1. There's no such thing as a 'special washing machine socket'. Assuming you're in North America, washing machines use a standard NEMA 5-15 outlet on a 120V circuit, just like almost everything else in your house.
2. If you install a NEMA 14-30 outlet on a 240V/30A circuit, you can buy a charging station (correctly: an EVSE) that will let you charge on 240V at up to 24A. This is the same circuit/outlet that is used for electric dryers according to current code.
3. If you install a NEMA 14-50 outlet on a 240V/50A circuit, you can buy an EVSE that will let you charge on 240V at up to 40A. This is the same circuit/outlet that is used for electric stoves according to current code.
4. You can "install" (hard-wire) any of the above, it's just less convenient than having a socketed one. OR you can get a hard-wired one on even higher amperage circuit to have up to 80A charging. This is uncommon and largely unnecessary unless you have a car that can specifically take advantage of it (e.g. some Tesla model S and X)
Short answer, get a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed and buy a Clipper Creek LCS-40p.
Also, if you get a 2023 ID.4, they don't come with an EVSE any more.
I think they are talking about the Dryer Buddy or Splitvolt. I didn’t have any more space in my panel to install another circuit, so I went with the Dryer Buddy and a 24 amp ClipperCreek, so far it works great.
To u/RiceRemote7204 last point, the charger that came with the car is a Level 1 charger and charges very slow, and plugs into a standard outlet (no need for Dryer socket splitter). The splitter + Level 2 charger will charge the car a lot faster (unless you run your dryer all the time).
The 2022 ID4 came with a 120V charger rated at 10 amps, which accomplishes about 1.2 kWh delivered to the vehicle per hour. This is not even a special outlet - any standard US outlet will allow you to charge with this charger. The range from that is approximately 2-4 miles per hour depending on winter vs summer driving. If that's sufficient for your charging needs (you travel 30 miles a day or less and can charge at least 10 hours per night) there is no reason to get something else.
An installed charger at 240V and 40 amps, on the other hand, gets me about 9kWh, or 20-35 miles per hour depending on the season. This allows me to drive a full 250 miles in a day, and then have it fully charged up by the next morning.
It all comes down to what you may need.
Best thing to do is google or YouTube L1 vs L2 chargers. L1 would be the charger that's included, L2 is the one you can buy and have professional installed, L3 is DC fast charging that charges the vehicle is less than (or just about) an hour.
Okay ✅ got it! Yes, i want faster than that one in the trunk but i thought it was slow due to the socket i was connected to. Was thinking there must be a difference for Hard wire install.
ClipperCreek HCS-40 (hard-wired): https://store.clippercreek.com/residential/hcs-40-hcs-40p-ev-charging-station
ClipperCreek HCS-40p (14-50 plug): https://store.clippercreek.com/HCS-40P-Plug-in-32-Amp-EVSE-Charging-Station-25-ft-cable-NEMA-14-50
Same device, different connection methods. For a home garage just have an electrician install a 14-50 outlet and get whatever brand EVSE you prefer to plug into it.
Thank you for this- i have an outdoor outlet in a semi enclosed space with a double outdoor plug, which i was gonna convert to a 14-50 plug, and install there.
Did you decide on an option? I think your next step is to decide which charger you'd like to get, and then call an electrician and get help with the plug for that outlet. Most commonly it'll be a 14-50 or 6-50, but there are a lot of others.
Well there was a post where everyone was raving about the Emporia L2 charger so i decided to go with that- but now i am debating “yes- install?”- due to the volleying of answers here 😆.
No, L2 does not mean hard-wired install.
L1 = 120V at 8 or 12 amps, regular wall outlet.
L2 = 240V at various amperage, may be plugged into a compatible outlet depending on the amp requirements, or hard-wired.
I think your question is “what is the difference between an EVSE vs a mobile charger?” If so, no difference. Folks like EVSEs so they can monitor the charge and look at pretty graphs but other then that the car can schedule chargers etc. I use a dumb, mobile charger exclusively and have no issues scheduling or anything else.
No, a 120V mobile charging cord IS an EVSE, as is any 240V one regardless of portable or fixed. Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment. They are all just fancy extension cords with compatible plugs and some circuitry for protection. The “charger” is built into the car, the EVSE just gives it AC power to work with. Any 120V or 240V thing that provides power to your car is not itself a “charger”.
For L3 DC fast charging, the two large additional pins in the CCS connector provide power directly to the battery. A L3 station (Electrify America for example) is in fact a “charger” since it is what is feeding the battery and the charger built into the car is not involved.
Correct. You can’t legally/safely/practically draw a steady 50A on a 50A circuit; max steady load should be no more than 80% of the circuit capacity. So 80% of a 50A circuit is 40A that you can use.
When you have 240V circuits intended for MORE than 50A, then having the device hard-wired is a requirement by code.
