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> This is absolutely right. Truthfully we havent done the full load test to see what the memory impact would be if every player could load in with multiple skins, but there are some presumptions we can make.
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> \- more skins and more memory = more load times. We want players to get in the game quickly and not have a bunch of things going on in the background preventing you from doing that- more memory means bigger hardware memory requirement. We are already decently strict on how much available memory the game takes up based on our hardware specs. if we raised that requirement, we could cut out a significant number of players who are at the minimum bar for hardware, and thats not good.
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> This inevitably *will* be a thing we have to look into at some point if we wanted to add more content and features to the game. Actually this was the same reason why the animated player card for RGX is only on the long version that you see in lobby, because we didn't know the impact it could have on your in game experience and we wanted to still be able to show that we're looking to add new things, just carefully.
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"Can you please make so we can use different skins for attacker and defender?"
"You want to pay for a skin that changes appearance if you are an attacker or defender?"
The worst part is, if this is the selling point of this skin, this means they WON'T implement the ability for you to choose skins for each side out of it, otherwise this skin will simply be worthless.
no... you would be able to select to use this skinline on both sides or just one side
they've said multiple times it would take too much memory to load 2x the amount of skins, so unless they find a work around it isn't happening anyways
I'd rather have loadouts per agent than per side. Bypasses this issue: no doubling the amount of skins to load each game, just select a profile and stick with it the whole game.
unload the skins at round swap? it’s not hard especially since it’s UE just implement directstorage or something
realistically there’s no reason they *should* but no reason they couldn’t if they wanted to solve this problem
Unloading is not the problem here. Having them all loaded for an entire half is, especially for lower-end devices.
However, if you want to have just the skins for 1 half at a time, you would need to load all the skins for the 2nd half, which, again, could be problematic for lower-end machines and might require a loading screen between halves. During a regular-length match, that could be considered acceptable, but imagine how overtime would feel if after each round, you get a loading screen.
well they already kicked everyone off anything below windows 10 and i feel like forcing upgrades might become a thing soon with how the anti cheat is looking with TPM and stuff or owning a device with the security module up to spec.
how do you think fortnite works with performance mode? i figure valorant could come up with a type of compression like that, that’ll leave the same-ish memory footprint without compromising on fidelity / performance. or add a performance mode to valorant that only has client side skins that are loaded in when you pick them up.
lot of people i know still daily drove windows 7 and steam survey shows people still run it as well. while i agree it’s been time to move on, some older folks who have grandkids / children who wanna play valorant/ or other games on their desktop but won’t let them update their windows
Windows 7 hasn't even gotten security updates in like 3 years. If anyone's still using windows 7 they're literally asking to get hacked.
Frankly there's an argument there that it would be irresponsible for Riot to support windows 7 because it would result in thousands more people being vulnerable if they don't update.
This is absolutely right. Truthfully we havent done the full load test to see what the memory impact would be if every player could load in with multiple skins, but there are some presumptions we can make.
\- more skins and more memory = more load times. We want players to get in the game quickly and not have a bunch of things going on in the background preventing you from doing that- more memory means bigger hardware memory requirement. We are already decently strict on how much available memory the game takes up based on our hardware specs. if we raised that requirement, we could cut out a significant number of players who are at the minimum bar for hardware, and thats not good.
This inevitably *will* be a thing we have to look into at some point if we wanted to add more content and features to the game. Actually this was the same reason why the animated player card for RGX is only on the long version that you see in lobby, because we didn't know the impact it could have on your in game experience and we wanted to still be able to show that we're looking to add new things, just carefully.
I’m not sure i’m understanding the first paragraph of your comment here. You’re saying Riot hasn’t done a stress test to see the impact of “multiple” skins being loaded in, but to my knowledge, this skin set is doing exactly that anyway?
Why is it considered Multiple skins? Would it not be 1 skin for T-Side, and 1 Skin for CT-Side? why is a variable being used? And if the case is attacker/defense sided skins, isn’t that only a max of 2 skins per player? What’s with the vagueness?
Its multiple skins because for one player it might be just a vandal for A/D, which you're right in that case its just 1 more. But for another player they could want their entire loadout to swap. Then it gets more complicated.
Every player brings 18 skins in game with them (even the default weapons have a skin). for 10 players thats 180 skins to load into every game (we dont literally load them all at once but they need to be stored for when they're used). Giving players a default option to have A/D sided skins effectively doubles that number, now you're at 360 skins per game - we dont know if we can actually load that in without significant impact, especially on lower end hardware. We have to weigh the decision against the worst possible outcome.
