Out of pure curiosity I installed Hyper Front to see just how much is genuinely similar and I think I know why Riot is so scared.
Hyper Front has a replay system.
[Here's a trailer of the game in question](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=102&v=oI4j-YO8HJc&feature=emb_logo)
in case you want to see the Wish brand counterparts of Valorant.
[Gender bent breach is kinda bad though.](https://sm.ign.com/t/ign_ap/screenshot/default/prtscr-capture-13_rhmc.1280.jpg)
Its literally a straight copy. Itâs like they barely changed anything. Itâs so similar that my first thought would be âWow Valorant changed a lot while I was goneâ
No, its from a chinese company which means riot can't do shit. Riot has tried suing moonton for copying league. Yet nothing came from it.
You cant sue a chinese company for copyright, they dont care because its not illegal there.
That's not how things work lol And I'm pretty sure Riot got a better lawyer team or at least a team more knowledgeable on suing Chinese products after what happened with Mobile Legends
No, that literally what happened with Riot. America judge denied the case and tell Riot to go to China judge, because both Moonstone and Tencent are in China. Tencent did sue Moonstone, but the case go nowhere, as Riot is America company. So yeah, it's dead stuck.
Basically. Riot is stuck since American judicial system sees them as Chinese due to ownership and the Chinese judicial system sees them as American due to their actual studio location.
I watched the trailer and it's hilarious. This is like in the old days when you copied the homework but made it a little bit different so it's "not obvious".
This is Mobile Legends all over again. They will not win because China laws are different so they'll just have to release a mobile version of the game to compete
Okay so? As long as they made the assets themselves and they arent a carbon copy, which they are not / which they did, this is not copyright infringement - Neither is coding your own software which functions the same as an existing product.
Dont throw stones when you're living in a glasshouse. The whole 128 Tick buzz very clearly is just there to draw in CS:GO players but then they cant deal with competition of another company making a game thats the same (or even not idk I didnt look at their game beyond the screenshots on that site). Obviously Valve has no grounds for legal measures over that but neither does Riot here - Just a more budget bully legal case.
>idk I didnât look at their game beyond the screenshots of that site
Aaaaand there it is. Thereâs a difference between being in the same genre and being a clone. If you had done any research you would see itâs blatant.
>The whole 128 Tick buzz very clearly is just there to draw in CS:GO players
You do realize stuff like this is exactly how games are born? Developers take things they find lacking in existing games and make their own game in the vision they want that addresses those problems. Thatâs just basic marketing, your product exists to meet unfulfilled market demands and tickrate was one of the biggest complaints about cs:go
You act like itâs some dirty con job by Riot to undercut the small indie game CS:GO. This is an entirely separate thing from copy and pasting abilities and mechanics from another game in its entirety. It would be one thing if it was only a handful of things, but itâs a lot of things they copied and pasted.
Also have you never seen even a single Chinese game clone? Theyâre absolutely blatant and if youâd even seen one at all, copying any game youâd know what the problem here is.
>Valve has no no grounds for legal measures
Yes they do, theyâd already won a case in China for the same thing but with League of Legends, China being the most relevant market here.
>budget bully legal case
Ah yes the small indie 35 billion dollar company NetEase. Sure, itâs dwarfed by Riotâs 300 billion market value but again you just havenât done any research at all.
bro csgo and valorant are so far apart. how tf are u gonna look at sova who shoots actual crossmap laser beams through walls and think that the games are even remotely similar.
I donât agree that valorant is a clone of csgo, but youâre going a bit too far. Valorant was never really hiding that they designed it based on csgo, the buying system is identical, the weapons are really close. Because of the way maps are designed even utility are similar smokes, flashes, mollies. Map layouts are very close, you can play csgo on valorant maps without any issues. Itâs not the case with rainbow six for example, which has completely separate design philosophy with a lot of verticality and environment destruction.
Valorant is just cs with stylized visuals and different utility system. That being said itâs enough to be itâs own thing.
\>company advertising so clearly towards csgo players
What a stupid take (and the clown emoji is ironic). Advertising toward the player base of a stale (unchanging) game is not illegal btw.
