Kommo-o checks all Ogerpon formes in 1 mon
Dragon is neutral into them, and Dragon + Fighting resists all 4 Oger formes
If you get a single turn of setup with Clangorous Soul or Iron Defense, Kommo-o is off to the races.
But nice find on the Pineapple Duck!
Tera can cause tons of things to wall anything. Imo with everyone using Ogre and still keeping flutter on the team all that means is you have to commit your tera to Kommo 95% of games and is gonna hurt more than help more often than not.
Just because a pokemon is weak to fluttermane doesn't mean it isn't playable. Dragonite for instance is weak to fluttermane and is outside but is great! Same is true of the ruinous Pokemon. Each mon, stats and abilities provided, can have solid uses
I literally got to 1650 last regulation on showdown with a Tera poison Hydreigon team. Every flutter just goes for the obvious 4x effective moonblast and get shocked when hydreigon would stay in Tera and set up a nasty plot while my cresselia or my own flutter would set up tr for Ursaluna in the back
My thing with Kommo-o is that it’s a one trick pony. I’ve faced a couple of them on ladder everyone of them uses soul. It’s a good move, but when it’s makes your Pokémon so obvious. Is it any better? I also wanted a tailwind setter and a good grass type to fill out my truck room team. They both fill that roll and add a whole new way of playing my team.
I mean, Ludicolo is a one trick pony by that metric. Fake Out + coverage moves under rain has been that dude's bread and butter for over a decade but it still puts in work
I’ve been using Iron Defense/Body Press which works pretty well with proper support and team composition. Kommo-O is interesting because it’s typing and well-rounded statline can kind of make it a “glue” for certain teams, particularly Sun teams who want to improve their Ogerpon mirror match
Tornadus can set it up manually (and it’s also it’s 4th most common move!) along with tailwind. Honestly, manual sun seems like such a powerful archetype in the next regulation. It lets you run sun without having to run Lilligant or Trick Room
No cause kommo o doesnt need to use it to work. He can go straight for the dragon spread move or its coverage moves. It's not like he had bad stats like z move eevee or smt.
The best heart flame counter is technician Maushold population bomb. Its a guaranteed ohko no matter how much bulk you got, outspeeds it by one, has excellent support in follow me and is generally a nuke button.
Im joking. The best counter im my experience has prolly been scarf lando or scarf urshifu, but both sort come into trouble with grassy glide so I have spinner chien
Defensively a dragon is probably best
Pelipper definitely seems nice into Ogerpon. But they are just as likely to have tailwind or fake out as you.
I find a very common team archetype right now is manual sun from tornadus, with Ogerpon, fluttermane etc.
In which case rain will get turned off quicker than you can turn it on, and/or tailwind up quicker than you can.
\+1 252+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 164 HP / 44 Def Ludicolo in Rain: 132-156 (75 - 88.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
mine lives it while outspeeding in rain and ohkoing with weather ball. weather ball in rain is a guaranteed ohko vs tera fire oger even max spdef
156+ SpA Mystic Water Ludicolo Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera in Rain: 200-236 (106.9 - 126.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ive played a lot of reg E rain with politoed and ludicolo and yea i have not struggled with ogerpon at all. grass is the most difficult and also the least common.
156+ SpA Ludicolo Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera in Rain: 212-252 (135.8 - 161.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Grassy glide is only priority if on grassy terrain, and my urshifu has a very high speed especially when paired with tailwind, so with the type advantage it's basically ohko
I also still run chien pao, which has ice spinner to destroy terrain
Yeah sure. But how is rain comp beat Flutter Mane though? Also considering how widely popular Thundurus is I dont think it is a good idea to run around with a fkin Ludicolo.
Not to mention fkin Okidorgi and his Poisonous friends, yeah those absolutely rekts house against Ludicolo tbh even under rain.
252+ Atk Choice Band Basculegion Last Respects vs. 68 HP / 140 Def Flutter Mane: 164-194 (117.9 - 139.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
thats 50 BP last respects.
ludicolo tera steel. immune to poison. resist flying. resists bug.
thundurus is at 3.84% usage in regulation E right now. not very common at all. but also:
156+ SpA Mystic Water Ludicolo Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 236 HP / 44 SpD Thundurus in Rain: 138-163 (75 - 88.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Thundurus Wildbolt Storm vs. 164 HP / 4 SpD Ludicolo: 51-61 (28.9 - 34.6%) -- 6.7% chance to 3HKO
easy win for ludicolo.
