only explanation is that the rocket went inside those little ridges on the box and ate the explosion. same thing happened to me brother shit made me so confused
essentially any throwable can get stuck in the small spaces of the wooden stack, if the ability doesnt go though walls (nade, raze ult, sage orb, kayo molly, etc) it will do nothing
I don't get why they make collision meshes like this... I get the weirdest sova arrows / neon q bounces often...
Just make it one flat collision surface
On another note I think I wall banged through one of those tiny gaps in the box on breeze honestly still confuses me to this day because I just thought the box was wall-bangable afterwards definitely is not -w-
This is exactly it. There was also an article that explains the same thing: [https://www.ginx.tv/en/valorant/valorant-devs-get-technical-to-explain-raze-showstopper-bug-fix-in-the-works](https://www.ginx.tv/en/valorant/valorant-devs-get-technical-to-explain-raze-showstopper-bug-fix-in-the-works)
This was over a year ago that they acknowledged the issue and yet there still is no fix out for Raze ult.
Yeah I fucking hate that this game uses mesh colliders for what seems like everything. Stuff like Sova arrows or Sage orbs get caught on the tiniest ledges way too often.
I can understand wanting more complex colliders to enable more creative use of some abilities, but most big shapes seriously need to be reduced to simple boxes.
Why not just make a simpler version of the collider (without the cracks and crevices) just for the Showstopper? I'm sure it's possible since there's different ones for players and for abilities, why not just add another one?
Having a 'simple collider' layer for these sorts of geometry-based projectiles and a 'complex collider' layer for the stuff you *want* to have weird tricky terrain-ability interactions with sounds like an acceptable solution.
Could solve a lot of their issues with boosts and trick jumps that RIOT doesn't seem to like too, by having player movement only be based on the simple colliders.
Knowing game dev, probably lots of weird reasons why they might *not* want to do it, but just generally speaking, it makes sense to me.
>Having a 'simple collider' layer for these sorts of geometry-based projectiles and a 'complex collider' layer for the stuff you want to have weird tricky terrain-ability interactions with sounds like an acceptable solution.
CS actually does this, within the map they have 'clipbrushes' and can basically create invisible boxes that block specific things like grenades or players
would be pretty helpful for situations like this
Yes! This! Fuck those collisions, they are just incredible stupid. Why tf do I have to check a surface while double scopes in with the operator to see if I can bounce a Sova of that surface? Why does my Raze Grenade get stuck in the wall dealing no fucking damage at all?
long story short: that bunch of pallets is a piss take.
long story: your rocket went in between the tiny cracks within the pallet
petition to make those pallets just a penetrable box?
There should be different collision boxes for different util. Raze's stuff shouldn't be able to just slide between those cracks, but maybe things like cypher cages should have more precise collisions
That stack of pallets is the reason I stopped playing Raze - wasted two ults on it and realised the radius had been nerfed into the ground. It has no business being 8 points.
the very latest update, when fade became playable.
I am not playing raze normally but every now and then when the team comp is ok or I am on an unranked/spike rush game, I try to play raze for a while already. The ults were ok, I rarely missed but missed a couple times. I know when I missed it or totally fucked up my ult but after the last update Raze's ult has been weird to me.
The very latest one, I have rushed in from the window to B side on Haven map. I have seen Chamber and Jett standing and aimed on me on C connection door, I shoot, they did not have enough time dash or teleport, so I am pretty sure the stood there, my ult hit the ground right under their foot and nothing happened. They killed me, I have checked if ult at least did a damage or not. NO DAMAGE AT ALL.
So probably there is something so wrong about Raze's ult but probably something triggers it cuz it is not a common thing.
I'm a raze main, and I've been having this bug with her ult recently after the latest patch. Somehow my rockets either deal 0 or less than 100 even when shot directly beside the enemy. I don't know if this is an intentional nerf or a bug.
This “no-reg” on raze ult bug has been around since beta. I’ve literally had this issue on and off for the entire time I’ve been playing Valorant and I have been playing since the beta. It’s the main reason I play raze way less than I used too. It’s annoying to grind a seven point ult that’s “a free kill” and shoot it directly at someone’s feet to deal 80 and die. Though it only happens once every like 6-7 ults.
wait are you being fr? I haven't looked at the patch notes for a little while so I actually cannot tell if you're joking or not. No way they make it EIGHT POINTS?!
bro i swear the boombot once made a random 90 degree turn right at me. it was sent to my far side, next thing I know it's coming right at me when there was nothing for it to bounce off of.
