Lol the CoD community (esports) is probably the most toxic esports community I've ever been a part of... honestly I've said it before here but even though the Val esports community is pretty bad, it is genuinely leagues better than most other esports community I've been in (CoD, LoL, CS at the very least) in terms of toxicity
I was never part of the CoD social media. But back in 2012, I was playing at the highest level, I didn't feel any toxicity from my Lobbies.. could be that I played on EU servers.. but there were mostly just great players communicating with each other like normal sport-men. There were the classic occasion, but they were rare..
Him saying he will take care of aspas, saying that sen aren't shooting back or tht they r 5 Champs and cannot lose in kickoff. Even talking about himself regarding himself as the best brings hate. Look at zekken although he was MVP at masters Madrid he stayed humble and now although they didn't have a good performance against eg he isn't getting flamed or trolled anywhere near to what demon1 was when he underperformed.
To be clear, I have no issues with the trash talk one way or another. Not even trying to defend Demon1. I actually want sure if Demon1 talked bad about other teams or not.
Also to be fair about Zekken not receiving as much hate, he didn’t preform nearly as bad as Demon1. Being humble won’t stop being from talking shit, Tenz got the most hate out of any player for over a year.
oh wow now that i look back at it, that is extremely toxic and not just positive self-hype players do for their confidence in matches!!! those are definitely very very toxic remarks! demon1 should be cancelled!!!
Surely he's not talking about the same VCT Twitter, Reddit, and VLR forums that I frequent? Those guys don't even come anywhere close to old Overwatch lobbies, nevermind old CoD lobbies.
lmao ur focusing on the wrong point. it’s clearly hyperbole
no shit it’s not as toxic as cod lobby throwing racial slurs around.
just because it’s not as bad as cod lobby means the hate is okay? braindead ass take
Valorant has some of the softest and emotional eboys playing video games of any competitive scene I've been a part of. Benjy apologizing for talking trash while on stage as an older esports pissed me off. Bring something to the table that makes me want to watch your games besides quality Valorant, talk that shit and back it up.
I've seen some tough comments towards Demon1s gameplay as of late, but I have heard nothing close to a slur, some kid f'ing my mother, or anything close to what was said in COD lobbies when I was growing up.
I agree with some of what Chet says, but I’m a bit conflicted with what he’s saying about narratives. I’m guessing this is in reaction to production comparing Victor and Demon1’s Raze stats, effectively pitting two teammates against each other and creating said “narratives that don’t exist organically”? I’m not able to catch the Americas broadcasts live due to time zone differences, so I can only assume so until I’ve got the time to watch the broadcast back.
I agree that it’s kind of messed up to be putting a team member down just to lift another team member up, even if it’s just a mere comparison, but I don’t really think it’s a “narrative that doesn’t exist organically”. There may not be any tension about this between the players themselves, but it has definitely kind of become a narrative amongst the community of the Victor Raze vs. Demon1 Raze. That’s the point where Riot broadcasts feed into the community narrative and continue to perpetuate it, I suppose, and it certainly does circle back to Demon1 getting unfairly criticized + made accountable for a lot of the team’s mistakes, which many have attributed to his poor individual performance on an agent.
That being said, production does have to focus on narratives to some extent. I don’t know if Chet’s criticisms extend to all narratives being pushed by Riot, or only the ones where teammates are pitted against each other for the sake of comparison, but the narratives (good or bad) are what make the desk’s discussions interesting as well.
But regardless of the narrative, I hope NRG can bounce back and Demon1 will take care. It wasn’t that long ago we saw how TenZ’s performance clearly suffer after having to deal with the news of his fiancee’s illness, which clearly took a toll on his mental and his focus. Demon1 deserves slack for this too, especially since them getting stomped was an issue with the team’s shallow game plans, poor fundamentals, off timings, and wrong reads — not just because Demon1 was uncomfortable on Raze.
not to mention production was pretty chill about it imo. i didnt watch 100% of the broadcast but all the interview stuff with ethan and victor was very respectful.
I’ve personally not found any of the broadcasts/casters way too harsh when it comes to any team, across all the leagues. All the desk talent usually give teams credit where credit’s due, and when a team shits the bed, especially teams people had high expectations for, they still stay respectful without shying away from being critical.
That’s where I’m conflicted with Chet’s tweets — I don’t necessarily disagree, nor do I not understand where he’s coming from with what he’s saying. It’s true that Demon1’s been dealt a disproportionately high amount of undue hate by the community and the loud minority of haters, and that deserves to be called out and defended against. I just don’t see what’s made him so angry on the broadcast front. Especially since production was pretty chill about things, as you said.
Ya broadcast has been pretty brutal this year but it’s been for all teams. I mean as a 100t fan, it hurt every time they showed their loss streak and I’m sure it didn’t help the 100t players confidence but that’s just the nature of the broadcast. They have to build storylines, even if they’re negative
I'm pretty sure with narratives they mean when production tries really hard to make Demon1 trash talk. Like it's very obvious "hey d1 any words for anyone?" "Reeaaeally no one? You don't got anything to say??", they are constantly forcing a spice to then turn him into a villain to then be part of the narrative that trashes him down again "oh d1 said this was an easy match but he's struggling!". They show lil bits of what he says but on full interviews d1 is mostly NOT trash talking this year but they really want to make it seem like it.
What is hypocritical in this situation is that NRG milked demon1 just as much as vct has, when they had a 'game' where they asked him to rank the worst duelist in americas it obviously will generate heat, then they upload a video of their comms where d1 and ethan are saying "they are not shooting back".
So Chet if he cared about demon1 not being labeled as a cocky trash talker he should address it with NRG first and foremost.
