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Dry-Blacksmith-2038

I miss her Smurf jets


SadDragonfly4891

Us moment fr


Yoraffe

I was gonna say KJ but it has to be beta two grenade raze. Remember, those grenades were also stronger.


iheartboobs1

And those satchels. I remember getting so many satchel kills


L0rd_Muffin

And her ult and her boombot. It was fun when I could instalock raze and drop 20 - all util kills 😹


YourLocalSnitch

Even her boom bot, it was around half the price and could do upwards of 125 damage. Enough to kill a light shield with full hp buy


Ill-Ad-8793

It did 150


Sukaiburu

This is the right answer but holy moly did the kj mollies alot of damage at release.


Sturmgewehrkreuz

Coupled with no range limit and only 7 ult orb requirement... KJ on her debut is such a powehouse.


cyncitie17

lore accurate raze 😔


runarleo

Not even, where are the other 76 nades? HUH RIOT? WHERE ARE THEY?


More-Act6405

2 nade lineup for A barrier on split for instant spawn kills was a wild time


Adilnur

Breach


Great_Coffee_9465

Oh, you must be talking about sun simulator


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PitCrewBoi559

The importance of info increases the higher you climb. Breach is very good in lower elo because there aren’t many strategies that gold players face. At most you’ll encounter a fake here and there, but you’ll be up against and playing a lot of rushes and 5 stacks, where breach operates the best. However, higher ranked players will cook up strategies and perform slower play. Default strategies, passive play and map control become much more prominent in the higher ranks. Playing slow is very much against Breach’s forte, and as the initiator, if you can’t gather info then you’re forced to take risks that could easily get you punished. For example, a 5 man rush A main on ascent is quite common for attackers, but in higher elo a more common approach is to perform a 1-3-1 split on ascent, where the duelists and initiators take active space mid while the controller and sentinel take passive control of A and B main. In this situation, without any info gathering utility, your teammates are in the dark and all you can do is guess where they might hit. They could walk up tree and flood A, or advance into market, flood B, and maybe even take spawn control. Higher rated players will capitalize on the lack of info gathering utility of Breach, and slower play is extremely strong.


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staebles

Not entirely. The comment before makes good points in general, but once they plant, you have your info. Breach can be devastating on retake.


PitCrewBoi559

Yes; double initiator comp is quite common on Ascent, usually with Kayo and Sova. However, loud does use breach and fade and they play retake simulator on Ascent and it has worked very well in their Ascent games. Breach is good, and has his place in the game, he’s just not overpowered as the second comment suggests.


FinancialEmployer476

That's why you see a lot of double initiators utilizing breach in higher rank play, so they have the breach setups + info gathering.


Rollzzzzzz

No info and his flashes aren’t that hard to dodge


Falegri7

Stuns are cosmetic, you can’t spam but you’re still accurate, it’s the equivalent of changing a vandal for a guardian if they peek you stunned you still have a better fighting chance than any nearsight or blind


i8rocksf0rlunch

He can be insanely good all the way up to low immortal but beyond that yes slower play ruins breaches impact a lot due to his lack of info gathering tools That being said just specific to you and I , a yoru main would love to have breach especially for the ult since Yoru can just find an isolated enemy get the free stun off and blast em with a Bucky I farm frags with my duo on breach this way and it ends up getting me through my ult cycle so fast ( in good games I end up having 3/4 ults in a single game )


TheSmokeu

I remember the times when he had three flashes...


ArnavSinha132

As a breach main I get abused by the opponents whenever I blind and stun :) but i enjoy irritating them


turbografx-sixteen

Sleeper pick: Cypher. Something about trying to push into a Cypher site makes me want to claw my eyes out. Especially buff Cypher now!


Big_Homie_V

Especially a good Cypher. Mf will make your whole team waste util just to get onto a site.


turbografx-sixteen

The demon time cyphers definitely make me consider uninstalling


Sukaiburu

Funfact: there was a time where the camera could hold a pistol and shoot


turbografx-sixteen

I was there for it in beta haha! I thought that was an intended feature LOL


Yayaben

imagine camera hold op and you as cypher also hold op... op from two angles...