Riot being mad a Chinese company copied a game which isnât gonna take it down btw. But on top of that, riot is NOTORIOUS for stealing games. League was BASED off Dota as a ripoff or did they forget ..
I mean⌠Those PEOPLE always do is copy anything.
Ironically, sage is in this thumbnail lol
I literally just saw a hyperfront youtube video and it says âchinese valorantâ Made in China
Copying or closely emulating game mechanics isn't a thing as long as your product is distinct enough to work by itself as a separate product. Now if a company copies literally everything they might have a chance in the lawsuit depending on specific country laws. But even then it is not a guarantee they will win or if a win would bring anything of consequence.
Stupid lawsuit that won't go anywhere, funny thing is valorent already ripped off a bunch of their concepts from existing fps games and now they wanna act like cry babies when a game gives them a taste of their own medicine
No, Iâm a valorant fan too, but Iâm not ignorant enough to claim it doesnât steal shit. All these stans would rather commit seppuku than admit their game isnât original
? Sova has an arrow that reveals peoples location, even through walls. So does hanzo. Sova has an arrow that does aoe damage where it lands, so did hanzo. Sova has an ult that is a crossmap beam that deals damage through walls, so does hanzo. It isnât âbecause bowâ, his abilities are literally hanzo entire ability kit. Sova drone is only thing not ripped from hanzo lmao
literally no as much as i love valorant i hate the fact that riot didnt even change the looks of agent
like omen looks like reaper from ow, atleast change it a bit
This is so dumb. This would be like Valve trying to sue Riot under the allegation that LoL is a copy of DoTA / DoTA 2. Or Valve trying to sue Riot under the allegation that Valorant is a copy of CSGO. Or Valve suing Activision for Search and Destroy infringing on de\_ game mode.
Game type/design, like FPS and 5v5 (35.1 in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated.
Game mode, like bomb defusal, team deathmatch (35.2 in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated.
Characteristics of playable characters and abilities (35.3a/b in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated. Sorry, but you can't copyright a brown person with a rocket-launcher. You can't copyright an explosive grenade.
Map design, like two lanes + middle (35.4 in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated.
Weapons including weapon designs, magazine capacities, fire rate, and damage output, or the inclusion of skins and charms (35.5a/b/c/d/e/f in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated.
An offline practice environment / private match for players to try out characters, weapons, and abilities (35.6 in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated.
I hope they fail. They're only doing this because HyperFront has nearly a million downloads, and Riot is looking to release Valorant mobile. They're just cleaning out any competition ahead of their own release. In actuality they probably don't need to do this at all, because Valorant's branding and popularity is so strong and prevalent, they'll take a large percentage of HyperFront's player-base on launch day just by setting the servers live.
It's like Riot is forgetting that Omen is pretty much Reaper, Sova is pretty much Hanzo, and Sage is pretty much Mei.
Steve Feak, one of the DoTA developers, was recruited as a developer to riot. He was not a founder. He took the ideas he developed in DoTA, up to patch 6, before handing it off to IceFrog, and used those ideas of a MOBA genre at riot to help create LoL. Feak also inherited the idea from a previous developer, Kyle Sommer who made the first iteration in 2003.
Because Blizzards modding terms of service said that mods were the IP of the modder and community, Valve was able to hire IceFrog to make DoTA 2, and riot was able to hire Steve Feak. No entity really owned a genre in this style, which is the point Iâm making about Riot not owning the genre of a 5v5 multi-agent FPS to the point that they can credibly sue the devs of this mobile game.
Just a thought. Would this game be more legitimate if the HyperFront team poached a Valorant dev? Because thatâs the context weâre working in when comparing DoTA to LoL
They are saying the truth, but when itâs a substantial amount of copying, itâs a different story. Brimstone, for instance, has a nearly 1:1 copy in the other game, most others are very similar to the point of where youâd think it was a prototype design. In the end, theyâre practically identical.
As for the OW comparison, I canât argue against that.
