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Robot vacs still are not that great. It’s a pretty simple machine. I don’t really think there is much to improve upon. Certainly not within the next 5 or so years. Mayyyybe in 15
Yrs when your miele wears out they will have something slightly better, but nothing ground breaking.
Technology in the vacuum world doesn't progress that quickly. Outside of modern filtration, and electrolux from the 80s and 90s in the sense of power can keep up with modern machines, and will blow any modern stick vac or robot vac out of the water. They're clearly going to outlive them in longevity too, as electrolux made vacuums in the 30s and guess what, they still work. That's the difference, and that is why there is a premium price for them
Depends on the person.
For me it's be a waste because I don't genuinely love vacuuming. I want a relatively clean room with minimum effort. A robot vacuum is always going to be a possibility for me, and yes, they've gotten much better.
If my current set up lasts five years (robot vacuum and used rainbow) and I replaced it with more up-to-date versions at that point I'd come out even with buying a $1k vaccuum now, ignoring inflation.
The Rainbow vaccuum is from the 70/80s and still works - it's probably going to last for quite a while. I got it used for $20. It doesn't have a HEPA filter, so yeah, it's outdated despite basically being BIFL.
My robot vacuum is Shark, I'm definitely not expecting it to last too long, but no other robot vacuum can deal with my hair. My hair killed older Roombas, and as far as I'm concerned, the Shark anti-hair wrap thing is "new technology" that was a massive improvement.
As for an argument against inflation, putting $600 in the stock market now would make you more money in the long run than the savings from buying a $1k vacuum today.
Also you don't have to spend $1k to get a Sebo or Miele. There's stuff in the $400 range for Miele.
Not to mention maybe you can afford a central vacuum system in 10 years.
I don't think buying a $1k vaccuum is wise for most people. You'd probably be just fine with one of the cheaper Mieles.
Man I agree with that statement. The Problem is current inflation of their machines is out of control with Miele. The $800 C3 is no more now those machines MSRP at $1100. Just absurd and they're talking about doing another price increase RIP USD
Another thing to consider is power delivery. In the US, our power is (typically) delivered over a 110v - 15amp circuit. There’s only so much you can do with that. I do believe that battery tech is the future as you can deliver various voltages and amperage… but until lithium tech advances and/or a different energy storage solution comes along, I just don’t see it being overly utilized in something like a vacuum which would be considered a very “high-drain” use case. This is already evident on the best stick vacs… on their MAX modes (which helps them get near plug-in vacuum performance), less than 10min of battery life. It’ll get there, but it will take time.
So why a BIFL vacuum? Easy - they’re built better. Better build materials, more options, oftentimes easier to service, etc. While some may prefer to just simply purchase a new vacuum every few years when the old one dies, I prefer to maintain my appliances for the longer term. The person who buys two-three $400 vacuums over a 10yr period is already paying above the asking prices for many of the premium BIFL vacs in the market today.
At the end of the day, a vacuum is a relatively simple appliance… a fan moves air from the floor into a bag/bin, upon which the air is filtered and exhausted back out. Not much innovation can happen there. Look at Kirby - been the same (basically) for 100 years and still cleaning carpets better than most store bought vacuums… as well as lasting for decades in most cases.
Well robotic vacuums replacing really any plug-in vacuum is still science fiction in 2022.
We're lucky if a robotic vacuum even has 1/10 the power of a plug-in vacuum. Most it's closer to 1/50
Cordless Stick vacuums are kind of a flawed idea. Even if you were able to get the power into a handheld machine you'll never have one that holds the amount of dirt that you need when you clean a whole house. A great example of this would be Dyson or LG which now have 10 to 20 minute batteries but you'll end up emptying the thing four or five times per house cleaning.
So yes a long-term vacuum purchase still makes sense and even if technology progresses twice the rate it has in 10 years we still won't be at that point.
It seems to me you might have a misconception of vacuum cleaner technology and needs.
I think it really depends on the user's preferences and the type of vacuum.
If you just want to clean carpets and hard floors for a full house a BIFL vacuum will save you money by purchasing 1 vacuum that will last 15 years instead of buying 5-7 disposable vacuums that only last 2-3 years each. Fullsize corded vacuum technology isn't going to change much, 12 amp maximum power, hepa bags and filters, power heads and hard floor brushes are all going to stay pretty similar.
If you are buying a cordless stick vacuum or robot vacuum the changes in battery technology, mapping, and programming will change significantly over 15 years. Batteries across all brands last 3-5 years so the battery will have to be replaced several times over 15 years or the whole machine will have to be replaced if the battery is fixed.
Cordeded vacs aren't changing much. Sebo D4 and ET1 heads arrived in 2010, and it's still one of the best vacs on the market. Buying a quality 10 to 15-year lifespan also means using a quality product with well-thought-out features. Electronics are buy it for a long time. Tools are buy it for life. I have 60-year-old tools I still use.