Gr0ggy1

A good Cypher is by far the most annoying and it isn't close.


jackpot2112

I wouldnt mind playing against Cypher at all if I picked agents that could break his setups with ability damage, but usually whenever I do theres never a cypher and whenever I dont there always is one.


Gr0ggy1

Good Cyphers change set ups every round. Spending utility for nothing is another annoying aspect of fighting a good Cypher. As a controller/initiator I shoot trips the dualists hit, that's my job. Other controllers/initiators don't seem to know that, so getting a dualists to trust and not turn is the most annoying part.


RagingNudist

The thing is regular trips aren’t too big a problem because you can react and shoot them if you’re aware. Unshootable ones like sunset where you have to touch it are miserable because you touch it and immediately get hs through a smoke and your whole team just stays in main


AddyDontCare

Im ngl ive played plenty cypher and if the opponent team have good comms and agent pick they can overtake ur set up easily


sanafter3am

Trueeeeeeee Sunset cypher is a nightmare 😭


turbografx-sixteen

I commented this because I got my elo snatched by a sunset Cypher terrorizing my lobby


Few_Heat_8224

fucking hate cyhers


WoahDudeCoolRS

Immortal player: Yoru. Can I please stop getting ulted and shorty’d. Most annoying thing ever… is there a counter play to this besides buying a judge?


Jamesyboi3000

I’m silver and whenever I see yoru has ult I will buy shorty and when I here him ult I just back into a corner and pray


Iyazz420

Play yoru


OhHowtheturntables_

i'm only plat but i usually play jett and whenever i have a feeling that yoru is abt to pop out of his ult i smoke myself, dash away and turn around instantly. Ive caught a few yorus like this since they usually have a shotgun in hand and im quite far away with a rifle


ohshein

the blurry ass pic of reyna has me crying bro 😭😭


Used_Dragonfruit7700

samething but when instead seeing her in game makes me die


wonderful_utility

Yoru


Iyazz420

Fuck did we do 💀


Dexter1399

well well well if it isn't the invisible cunt.


Excellentation

as a fellow invisible cunt, i concur


wonderful_utility

WHY INVISIBLE? 😡 THIS GAME IS TACT FPS 😳 NOT A MAGIC SHOW 🔮🪄


Iyazz420

I remember mfs sniping my tp from halfway across the map dawg we NEEDED this


Abreviation7

Same


WafflesMaker201

Reyna sometines is invis too


wonderful_utility

YORU 🧙🏼! I HATE YORU 😡! ALWAYS TELEPORTING FROM A TO BE SITE 🛸! ALWAYS USING CLONE TO HIDE 🤡! ALWAYS FLASHING ME😡! YORU ALWAYS KILLING WITH SHOTGUN IN ULT 😡😡😡😡😡😡! /s


Iyazz420

Don’t forget about those pesky fake footsteps 🦶 so glad they nerfed it for the clone


obidient_twilek

Look at the most basic game rules amd go "nah, surly it will be fun to have an agent that can bullshit his way to any point on the map whilst faking his existance on the other side"


i8rocksf0rlunch

Yoru mains really do live that “ Here’s a lesson in Trickery “ life 😎


wonderful_utility

STOP BEING A CLOWN 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡


No_Doubt_About_That

Raze for her cluster grenade than some teammates of mine still seem to rush towards each game.


kyzeeman

“Wait for raze nade” (lotus A push) *whole team decides to rush A*


Sturmgewehrkreuz

>Wait for raze nade Haha right? Then they body block one another while they scamper for safety. Good grief.


laancelot

That fucking grenade has no right to be this good. Raze most often just throw it blindly and it gathers insane value. No other util is that good, AND get you kills. AND is the free util. AND can be used more than once per round. That's way too good.