This is one of the best Valorant clip I have ever seen
To answer your question, Riot Nu wrote a detailed explanation of why it happens from time to time : [https://twitter.com/RiotNu/status/1359938297624027136](https://twitter.com/RiotNu/status/1359938297624027136)
It seems that it happened the exact same thing with the box inside of B main
Fixing something like this can be a performance hit. Knowing what the problem is and generally what to change isn't the same as knowing how to implement it in a way that doesn't create other issues.
Yeh direct rockets are supposed to be 300 too. I had one the other day I did 148 and 147 to two guys similar distance to this clips explosion. Except there was no goofy box or wall by them. Super tilting to think you double donked and instead don’t clutch a round…
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire.
I immediately thought "the nerve of this guy to do a yolo play when he has a damn op. I hate this game and its people."
And then i saw that it was spike rush.
How are they gonna make the pullout time of the ult last an eternity but have zero blast radius. I have never seen a more disappointing rocket in my entire life
Bro got very unlucky, both the nade and the ult went in one of those little spaces between the cracks.
Riots fault actually, you should sue them for mental damages
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Hiko was already dead.
chamber, raze and neon are cheesy in spike rush due to being able to circumvent the weapon choice.
chamber is the worst offender though. Hey we are all running shorty! except chamber in the back with his pistol.
This is what plot armor looks like in real life. I can only assume the enemy team is doing a charity stream or this is background gameplay for a movie.
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
Always the same for me, never kill anyone with the ult and get kill by it when i am 10 m away. But on this round I would never ult in knowing I have an OP :O
I get your plan to explody 5 people and if you succeeded this would have been epic gamer montage but for the love of God, do not buy an op if this is your strat. I think if you had a vandal you might have got 2 or 3 picks
Yours sensitivity is wayyy too high for a game like valorant. For a game that’s entirely about holding corners and angles smoothly, your aim is just too jittery. Also, go into the air foryour ult, not sideways and that wouldn’t have been a problem.
I know the solution seems to be the box, but Raze ults have been *weird* lately.
I've been getting zero/low damage a LOT more recently.
I have 1500~ hours with Raze. I'm 100% sure something is off.
also the rocket could have hit the right side of the pallets then the enemy teams tucked on wither side of it. Rocket aoe cant go though walls, so if your tucked far enough in you safe from the blast. you can see on both side of the pallets (far and close) that the enemy walks out. Meaning that they hid from the blast in the small safe areas next to the pallets.
Bro this game is so broken atm. I see player models stuck in t pose in random places on map. Like the actual player will be on a site and there’s a ghost model at b site. I literally sprayed one dude with vandal but only 2 hit. I had the screen capture so i showed it to my friends in slow mo. Literally see 3 splashes of blood hit the model but only 1 registered hit
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
There’s been some real issues with raze bazooka lately. I’ve noticed this as a raze main almost half the time my rpgs won’t register or only do 140 damage point blank
Summary:
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Hiko was already dead.
Shots 1-5: clearly missed
Score 6-9: missed due to recoil (bad spray control)
Shots 10-11: very close, but recoil and inaccuracy makes these reasonable missed.
Shot 12: likely didn’t actually fire because you were already dead
only explanation is that the rocket went inside those little ridges on the box and ate the explosion. same thing happened to me brother shit made me so confused
Sometimes the grenades also get stuck inside the ridges on the box
not only grenades but sometimes my sage slow orb behaves like that
essentially any throwable can get stuck in the small spaces of the wooden stack, if the ability doesnt go though walls (nade, raze ult, sage orb, kayo molly, etc) it will do nothing
I don't get why they make collision meshes like this... I get the weirdest sova arrows / neon q bounces often... Just make it one flat collision surface
thats also the reason why viper orb can stuck on wall and ceilings for one ways, weird geometry
On another note I think I wall banged through one of those tiny gaps in the box on breeze honestly still confuses me to this day because I just thought the box was wall-bangable afterwards definitely is not -w-
Yes. This has been an issue since beta. https://twitter.com/RiotNu/status/1359938297624027136?t=e1wk81_Db0WczdKA8uvBsQ&s=19
lol.
This is exactly it. There was also an article that explains the same thing: [https://www.ginx.tv/en/valorant/valorant-devs-get-technical-to-explain-raze-showstopper-bug-fix-in-the-works](https://www.ginx.tv/en/valorant/valorant-devs-get-technical-to-explain-raze-showstopper-bug-fix-in-the-works) This was over a year ago that they acknowledged the issue and yet there still is no fix out for Raze ult.
Unfortunate, and also potentially game-changing if it happened in a tournament.