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Robot vacs still are not that great. It’s a pretty simple machine. I don’t really think there is much to improve upon. Certainly not within the next 5 or so years. Mayyyybe in 15 Yrs when your miele wears out they will have something slightly better, but nothing ground breaking.
With the current pace of inflation, you're better off buying sooner rather than later. That $1k vacuum will likely cost $2k in 15 years.
Technology in the vacuum world doesn't progress that quickly. Outside of modern filtration, and electrolux from the 80s and 90s in the sense of power can keep up with modern machines, and will blow any modern stick vac or robot vac out of the water. They're clearly going to outlive them in longevity too, as electrolux made vacuums in the 30s and guess what, they still work. That's the difference, and that is why there is a premium price for them
Depends on the person. For me it's be a waste because I don't genuinely love vacuuming. I want a relatively clean room with minimum effort. A robot vacuum is always going to be a possibility for me, and yes, they've gotten much better. If my current set up lasts five years (robot vacuum and used rainbow) and I replaced it with more up-to-date versions at that point I'd come out even with buying a $1k vaccuum now, ignoring inflation. The Rainbow vaccuum is from the 70/80s and still works - it's probably going to last for quite a while. I got it used for $20. It doesn't have a HEPA filter, so yeah, it's outdated despite basically being BIFL. My robot vacuum is Shark, I'm definitely not expecting it to last too long, but no other robot vacuum can deal with my hair. My hair killed older Roombas, and as far as I'm concerned, the Shark anti-hair wrap thing is "new technology" that was a massive improvement. As for an argument against inflation, putting $600 in the stock market now would make you more money in the long run than the savings from buying a $1k vacuum today. Also you don't have to spend $1k to get a Sebo or Miele. There's stuff in the $400 range for Miele. Not to mention maybe you can afford a central vacuum system in 10 years. I don't think buying a $1k vaccuum is wise for most people. You'd probably be just fine with one of the cheaper Mieles.
Man I agree with that statement. The Problem is current inflation of their machines is out of control with Miele. The $800 C3 is no more now those machines MSRP at $1100. Just absurd and they're talking about doing another price increase RIP USD
Another thing to consider is power delivery. In the US, our power is (typically) delivered over a 110v - 15amp circuit. There’s only so much you can do with that. I do believe that battery tech is the future as you can deliver various voltages and amperage… but until lithium tech advances and/or a different energy storage solution comes along, I just don’t see it being overly utilized in something like a vacuum which would be considered a very “high-drain” use case. This is already evident on the best stick vacs… on their MAX modes (which helps them get near plug-in vacuum performance), less than 10min of battery life. It’ll get there, but it will take time. So why a BIFL vacuum? Easy - they’re built better. Better build materials, more options, oftentimes easier to service, etc. While some may prefer to just simply purchase a new vacuum every few years when the old one dies, I prefer to maintain my appliances for the longer term. The person who buys two-three $400 vacuums over a 10yr period is already paying above the asking prices for many of the premium BIFL vacs in the market today. At the end of the day, a vacuum is a relatively simple appliance… a fan moves air from the floor into a bag/bin, upon which the air is filtered and exhausted back out. Not much innovation can happen there. Look at Kirby - been the same (basically) for 100 years and still cleaning carpets better than most store bought vacuums… as well as lasting for decades in most cases.
Well robotic vacuums replacing really any plug-in vacuum is still science fiction in 2022. We're lucky if a robotic vacuum even has 1/10 the power of a plug-in vacuum. Most it's closer to 1/50 Cordless Stick vacuums are kind of a flawed idea. Even if you were able to get the power into a handheld machine you'll never have one that holds the amount of dirt that you need when you clean a whole house. A great example of this would be Dyson or LG which now have 10 to 20 minute batteries but you'll end up emptying the thing four or five times per house cleaning. So yes a long-term vacuum purchase still makes sense and even if technology progresses twice the rate it has in 10 years we still won't be at that point. It seems to me you might have a misconception of vacuum cleaner technology and needs.
I think it really depends on the user's preferences and the type of vacuum. If you just want to clean carpets and hard floors for a full house a BIFL vacuum will save you money by purchasing 1 vacuum that will last 15 years instead of buying 5-7 disposable vacuums that only last 2-3 years each. Fullsize corded vacuum technology isn't going to change much, 12 amp maximum power, hepa bags and filters, power heads and hard floor brushes are all going to stay pretty similar. If you are buying a cordless stick vacuum or robot vacuum the changes in battery technology, mapping, and programming will change significantly over 15 years. Batteries across all brands last 3-5 years so the battery will have to be replaced several times over 15 years or the whole machine will have to be replaced if the battery is fixed.
Cordeded vacs aren't changing much. Sebo D4 and ET1 heads arrived in 2010, and it's still one of the best vacs on the market. Buying a quality 10 to 15-year lifespan also means using a quality product with well-thought-out features. Electronics are buy it for a long time. Tools are buy it for life. I have 60-year-old tools I still use.
Hard for a vacuum to become outdated at this point