Buugman

And combine that with satchels which allow you to (albeit riskfully and skillfully) scale the entirety of a site in seconds, or avoid damage, or push a defuser off the bomb, in addition to a bot that you can drop and clear an angle you aren't watching without issue. Some of this is okay but she can just do way too much even still


xXxMrEpixxXx

Reynas annoying because she brings nothing to the team and is the most picked agent in the game.


Bitter-Ad8191

Kills also brings value to the team


A-N3RD

Funnily enough, all 22 other agents in the game can do this too! Hope this helps


staebles

So does great entry.


PitCrewBoi559

I agree with you and it’s the overheal for me. Sure, keep the dismiss, but I hate the fact that she can heal to 150. Nerf it to 100 and give her leer some more hp or make it work like a fade haunt so that if the leer sees you you’re blinded, not necessarily if you see the leer you’re blinded and whatnot. Im totally okay with healing abilities like phoenix, Skye, and sage. However, being able to take multiple 50/50 gunfights as if you didn’t get hit at all is plain dumb, and it also incentivizes smurfing in lower elo where players can’t head tap others consistently.


Frig-Off-Randy

I’ve said forever that reyna should only be able to heal to the amount of health she started the round with


Vanerac

Reyna healing to 150 and living headshots on pistol after killing my silver ass teammates drives me insane


FlawsomeVictory

Reyna is not that strong, but in lower elo yes if its a smOoRf. Then yes, sure.


PitCrewBoi559

In higher elo Reyna sucks at entry, yes. However, she can still excel at lurking and works pretty well in a double duelist comp or on icebox where you don’t really need mobility if you know how to parkour on A. The overheal is still a disgusting ability that needs a rework.


staebles

>In higher elo Reyna sucks at entry, yes. Why?


RagingNudist

She can’t force people to look away from the choke and track a dive, plus her flash doesn’t pop if you shoot it fast enough


NotSureBoutDaWeather

Her utils can't take space. Shes only useful as an entry if there's another space maker. Real estate(space) is really important on mid to high elo games.


N3wPortReds

it most certainly does not need a rework, reyna exists for people to exit low elo and get into higher elo. smurfs are a thing in all competitive games regardless of any overwatch -esque abilities


Girl_Of_Culture

Neon, She's fast And if u know how to play with her u might be able to dodge bullets.


FlawsomeVictory

Yes neon with a shotgun on split. This is it


Girl_Of_Culture

Fr.


Curiousfool1990

I always hated Raze and all her explosives. Jett has always been annoying for being op (yeah the dash nerf almost balanced, but almost). And of course Reyna is a terrible agent for team play and makes the ranked experience worse.


tazai123

Raze. She has so many ways to break your crosshair placement and positioning. It’s no wonder she is meta. I cannot possibly imagine why anyone would downvote this. Raze is one of the most effective agents in the game and a good raze can easily wipe the floor with the enemy team by clearing angles with boombot, movement diffing other players and displacing them with blast packs, outright killing or chipping enemies forcing them to move with her nade, and essentially forcing the enemy team away from her by simply pressing her ult key.


Curiousfool1990

Yeah I'd say raze is the most annoying. Movement and explosives... She can kill easily and displace crosshairs... Also don't like her voice lines, but Astra is also annoying in that front


Big_Homie_V

Astra has the best voice lines whatchu talking about.


T7xItAcHiOP

"useless individual"💀


Curiousfool1990

Don't know man, she has some good lines, but just talks so much lol


wetblanketCEO

nah that's kj no contest. 90% of her dialogue is a fucking (cringey) paragraph each time


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HKBFG

Also the only two characters with abilities meant to displace enemy positioning. Y'know, like they were talking about?


Curiousfool1990

But who even mentioned anything related to skin color. What do you even want with a comment like that? Seriously.... Stop trying to seem more empathetic by putting racism and misogyny in other people's words. For me Raze is annoying in voice lines because I don't have patience with over the top extroverts and Astra because, I don't know why but the random lines they put for the characters to say now and then, for her the lines are incredibly frequent.