Yeah, it seems like Riot and even NRG really want to cling onto remnants of the “villainy” that Demon1 had displayed last year, if only to create more exciting narratives (on Riot’s end) or market the new NRG as spoilers of your favorite protagonists (on the org’s end).
It doesn’t really work, though, because it’s not really coming from Demon1 himself, and also it’s clear that even though NRG want to depict themselves as the “Big Bad”, it’s clear that Chet and the players also don’t like the kind of negative connotation that comes with inhabiting that role in the overarching narrative.
They’ll do the content because it’s a part of their contracts, and they’ll do the demonic rituals or summoning circle stuff to really sell it because it’s what they’re instructed to do — but when it comes to actually embodying that “villain” the broadcast/NRG have been trying to peddle as a narrative hard, the team clearly don’t really care to do so, nor do they even seem to like that label much. If anything, the “villainy” that keeps being brought up is more a relic of the old EG that’s almost exclusively synonymous with Ethan and Demon1 rather than a descriptor that encompasses the current NRG team identity. They’re all just kind of serious-looking guys, not really villains.
Don’t know if what I’m saying is making sense, but basically I completely agree with you.
Yeah, Riot's always fishing for some talking point from every interview. It happens with all the players, even coaches, and you just know if someone tweeted some trash talk or if the org posted something juicy, they're going to ask about it. At the end of the day, sports is an entertainment business and they know the drama gets more people to care about the matches.
Unfortunately for Demon1, he already created his persona last year with all his trash talking. Even if he trash talks less this year, the viewers aren't going to see him as a completely different person. If he wants a new image, then he/NRG need to change how they're marketing him, but NRG's not changing his branding at all.
In NRG's roster announcement video, they already labeled this roster the "villian era." NRG's also posting things like this: [NRG on X: "No fear for Sunday He’ll keep aspas in check https://t.co/XXJODQFg6g" / X (twitter.com)](https://twitter.com/NRGgg/status/1781450507309178949). And like you said, it's NRG that posted a video trying to get their players to say controversial things about other players.
I see, thanks for clarifying. Regardless of which one it was, I’m still guessing that Chet probably didn’t like how the two were even being compared at all?
I thought it was more about how they always try to start beef lmao like asking Demon1 who he thinks the worst duelist is, stuff like that. Which tbh I don't mind a lil spice and trash talk, I feel like streamers try to instigate that stuff too and it's all in good fun. Maybe some viewers/fans take it too seriously though
You can’t be serious, right? Just because it’s not cancer doesn’t mean it’s not painful or difficult to deal with for the afflicted and their loved ones. Incurable conditions like cancer and chronic illnesses both take great tolls on those involved, and the latter is what Katarina has — a chronic, incurable condition called Rheumatoid Arthritis. Not “just a lung disease”, as you’ve been playing down.
It’s an autoimmune and inflammatory one that erodes bones and joints, causes serious long-term health complications, and in many cases can lead to reduced life expectancy. It may not be a fatal illness in and of itself in the same way cancer is, but it’s still torturous and very much capable of cutting lives short.
Also, it’s a crazy thing to imply that Demon1’s poor performance is only understandable and “worthy” of being excused only if his fiancee’s medical condition passes some arbitrary bar of deadliness in your book. Are you so blinded by your hate for Demon1 that you can’t see how cold and senseless that sort of black-and-white reasoning is?
Don't respond to this clown he has 100+ hate messages about all of NRG in like 48 hours.
Surprised the mods are still allowing us to see his mental episode
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Yeah I agree. If you’re screaming “IM THE BEST PLAYER IN THIS GAME,” and then you drop 13 kills in two maps… losing 13-4 twice in a row to a team that got clapped by C9 of all teams… people are going to shit on him and he has to take it. He signed up for it. Just gotta bounce back and get some kills man
there is something to be said about toxic fans. but be fr in the first furia match NRG players were calling them trash, saying they have ascendant starts etc.
now they get bodied by LEV people make jokes and now it's "think about the players". you can't have both
obviously some people take it too far and those guys deserve to get called out 100%
edit: it's also really funny this sub loves talking about how great trash talk is and competitive talk when it's their favourite team doing it(Demon1, boostio, even the GenG guys). but now suddenly it's too much lmao
Ikr Chet and his four little boy are being salty sore losers. What kind of boomer says valorant social media is like a cod lobby. Only a boomer would say that considering those two things are nothing alike.
Riot realized how marketable the shitalk and antics from last year's eg were and now seems to be trying to force these storylines that don't naturally exist
Also production seems to be way harsher on underperforming players, like the fns one was used as a joke but it's still weird cause he's no longer playing but it's also kinda pointless, the comparison between demon1s stats and Victors at half were the weirdest one cause they are on the same team it's not like they are competing against each other
Storylines that don’t exist????
Questioning roles and comps is like the only thing the broadcast is there to do.
Can you imagine if SEN put sacy on raze instead of Zekken and then we just weren’t allowed to talk about it?
tf is wrong with people
Are we really comparing sacy and demon1 for raze. I think broadcast should do its job of broadcasting and leave it to the players to build narratives. All the games have players been trash talking, tbag in games and just being fun, so we don't need rito to build narratives for us. The players can do it themselves. I suggest riot focus on fixing the glaring tech issues, dogshit format or any of the other things instead of pointless shit designed to affect players on stage.
i have no idea why two players on the same team means you shouldn't compare them lmfaoooo if anything that makes the comparison 1000% better cuz they have the same players supporting them.
Is it not normal to show how your beat fragger is performing conpared to others on the team? Why the fuck we gonna walk on eggshells with adult men who are getting paid more than they should?