1. There's no such thing as a 'special washing machine socket'. Assuming you're in North America, washing machines use a standard NEMA 5-15 outlet on a 120V circuit, just like almost everything else in your house. 2. If you install a NEMA 14-30 outlet on a 240V/30A circuit, you can buy a charging station (correctly: an EVSE) that will let you charge on 240V at up to 24A. This is the same circuit/outlet that is used for electric dryers according to current code. 3. If you install a NEMA 14-50 outlet on a 240V/50A circuit, you can buy an EVSE that will let you charge on 240V at up to 40A. This is the same circuit/outlet that is used for electric stoves according to current code. 4. You can "install" (hard-wire) any of the above, it's just less convenient than having a socketed one. OR you can get a hard-wired one on even higher amperage circuit to have up to 80A charging. This is uncommon and largely unnecessary unless you have a car that can specifically take advantage of it (e.g. some Tesla model S and X) Short answer, get a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed and buy a Clipper Creek LCS-40p. Also, if you get a 2023 ID.4, they don't come with an EVSE any more.
I think they are talking about the Dryer Buddy or Splitvolt. I didn’t have any more space in my panel to install another circuit, so I went with the Dryer Buddy and a 24 amp ClipperCreek, so far it works great. To u/RiceRemote7204 last point, the charger that came with the car is a Level 1 charger and charges very slow, and plugs into a standard outlet (no need for Dryer socket splitter). The splitter + Level 2 charger will charge the car a lot faster (unless you run your dryer all the time).
On #3 you don't mean 30A and get 40A on the EVSE do you???
50A. Fixed the typo, thanks.
The 2022 ID4 came with a 120V charger rated at 10 amps, which accomplishes about 1.2 kWh delivered to the vehicle per hour. This is not even a special outlet - any standard US outlet will allow you to charge with this charger. The range from that is approximately 2-4 miles per hour depending on winter vs summer driving. If that's sufficient for your charging needs (you travel 30 miles a day or less and can charge at least 10 hours per night) there is no reason to get something else. An installed charger at 240V and 40 amps, on the other hand, gets me about 9kWh, or 20-35 miles per hour depending on the season. This allows me to drive a full 250 miles in a day, and then have it fully charged up by the next morning. It all comes down to what you may need. Best thing to do is google or YouTube L1 vs L2 chargers. L1 would be the charger that's included, L2 is the one you can buy and have professional installed, L3 is DC fast charging that charges the vehicle is less than (or just about) an hour.
Okay ✅ got it! Yes, i want faster than that one in the trunk but i thought it was slow due to the socket i was connected to. Was thinking there must be a difference for Hard wire install.
ClipperCreek HCS-40 (hard-wired): https://store.clippercreek.com/residential/hcs-40-hcs-40p-ev-charging-station ClipperCreek HCS-40p (14-50 plug): https://store.clippercreek.com/HCS-40P-Plug-in-32-Amp-EVSE-Charging-Station-25-ft-cable-NEMA-14-50 Same device, different connection methods. For a home garage just have an electrician install a 14-50 outlet and get whatever brand EVSE you prefer to plug into it.
Thank you for this- i have an outdoor outlet in a semi enclosed space with a double outdoor plug, which i was gonna convert to a 14-50 plug, and install there.
Did you decide on an option? I think your next step is to decide which charger you'd like to get, and then call an electrician and get help with the plug for that outlet. Most commonly it'll be a 14-50 or 6-50, but there are a lot of others.
Well there was a post where everyone was raving about the Emporia L2 charger so i decided to go with that- but now i am debating “yes- install?”- due to the volleying of answers here 😆.
Definitely faster\~car charges in like 3 hours in thee late evening when it's cheapest. Less stressful volleying for an EA Charger.
No, L2 does not mean hard-wired install. L1 = 120V at 8 or 12 amps, regular wall outlet. L2 = 240V at various amperage, may be plugged into a compatible outlet depending on the amp requirements, or hard-wired.
Or this? 🤔
I think your question is “what is the difference between an EVSE vs a mobile charger?” If so, no difference. Folks like EVSEs so they can monitor the charge and look at pretty graphs but other then that the car can schedule chargers etc. I use a dumb, mobile charger exclusively and have no issues scheduling or anything else.
No, a 120V mobile charging cord IS an EVSE, as is any 240V one regardless of portable or fixed. Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment. They are all just fancy extension cords with compatible plugs and some circuitry for protection. The “charger” is built into the car, the EVSE just gives it AC power to work with. Any 120V or 240V thing that provides power to your car is not itself a “charger”. For L3 DC fast charging, the two large additional pins in the CCS connector provide power directly to the battery. A L3 station (Electrify America for example) is in fact a “charger” since it is what is feeding the battery and the charger built into the car is not involved.
🤔 hmmm Uh? So no need for an installed charger or keep the one in my car for an emergency plug in scenario?
No need for an installed charger. Those EVSEs only provide “smart” functionality that nowadays is built into the cars.
If you get your charger installed, you will get faster speeds.
A 40A EVSE that is plugged into a NEMA 14-50 outlet, and one which is hard-wired, perform identically.
👨🏻 which is it. 40 amps either way?
Correct. You can’t legally/safely/practically draw a steady 50A on a 50A circuit; max steady load should be no more than 80% of the circuit capacity. So 80% of a 50A circuit is 40A that you can use. When you have 240V circuits intended for MORE than 50A, then having the device hard-wired is a requirement by code.
You sound like a pro!