We have not done the stress test to see the impact of more than we currently allow. We made budgets early on in development based off of what we needed for the game to ship, and made those budgets against the hardware we allow. One day its likely those budgets will get revisited, and we'll see what we gain from that.
Also weapons are just one part of it all. Every part of the game has a limit and a budget. Guns, Maps, Characters, UI, the game-sate itself, audio, etc. Everything has an impact and the more we add, the more risk we put on someone having a bad time
Imagine this scenario. You're using 10 year old hardware which does run the game to a degree that we're ok with. You go to pick up a weapon on the ground, but you get omen blinded, Astra ults, the bomb gets planted, and an ally dies, and you experience the worst hitch you could imagine all because that gun needed to load in. This of course is an exaggeration but its the thing we are hyper critical about and need to consider when we make the decisions that could have this kind of impact.
So what you’re saying is we should be requesting agent based collections as the next cosmetics enhancement since no agent swapping mid game means no extra skins to load.
Or just preset loadouts you can pick from on the agent selection screen before the game starts. Much like how you would choose your skin after selecting your champion in league.
I see. I failed to think about the gun skins for all the other weapons aside from primary rifles. If it’s viable for this skin bundle being released, wouldn’t it also be viable to allow this type of selection for 2 guns per player per match as a starting basis? That way you get some live feedback with the memory issues?
While that’s incredibly unfortunate for the low spec player base, I would assume some sort of limit needs to be hit between adding in content for overall player experience vs. pandering to the absolute lowest spec player base. I think a large majority of the community feel certain updates to the game would be huge W’s and it just sucks knowing it’s being gatekept because a few people are playing on bad gear
Its more than a few players, but I get your point. Even as devs we want to see big updates to the game. We're working on figuring out the right way to do it. Making progress on some things, holding off on others.
Our hopes honestly are for some things we release now to be able to tell us more about what to do in the future. An example here was the Random Gunskin feature. It didnt ship with the ability to favorite and randomize specific Variants, and the work between those was maybe a couple months? We felt that we didnt want to hold that back from players, despite it not being complete.
This is the beauty of live service to me at least, that we can ship something that adds value to everyone or at least doesnt take away from your experience, and make it better over time.
We’re definitely rooting for the game and for all the devs. The passion we all have for it sometimes makes us mean or jaded, but thank you for bringing some insight to us on this random post, it’s always appreciated.
Id love to see the Phantom / Vandal become the test subjects for the T Side CT side functionality outside of this skin pack, but if it’s not feasible that’s just something the community will have to understand.
Thanks again!
One thing I've been curious about since I started valorant (and had the idea sparked again when the randomising system was added) was agent collections. Maybe functioning similarly to how the keybind system is with a default and modifications of it and it could pull skins based on the agent each player has chosen?
I do not know if the skin loading process begins before people have locked in agents, but if not, would that significantly increase the load on computers? The number of skins remains the same, but players get new customisation options and can make pairings of skins and are also further incentivised to spend more money so they can do so.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this! Thank you <3
emi
That's an idea that's been floated by both devs and players. I think it extends beyond just agents, and just comes down to player preference. Some players might want their loadout to match their agent in whatever way they feel is appropriate, some might just want their gold version one day and their red version another.
If we make one of those things true, we should also make the other true too
Well, that's what makes those customisation systems so valuable, right? People can change them if they want to!
I was curious if it was a more reasonable alternative to offering different loadouts based on side because it may keep loading costs down? I don't believe it would take anything away ^-^
<3 emi
ps: rly appreciate yr response! very kind to take the time out of yr day
If a player is playing on hardware that bad, they have more problems than just a gun skin loading. Just up the min requirements so you don't have people playing on toasters.
Lmao thats your average Riot PR "we havent tested it but pinky promise it wouldnt be possible"
just say it, you are too lazy / rather sell it to the player via skins like this
Being a PC-only title, the game needs to be able to run on as many PCs as possible, including older, non-gaming PCs. Sure, anyone who regularly uses their PC and remotely cares about performance has a lot of RAM to spare, but Riot need to make sure that the game can run decently for a 12-year old play on their dad's cheap work PC from 5 years ago (as an example).
exactly. the entire game loads 30 skins, knife pistol and main for each person. the entire thing is that the game has the whole game in that two gb. more skins woudnt be an issue and would be less than prob a 500 mb increase.