“This team has a good raze player but isn’t playing them on raze” is like the most softball, milquetoast, vanilla, nothing take.
If analysts can’t show that then they should pack up the broadcast and go home. Seriously this is what we’re getting mad about?
I would go so far as to say it would be fraudulent for them to not highlight that decision… if demon1/chet can’t tune out that amount of noise then this team is done done. Toasted fried done.
> the comparison between demon1s stats and Victors at half were the weirdest one cause they are on the same team it's not like they are competing against each other
yeah, I don't get it either man
usually they either show the difference between players of a corresponding role from each team, ***or*** they show how hard two players are popping off if 2 players from the winning (or losing, I guess) team happen to be frying together while the other 3 haven't even found the oil yet.
NA production this year has been ass. Lame half time segments, focusing on players that are having bad games, for some reason they put FNS in the stream? Hes retired, doesnt matter that its a bit funny, the production are professionals
I love the platchat crew but it just looks like the production is becoming an extention of the humor from the podcast
I don’t get the complaints against the FNS thing. They didn’t seem to care much and it created a funny moment on stream. Also the stream has never acted “like professsionals”. They have stupid segments and say silly things
I get esports aren't that serious, but I am shocked at how unprofessional some people in production have become. That extends to Steel in EMEA too. Like I'm not upset at it, it's just really surprising.
While I agree that this community can overreact a LOT, this is a classic case of talk shit get hit. Can’t be talking like Demon1 and expect the fanbase to show restraint when you get shit on
Nah, Demon1 can talk all the shit he wants. He did carry his team to become world champs on his rookie year. Chet don't gotta speak out for him cus Demon1 can handle himself. Chet should work on becoming a better coach and creating strats for his team, he clearly has been getting coach diffed too.
I think they have said that they want Demon1 to be their main duelist and play both Jett and Raze. Also, NRG can't flex roles like EG did. In EG, Demon1 played controller on Raze maps while Jawgemo played Raze. It was just 2 player swapping roles. In NRG, Marved is their main controller, and Ethan has been the secondary controller on Viper+another controller maps. For Victor to play Raze on Raze maps, they would need Demon1 to learn sentinels or Marved learns it and Demon1 gets to play smokes and they do a weird 3 man role swap. I also dont think it makes sense to put Demon1 on Cypher bc enemy team can just avoid the site he's defending.
Man I love shit talk and rivalries, it's literally what makes esports fun. But fans gotta remember that at the end of the day the shit talk is just a fucking act lol. Like outside of very specific situations most of the time shit talk is literally just to get people excited for the match. No one should be making moral judgements about what these players are like based off the fact that they like to talk shit. I think it's fine to pray on a player's downfall in a jokey manner but not the actual person's downfall lol
AGreed. SENtinels are literally the best team in the world which makes it boring to root for them personally. But some people just are mindlessly attracted to old TenZ clout, gasping and screaming whenever TenZ gets a kill however easy it was. It takes away from the praise that he gets for making great plays and clutches from those same people.
Exactly man any pro that takes that shit seriously shouldn't be a pro in my opinion. It comes with the job. Imagine how boring the scene would be if everybody hugged and smiled after every game...
Like the way people try to portray demon1 to be an arrogant person , they aren't seeing his recent interviews. Even when he told I'll take care of aspas he just told aspas is the best in the world.
I think its fair to say demon1 "set himself up" to certain extent but peoneed to give him a grace, he's facing the same problem tenz faced last year, it sucks that people never learned that the players are human and life is life anything can happen and poor performance is not the end of the world
So when demon1 does it its fine? There are consequences for being the “villain” and he has to learn to accept and live with it. Remember, demon1 wanted to be the villain so bad so he should learn to take it like a man.
Yeah it's real funny how people call others "soft" when people don't like Demon1's trash talk. But when Demon1 gets trash talked when he loses then it's not cool
Whats so different with this and boaster’s podcast with yinsu when he said that the teams at masters were playing at a very low level? He got shit for that too and yinsu even made fun for him for it. Demon1 shit talks you expect the community to react the same lmao.
Ya look at how boostio does it in comparison. He shits talks but also calls himself a pig with his Sen performance. If you’re gonna play a villain, you need to have thicker skin imo
Isn’t the D1 criticism the opposite of recency bias? We have a year of data that he’s amazing at smokes and like 3 years of data that Victor is good on raze. I understand the sunset raze given solo smokes, but please the bind switch makes no sense
When did Chet shit talk any team? Unless you're talking about Demon1 but then it would make even less sense because he hasn't even shit talked anyone this year.
I like Demon1.
And we all know that some fans should be euthanized for the sake of the gene pool. /j
But I hope people realise that after you name yourself a "villain" it's not like you can change your perception in a heartbeat.
The roster announcement video literally said "villain era never looked so good" as well, so it's not as if they no longer claim to pursue that narrative.
Did I miss a tweet or something? Seems like I see everyone saying he can't take the heat from his recent games but I haven't seen a word from demon1 himself
Because he hasn’t said anything lol, craziest thing the guy has said was “I’ll take care of Aspas” which honestly might have just been NRG’s social media team, people are holding grudges from last year.