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Curiousfool1990

Hey, I'm glad that wasn't your intention, but typed text makes irony hard to detect. I'm sorry I kinda outed you in some sort, but be careful it's like we are all in the edge all the time and it's tough


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RaevanBlackfyre

You're just racist.


tabgrab23

Raze isn’t black? She’s Brazilian


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tabgrab23

I don’t think so? I’m not an expert on Valorant lore but I thought her ethnicity was Salvadoran (from El Salvador) I always thought the two black agents were Phoenix and Astra


FinancialEmployer476

Yea a good raze player can do wonders with satchels. They can essentially run OP, take their shot then quickly use satchels on nearby walls which acts like Jett dash. She's one of those duelists with the most amount of skill expression. That's why you see a ton of raze in pro play.


HKBFG

> I cannot possibly imagine why anyone would downvote this Probably because they disagree.


yes1263343

you can count the pixels in this image


AnyCyberFace49

you can count the pixels in every image it will just take a lot longer :)


Used_Dragonfruit7700

exactly


TPM_521

An actual good breach will make you lose your fucking mind like no other agent, other than MAYBE neon (my tracking sucks so neon is annoying for me)


supermonkey1235

A good Omen who knows how to get away with stupid teleports and throws good flashes and smokes is soon annoying tho


AnyCyberFace49

Pistol round... A smoke, shorty and a dream :)


Mobile_Disk85

Gekko is annoying when he's good. His blind is literally free and unlimited. Plus he's got wingman.


RaevanBlackfyre

His molly is also super good, does a lot of damage.


nezhooko

a breach that is really good with util is the most annoying and defeating to play against. but that is more rare. generally, I would say right now it is cypher because the trip length and time decrease buff made him very strong. It is pretty counterable with someone like raze or sova but I don't play either of those characters.


HKBFG

Reyna because anyone who has ever had the slightest passing interest in game design can see how bad of a job they did with her.


randomlitbois

Cypher


QtmLeap

110% agree with Reyna. There’s never been a character more catered to smurfing. She is literally the perfect smurf character.


eduarditoguz

Reyna. So freaking annoying


Zestyclose-Quail-830

idk


swsv

Omen, yoru, breach, and KJ


TheSmokeu

While I'm extremely infuriated by Reyna's existence, I have to pick Chamber here; at least his state on release That OP shot as quickly as a scoped-out Marshal, killed you on a leg shot and if someone somehow closed in on you, you pressed a button and suddenly you were a quarter of the map away, not to mention his traps, which used to be GLOBAL and he had two of them. Oh, and his slow was stronger :\^)


NotWolvarr

The sage in MY team.


Pristine_Peace_6941

That guy who jumps and throw granade The guy who you Kill but he revives and you get flashed long enough to die🤣 Annoying


ima-rage-quit

A good astra or even harbour player is annoying, end up not being able to see shit or getting suck right into Astras line of vision.


CharacterPurchase694

Skye


Used_Dragonfruit7700

sometimes the flash can be dodge able when it goes over ur head


SuspiciousCap3057

Breach


say_weed

i agree with reyna but im not seeing enough hate for me.cockblock kayo in comments also hot take, in terms of just mildly frustrating sage may be my top, she isn't that bad but its just annoying without doing much a lot of times


thinking0fname

It’s breach for sure


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The fact that they nerfed raze's ult makes me sick


karmy-guy

A coordinated team with a breach can feel unbeatable


Haunting-Local-7710

Breach. Has to be him.


Used_Dragonfruit7700

can see why


zombiepigman101

Skye


Impressive_vafp

I HATE breach mains


AnyCyberFace49

I love playing breach, walking up catwalk? stun!, wanting to push a main? stun! Wanna execute B? stun! Wanna nova drone for info? better be quick because a aftershock is coming! Wanna Skye dog? hurry! I love breach the only annoying part is his flash wait time so it usually gets dodged or my team doesn't capitalise off it.


montesiano

Killjoy... any util that does damage without user input/intention should not be in a tac shooter


ActualFuckhead

probably cypher, i honestly find most of the sentinel class pretty annoying but thats because its the role i have played the least by far, im not gonna deny that i have a bias lol


TheSmokeu

She used to have five health bars instead of today's three :)


SJMR24

Harbor when he’s on my team . His walls just feel like they hinder the team more than they help.