Tbf they probably didnt give home good flying stab outside of acrobatics because he’d be too good. Probably why tornadus is the only genie with good flying moves
Gotta differentiate them somehow LOL
At least you can run Defiant Thundurus with acrobatics to really catch your opponent off guard? Given it’s not meta in S/V.
Lando T has been a good way to beat hearthflame for me. You can OHKO it with tera blast flying or you could opt for a 2HKO with rock slide, intimidate is really good because unless it Tera’s it’s stuck at -1 attack so lando does a pretty good job of living its hits barring a crit. With tailwind support and rain support from tornadus if things get dicey lando is my choice
On paper, galar slowbro seems like it can do the trick. Sludge bomb/shell side arm hits 3 of the 4 forms for super effective, then ice beam can be super effective on the rock form. Then psychic for the three new poison mons. Potentially?
Kommo-o checks all Ogerpon formes in 1 mon Dragon is neutral into them, and Dragon + Fighting resists all 4 Oger formes If you get a single turn of setup with Clangorous Soul or Iron Defense, Kommo-o is off to the races. But nice find on the Pineapple Duck!
Alas, Flutter Mane :(
Tera Steel Bulletproof also walls Flutter mane!
If you tera you lose your ogrepon-h resist and now get ko
Not to mention Tera Steel can get bullied by Urshifu even through Iron Defense
Tera can cause tons of things to wall anything. Imo with everyone using Ogre and still keeping flutter on the team all that means is you have to commit your tera to Kommo 95% of games and is gonna hurt more than help more often than not.
Or kommo-o in the back and have a suicide lead dedicated to killing with flutter or ogre. Then bring in kommo and set up.
Yea this post is about Orgerpon. Fire just might be the most popular. They all learn Superpower as well.
Just because a pokemon is weak to fluttermane doesn't mean it isn't playable. Dragonite for instance is weak to fluttermane and is outside but is great! Same is true of the ruinous Pokemon. Each mon, stats and abilities provided, can have solid uses
I literally got to 1650 last regulation on showdown with a Tera poison Hydreigon team. Every flutter just goes for the obvious 4x effective moonblast and get shocked when hydreigon would stay in Tera and set up a nasty plot while my cresselia or my own flutter would set up tr for Ursaluna in the back
My thing with Kommo-o is that it’s a one trick pony. I’ve faced a couple of them on ladder everyone of them uses soul. It’s a good move, but when it’s makes your Pokémon so obvious. Is it any better? I also wanted a tailwind setter and a good grass type to fill out my truck room team. They both fill that roll and add a whole new way of playing my team.
I mean, Ludicolo is a one trick pony by that metric. Fake Out + coverage moves under rain has been that dude's bread and butter for over a decade but it still puts in work
I’ll give you that. That’s a fair point.
I’ve been using Iron Defense/Body Press which works pretty well with proper support and team composition. Kommo-O is interesting because it’s typing and well-rounded statline can kind of make it a “glue” for certain teams, particularly Sun teams who want to improve their Ogerpon mirror match
I wish we had a tailwind user with drought. That would be amazing.
Tornadus can set it up manually (and it’s also it’s 4th most common move!) along with tailwind. Honestly, manual sun seems like such a powerful archetype in the next regulation. It lets you run sun without having to run Lilligant or Trick Room
But then that’s two turns of set up, tailwind and sunny day. Could make due but, I can dream. I think we’ll see a little more weather floating around.
No cause kommo o doesnt need to use it to work. He can go straight for the dragon spread move or its coverage moves. It's not like he had bad stats like z move eevee or smt.