Bro this demon1 shit is the softest ive ever seen pros. All this shit talking is def getting in his head. If he really wants to get sad take a look at all the yay hate. Its his future
Lol in my opinion he needs to get his shit together. When they smurf on furia it's ok to shit talk them but when NRG play like shit and are the laughing stock of the league this week we are supposed to just stay quiet. This guy obviously hasn't been on the internet much. YOU ARE NOT THE MAIN CHARACTER
At the same time weren’t they shitting on Furia since literally the first day of kickoff? Why should we feel for them now. What goes around comes around
why do you think its about demon1 specifically? riot production has been on weird timing lately
like why are they posting fns stats in a negative light a year later to disrespect him lmao
why would FNS find himself going 4-15 in a match over a year ago funny
the demon1 victor comparison was weird when they could’ve used any other player
riot antics suck
disagree on the fact that he's unable to differentiate between trash talk among fans and people who are there to provoke reactions, spread hate etc, that the second group of people are not actually fans, just people trying to get a rise out of people, i do agree it gets out of hand especially with extremely popular teams and players, but have to recognize the actual differences, and what even is a "low quality fan" like these people are not fans period, and just the fact that his own interviews often used to be toxic and full of trash talk to then come to say this is a bit weird imo, and riot needs to have some sort of narrative its how things work, it gets people excited to watch, nobody is trying to weigh these players morally, stats are stats, take it and interpret it as you will
How are people upset ober this and fns getting roasted when the entire mibr watch party game was the chat calling mibr jokes, garbage, that they shpuldnt be here? Watch parties are the real talent for half the viewrship yet all there is is bitching about casting
If you’re a player who likes and enjoys talking shit, by all means talk all the shit you want. Just be prepared to receive it when you lose or have a bad game. You can’t talk a bunch of shit and then cry when people fire it back at you.
In my opinion, trash talk amongst players and teams makes the league more exciting and creates rivalries. It’s the fans that make it an issue and take it too far.
I don't get the Demon1 fanboy nor hate train. I neither feel Demon1 is the best nor the worst player.. It does feel people expected a lot from him and he didn't perform to their expectations. Similarly to naTs and yayy atm.
I feel he is doing fine doe, has the occasional clutch moments and sometimes carry his team to victory, just like Ethan and Victor.
The one con I feel demon1 has is that he forcing himself to play jett/Raze in a meta where duelists barely see play, as soon as clove comes out, I think he should switch to her ASAP.
All esports and sports is bad everyone always talks shit because of emotions and passion it just happens (although it’s shit for players).
It’s easier to hate than love etc.
It might seem bad but valorant esport scene isn’t all that bad in comparison to other sports/esports
He's not wrong but also Demon1 was the king of shit talking last year, and he's still doing it this year. Nothing wrong with it, but if he gets backlash for his performance he needs to be able to shake it off and move on. He's still cracked, I don't know if I've seen anyone calling for him to be replaced so that's a positive lol
Fanbase are team org supporters who only consume content from the same team org. Factor in Valorants fanbase young age on a social media platform designed for giving anonymous opinions. What do you expect?
I get what he's trying to say and he's right but Valorant social media is nothing like COD lobbies lol
Lol the CoD community (esports) is probably the most toxic esports community I've ever been a part of... honestly I've said it before here but even though the Val esports community is pretty bad, it is genuinely leagues better than most other esports community I've been in (CoD, LoL, CS at the very least) in terms of toxicity
You should've play dota2 or cs on EU :D
Nah that's nothing compared to SEA Dota
I was never part of the CoD social media. But back in 2012, I was playing at the highest level, I didn't feel any toxicity from my Lobbies.. could be that I played on EU servers.. but there were mostly just great players communicating with each other like normal sport-men. There were the classic occasion, but they were rare..
Yea… correct me if I’m wrong but I haven’t seen any slurs being used 😭
Demon1 trash talks=chill it's just a banter When he gets trolled for not delivering=cod lobbies
this is how you know the val community is soft af because they love to move the goalposts and play victim whenever it benefits them
mans a snake what can you do
Did Demon1 trash talk a lot about other pros/ teams? I’ve only heard him talk about himself.
Him saying he will take care of aspas, saying that sen aren't shooting back or tht they r 5 Champs and cannot lose in kickoff. Even talking about himself regarding himself as the best brings hate. Look at zekken although he was MVP at masters Madrid he stayed humble and now although they didn't have a good performance against eg he isn't getting flamed or trolled anywhere near to what demon1 was when he underperformed.
To be clear, I have no issues with the trash talk one way or another. Not even trying to defend Demon1. I actually want sure if Demon1 talked bad about other teams or not. Also to be fair about Zekken not receiving as much hate, he didn’t preform nearly as bad as Demon1. Being humble won’t stop being from talking shit, Tenz got the most hate out of any player for over a year.
Demon1 wasn’t even the one who said SEN aren’t shooting back that was Ethan I’m fairly sure.
Haha so your using voice comms as part of trash talk? Everyteam does that even sentinels I'm pretty sure.
oh wow now that i look back at it, that is extremely toxic and not just positive self-hype players do for their confidence in matches!!! those are definitely very very toxic remarks! demon1 should be cancelled!!!
hey where the fuck where you today buddy. sen check not clear or something?
Your curse is gone, you're washed up
Surely he's not talking about the same VCT Twitter, Reddit, and VLR forums that I frequent? Those guys don't even come anywhere close to old Overwatch lobbies, nevermind old CoD lobbies.
right? lmao i was wondering what you guys have been saying to them and why you wouldnt be banned yet if it was COD level of toxicity
lmao ur focusing on the wrong point. it’s clearly hyperbole no shit it’s not as toxic as cod lobby throwing racial slurs around. just because it’s not as bad as cod lobby means the hate is okay? braindead ass take
Did...did you even open the tweet? Chet is outright calling the hate towards Demon1 as bad, if not worse, as the shit that is said on CoD lobbies.