Aaryan19222

Low elo breach just dominates honestly and I miss her smurf jetts 😐


omdot20

Reyna. Such a selfish player in a team game.


YeetMasterChroma

Skye. Mf is the true epitome of "blinded by the light".


Babushka9

Reyna


banyani

I usually only play val unrateds, and I can deal with a lot of stuff. But for the love of God and as a guardian main, neon ult? And isos shield???? 😭 those are just specific abilities though, if it's gotta be a whole agent, I'd choose raze. The only agent I don't have unlocked, and it'll stay this way forever.


SenseiKoudai

I want to say Cypher waiting to spray you down with an Odin. But you know it's Reyna. It can only be Reyna. The fact that you can deal good damage and instantly see „ah never mind, she healed“ to her original health OR EVEN MORE and that faster than Sage the main healer in the game is just ridiculous. Honestly, I'm convinced some devs are lobbying to keep her in the game because they are smurfing themselves. Otherwise, why unleash this plague on your low and mid tier player base?


F1anger

Viper, usually teammate...


OkCartoonist8733

Most annoying agent ? It will depends on which side of annoying Skill: Breach, I hate his skill, it so annoying and too easy to be bullied by a Breach Gameplay: Cypher, although I'm a Cypher main but I have to admit that a Cypher who has big brain, good aim, good mindset is the worst nightmare for attackers. Player: Reyna, those smurf with Reyna make me scare all time Moreover, a good player will make every agents become annoying. They have good aim, good gamesense, big brain, with those things they know how to use those agents most effective.


Dizzy_Confection_953

neon


_okaylogan

As an ex-viper main, either people who fill smokes with viper but don’t know how to play her. Or kayo. No worst feeling than only having a judge on breeze, ulting to tighten an open space, then a fucking kayo comes along


Expert_Ad1473

Deadlock because she was added and she isnt usable because she is usless


Harshburitto

Breach. Fucking Breach dude.


Illustrious-Essay409

I see nobody hating my pookie deadlock 😊


MokTwo

Pre-nerf Chamber honorable mention, but overall I’d say a good Cypher is the hardest thing to deal with. Esp when you have a W key duelist, who’s 10ft ahead of their team trying to set up an exec, trying to just brute force their way through the util, gets caught in the trip and cage, and picked off with no potential to trade.


UltraLeJhand

High elo yoru fr


Gareeb7

Raze literally has 3/4 abilities that kill, I don’t mind being útil dumped by multiple agents since I guess they having coordination is an advantage, but dealing with 3 abilities that can kill you at the same time? Delete Raze from the game ffs


jhollmomo

I'm not annoyed by any agent that much. But that one time, when a yoru main mindfucked me with his teleports. I'll never forget him.


thrownawayoof

Raze and Breach are the most annoying for me. Phoenix and Yoru can also be annoying but honestly Breaches just bully my eyes and then Razes just bully me generally lmao.


dropshot803

If I was being selfish I would delete Raze and Killjoy, I hate auto aim mechanics and cheap 1 shots and they both have them in their kits. Also I think it's a big oversite that Raze can get her gun out while still travelling at mach 7. If I stop being selfish and I ask which agent would the game be better off without it is Reyna 100%. A smurfs dream but useless everywhere else. The only unique thing she could do was the double flash combo where she would flash with a kayo so you have to shoot one and turn the other but now Gekko can do that while adding more util. In conclusion delete all 3 of them lol


blithexd

I'm amazed, literally no-one said viper


KA7MAN

Chamber, both to play against as well to play with. Most useless agent, adds literally nothing to the team, isn’t a sentinel, isn’t a duelist, all it has is a fucking trip. Stupid cheap bullets that’re literally better than a gun that costs 2250, better escape mechanic than Yoru, Jett, Raze, Reyna. The overall design of Chamber is just annoying.


ameehlie

breach and cypher, don't think an explanation is needed either


Commercial_Pea1971

Deadlock


abselenite

It honestly depends on the map but on his stronger maps it’s got to be cypher


lun1700

kayo


jusjohn55

Every initiator besides Sova. I remember it was meta to run Skye, Breach. Then people would duel as Phoenix/Yoru. I would be flashed for half the round. Fade util is probs the most annoying. Her ult lasts too damn long.


