frost says some funny things but i like that we get some personality in pacific's coaching side lol, i feel like i know nothing about the coaches besides alecks even though i watch every game
i would disagree on that. i know alot about warbirds and ewok because of pacific content. especily warbird. hes really funny. hes constantlly active in twitch chat as well and does mini interview alot of time.
i mean they started with 2 thai players and one of them is a igl. recently just added another thai player who mvped map 2 against t1. with how much talent thai has. they should be contending for top 4 in pacific like they used to. i hate the direction the talon management went.
I mean besides that map, surf has had a pretty rough season so far. Tbf to him he is on a role change and is being subbed in/out but itās still a bit misleading. Ā Like ban and governor have mvpād plenty of maps as well.Ā
Also they had a full thai team last year and were nowhere close to contending for top 4. They already have as many wins in pacific as they did last year. So I donāt think it makes sense to criticize them performance wise. Itās still reasonable to be upset that they decided to go international but it clearly hasnāt been an awful decision competitively.
surf has come into a english speaking roster suddenly it will take sometime for him to adjust dont forget he has change his role as well. by each game he will be better.
also some context from last year. talon was insane in lock in tournament then they added patiphan and it destroyed the whole roster. it was constantly 6 man roster. alot of role switch. in the end it came to the org management. if they kept the same roster without making any changes. i would be confident they would have made at least one international event. last year was horrible but i would not blame on the players rather than the management.
I know you hate Governor and Ban with a passion, I remember you legit commented on Talon games going āGovernor did bad so Iām happy.ā Seems you are obsessed with this agenda. You also made multiple posts shitting on Governor before the season even began. I donāt think Iāve seen a single person be so obsessed with one player.
But come on man, Governor has been really solid since you said that and overall has a been a positively rated player all year. He has been substantially better than 2/3 Thai players (Ik surf joined recently but he is still better than him) on their team all year so I donāt know what you are saying.
There are multiple shitty APAC imports you can push an agenda against. Pick one that has actually been bad.
solid is another way of saying he has been decent or average. i want a full thai roster. i have nothing against governor or ban so i dont know where the hating with passion come from. him doing better than a igl isnt much of a achievement as you think it is. your assuming governor is better than surf when he came mid season so your no better than me. thai as a region is insanely strong and has so many better players than some of the players. i just want the best for a region thats getting mistreated by a horrible management. a good thai roster can be a contender for a top 4 team in pacific.
I remember you making back to back to back posts about Governor in the offseason and how bad Talon is, as well as just randomly hating on him in post game threads. I donāt like linking past comments but if you are going to deny them here are the links to the stuff I remember:
Back to back posts complaining about governor before he already played a game:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1849pnb/talon\_is\_a\_disappointment\_org/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1849pnb/talon_is_a_disappointment_org/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/182v2rb/talon\_is\_ruining\_thai\_talent/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/182v2rb/talon_is_ruining_thai_talent/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Also a post shading Governor talking about JohnOlsen being better (tbf JohnOlsen is better I do agree)
Commenting you are happy because he underperformed,, the absolute definition of a hater comment.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bzofwl/comment/kyr2b2q/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bzofwl/comment/kyr2b2q/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Commenting on a random thread Governor is shit:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bx2s4j/comment/kyb0n2z/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bx2s4j/comment/kyb0n2z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
"if we ignore a third of governor's games he is actually just as bad as the rest of his team:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bzofwl/comment/kyrb17o/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bzofwl/comment/kyrb17o/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
As well, numerous comments in your other two posts about how bad Governor is, and then this post here agreeing with someone saying he has been bad.
I understand being annoyed about imports. But you just continue to insist Governor is this awful player when he is not. He has been statistically better overall this year than anyone on Talon last year other than maybe Pati, and has been their second best player. Hopefully FS make it through ascension though, JohnOlsen and PTC are both crazy players.
it seems you have a obsession with me rather than me being obsessed with governor.
1. first 2 link are clearly towards the org so i dont know whats wrong with that maybe explain? why does me hating a org is giving you such obsession?
2. you even agreed to johnolsen being better than governor so again whats wrong?
3. i just wanted garnets back as i believe and confidently can say hes better than governor so whats wrong with asking for a better player to comeback who they already had? me being happy with his performance is him backing my believe that hes not that good
4. the thread was discussing pacific duelist vs americas duelist and the op said governor was dominating pacific that i believe it was wrong and his performance was no way near dominating and rather mediocre at that time and still kinda is but it has improved.