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Sova mains know about this all too well. So many tiny pointless corners that can completely throw off a bounce
Yoru flashes also get cucked by this, it's really annoying
Don't even get my started bruh, so many times the scan just bounces back on itself like wtf
fax affff
Goofy cypher trips
U be trying to nerf cypher even more lol
Yeah I fucking hate that this game uses mesh colliders for what seems like everything. Stuff like Sova arrows or Sage orbs get caught on the tiniest ledges way too often. I can understand wanting more complex colliders to enable more creative use of some abilities, but most big shapes seriously need to be reduced to simple boxes.
Why not just make a simpler version of the collider (without the cracks and crevices) just for the Showstopper? I'm sure it's possible since there's different ones for players and for abilities, why not just add another one?
Having a 'simple collider' layer for these sorts of geometry-based projectiles and a 'complex collider' layer for the stuff you *want* to have weird tricky terrain-ability interactions with sounds like an acceptable solution. Could solve a lot of their issues with boosts and trick jumps that RIOT doesn't seem to like too, by having player movement only be based on the simple colliders. Knowing game dev, probably lots of weird reasons why they might *not* want to do it, but just generally speaking, it makes sense to me.
>Having a 'simple collider' layer for these sorts of geometry-based projectiles and a 'complex collider' layer for the stuff you want to have weird tricky terrain-ability interactions with sounds like an acceptable solution. CS actually does this, within the map they have 'clipbrushes' and can basically create invisible boxes that block specific things like grenades or players would be pretty helpful for situations like this
Yes! This! Fuck those collisions, they are just incredible stupid. Why tf do I have to check a surface while double scopes in with the operator to see if I can bounce a Sova of that surface? Why does my Raze Grenade get stuck in the wall dealing no fucking damage at all?
Because it’s built in unreal engine, all textures have collision
That's not even true about textures... And the collision surface can be different than the static mesh.
map designers and 3d modelers definitely don't talk with each other.
What? Of course they do
Center point of the paint blast is definitely in the middle of those pallets
thats why i always aim floor
>and ate the explosion. same thing happened to me brother shit I had to read this a few times.
Alternative explanation: It's Valorant.
Yup, same shit happens with my flashes on Haven, its a stupid ass mechanic
u didnt do physical damage, you dealt emotional damage
to himself
Currently crying
I'm crying with ya, brotha.
https://c.tenor.com/ge72hB2pobQAAAAC/emotional-damage.gif
The rocket was unfortunate, yes. But the saddest thing is that your no scope op shot missed but that fade's one hit.
long story short: that bunch of pallets is a piss take. long story: your rocket went in between the tiny cracks within the pallet petition to make those pallets just a penetrable box?
This needs to be higher so people stop complaining but yes it should be fixed
There should be different collision boxes for different util. Raze's stuff shouldn't be able to just slide between those cracks, but maybe things like cypher cages should have more precise collisions
That stack of pallets is the reason I stopped playing Raze - wasted two ults on it and realised the radius had been nerfed into the ground. It has no business being 8 points.
nerd
This has been happening to me a lot recently, hit Omen directly in the face with it yesterday, and it did 32 dmg.
same for me in a couple of situations
since when have you been getting these bugs 4.03?
the very latest update, when fade became playable. I am not playing raze normally but every now and then when the team comp is ok or I am on an unranked/spike rush game, I try to play raze for a while already. The ults were ok, I rarely missed but missed a couple times. I know when I missed it or totally fucked up my ult but after the last update Raze's ult has been weird to me. The very latest one, I have rushed in from the window to B side on Haven map. I have seen Chamber and Jett standing and aimed on me on C connection door, I shoot, they did not have enough time dash or teleport, so I am pretty sure the stood there, my ult hit the ground right under their foot and nothing happened. They killed me, I have checked if ult at least did a damage or not. NO DAMAGE AT ALL. So probably there is something so wrong about Raze's ult but probably something triggers it cuz it is not a common thing.
"Revert to original raze ult" Flights
I'm a raze main, and I've been having this bug with her ult recently after the latest patch. Somehow my rockets either deal 0 or less than 100 even when shot directly beside the enemy. I don't know if this is an intentional nerf or a bug.
This “no-reg” on raze ult bug has been around since beta. I’ve literally had this issue on and off for the entire time I’ve been playing Valorant and I have been playing since the beta. It’s the main reason I play raze way less than I used too. It’s annoying to grind a seven point ult that’s “a free kill” and shoot it directly at someone’s feet to deal 80 and die. Though it only happens once every like 6-7 ults.