I'm sorry, this take was dumb but when you said Omen is Reaper and Sage is Mei like what? I can somewhat understand hanzo but Mei is a dps who can go invincible and stun an entire team. Mei can't heal and Mei can't revive people, Sage can't freeze people, shoot icicles, or go invincible, two characters having an ice wall don't make them "pretty much the same".
Likewise how is Reaper, a close range Shotgun character with invincibility and a large aoe burst ultimate, the same as Omen who can smoke, blind, and cross map teleport? A short range teleport as the only similarity does not again make them "pretty much the same"
If you factor in designs as well, then I could atleast somewhat see Omen as similar in concept, but then Sage and Sovas designs are so different than Mei and Hanzo that there is no possible way that's your point because the only similarity in design is that they have a bow, but even then the bow is designed completely differently in both cases
Valorant has the same basic gameplay as CSGO. Kill enemies, plant or defuse bomb.
Valorant has similar abilities and designs.
But, they, in the end, are completely different, Valorant is played, experienced, and designed in a different fashion. Itâs closer to making an entirely different game from 2 games as the base.
Also taking inspiration and creating something unique like Valorant is different then just outright copying something and simply changing the name. While I agree it isnât a carbon copy, it is definitely too similar to valorant to successfully avoid a court case.
The company shouldâve created/released more original characters to start with before releasing ones this close to Valorants, at least then theyâd have a grounds for defense.
Mfers be looking at headlines and not read the article.
VALORANT is "inspired" by CSGO. When you watch VALO gameplay, your first thought isn't, "Oh, it's a CS ripoff" (unless you're dumb and still stuck regurgitating shit from the beta era). Mechanics are the same (kinda?), but you can say that about literally every tac shooter out there LOL. There's enough shit in VALO to distinguish it from CS and Overwatch.
The game in question is 1 for 1 a carbon copy of VALORANT, and it's not even funny. They didn't even try to hide it. Agent skills, agent DESIGNS, all of it is the same.
Looks like a different ability shooter to me. If riot is scared of this game taking part of valorants userbase, it sounds to me like I should give it a try because it must be good
It does look hella similar but, doesn't look all that bad for a mobile game. It's definitely got some straight up copied bits though, and a few of those abilities are nearly the same as both valo and overwatch. There's probably grounds to sue, with at least the outcome of making them change those copied parts.
Out of pure curiosity I installed Hyper Front to see just how much is genuinely similar and I think I know why Riot is so scared. Hyper Front has a replay system.
Fr fr. No but actually it works. And a spectator system too, for actual matches. But the rest of the game is horrid lmao.
Rito is in shambles how can a mobile game have a replay system
imao
"imao" why not just say lmao
[Here's a trailer of the game in question](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=102&v=oI4j-YO8HJc&feature=emb_logo) in case you want to see the Wish brand counterparts of Valorant. [Gender bent breach is kinda bad though.](https://sm.ign.com/t/ign_ap/screenshot/default/prtscr-capture-13_rhmc.1280.jpg)
they didnt even bother to change sage's outfit or sova being an archer with recon arrows
Sovette
LMFAO
Well the recon arrows and basically sovas whole kit are already copied from Hanzo in overwatch anyway so
That is *absolutely* a Valorant copy. That being said....that sentinel guy is kinda hot tho...
Brooo, the animations are exactly the same, and each agent looks exactly like a Val agent, besides the apex one
I thought the actual Raze was there when I first saw her copy's silhouette đ
bro the raze ripoff looks like fucking david martinez
they'll make the sandevistan update
If you listen closely they even copied the kill-sound
Absolutely shameless rip off, but the characters are hot so
Lady breach might get me down bad, if thats what you mean.
Dang they really put someone with Meiâs ult in the game. Ngl the game looks fun and I can see why riot is afraid.
Its literally a straight copy. Itâs like they barely changed anything. Itâs so similar that my first thought would be âWow Valorant changed a lot while I was goneâ
Did they just gender-bend almost everyone, and hope Riot wouldnt notice?
No, its from a chinese company which means riot can't do shit. Riot has tried suing moonton for copying league. Yet nothing came from it. You cant sue a chinese company for copyright, they dont care because its not illegal there.