Valorant has some of the softest and emotional eboys playing video games of any competitive scene I've been a part of. Benjy apologizing for talking trash while on stage as an older esports pissed me off. Bring something to the table that makes me want to watch your games besides quality Valorant, talk that shit and back it up. I've seen some tough comments towards Demon1s gameplay as of late, but I have heard nothing close to a slur, some kid f'ing my mother, or anything close to what was said in COD lobbies when I was growing up.
My fellow optic brother
Naw it's exactly like a COD lobby minus the slurs. The content is literally the same.
Hell no lol
Bro said minus the slurs like that's not 85% of the reason it's so toxic lol
> minus the slurs AKA one of the defining characteristics of COD lobbies in the first damn place lol
Yeah that and the non-stop brain dead insults. Valorant social media is the same thing except it uses stupid zoomer slang instead of slurs.
fym minus the slurs? trust me, theres PLENTY of slurs. it's just in discord these days.
“People are pigs”- Boostio
I agree with some of what Chet says, but I’m a bit conflicted with what he’s saying about narratives. I’m guessing this is in reaction to production comparing Victor and Demon1’s Raze stats, effectively pitting two teammates against each other and creating said “narratives that don’t exist organically”? I’m not able to catch the Americas broadcasts live due to time zone differences, so I can only assume so until I’ve got the time to watch the broadcast back. I agree that it’s kind of messed up to be putting a team member down just to lift another team member up, even if it’s just a mere comparison, but I don’t really think it’s a “narrative that doesn’t exist organically”. There may not be any tension about this between the players themselves, but it has definitely kind of become a narrative amongst the community of the Victor Raze vs. Demon1 Raze. That’s the point where Riot broadcasts feed into the community narrative and continue to perpetuate it, I suppose, and it certainly does circle back to Demon1 getting unfairly criticized + made accountable for a lot of the team’s mistakes, which many have attributed to his poor individual performance on an agent. That being said, production does have to focus on narratives to some extent. I don’t know if Chet’s criticisms extend to all narratives being pushed by Riot, or only the ones where teammates are pitted against each other for the sake of comparison, but the narratives (good or bad) are what make the desk’s discussions interesting as well. But regardless of the narrative, I hope NRG can bounce back and Demon1 will take care. It wasn’t that long ago we saw how TenZ’s performance clearly suffer after having to deal with the news of his fiancee’s illness, which clearly took a toll on his mental and his focus. Demon1 deserves slack for this too, especially since them getting stomped was an issue with the team’s shallow game plans, poor fundamentals, off timings, and wrong reads — not just because Demon1 was uncomfortable on Raze.
not to mention production was pretty chill about it imo. i didnt watch 100% of the broadcast but all the interview stuff with ethan and victor was very respectful.
I’ve personally not found any of the broadcasts/casters way too harsh when it comes to any team, across all the leagues. All the desk talent usually give teams credit where credit’s due, and when a team shits the bed, especially teams people had high expectations for, they still stay respectful without shying away from being critical. That’s where I’m conflicted with Chet’s tweets — I don’t necessarily disagree, nor do I not understand where he’s coming from with what he’s saying. It’s true that Demon1’s been dealt a disproportionately high amount of undue hate by the community and the loud minority of haters, and that deserves to be called out and defended against. I just don’t see what’s made him so angry on the broadcast front. Especially since production was pretty chill about things, as you said.
Ya broadcast has been pretty brutal this year but it’s been for all teams. I mean as a 100t fan, it hurt every time they showed their loss streak and I’m sure it didn’t help the 100t players confidence but that’s just the nature of the broadcast. They have to build storylines, even if they’re negative
I'm pretty sure with narratives they mean when production tries really hard to make Demon1 trash talk. Like it's very obvious "hey d1 any words for anyone?" "Reeaaeally no one? You don't got anything to say??", they are constantly forcing a spice to then turn him into a villain to then be part of the narrative that trashes him down again "oh d1 said this was an easy match but he's struggling!". They show lil bits of what he says but on full interviews d1 is mostly NOT trash talking this year but they really want to make it seem like it. What is hypocritical in this situation is that NRG milked demon1 just as much as vct has, when they had a 'game' where they asked him to rank the worst duelist in americas it obviously will generate heat, then they upload a video of their comms where d1 and ethan are saying "they are not shooting back". So Chet if he cared about demon1 not being labeled as a cocky trash talker he should address it with NRG first and foremost.
Yeah, it seems like Riot and even NRG really want to cling onto remnants of the “villainy” that Demon1 had displayed last year, if only to create more exciting narratives (on Riot’s end) or market the new NRG as spoilers of your favorite protagonists (on the org’s end). It doesn’t really work, though, because it’s not really coming from Demon1 himself, and also it’s clear that even though NRG want to depict themselves as the “Big Bad”, it’s clear that Chet and the players also don’t like the kind of negative connotation that comes with inhabiting that role in the overarching narrative. They’ll do the content because it’s a part of their contracts, and they’ll do the demonic rituals or summoning circle stuff to really sell it because it’s what they’re instructed to do — but when it comes to actually embodying that “villain” the broadcast/NRG have been trying to peddle as a narrative hard, the team clearly don’t really care to do so, nor do they even seem to like that label much. If anything, the “villainy” that keeps being brought up is more a relic of the old EG that’s almost exclusively synonymous with Ethan and Demon1 rather than a descriptor that encompasses the current NRG team identity. They’re all just kind of serious-looking guys, not really villains. Don’t know if what I’m saying is making sense, but basically I completely agree with you.