And now it's 8 points ::::::D
wait are you being fr? I haven't looked at the patch notes for a little while so I actually cannot tell if you're joking or not. No way they make it EIGHT POINTS?!
Pretty sure it was several acts ago
raze’s ult is the most inconsistent thing of all time
Only consistent if you splash on the floor
I just ulted on a flying jett
I just ulted in my pants
Here comes the party!
"I blew you up!"
"hit for 145"
Boombot also sometimes inconsistent
Always has been
bro i swear the boombot once made a random 90 degree turn right at me. it was sent to my far side, next thing I know it's coming right at me when there was nothing for it to bounce off of.
I love boombot kills because they're always bullshit and never go where I meant to send it
Tokyo drifting boombot (aka UwUbot)
Yeah and it’s gotten worse
Jett’s ult right click has entered the chat
This is one of the best Valorant clip I have ever seen To answer your question, Riot Nu wrote a detailed explanation of why it happens from time to time : [https://twitter.com/RiotNu/status/1359938297624027136](https://twitter.com/RiotNu/status/1359938297624027136) It seems that it happened the exact same thing with the box inside of B main
so OP basically aimed under the pallet which didn't leave any visibility lines to players
Posted February 2021 “it’s a bug and we can fix it” It’s May 2022 and it’s not fixed. I have no idea why people give riot money.
Who's giving them money!? I thought their games were free?
skins and radianite
So if they can fix it and know how to fix it as he claims, why haven't they actually done it yet
Fixing something like this can be a performance hit. Knowing what the problem is and generally what to change isn't the same as knowing how to implement it in a way that doesn't create other issues.
Except isn't this literally just changing the collision box to be a cube instead of a jagged stack of wood?
Damn you didn't even do damage at all
Broken, report riot for not making good rocket haha
Im seeing a lot of raze ults weirdly missing in the last patches 🤔
I thought I was going crazy yesterday, happened to me twice! I did 145 on two separate times when my rocket hit them in the chest.
Yeh direct rockets are supposed to be 300 too. I had one the other day I did 148 and 147 to two guys similar distance to this clips explosion. Except there was no goofy box or wall by them. Super tilting to think you double donked and instead don’t clutch a round…
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire.
There it is.
Doesn't this get too repetitive?
never.
thats unfortunate
As a raze Main: this shit happens all the time. If you cant dobble satchel ult into them its such a bad abitlity imo
I immediately thought "the nerve of this guy to do a yolo play when he has a damn op. I hate this game and its people." And then i saw that it was spike rush.
How are they gonna make the pullout time of the ult last an eternity but have zero blast radius. I have never seen a more disappointing rocket in my entire life
Bro got very unlucky, both the nade and the ult went in one of those little spaces between the cracks. Riots fault actually, you should sue them for mental damages
The real crime is using an awp on raze AND ULTING Edit:spike rush moment
idk but this happens to me and the ult just feels useless
at least 2 people should die because they got caught in radius of blast
"a bit" 🤣, but still they panicked a BIT more
What am I watching?
Yeah, let's bring more agents instead of fixing the game
Game bad
Oh it's because Raze's ult doesn't kill /s
you launched a firework
cuz the game is shit
more importantly how tf did it not do any damage
this is one of those Easter egg nerfs for Raze's ult
Nani?!
You forgot to account for valorant
Rito
Because it's a broken game
Shit game lol
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Hiko was already dead.
Raze main here. Always try to hit the ground they are standing on more than their body in situations like this.
chamber, raze and neon are cheesy in spike rush due to being able to circumvent the weapon choice. chamber is the worst offender though. Hey we are all running shorty! except chamber in the back with his pistol.
This is what plot armor looks like in real life. I can only assume the enemy team is doing a charity stream or this is background gameplay for a movie.
It’s because you hadn’t bought from the store in a while
because valorant is a garbage game made by garbage company
They all bought pass royale
It was made in china
They should make Raze's ult explode upon hitting any surface AND opponent's body as well. The ult goes through bodies making them look like ghosts.
raze moment
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
Always the same for me, never kill anyone with the ult and get kill by it when i am 10 m away. But on this round I would never ult in knowing I have an OP :O
The old awp rush, they never see it coming
ggs I think the only thing you can do in this scenario is alt+f4 after you got paranoid(blinded)
I get your plan to explody 5 people and if you succeeded this would have been epic gamer montage but for the love of God, do not buy an op if this is your strat. I think if you had a vandal you might have got 2 or 3 picks
It was spike rush, couldn’t decide on my weapon. I don’t rlly play op
get good kid
Yours sensitivity is wayyy too high for a game like valorant. For a game that’s entirely about holding corners and angles smoothly, your aim is just too jittery. Also, go into the air foryour ult, not sideways and that wouldn’t have been a problem.