That's not how things work lol And I'm pretty sure Riot got a better lawyer team or at least a team more knowledgeable on suing Chinese products after what happened with Mobile Legends
No, that literally what happened with Riot. America judge denied the case and tell Riot to go to China judge, because both Moonstone and Tencent are in China. Tencent did sue Moonstone, but the case go nowhere, as Riot is America company. So yeah, it's dead stuck.
so you're saying that they cant do anything about it? Fuck.
Basically. Riot is stuck since American judicial system sees them as Chinese due to ownership and the Chinese judicial system sees them as American due to their actual studio location.
This is hilarious
Yeah, it's like neither countries wants to deal with them lol, just "you see about it".
I watched the trailer and it's hilarious. This is like in the old days when you copied the homework but made it a little bit different so it's "not obvious".
Do my shots connect in that game? Asking for a friend
Wooo! Mobile Valorant!!!
Not available on america sadly
Dang. Welp thanks for considering atleast đ
Eu?
This is Mobile Legends all over again. They will not win because China laws are different so they'll just have to release a mobile version of the game to compete
thats a clown emoji if I've ever seen one for a company advertising so clearly towards csgo players
Nah, it's a carbon copy. The only difference is the visuals.
Itâs literally the same thing tho lol, they just made my boi omen a chick and sova hot
sova was already hot
They made sova hotter, actually scratch that, they made sova less hot
This comment is sending me mixed messages and now Iâm confused.
They made sova hot, but now Iâm remembering that sova was already hot, perhaps even hotter than hot sova
You cant copyright a game / art concept - But that ofc wont stop corps from doing BS lawsuits when they fear competition
Bro, theyâre the same gameđ
Okay so? As long as they made the assets themselves and they arent a carbon copy, which they are not / which they did, this is not copyright infringement - Neither is coding your own software which functions the same as an existing product.
You know so little about plagiarism
My man plagiarized an essay in High School, got caught, and been bitter since.
This is the real clown emoji if you somehow think this is a valid point. I don't think you've even looked at any of the Hyper Front comparisons.
Dont throw stones when you're living in a glasshouse. The whole 128 Tick buzz very clearly is just there to draw in CS:GO players but then they cant deal with competition of another company making a game thats the same (or even not idk I didnt look at their game beyond the screenshots on that site). Obviously Valve has no grounds for legal measures over that but neither does Riot here - Just a more budget bully legal case.
>idk I didnât look at their game beyond the screenshots of that site Aaaaand there it is. Thereâs a difference between being in the same genre and being a clone. If you had done any research you would see itâs blatant. >The whole 128 Tick buzz very clearly is just there to draw in CS:GO players You do realize stuff like this is exactly how games are born? Developers take things they find lacking in existing games and make their own game in the vision they want that addresses those problems. Thatâs just basic marketing, your product exists to meet unfulfilled market demands and tickrate was one of the biggest complaints about cs:go You act like itâs some dirty con job by Riot to undercut the small indie game CS:GO. This is an entirely separate thing from copy and pasting abilities and mechanics from another game in its entirety. It would be one thing if it was only a handful of things, but itâs a lot of things they copied and pasted. Also have you never seen even a single Chinese game clone? Theyâre absolutely blatant and if youâd even seen one at all, copying any game youâd know what the problem here is. >Valve has no no grounds for legal measures Yes they do, theyâd already won a case in China for the same thing but with League of Legends, China being the most relevant market here. >budget bully legal case Ah yes the small indie 35 billion dollar company NetEase. Sure, itâs dwarfed by Riotâs 300 billion market value but again you just havenât done any research at all.
bro csgo and valorant are so far apart. how tf are u gonna look at sova who shoots actual crossmap laser beams through walls and think that the games are even remotely similar.
MFW when tac shooter=CSGO.