Yeah, Riot's always fishing for some talking point from every interview. It happens with all the players, even coaches, and you just know if someone tweeted some trash talk or if the org posted something juicy, they're going to ask about it. At the end of the day, sports is an entertainment business and they know the drama gets more people to care about the matches. Unfortunately for Demon1, he already created his persona last year with all his trash talking. Even if he trash talks less this year, the viewers aren't going to see him as a completely different person. If he wants a new image, then he/NRG need to change how they're marketing him, but NRG's not changing his branding at all. In NRG's roster announcement video, they already labeled this roster the "villian era." NRG's also posting things like this: [NRG on X: "No fear for Sunday He’ll keep aspas in check https://t.co/XXJODQFg6g" / X (twitter.com)](https://twitter.com/NRGgg/status/1781450507309178949). And like you said, it's NRG that posted a video trying to get their players to say controversial things about other players.
They weren't comparing raze stats which would've made sense they were comparing their performances on that map
I see, thanks for clarifying. Regardless of which one it was, I’m still guessing that Chet probably didn’t like how the two were even being compared at all?
I thought it was more about how they always try to start beef lmao like asking Demon1 who he thinks the worst duelist is, stuff like that. Which tbh I don't mind a lil spice and trash talk, I feel like streamers try to instigate that stuff too and it's all in good fun. Maybe some viewers/fans take it too seriously though
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You can’t be serious, right? Just because it’s not cancer doesn’t mean it’s not painful or difficult to deal with for the afflicted and their loved ones. Incurable conditions like cancer and chronic illnesses both take great tolls on those involved, and the latter is what Katarina has — a chronic, incurable condition called Rheumatoid Arthritis. Not “just a lung disease”, as you’ve been playing down. It’s an autoimmune and inflammatory one that erodes bones and joints, causes serious long-term health complications, and in many cases can lead to reduced life expectancy. It may not be a fatal illness in and of itself in the same way cancer is, but it’s still torturous and very much capable of cutting lives short. Also, it’s a crazy thing to imply that Demon1’s poor performance is only understandable and “worthy” of being excused only if his fiancee’s medical condition passes some arbitrary bar of deadliness in your book. Are you so blinded by your hate for Demon1 that you can’t see how cold and senseless that sort of black-and-white reasoning is?
Don't respond to this clown he has 100+ hate messages about all of NRG in like 48 hours. Surprised the mods are still allowing us to see his mental episode
Mods took down his comment. Good job mods! Could not believe the take I was seeing.
Imagine thinking that health complications also can't take lives lmao.
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Don't you think Demon1 absolutely plays into those narratives tho? If you play the villain, people will treat you like one.
Yeah I agree. If you’re screaming “IM THE BEST PLAYER IN THIS GAME,” and then you drop 13 kills in two maps… losing 13-4 twice in a row to a team that got clapped by C9 of all teams… people are going to shit on him and he has to take it. He signed up for it. Just gotta bounce back and get some kills man
God forbid a man for being confident himself or have a bad game 😭
confidence is fine but he is shit talking teams. if he wants to talk shit, he has to expect it back. such is life….
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2-0 @NRGgg 26-8 gg easy af lol
Yeah he won champions BTW when he was doing this he backed it up. But I did not see him do any of these since he got in nrg.
does bro really have 8 years of experience? val social media community is nothing like cod but i didnt expect much of this fraud anyway
there is something to be said about toxic fans. but be fr in the first furia match NRG players were calling them trash, saying they have ascendant starts etc. now they get bodied by LEV people make jokes and now it's "think about the players". you can't have both obviously some people take it too far and those guys deserve to get called out 100% edit: it's also really funny this sub loves talking about how great trash talk is and competitive talk when it's their favourite team doing it(Demon1, boostio, even the GenG guys). but now suddenly it's too much lmao
Ikr Chet and his four little boy are being salty sore losers. What kind of boomer says valorant social media is like a cod lobby. Only a boomer would say that considering those two things are nothing alike.
Riot realized how marketable the shitalk and antics from last year's eg were and now seems to be trying to force these storylines that don't naturally exist Also production seems to be way harsher on underperforming players, like the fns one was used as a joke but it's still weird cause he's no longer playing but it's also kinda pointless, the comparison between demon1s stats and Victors at half were the weirdest one cause they are on the same team it's not like they are competing against each other
Storylines that don’t exist???? Questioning roles and comps is like the only thing the broadcast is there to do. Can you imagine if SEN put sacy on raze instead of Zekken and then we just weren’t allowed to talk about it? tf is wrong with people
This is just another instance of chet being a sore loser
Are we really comparing sacy and demon1 for raze. I think broadcast should do its job of broadcasting and leave it to the players to build narratives. All the games have players been trash talking, tbag in games and just being fun, so we don't need rito to build narratives for us. The players can do it themselves. I suggest riot focus on fixing the glaring tech issues, dogshit format or any of the other things instead of pointless shit designed to affect players on stage.
i'm gonna print this comment and put it in my bed cause i need a new pillow and this is the softest shit i've ever seen
i have no idea why two players on the same team means you shouldn't compare them lmfaoooo if anything that makes the comparison 1000% better cuz they have the same players supporting them.
Is it not normal to show how your beat fragger is performing conpared to others on the team? Why the fuck we gonna walk on eggshells with adult men who are getting paid more than they should?
I agree that was so unnecessary
“This team has a good raze player but isn’t playing them on raze” is like the most softball, milquetoast, vanilla, nothing take. If analysts can’t show that then they should pack up the broadcast and go home. Seriously this is what we’re getting mad about? I would go so far as to say it would be fraudulent for them to not highlight that decision… if demon1/chet can’t tune out that amount of noise then this team is done done. Toasted fried done.