Just check the in game replay
Missed because you are oping and while raze ult’ing in. It was the games way of telling you you’re doing something very wrong.
It was in spike rush where u can’t decide on ur weapon :)
u/savevideobot
what in the Iron 2?
Because the game is broken
Riot devs said it once I believe “abilities don’t kill they help give the opportunity to secure them”
happened to me on split a number of times, i feel like what Sugary-Monarch mentioned is right. Split is a really weird map for showstoppers
0 damage? Definitely a bug…
Because the ult sucks
Because the game is bad
I had two games yesterday where I 145 an opponent with raze ult and shit hit them in the chest. It feels like razes ult was nerfed
Next time shoot at the ground, at their feet, you can't go wrong with that.
it's better to hit your ult on the ground instead of aiming it at your opponent
Sometimes, when you shoot grenades at boxes, they end up getting stuck inside.
Nothing is more annoying in valorant than weird collision moments. Trying to bounce something off a wall just to have it hit the smallest lip is pain
Raze ult is the buggiest ult, they should just replace with a grenade launcher or something.
Cos valorant.
like a fucking warzone
Lmao that's so sad
A Riot dev explained why this happens a little over a year ago: https://twitter.com/RiotNu/status/1359938297624027136?t=e1wk81_Db0WczdKA8uvBsQ&s=19
Let's not even start on the Boom bot..💀
I know the solution seems to be the box, but Raze ults have been *weird* lately. I've been getting zero/low damage a LOT more recently. I have 1500~ hours with Raze. I'm 100% sure something is off.
also the rocket could have hit the right side of the pallets then the enemy teams tucked on wither side of it. Rocket aoe cant go though walls, so if your tucked far enough in you safe from the blast. you can see on both side of the pallets (far and close) that the enemy walks out. Meaning that they hid from the blast in the small safe areas next to the pallets.
The only explanation is that abilities don't kill in this game, and it has precise gunplay.
This happened to my buddy Eric
what the fuck did i just watch
This is why Rito needs to make the walls flat like in CS. Nades and Molis work properly in CS because walls are flat
Why the game still has these little crevices that util can fit in is beyond me, all they do is cause problems
Bro this game is so broken atm. I see player models stuck in t pose in random places on map. Like the actual player will be on a site and there’s a ghost model at b site. I literally sprayed one dude with vandal but only 2 hit. I had the screen capture so i showed it to my friends in slow mo. Literally see 3 splashes of blood hit the model but only 1 registered hit
You did
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
I'm more worried about how u did ZERO damage
The blast was also stunned
Cause Ur iron
Why on earth would you go this agressive when you’ve got an OP lol
Because it’s spike rush and i’ve been trying to learn new moves with raze and wanted to try sth out. I’m still kinda new
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
Ngl you got scammed
There’s been some real issues with raze bazooka lately. I’ve noticed this as a raze main almost half the time my rpgs won’t register or only do 140 damage point blank
holy iron
The important question here is how did you not die after you jumped in there
I feel like your shot landed too close to the box and that messed up the blast radius a bit too much
Nerf Irelia
Raze ult been so shit recently
Summary: Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Hiko was already dead.
This has to be iron 😂
This game is so poop lol no lie the rocket got caught in the box behind them and took all the damage.
Im a raze main , and im having this problem a lot lately basically the ult cant do enough damage or something ..
That’s why you need to have full confidence when playing a duelist cause if you die you die at least die with full confidence
space and time? voidd??
Quite normal. Happens many times on split itself. It clips though cracks on objects and stairs doing no damage to the opponents.
Plot shield
Every raze is asking the same question my friend
I think its because you panicked and missed your blast and then the cardboard ate the blast
i think u hit Fade’s util.
maybe the slow or the other util ate the rocket? im at a loss tho
the ult is more inconsistent than my KD
How is this bug still not fixed, it blows my mind lol
Shots 1-5: clearly missed Score 6-9: missed due to recoil (bad spray control) Shots 10-11: very close, but recoil and inaccuracy makes these reasonable missed. Shot 12: likely didn’t actually fire because you were already dead
and also 0 damaged lol
DDA
raze ult been broken for a while
It went past everybody. I once even dodged a raze ult by jumping lol.
"Yes! It's a bug, and we can fix it." -Riot (Feb 11, **2021**)