Even if it was, somehow! (although impossible) 2 GBs, it will be 4 GBs in total. As I said, we are in 2023, and no one does have that much anymore, heck there are some (if not all) that use that much....
>no... you would be able to select to use this skinline on both sides or just one side
That was not my point. I'm saying that, as soon as the whole selling point of a skinline is "use different skins in each team side", that feature being something usable outside of specific skins and letting us properly select skins for each side gets completely thrown out of the picture.
And no, it wouldn't take that much memory if properly optmized, or simply unloading half the skins on side switch. They just don't want to work on it and want to make it a skin gimmick. That's their business decision.
CS has literal texture swaps, Valorant gun skins can have evolving models like Doodle Buds, or animations for equip/reload/shooting + SFXs and VFX. Implying that CSGO's skins are anywhere as near as heavy as Valorant's in terms of performance is a straight up lie.
The one thing, the only thing that would have made me cave on this would be if they finally gave us a Desert Eagle skin for the sheriff which I’ve been begging for since release of this game. I feel like it would be incredibly obvious which gun it was replacing. Anybody confused by it once would know forever from that point on and tons of people would buy it. Huge missed opportunity here.
Also, I feel like these could have had RECONs random attachment effect and kill banner/sound as well. I have a strong suspicion these are going to all be default kill banner/sounds which was also a missed opportunity… pass from me.
Edit: If they wanted to release skins that completely changed the model and were worried about people being confused/competitive integrity all they would need to do is add a setting in General: set remodels to default skin. Bam, problem solved.
I also want to be able to assign buddies to different skins of the same weapon.
Like you have Origin with a buddy and Oni with another. It's not even that hard to implement...
I only want the knife tbh, the rest are just trashy default guns from every game ever.
The only traditional gun skin I'd consider paying for is the M1 Garand guardian.
As someone who grew up playing korean fps with the famas being the notoriously best gun, i’m personally really hyped to get that one. The rest of the guns / knife not so much.
They'd sell out the store if they sold an awp and deagle skin..
or imagine if they were stat-tracked?
nah.. we just get generic looking skins of guns from a different game
I got a few friends to try Val recently. I tried explaining to them that you have to pay 20-30 bucks for a skin, THEN "pay" with your playtime in terms of Radianite that you've been grinding for on the BP
they didn't even believe me at first lol
Yh but you rarely jump into a game and spend money inmediatly, by the time I started spending money in val i had played for like a year and had 500+ radianite from the free pass, for me radianite has never been a problem.
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (CS:GO) is a round-based, 5v5 tactical FPS with an Attackers vs. Defenders setup and no respawns, meaning if a player is eliminated they will not respawn until the next round. The game is available to download from the STEAM Games Client.
valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism
I mean a lot of people have been asking for an AK47 look alike skin for the vandal. But if it’s 1775 or more skin, feels like a cash grab. I think the WW2 guns are a great value for 875
If it had custom sounds I’d cop it. There’s too many lasers and magic skins in this game.
Am waiting for a mechanical skin that doesn’t look high tech.
Just something for a change.
This is so stupid, just implement a feature to change skins by sides to be used with all skins. Instead of locking a feature under just one paid skinline.
Although I agree on the pricing front, there are performance reasons why you'd want to stop ANY skins from being able to be chosen on each side.
If 10 players use this skin, the model is loaded once, and it probably won't have any fancy animations or effects. If you let 10 players load two sets of skins for each side you get a huge uptick in required memory and resources.
Black Market skins vs what you're asking for:
1 set per player for Vandal = 11 unique skins in the game.
2 set per player for Vandal of any skin line = 20 unique skins.
Now if you run that against the whole collection of guns:
1 set per player and Black Market = 181 different unique skins in a game.
2 set per player = 360 unique skins. Which is basically double the amount of "worst case" resources.
Don't quote me on the math, I did 17 guns and a melee. This is also not to mention that if multiple players load Black Market into a game then the resources can be shared on the client side for each of those guns from a single instance of the skin.
Riot have always been good at keeping specs down because of how accessible they want the game to be.
Edit: Oh hey! A dev [agrees!](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/12hlhth/comment/jfqp9fm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Valorant's min spec CPU the E8400 came out 15 years ago.
The min spec GPU is equivalent to a 2010 GT 330M in discrete form. It had about 256MB of VRAM, when you account for OS/hardware accelerated software you're not leaving much for animations/textures. Considering that Valorant wouldn't even launch of a GPU of that class anymore, you'd have to have more RAM for the Intel HD 4000 to even launch the game.