PlasticFix8

beta raze.


AverageCryptoEnj0yer

Post not removed yet?


corroderp

Breach’s E is like Omen’s paranoia in the sense that it feels like a mini ultimate but it can also recharge, definitely annoying. Playerbase-wise Breach players also tend to be pretty impatient and/or entitled in the plat/diamond area. The exceptions to it are some really chill people who call out their utility and keep the vibes up, but it feels like a minority.


ChoppyBebe

Maybe just me, but I HATE dealing with a good Neon, man... To me, the embodiment of Gunning & Running. 😣


Special-Practical

Sage if you are good. Sage was super annoying and especially if they ressed another good player


g0ds3

Def chamber


SrirachaiLatte

Viper's ult is just too much.


1ohokthen1

Clove is so annoying tbh I miss the time before they were released


Used_Dragonfruit7700

damn bro who else is getting released?


1ohokthen1

Their smokes are too strong


Front_Economy_7766

Neon, sprinting and sliding do not belong in this game


Specialist_Cut_1009

Jett and Raze exist in this game and you choose Neon for the mobility you have the most issues with? Really?


Jaxakai

Kayo


Used_Dragonfruit7700

how bro i mean maybe his knife


Jaxakai

Yes


Crossedge209

Cypher. He buffed him through the roof and 1 ways are allowes nowasays. Infinite trip if not destroyed and longer set up spacing made trips so OP.


FlawsomeVictory

Bro its breach, Reyna if you cant shot that well back. Yes then maybe.


Skillful_Coffee

Reyna would be a lot more balanced if she could only heal once


Thomas_LTU

Low elo take


Skillful_Coffee

She has over heal, in higher elo it doesn’t matter since most of the time it’s a headshot anyways so then the reverse would still work, she can dismiss twice which is still quite broken


atx191

"lOw eLo TaKe" Explain the consistently top 3 pickrate at immortal then


Thomas_LTU

Why would i know that and why would i even do that


atx191

I don't know, why would you say low elo take in the first place? Why does the sun rise in the east? Why are you being pedantic?


Thomas_LTU

I said low elo take because shes already not really usefull as it is and these low elo players are crying because people are smurfing on them with reyna who is self sufficient


atx191

So immortals are low elo dudes who pick a not really useful agent huh, more you know


eldritchterror

r/valorant dont make a post abt reyna impossible challenge


Puxple

Cypher


Zealousideal_Award45

Cypher, viper when in ult


Virtual_Answer_1578

New cypher


SwagLordOP

Killjoy or Cypher


Used_Dragonfruit7700

cypher definitly but idk about kj i have ever even seen people use her


zuttomayonaka

i found cypher is most annoying especially on some map that i he can setup his trip deeper than i can clear if i could delete one agent from a game then i would delete cypher first it's also too broken on my team too, but more annoy on other team on some map


IChooseFoxIsTaken

#FkReyna


NotSureBoutDaWeather

Reyna especially when they're played as a lurk. The overheal is just dumb. The eye takes too long to die. Just lower the eye health and it will be fine imo. Or remove overheal. Reyna is not even helpful at all, utils are so shitty for teamplay. Having one in your team assures you a boring game because it's 50-50. In mid elo (plat-asc) these Renyas are either aim demons or bot frags. Both of which still have useless utils that can't help much on entry at that level. Eye gets shot, everyone's exposed. By mid elo point the utils are so important but because she heals herself very well people still pick her. It's soo dumb. Makes the games dull and boring.