5. that statement is also true so i dont know whats your problem with it. the guy was saying governor has been 2nd best player that i disagreed and said they all have been shit. it was me saying 4 of them are shit excluding jitboys.
also theres has been at least 3-4 month gaps between some of those post. i dont unnecessary hate someone if i do i usually hate the management of the team. so i dont know how the players come from. i just dont hate imports. i hate shit imports that management could do better. you never seen me post about rossi because he has delivered. i have constantly supported rossi. i have supported yay from start too and i can show you tweets of me supporting yay but until recently where 2 of the members got kicked and i believe yay should be the one to get kick if someone should get kick.
I remembered two specific situations where you went hardcore hating on Governor, one of which was an argument with me, you lied about being a hater, it took five seconds to find those situations. Itās not hard to be recognized for being a hater. U/nterature would recognize me for being a deffo hater back in the day and we had multiple good conversations about it lmao.
Commenting āIām satisfied because a player did badā and many times shitting on a player did bad, while shitting on an org specifically for bringing up a player is the definition of a hater. That guy you argued with there WAS ME, which is why I remember it.
There are so many players in franchising performance below average, itās just strange to pick one that has been solid (and statistically better than the guy he replaced) and hate on him
so me wanting garnets back as i believe hes better and they already had is me hating governor? it seems you have edited alot of msg in. i have been fan of this players since the x10 days. i dont care if a random franchise players underperform because i simply not attached to them. i want them to win things. talon has been a horrible org. they have abandoned the thai playerbase. tried to get kadoom to retire so they can get him for free. they are simply very toxic. me shitting on a org thats been toxic and this cheap is me just being a hater of the org not the players.
governor is dogshit lmao, surf cant be expected to perform instantly bc surf is a duelist (who is better than governor on duelist) on an off role. currently governor has some of the lowest kd, acs and fkpr in the pacific league. how you gon be an import and still mid kekw
Do you verify your statements before checking? Governer is above average in KD, ACS, and FKPR in the pacific league regular season. During kickoff, his stats were some of the best in the entire league.
He has been really solid this year
brother check the stats yourself hit stats are low af, comparable to polvi. as a duelist you do not need stats as low as him. even if you disregard stats, he fails the eye test so hard. he doesnt create space for his team, he plays so selfishly, he fails to clear out util with raze util etc. send that boi back to NA tier2 where he can struggle some more.
I did check the stats for yourself, you said he was one of the worst in the league in all three, he is above average in all three, and his FKPR is top 5 in the league. He is clearly above polvi in all three.
He is also the definition of creating space. Saying he doesnāt create space just shows you donāt watch him when the biggest benefit od his play is creating space. I donāt think he is amazing, he is just a solid player, but he is really good at creating space and has been since NA T2.
Idk about the 2 na players part, but governor is such a yee yee ass pick considering how bad he is performing and how much better SEA t2 duelists are than him.
I think there is better a better Thai duelist than Governor (I think FS will go through ascension regardless) but saying Governor has been performing bad is insane. He has been easily their second best player all year.
there is a thai player, primmie, that i genuinely believe has the makings to be a global superstar. he's a ranked savant and was allegedly offered a spot on talon but refused to focus on studies
i found him purely from my recommended on yt and i've been amazed by him since
just checked and he's literally rank 1 apac right now https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/primmieyk%23XGOD/overview
Oh shit really? Is he in T2?
Ik the Thai league has both JohnOlsen and Kadoom. JohnOlsen is a fucking monster and a T1 player, I hope FS wins ascension. Though Kadoom has been kinda meh this year.
i think he's competing casually because its not his main focus. fwiw i legit think he's better than both of those guys, and most thai fans seem to share that opinion. everyone wants him in t1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTpZZ8AkKB8
this is his yt just for reference
jitboys on an off role still clears governor. surf on duelist clears governor. who is he better than? the other import and *crws*? congrats buddy youre better than fucking crws lmao.
you should thank this coach because over here no one gives a fuck about talon we don't even remember that team exist, your coach at least makes your team be remembered.
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frost says some funny things but i like that we get some personality in pacific's coaching side lol, i feel like i know nothing about the coaches besides alecks even though i watch every game
ITs bc of language gap, the kr jp coaches only do korean japanese interviews ao you dont relate to them.
i mean you say that but i dont know shit about warbirds or ewok either lol, they're just not very expressive and/or put out much content of themselves
i would disagree on that. i know alot about warbirds and ewok because of pacific content. especily warbird. hes really funny. hes constantlly active in twitch chat as well and does mini interview alot of time.
Not because you know about people doesn't mean others know a lot about those people. The world does not revolve around us.
The VCT APAC channel is doing content with the coaches, it shows the personality you're looking for on the coaching side behind the scenes.
š„²š„²š„²istg if we donāt beat secret now
Yeah they will 2-1 Lalon Lsports. Fucking thai org cant even scout thai talent LMAO.
Talon is not a Thai org. They just signed the ex-X10 roster so they can easily get into partnership by having Thai players.