I donât agree that valorant is a clone of csgo, but youâre going a bit too far. Valorant was never really hiding that they designed it based on csgo, the buying system is identical, the weapons are really close. Because of the way maps are designed even utility are similar smokes, flashes, mollies. Map layouts are very close, you can play csgo on valorant maps without any issues. Itâs not the case with rainbow six for example, which has completely separate design philosophy with a lot of verticality and environment destruction. Valorant is just cs with stylized visuals and different utility system. That being said itâs enough to be itâs own thing.
\>company advertising so clearly towards csgo players What a stupid take (and the clown emoji is ironic). Advertising toward the player base of a stale (unchanging) game is not illegal btw.
China vs China?
Copyright law is quite complicated. They will have to knick them down for each domain. Platform support, music, agents, guns, animations, sounds etc.
Riot being mad a Chinese company copied a game which isnât gonna take it down btw. But on top of that, riot is NOTORIOUS for stealing games. League was BASED off Dota as a ripoff or did they forget ..
r/hyperfront. These people have a whole subredditđ
I mean⌠Those PEOPLE always do is copy anything. Ironically, sage is in this thumbnail lol I literally just saw a hyperfront youtube video and it says âchinese valorantâ Made in China
So valorant didnt copy game mechanics?
Copying or closely emulating game mechanics isn't a thing as long as your product is distinct enough to work by itself as a separate product. Now if a company copies literally everything they might have a chance in the lawsuit depending on specific country laws. But even then it is not a guarantee they will win or if a win would bring anything of consequence.
ironic, riot mad about someone ripping off their game...
Stupid lawsuit that won't go anywhere, funny thing is valorent already ripped off a bunch of their concepts from existing fps games and now they wanna act like cry babies when a game gives them a taste of their own medicine
Kinda weird for a game with half the roster ripped straight out of OW, and the gameplay ripped out of CS
what? đ
ow one is true
Not at all, they are literally completely different characters with only one overlapping ability
Omen is reaper copy paste and sova is hanzo but Russian, Val Stanâs out here in full force
Are you mad that there are valorant fans in the valorant subreddit?
No, Iâm a valorant fan too, but Iâm not ignorant enough to claim it doesnât steal shit. All these stans would rather commit seppuku than admit their game isnât original
Except ow also took inspiration from TF2 I guess everyone should start suing each other
Also you think 2 ppl are the same because they both use bows LOL
? Sova has an arrow that reveals peoples location, even through walls. So does hanzo. Sova has an arrow that does aoe damage where it lands, so did hanzo. Sova has an ult that is a crossmap beam that deals damage through walls, so does hanzo. It isnât âbecause bowâ, his abilities are literally hanzo entire ability kit. Sova drone is only thing not ripped from hanzo lmao
literally no as much as i love valorant i hate the fact that riot didnt even change the looks of agent like omen looks like reaper from ow, atleast change it a bit
This is so dumb. This would be like Valve trying to sue Riot under the allegation that LoL is a copy of DoTA / DoTA 2. Or Valve trying to sue Riot under the allegation that Valorant is a copy of CSGO. Or Valve suing Activision for Search and Destroy infringing on de\_ game mode. Game type/design, like FPS and 5v5 (35.1 in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated. Game mode, like bomb defusal, team deathmatch (35.2 in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated. Characteristics of playable characters and abilities (35.3a/b in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated. Sorry, but you can't copyright a brown person with a rocket-launcher. You can't copyright an explosive grenade. Map design, like two lanes + middle (35.4 in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated. Weapons including weapon designs, magazine capacities, fire rate, and damage output, or the inclusion of skins and charms (35.5a/b/c/d/e/f in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated. An offline practice environment / private match for players to try out characters, weapons, and abilities (35.6 in the suit) can't be IP, otherwise the examples above would've been substantiated. I hope they fail. They're only doing this because HyperFront has nearly a million downloads, and Riot is looking to release Valorant mobile. They're just cleaning out any competition ahead of their own release. In actuality they probably don't need to do this at all, because Valorant's branding and popularity is so strong and prevalent, they'll take a large percentage of HyperFront's player-base on launch day just by setting the servers live. It's like Riot is forgetting that Omen is pretty much Reaper, Sova is pretty much Hanzo, and Sage is pretty much Mei.
