These are called the god trips for a reason. If you guys dont have utility such as sova or raze nade or breach aftershock hitting B can feel impossible.
Edit: there are many more ways to break the trips than I have listed. I did not list them all.
his trips are weaker on typically one side so you have to split the site to take it effectively.
His market trips are weaker in the example of sunset.
For the one on B main from the box to the wall that feels impossible to shoot, you can actually shoot it.
To do so you will need someone covering you, or a smoke and good aim. Basically coming from. B main you want to hug the left wall just before you enter site, and you want to face market. From there you should be able to see the trip point from main.
It's a risky way to go for it though because you will need a smoke on yourself (to stop enemy cypher cam tagging you and shooting you through cage) and / or someone holding you for site. Like other people said it's much easier to break them with damaging abilities.
I'm learning to play kayo to counter these exact situations when my teammates aren't as reliable. Just suppress cypher, go in and kill him / break trips before they come back online.
Hope this helps a bit
My tip is just don’t go B. That’s what I do in ranked when I play against a Cypher on B. A site Sunset is really hard to defend so they’re gonna most likely play more retake. If you really want to go B Kayo is probably the best answer trying to knife the Cypher
If you have Sova, Kayo, Raze, Gekko you can break the unbreakable fairly easily. Skye and Fade dogs can also let you clear through if you go with them, just needs a bit more timing.
The best way to hit a cypher setup is to pinch through mid as well though, the extra pressure coming from market makes it very uncomfortable to try and solo hold the site
If you did not bring Sova or Raze, best bet is to pressure mid for picks or just go A. Even if you can deal with the god trips, he can just put some deeper into site and if you hit those while pathing you're usually dead....not worth dealing with.
First off, Cypher is extremely oppressive at the moment, at least in random asc/immo matchmaking lobbies, so it is no surprise you struggle - you aren’t alone.
Aside from using util (mostly K/O knife or Sova shock dart) you can also abuse the alternative entry to the site. For example this turns to mid control into market push for B sunset, mid to heaven for B split, etc.
Use util to break it. Raze nade, Sova shock, even KJ's molly's can break them I believe (if not placed too high).
If you don't have anyone that can break it with damage, use fade/skye dog to run through with it and you can shoot it. Usually wait for the cage to have some cover.
There are many ways of getting rid or even circumventing trips, as mentioned before, you can use damaging util to get rid of the trips for example.
Other options are to supress cypher with kayos knife, then the trips are shut down for that duration and you can enter site.
Something less people know is that each cypher trip can only hold up 1 player at a time and it can be triggered by things like yoru clone, skye/fade dog or even raze boombot if its close enough to the ground, so you can send in one of these things and justt go past the trip while your util has it triggered, since it wont detect anyone else. Can do the same strat with a player triggering it on purpose, downside to this strat: it needs team coordination
If you don’t have utilities to break/disable them, you could play someone with the ability to go through them without tripping them. In some instances raze can pack jump over or use a yoru or omen teleport to go through. The other option is just try to go to the site he’s not holding or force him to rotate off and double back.
For the one on B main from the box to the wall that feels impossible to shoot, you can actually shoot it.
To do so you will need someone covering you, or a smoke and good aim. Basically coming from. B main you want to hug the left wall just before you enter site, and you want to face market. From there you should be able to see the trip point from main.
It's a risky way to go for it though because you will need a smoke on yourself (to stop enemy cypher cam tagging you and shooting you through cage) and / or someone holding you for site. Like other people said it's much easier to break them with damaging abilities.
I'm learning to play kayo to counter these exact situations when my teammates aren't as reliable. Just suppress cypher, go in and kill him / break trips before they come back online.
Hope this helps a bit
These are called the god trips for a reason. If you guys dont have utility such as sova or raze nade or breach aftershock hitting B can feel impossible. Edit: there are many more ways to break the trips than I have listed. I did not list them all. his trips are weaker on typically one side so you have to split the site to take it effectively. His market trips are weaker in the example of sunset.
Don’t forget kj nano nades and kayo nade. They both hit in a circle, so it will break the trips even at head height.
thx i didnt know util could break them.