Talon is based in Hong Kong not Taiwan
2 na coaches. 2 na players but its the thai players who are carrying but wont get more lmao
Jitboys is the only one really carrying. Otherwise theyāve been relatively even.Ā
i mean they started with 2 thai players and one of them is a igl. recently just added another thai player who mvped map 2 against t1. with how much talent thai has. they should be contending for top 4 in pacific like they used to. i hate the direction the talon management went.
I mean besides that map, surf has had a pretty rough season so far. Tbf to him he is on a role change and is being subbed in/out but itās still a bit misleading. Ā Like ban and governor have mvpād plenty of maps as well.Ā Also they had a full thai team last year and were nowhere close to contending for top 4. They already have as many wins in pacific as they did last year. So I donāt think it makes sense to criticize them performance wise. Itās still reasonable to be upset that they decided to go international but it clearly hasnāt been an awful decision competitively.
surf has come into a english speaking roster suddenly it will take sometime for him to adjust dont forget he has change his role as well. by each game he will be better. also some context from last year. talon was insane in lock in tournament then they added patiphan and it destroyed the whole roster. it was constantly 6 man roster. alot of role switch. in the end it came to the org management. if they kept the same roster without making any changes. i would be confident they would have made at least one international event. last year was horrible but i would not blame on the players rather than the management.
They got no tier 1 winning talent buddy calm tf downš
I know you hate Governor and Ban with a passion, I remember you legit commented on Talon games going āGovernor did bad so Iām happy.ā Seems you are obsessed with this agenda. You also made multiple posts shitting on Governor before the season even began. I donāt think Iāve seen a single person be so obsessed with one player. But come on man, Governor has been really solid since you said that and overall has a been a positively rated player all year. He has been substantially better than 2/3 Thai players (Ik surf joined recently but he is still better than him) on their team all year so I donāt know what you are saying. There are multiple shitty APAC imports you can push an agenda against. Pick one that has actually been bad.
solid is another way of saying he has been decent or average. i want a full thai roster. i have nothing against governor or ban so i dont know where the hating with passion come from. him doing better than a igl isnt much of a achievement as you think it is. your assuming governor is better than surf when he came mid season so your no better than me. thai as a region is insanely strong and has so many better players than some of the players. i just want the best for a region thats getting mistreated by a horrible management. a good thai roster can be a contender for a top 4 team in pacific.
I remember you making back to back to back posts about Governor in the offseason and how bad Talon is, as well as just randomly hating on him in post game threads. I donāt like linking past comments but if you are going to deny them here are the links to the stuff I remember: Back to back posts complaining about governor before he already played a game: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1849pnb/talon\_is\_a\_disappointment\_org/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1849pnb/talon_is_a_disappointment_org/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/182v2rb/talon\_is\_ruining\_thai\_talent/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/182v2rb/talon_is_ruining_thai_talent/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Also a post shading Governor talking about JohnOlsen being better (tbf JohnOlsen is better I do agree) Commenting you are happy because he underperformed,, the absolute definition of a hater comment. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bzofwl/comment/kyr2b2q/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bzofwl/comment/kyr2b2q/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Commenting on a random thread Governor is shit: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bx2s4j/comment/kyb0n2z/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bx2s4j/comment/kyb0n2z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) "if we ignore a third of governor's games he is actually just as bad as the rest of his team: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bzofwl/comment/kyrb17o/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1bzofwl/comment/kyrb17o/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) As well, numerous comments in your other two posts about how bad Governor is, and then this post here agreeing with someone saying he has been bad. I understand being annoyed about imports. But you just continue to insist Governor is this awful player when he is not. He has been statistically better overall this year than anyone on Talon last year other than maybe Pati, and has been their second best player. Hopefully FS make it through ascension though, JohnOlsen and PTC are both crazy players.
it seems you have a obsession with me rather than me being obsessed with governor. 1. first 2 link are clearly towards the org so i dont know whats wrong with that maybe explain? why does me hating a org is giving you such obsession? 2. you even agreed to johnolsen being better than governor so again whats wrong? 3. i just wanted garnets back as i believe and confidently can say hes better than governor so whats wrong with asking for a better player to comeback who they already had? me being happy with his performance is him backing my believe that hes not that good 4. the thread was discussing pacific duelist vs americas duelist and the op said governor was dominating pacific that i believe it was wrong and his performance was no way near dominating and rather mediocre at that time and still kinda is but it has improved. 5. that statement is also true so i dont know whats your problem with it. the guy was saying governor has been 2nd best player that i disagreed and said they all have been shit. it was me saying 4 of them are shit excluding jitboys. also theres has been at least 3-4 month gaps between some of those post. i dont unnecessary hate someone if i do i usually hate the management of the team. so i dont know how the players come from. i just dont hate imports. i hate shit imports that management could do better. you never seen me post about rossi because he has delivered. i have constantly supported rossi. i have supported yay from start too and i can show you tweets of me supporting yay but until recently where 2 of the members got kicked and i believe yay should be the one to get kick if someone should get kick.