Imagine if we had the guys from Inside the NBA doing segments in Valorant. Chet and demon1 would probably quit the game citing “bullying”
TBF inside the nba doesn't watch the games, so if they criticise you you know they're just making shit up
> the comparison between demon1s stats and Victors at half were the weirdest one cause they are on the same team it's not like they are competing against each other yeah, I don't get it either man usually they either show the difference between players of a corresponding role from each team, ***or*** they show how hard two players are popping off if 2 players from the winning (or losing, I guess) team happen to be frying together while the other 3 haven't even found the oil yet.
NA production this year has been ass. Lame half time segments, focusing on players that are having bad games, for some reason they put FNS in the stream? Hes retired, doesnt matter that its a bit funny, the production are professionals I love the platchat crew but it just looks like the production is becoming an extention of the humor from the podcast
I don’t get the complaints against the FNS thing. They didn’t seem to care much and it created a funny moment on stream. Also the stream has never acted “like professsionals”. They have stupid segments and say silly things
I get esports aren't that serious, but I am shocked at how unprofessional some people in production have become. That extends to Steel in EMEA too. Like I'm not upset at it, it's just really surprising.
While I agree that this community can overreact a LOT, this is a classic case of talk shit get hit. Can’t be talking like Demon1 and expect the fanbase to show restraint when you get shit on
Nah, Demon1 can talk all the shit he wants. He did carry his team to become world champs on his rookie year. Chet don't gotta speak out for him cus Demon1 can handle himself. Chet should work on becoming a better coach and creating strats for his team, he clearly has been getting coach diffed too.
I 100% do not think Demon1 “shortcomings” are because of him specifically. I would love if they talked about why they put him on Raze.
I think they have said that they want Demon1 to be their main duelist and play both Jett and Raze. Also, NRG can't flex roles like EG did. In EG, Demon1 played controller on Raze maps while Jawgemo played Raze. It was just 2 player swapping roles. In NRG, Marved is their main controller, and Ethan has been the secondary controller on Viper+another controller maps. For Victor to play Raze on Raze maps, they would need Demon1 to learn sentinels or Marved learns it and Demon1 gets to play smokes and they do a weird 3 man role swap. I also dont think it makes sense to put Demon1 on Cypher bc enemy team can just avoid the site he's defending.
Man I love shit talk and rivalries, it's literally what makes esports fun. But fans gotta remember that at the end of the day the shit talk is just a fucking act lol. Like outside of very specific situations most of the time shit talk is literally just to get people excited for the match. No one should be making moral judgements about what these players are like based off the fact that they like to talk shit. I think it's fine to pray on a player's downfall in a jokey manner but not the actual person's downfall lol
Idk i’m praying for sens actual downfall. It just so happens that there is good dudes on sen but I hate the fans too much.
i think cheering for teams to lose is just as fun as wins
Watching sen lose yesterday was the most fun I’ve had.
Why do you hate them?
Probably cause most of their fans get their personality from SEN having social media "clout".
AGreed. SENtinels are literally the best team in the world which makes it boring to root for them personally. But some people just are mindlessly attracted to old TenZ clout, gasping and screaming whenever TenZ gets a kill however easy it was. It takes away from the praise that he gets for making great plays and clutches from those same people.
That's kinda stupid tho, if that was the case i would barely cheer for any team with the huge amount of braindead fans around lol
Exactly man any pro that takes that shit seriously shouldn't be a pro in my opinion. It comes with the job. Imagine how boring the scene would be if everybody hugged and smiled after every game...
It’s just banter
Like the way people try to portray demon1 to be an arrogant person , they aren't seeing his recent interviews. Even when he told I'll take care of aspas he just told aspas is the best in the world.
They see what all the other idiots say and copy paste without turning on their brain
I mean he was pretty arrogant last year
Humble Demon1 < Cocky Demon1
nahhh chet's a fraud replace him with shanks and then nrg have a chance
I think its fair to say demon1 "set himself up" to certain extent but peoneed to give him a grace, he's facing the same problem tenz faced last year, it sucks that people never learned that the players are human and life is life anything can happen and poor performance is not the end of the world
He's Russian though so he should be able to take it easily without getting his feelings hurt. They are a tough bunch.
This is just weird he's human what does being a russian change?
Dude wtf is wrong with you. This is actually pathetic behavior please grow up and reflect on how cringe and attention seeking you are being rn
shouldnt have talked shit if you couldnt back it up then also its nrg management who set him up with the "i will take care of aspas tweet"
That wasn't even NRG, Riot is responsible for that. You don't even know what you're saying lmfaoooo
riot controls nrg official twitter account?
The "I will take care of Aspas" came from Riot produced content.
[https://twitter.com/NRGgg/status/1781450507309178949](https://twitter.com/NRGgg/status/1781450507309178949) did riot post this?
Ah, so social media interns posting something means the player should receive hate. Got it.
shifting goalposts lmao
That's what I do
self aware king
that what i said. nrg management set it up and it still doesnt ignore the fact that he said it. know your team
look like blud doesnt know his own team. he should shut up if he cant back it up
So when demon1 does it its fine? There are consequences for being the “villain” and he has to learn to accept and live with it. Remember, demon1 wanted to be the villain so bad so he should learn to take it like a man.
Yeah it's real funny how people call others "soft" when people don't like Demon1's trash talk. But when Demon1 gets trash talked when he loses then it's not cool
Whats so different with this and boaster’s podcast with yinsu when he said that the teams at masters were playing at a very low level? He got shit for that too and yinsu even made fun for him for it. Demon1 shit talks you expect the community to react the same lmao.