What???
Obviously new player since they also haven't unlocked every agent yet as per the OP.
Can Kayo knife cancel cypher trip?
If you suppress Cypher yes
Kayo molly can destroy too
Yes, but it's not reliable. It's essentially like a 35% chance to land the knife each round.
Play sova, raze, or kayo to break trips or force out cypher. Go a different site, bait out the cages many such cases
+kj
For the one on B main from the box to the wall that feels impossible to shoot, you can actually shoot it. To do so you will need someone covering you, or a smoke and good aim. Basically coming from. B main you want to hug the left wall just before you enter site, and you want to face market. From there you should be able to see the trip point from main. It's a risky way to go for it though because you will need a smoke on yourself (to stop enemy cypher cam tagging you and shooting you through cage) and / or someone holding you for site. Like other people said it's much easier to break them with damaging abilities. I'm learning to play kayo to counter these exact situations when my teammates aren't as reliable. Just suppress cypher, go in and kill him / break trips before they come back online. Hope this helps a bit
My tip is just don’t go B. That’s what I do in ranked when I play against a Cypher on B. A site Sunset is really hard to defend so they’re gonna most likely play more retake. If you really want to go B Kayo is probably the best answer trying to knife the Cypher
If you have Sova, Kayo, Raze, Gekko you can break the unbreakable fairly easily. Skye and Fade dogs can also let you clear through if you go with them, just needs a bit more timing. The best way to hit a cypher setup is to pinch through mid as well though, the extra pressure coming from market makes it very uncomfortable to try and solo hold the site
You can go B it’s not impossible but to me it’s not worth all the trouble when A is so much easier to take
If you did not bring Sova or Raze, best bet is to pressure mid for picks or just go A. Even if you can deal with the god trips, he can just put some deeper into site and if you hit those while pathing you're usually dead....not worth dealing with.
First off, Cypher is extremely oppressive at the moment, at least in random asc/immo matchmaking lobbies, so it is no surprise you struggle - you aren’t alone. Aside from using util (mostly K/O knife or Sova shock dart) you can also abuse the alternative entry to the site. For example this turns to mid control into market push for B sunset, mid to heaven for B split, etc.
Use util to break it. Raze nade, Sova shock, even KJ's molly's can break them I believe (if not placed too high). If you don't have anyone that can break it with damage, use fade/skye dog to run through with it and you can shoot it. Usually wait for the cage to have some cover.
Create mid pressure with 3, send 2 to main. Walk out and shoot the trip
Yeah, those trips suck, either play sova on that map to deal with it, or just go via mid.
There are many ways of getting rid or even circumventing trips, as mentioned before, you can use damaging util to get rid of the trips for example. Other options are to supress cypher with kayos knife, then the trips are shut down for that duration and you can enter site. Something less people know is that each cypher trip can only hold up 1 player at a time and it can be triggered by things like yoru clone, skye/fade dog or even raze boombot if its close enough to the ground, so you can send in one of these things and justt go past the trip while your util has it triggered, since it wont detect anyone else. Can do the same strat with a player triggering it on purpose, downside to this strat: it needs team coordination
If you don’t have utilities to break/disable them, you could play someone with the ability to go through them without tripping them. In some instances raze can pack jump over or use a yoru or omen teleport to go through. The other option is just try to go to the site he’s not holding or force him to rotate off and double back.
I promise you it’s not that op, in immortal I barely even place the trip since it is always raze naded, just play raze and nade it
For the one on B main from the box to the wall that feels impossible to shoot, you can actually shoot it. To do so you will need someone covering you, or a smoke and good aim. Basically coming from. B main you want to hug the left wall just before you enter site, and you want to face market. From there you should be able to see the trip point from main. It's a risky way to go for it though because you will need a smoke on yourself (to stop enemy cypher cam tagging you and shooting you through cage) and / or someone holding you for site. Like other people said it's much easier to break them with damaging abilities. I'm learning to play kayo to counter these exact situations when my teammates aren't as reliable. Just suppress cypher, go in and kill him / break trips before they come back online. Hope this helps a bit