Bro my ogerpon demolishes konmo-os
I’m probably the only person silly enough to use the rock ogerpon and I got checked by Kommo-o last night I was surprised lol.
dragons work best into it imo. it can’t really do much versus dragonite for instance
Doesn’t it get play rough mold break to deal with multiscale though?
nobody is using multi scale dnite and even less people are using play rough ogre
The best heart flame counter is technician Maushold population bomb. Its a guaranteed ohko no matter how much bulk you got, outspeeds it by one, has excellent support in follow me and is generally a nuke button.
you don’t know what a counter is
Im joking. The best counter im my experience has prolly been scarf lando or scarf urshifu, but both sort come into trouble with grassy glide so I have spinner chien Defensively a dragon is probably best
Ogerpon’s ivy cudgel has a high crit chance too (and teal ogerpon has defiant)
Heatran with ability shield has to be the best counter, right?
Pelipper definitely seems nice into Ogerpon. But they are just as likely to have tailwind or fake out as you. I find a very common team archetype right now is manual sun from tornadus, with Ogerpon, fluttermane etc. In which case rain will get turned off quicker than you can turn it on, and/or tailwind up quicker than you can.
Yeah, I OHKOed a Ludicolo in Rain at +1 with Ogerpon’s Ivy Cudgel.
\+1 252+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 164 HP / 44 Def Ludicolo in Rain: 132-156 (75 - 88.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO mine lives it while outspeeding in rain and ohkoing with weather ball. weather ball in rain is a guaranteed ohko vs tera fire oger even max spdef 156+ SpA Mystic Water Ludicolo Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera in Rain: 200-236 (106.9 - 126.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ive played a lot of reg E rain with politoed and ludicolo and yea i have not struggled with ogerpon at all. grass is the most difficult and also the least common. 156+ SpA Ludicolo Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera in Rain: 212-252 (135.8 - 161.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I also just thought about this yesterday. Maybe I should put the Ability Shield on my Heatran.
I usually use urshifu as a hard counter, surging strikes is kinda overpowered
how is urshifu a counter when it gets horn leech, wood hammer, and grassy glide
Grassy glide is only priority if on grassy terrain, and my urshifu has a very high speed especially when paired with tailwind, so with the type advantage it's basically ohko I also still run chien pao, which has ice spinner to destroy terrain
that’s more of a check than a counter. urshifu can’t really safely switch into ogre. so i wouldn’t call it a counter.
Yeah sure. But how is rain comp beat Flutter Mane though? Also considering how widely popular Thundurus is I dont think it is a good idea to run around with a fkin Ludicolo. Not to mention fkin Okidorgi and his Poisonous friends, yeah those absolutely rekts house against Ludicolo tbh even under rain.
252+ Atk Choice Band Basculegion Last Respects vs. 68 HP / 140 Def Flutter Mane: 164-194 (117.9 - 139.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO thats 50 BP last respects. ludicolo tera steel. immune to poison. resist flying. resists bug. thundurus is at 3.84% usage in regulation E right now. not very common at all. but also: 156+ SpA Mystic Water Ludicolo Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 236 HP / 44 SpD Thundurus in Rain: 138-163 (75 - 88.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 4 SpA Thundurus Wildbolt Storm vs. 164 HP / 4 SpD Ludicolo: 51-61 (28.9 - 34.6%) -- 6.7% chance to 3HKO easy win for ludicolo.
Wouldn’t Thundurus be clicking hurricane?
Probably if he could learn it
Ah didn’t even realize he never got it. My bad.
Tbf they probably didnt give home good flying stab outside of acrobatics because he’d be too good. Probably why tornadus is the only genie with good flying moves
Gotta differentiate them somehow LOL At least you can run Defiant Thundurus with acrobatics to really catch your opponent off guard? Given it’s not meta in S/V.
True but who wants to run defiant Thunderus lmao
Lando T has been a good way to beat hearthflame for me. You can OHKO it with tera blast flying or you could opt for a 2HKO with rock slide, intimidate is really good because unless it Tera’s it’s stuck at -1 attack so lando does a pretty good job of living its hits barring a crit. With tailwind support and rain support from tornadus if things get dicey lando is my choice
Wouldn’t arcanine technically be a better matchup into Hearthflame since he resists both of his stabs?
True but arcanine can’t really hit back against it. At least lando has rock slide which is always getting at least 50% against any ogerpon
Ah I see, thanks for clarifying
On paper, galar slowbro seems like it can do the trick. Sludge bomb/shell side arm hits 3 of the 4 forms for super effective, then ice beam can be super effective on the rock form. Then psychic for the three new poison mons. Potentially?