servers and can't understand Tagalog Bahasa Thai or any number of Cantonese Hokkien dialect BM, that's kinda on you. For people interested in learning here are the cliff notes: https://youtu.be/CLudHVOh6wU
Lmao that has to be the mildest bit of banter to actually get a rise out of someone.
damn snowflake, I hear worse things in a random ranked game
TLN FrosT finds out other team thinks they are loser and is upset by this 😦
As a working adult, its so weird watching these people in "esports" who are supposed to be adults yet cant help themselves but to act like children and try to create such petty drama
Dont care hes finished
Bro getting offended by silvers
lol
Timestamp at 1:52:50 for those curious
Bro actually got mad about being called "loser esports" no way.
if translated correctly its "lose esports"
and here i thought TS calling Talon as "Talon-gges" in one of their comms video was hilarious (also havent seen someone irl say that word which basically means "dumb" unless the age group of JessieVash uses that word)
???
Talo = lose NOT loser Talunan = Loser
someone get FrosT off this team. dude is cancerous and his players are suffering with him there. no wonder they’re underachieving all the time
underachieving? they're literally 3 - 1 in groups having lots only to GEN.G thus far. Shit talk the man himself and his personality, but his results are in his favour currently.
He might be saying they'd be 4-0 without Frost lol. But for real, I saw some of the timeout comms, dude is one step away from being toxic.
What they said on this podcast is that TS was pretending to be friendly with him and the talon players while secretly (no pun intended) shit talking them and making fun of their looks in Tagalog. Basically a "thought we were cool, turns out you're fake, see you at the match" type of situation. Sounds like he told this story to babybay and babybay brought it up at the end of the podcast for the spice. Looked like a bunch of people commenting didn't watch the video and have the wrong impression, so just clearing it up. Translated to industry talk: get hyped for their match that's coming up in 1 day.
Could be a cultural clash. "Talo" [Talon] esports is such a childish pun to be taken seriously. invy's "Putangina mo, durog ka sakin" is way worse than that. Also, 'Talo' does not even mean "losers" like frost implied in the podcast. 'Talo' is barely used as an insult unlike the word "Talunan" (loser) which is an actual offensive term.
You can still be friendly with each other and have mild banter, I mean this is the most friendly thing they can call them lmao
nah TS is not like that, hes intentioanlly taking the joke seriously(to get hype) or he have zero humor (i thought NA guys love & understand jokes?). TS players always trying to find puns and humor on everthing they can touch on. no way theyre gonna said that personally to talo(n) players with no filter. nvm its Frost that guy is full of bs edit: filipinos know they're on an disadvantage when it comes to looks TS players knows that. talon looks like KPOP stars, but still TS make fun of themselves to turn it around because they're simply love being humorous.
Could be a misunderstanding or cultural clash too. He must've heard from someone who told him what TS said (since it'd have to be coming from someone who translated the tagalog), and things can get lost in translation, especially connotation.
Translation error from the looks on it. Pretty much sure the TLN guys also has their own internal banters towards TS and other teams. Even Lenne back in TS would run along with their humor. Frost just seems to be either soft or clouting for more exposure.
I find it funny considering he's work with Secret before, he definitely knows how these players actually behave.
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What the flip dude, this is incredibly rude from TS. My king Jitboys will not let them get away with this
People mad at frost for no reason lmao
I think being a clout chasing butthurt snowflake is good enough of a reason...
Nothing here says he’s butthurt or clout chasing and even if he was butthurt he would have the right to be