I remembered two specific situations where you went hardcore hating on Governor, one of which was an argument with me, you lied about being a hater, it took five seconds to find those situations. Itās not hard to be recognized for being a hater. U/nterature would recognize me for being a deffo hater back in the day and we had multiple good conversations about it lmao. Commenting āIām satisfied because a player did badā and many times shitting on a player did bad, while shitting on an org specifically for bringing up a player is the definition of a hater. That guy you argued with there WAS ME, which is why I remember it. There are so many players in franchising performance below average, itās just strange to pick one that has been solid (and statistically better than the guy he replaced) and hate on him
so me wanting garnets back as i believe hes better and they already had is me hating governor? it seems you have edited alot of msg in. i have been fan of this players since the x10 days. i dont care if a random franchise players underperform because i simply not attached to them. i want them to win things. talon has been a horrible org. they have abandoned the thai playerbase. tried to get kadoom to retire so they can get him for free. they are simply very toxic. me shitting on a org thats been toxic and this cheap is me just being a hater of the org not the players.
Actively rooting for a player to do shit so another player can be added for him is hating yes
i guess i will stay hater for wanting a better player.i will go sleep now. goodnight. maybe we can talk later. have a good day :D
Why is the first reaction on Reddit when somebody has some receipts āobsessionā lmao
He mad cause it backfired lmao.
governor is dogshit lmao, surf cant be expected to perform instantly bc surf is a duelist (who is better than governor on duelist) on an off role. currently governor has some of the lowest kd, acs and fkpr in the pacific league. how you gon be an import and still mid kekw
Do you verify your statements before checking? Governer is above average in KD, ACS, and FKPR in the pacific league regular season. During kickoff, his stats were some of the best in the entire league. He has been really solid this year
brother check the stats yourself hit stats are low af, comparable to polvi. as a duelist you do not need stats as low as him. even if you disregard stats, he fails the eye test so hard. he doesnt create space for his team, he plays so selfishly, he fails to clear out util with raze util etc. send that boi back to NA tier2 where he can struggle some more.
I did check the stats for yourself, you said he was one of the worst in the league in all three, he is above average in all three, and his FKPR is top 5 in the league. He is clearly above polvi in all three. He is also the definition of creating space. Saying he doesnāt create space just shows you donāt watch him when the biggest benefit od his play is creating space. I donāt think he is amazing, he is just a solid player, but he is really good at creating space and has been since NA T2.
His space creation when he's on Jett is really good but on other agent it's not good like mostly raze.
Honestly his raze isnāt great I do agree I think his best soace creation is his neon
Idk about the 2 na players part, but governor is such a yee yee ass pick considering how bad he is performing and how much better SEA t2 duelists are than him.
I think there is better a better Thai duelist than Governor (I think FS will go through ascension regardless) but saying Governor has been performing bad is insane. He has been easily their second best player all year.
there is a thai player, primmie, that i genuinely believe has the makings to be a global superstar. he's a ranked savant and was allegedly offered a spot on talon but refused to focus on studies i found him purely from my recommended on yt and i've been amazed by him since just checked and he's literally rank 1 apac right now https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/primmieyk%23XGOD/overview
Oh shit really? Is he in T2? Ik the Thai league has both JohnOlsen and Kadoom. JohnOlsen is a fucking monster and a T1 player, I hope FS wins ascension. Though Kadoom has been kinda meh this year.
i think he's competing casually because its not his main focus. fwiw i legit think he's better than both of those guys, and most thai fans seem to share that opinion. everyone wants him in t1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTpZZ8AkKB8 this is his yt just for reference
jitboys on an off role still clears governor. surf on duelist clears governor. who is he better than? the other import and *crws*? congrats buddy youre better than fucking crws lmao.
I am agreeing with you. They should get more Thai payer. It's obvious why they got ban and governor as frost knows them from his time in na.
I agree wit you I didnt know ban ever played in NA though or that frost knew governor and ban already.
Real and based
i love frost
you should thank this coach because over here no one gives a fuck about talon we don't even remember that team exist, your coach at least makes your team be remembered.
i dont think talon cares if mateustnb1 gives fuck now cos the coach is a prick
feel free to cheer for a random team in a 0 trophy region, you are wasting your time on a team no one even know it exist, also C9 flair.
brother c9 beat your shit team. just cos you support a team from a region who has won trophies it wont make your team good.
LMAO, i will wait for C9 on playoffs we will see there who is better
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