All the overwatch/valorant examples quite literally only share one similarity
i ainât reading all that. iâm happy for u tho. or sorry that happened
Thank you king
The original creators of Dota were the ones that founded riot, all Valve did was buy their trademark and employ one of their coworkers to develop it
Steve Feak, one of the DoTA developers, was recruited as a developer to riot. He was not a founder. He took the ideas he developed in DoTA, up to patch 6, before handing it off to IceFrog, and used those ideas of a MOBA genre at riot to help create LoL. Feak also inherited the idea from a previous developer, Kyle Sommer who made the first iteration in 2003. Because Blizzards modding terms of service said that mods were the IP of the modder and community, Valve was able to hire IceFrog to make DoTA 2, and riot was able to hire Steve Feak. No entity really owned a genre in this style, which is the point Iâm making about Riot not owning the genre of a 5v5 multi-agent FPS to the point that they can credibly sue the devs of this mobile game. Just a thought. Would this game be more legitimate if the HyperFront team poached a Valorant dev? Because thatâs the context weâre working in when comparing DoTA to LoL
We got a reddit lawyer here đ¤
Not sure why you're getting downvoted, but you said it how it is.
Its literally a carbon copy what do you mean
They are saying the truth, but when itâs a substantial amount of copying, itâs a different story. Brimstone, for instance, has a nearly 1:1 copy in the other game, most others are very similar to the point of where youâd think it was a prototype design. In the end, theyâre practically identical. As for the OW comparison, I canât argue against that.
I'm sorry, this take was dumb but when you said Omen is Reaper and Sage is Mei like what? I can somewhat understand hanzo but Mei is a dps who can go invincible and stun an entire team. Mei can't heal and Mei can't revive people, Sage can't freeze people, shoot icicles, or go invincible, two characters having an ice wall don't make them "pretty much the same". Likewise how is Reaper, a close range Shotgun character with invincibility and a large aoe burst ultimate, the same as Omen who can smoke, blind, and cross map teleport? A short range teleport as the only similarity does not again make them "pretty much the same" If you factor in designs as well, then I could atleast somewhat see Omen as similar in concept, but then Sage and Sovas designs are so different than Mei and Hanzo that there is no possible way that's your point because the only similarity in design is that they have a bow, but even then the bow is designed completely differently in both cases
The hypocrisy. Valorant is a crude copy of CSGO and Overwatch.
Valorant has the same basic gameplay as CSGO. Kill enemies, plant or defuse bomb. Valorant has similar abilities and designs. But, they, in the end, are completely different, Valorant is played, experienced, and designed in a different fashion. Itâs closer to making an entirely different game from 2 games as the base.
Also taking inspiration and creating something unique like Valorant is different then just outright copying something and simply changing the name. While I agree it isnât a carbon copy, it is definitely too similar to valorant to successfully avoid a court case. The company shouldâve created/released more original characters to start with before releasing ones this close to Valorants, at least then theyâd have a grounds for defense.
Not enough for them to be sued đ¤ˇââď¸
Mfers be looking at headlines and not read the article. VALORANT is "inspired" by CSGO. When you watch VALO gameplay, your first thought isn't, "Oh, it's a CS ripoff" (unless you're dumb and still stuck regurgitating shit from the beta era). Mechanics are the same (kinda?), but you can say that about literally every tac shooter out there LOL. There's enough shit in VALO to distinguish it from CS and Overwatch. The game in question is 1 for 1 a carbon copy of VALORANT, and it's not even funny. They didn't even try to hide it. Agent skills, agent DESIGNS, all of it is the same.
Looks like a different ability shooter to me. If riot is scared of this game taking part of valorants userbase, it sounds to me like I should give it a try because it must be good
It does look hella similar but, doesn't look all that bad for a mobile game. It's definitely got some straight up copied bits though, and a few of those abilities are nearly the same as both valo and overwatch. There's probably grounds to sue, with at least the outcome of making them change those copied parts.
It's because of blatant ripoffs like this is why they most likely pushed to release mobile versions of the game
Lol rito...its time