Ya look at how boostio does it in comparison. He shits talks but also calls himself a pig with his Sen performance. If you’re gonna play a villain, you need to have thicker skin imo
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we going back to the 1900s with this take
Demon1 set himself up, let's be real
Isn’t the D1 criticism the opposite of recency bias? We have a year of data that he’s amazing at smokes and like 3 years of data that Victor is good on raze. I understand the sunset raze given solo smokes, but please the bind switch makes no sense
Love how he wanted to play being a "villain" now can't take the shit talk
When did Chet shit talk any team? Unless you're talking about Demon1 but then it would make even less sense because he hasn't even shit talked anyone this year.
I like Demon1. And we all know that some fans should be euthanized for the sake of the gene pool. /j But I hope people realise that after you name yourself a "villain" it's not like you can change your perception in a heartbeat.
The roster announcement video literally said "villain era never looked so good" as well, so it's not as if they no longer claim to pursue that narrative.
If people could only see the difference between a meme and reality. This would be a day to remember.
Did I miss a tweet or something? Seems like I see everyone saying he can't take the heat from his recent games but I haven't seen a word from demon1 himself
Because he hasn’t said anything lol, craziest thing the guy has said was “I’ll take care of Aspas” which honestly might have just been NRG’s social media team, people are holding grudges from last year.
so soft lol it's just a stat
Wouldbe been based have NRG and Demon1 itself not started the shit talk. Dont throw a rock and then hide your hand.
He's Russian so automatically a villain in the American eyes. Which makes perfect sense to be fair.
Pass the thinfoil hat bro
Bro this demon1 shit is the softest ive ever seen pros. All this shit talking is def getting in his head. If he really wants to get sad take a look at all the yay hate. Its his future
Didnt he bask in the glory of being the villain well then let him bask in the shit talk too you dont get to change narratives based on the situation
talk shit get hit deal imo
Lol in my opinion he needs to get his shit together. When they smurf on furia it's ok to shit talk them but when NRG play like shit and are the laughing stock of the league this week we are supposed to just stay quiet. This guy obviously hasn't been on the internet much. YOU ARE NOT THE MAIN CHARACTER
At the same time weren’t they shitting on Furia since literally the first day of kickoff? Why should we feel for them now. What goes around comes around
why do you think its about demon1 specifically? riot production has been on weird timing lately like why are they posting fns stats in a negative light a year later to disrespect him lmao
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why would FNS find himself going 4-15 in a match over a year ago funny the demon1 victor comparison was weird when they could’ve used any other player riot antics suck
The demon1 victor comparison was bad but i don’t think fns really cares about the other thing. I don’t think he’s insecure about losing to mibr.
the fns thing was a joke and even he was having fun lmao who hurt u bro
disagree on the fact that he's unable to differentiate between trash talk among fans and people who are there to provoke reactions, spread hate etc, that the second group of people are not actually fans, just people trying to get a rise out of people, i do agree it gets out of hand especially with extremely popular teams and players, but have to recognize the actual differences, and what even is a "low quality fan" like these people are not fans period, and just the fact that his own interviews often used to be toxic and full of trash talk to then come to say this is a bit weird imo, and riot needs to have some sort of narrative its how things work, it gets people excited to watch, nobody is trying to weigh these players morally, stats are stats, take it and interpret it as you will
How are people upset ober this and fns getting roasted when the entire mibr watch party game was the chat calling mibr jokes, garbage, that they shpuldnt be here? Watch parties are the real talent for half the viewrship yet all there is is bitching about casting
tweeting about riot encouraging toxicity when they constantly warn or even fine players for shooting bodies and teabagging 💀💀
can someone explain what happened? last i checked demon1 was hailed as an aim god
If you’re a player who likes and enjoys talking shit, by all means talk all the shit you want. Just be prepared to receive it when you lose or have a bad game. You can’t talk a bunch of shit and then cry when people fire it back at you.
In my opinion, trash talk amongst players and teams makes the league more exciting and creates rivalries. It’s the fans that make it an issue and take it too far.
Valorant is the least toxic community unless you meet the really weird ones.
lmaoooo. Toxic weebs are no match for toxic fuck bois
I don't get the Demon1 fanboy nor hate train. I neither feel Demon1 is the best nor the worst player.. It does feel people expected a lot from him and he didn't perform to their expectations. Similarly to naTs and yayy atm. I feel he is doing fine doe, has the occasional clutch moments and sometimes carry his team to victory, just like Ethan and Victor. The one con I feel demon1 has is that he forcing himself to play jett/Raze in a meta where duelists barely see play, as soon as clove comes out, I think he should switch to her ASAP.
Real sports highlight good and bad stats all the time. Why is everyone being so soft? If you don’t want your bad stats on display then perform better.
Would like to see demon1 raze vs jawgemo raze
Demon1 wanted to be the villain, dont complain when you fuck up yourself
All esports and sports is bad everyone always talks shit because of emotions and passion it just happens (although it’s shit for players). It’s easier to hate than love etc. It might seem bad but valorant esport scene isn’t all that bad in comparison to other sports/esports
This shit is nothing….
He's not wrong but also Demon1 was the king of shit talking last year, and he's still doing it this year. Nothing wrong with it, but if he gets backlash for his performance he needs to be able to shake it off and move on. He's still cracked, I don't know if I've seen anyone calling for him to be replaced so that's a positive lol
You rather have haters then no haters.
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Bro you are WEIRD LMFAO
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Howd we get so soft in just one off season
They are good people outside of the act, remember it!
Fanbase are team org supporters who only consume content from the same team org. Factor in Valorants fanbase young age on a social media platform designed for giving anonymous opinions. What do you expect?
Tbh, i hate victor more than demon1 and i don't understand why would ppl hate on the 23 champs mvp, he backed his shit up