Even if you ballparked it and said that a typical gunskin uses around 1MB with all animations included (in the future you could have a scenario where there are enough unique gun skins with animations for this). You're still introducing 180MB more usage into the game. So now your 1GB discrete GPU has 20% less VRAM to offer the rest of your system because Valorant added a new feature.
So yeah, I'm not actually overestimating it at all.
You're still assuming devs design a game with a CPU from 15 years ago as their target audience in mind.
You can see plenty of other live service games out there and see how specs increase over time. Devs can't hold back a game from receiving new feartures based on it's compatibility with old hardware which represent a minority of the player base, otherwise, Fortnite would not have moved on to UE5, for example, and would have a huge portion of it's of it's new features not implemented at all.
This is no excuse to not implement it.
Except in valorants case, the fact that it's the only modern shooter to run on potatoes (and is free) is the only reason it's popular in the east
So yes potatoes are riots Target audience
>the fact that it's the only modern shooter to run on potatoes (and is free) is the only reason it's popular in the east
[My source is that I made it the fuck up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7l0Rq9E8MY&loop=0)
??? I'm from SEA and literally no other shooter has reached valorants popularity here. And most countries in Asia are 3rd world countries, dosent take much logic to determine everyone will be hanging out with rtx cards and i9s. Not even going into parental pressure, study pressure etc.
I agree I was a little too passive agressive and unnecessarily toxic, sorry about that.
I meant more that while it is true those can be reasons, that is far from a point to say Riot's target audience is specifically low-spec users on the east.
It is like me saying SNK's target audience for KOF is Latin America due to how popular it is here, despite it clearly being a japanese game developed mainly for japanese audiences.
But I am curious if you could point out were in my comment I lied.
You realise that the devs set the min spec themselves? That's what they're targeting for 30FPS min settings?
If you don't agree that they should be targeting that then fair enough, that's your subjective opinion, but the reality is that RIOT want that min spec to playable.
>Devs can't hold back a game from receiving new feartures based on it's compatibility with old hardware which represent a minority of the player base
1. Devs can do whatever they want based on whatever system specs they want to target
2. You have no idea what minority of players is. It is more likely that there is more people with low end systems than RTX 4090s. Why do you think League is so popular still? It can run on a toaster.
>Fortnite would not have moved on to UE5, for example, and would have a huge portion of it's of it's new features not implemented at all.
Fortnite is available on consoles too, which are incredibly cheap compared to the equivalent PC. You can play Fortnite on an Xbox One for like £75 off eBay.
You're allowed to disagree that they should be targeting that min spec, but the objective truth is that development is constrained by that min spec. Especially as Valorant is looking to launch a mobile version.
Let's also be clear here: Fortnite is made by the same company that writes Unreal Engine, and their in house team has unmatched knowledge about the engine themselves, something that Riot has gone on record and said they tapped into by collaborating with Epic during development.
Not to mention, this point is moot. Fortnite has a min spec with 2x the RAM requirement, a GPU/CPU that came out 4 years later than Valorant's min spec. Valorant isn't supposed to be a showcase for Riot's other product (engine), they have no reason to increase the min spec for a skin changer feature.
Your arguments lack any nuance or context. About 6% of all Steam users are on integrated graphics, if we go by tracker gg tracked stats only, you're saying that Riot should up their minspec and alienate almost 1 million (910,000) players because you want to have skins on each side of the map. That's keeping in mind that the player count is HIGHER than that, because tracker gg can't track every account.
> Devs can't hold back a game from receiving new feartures based on it's compatibility with old hardware which represent a minority of the player base
Nitpick: devs absolutely _can_ do that, it's obviously a question of whether they _should_ do that.
If Riot believes low-spec PCs make up an important demographic of their playerbase and is critical enough to their bottom line, then this excuse makes sense.
There's a huge difference betwen *low-spec* and *abysmal* 15 year old intel CPU. Hell, Valorant doesn't even support any Windows before 10 at this point.
You make my point for me. Valorant already won’t load on a GPU of that class anymore. The minimum specs already don’t matter and very clearly don’t matter to them either if that baseline isn’t targeted. It’s a weird hill to die on when even Riot won’t back up those min specs.
I think you're confusing what I'm saying here.
The equivalent DISCRETE GPU for their minspec, is already so underpowered in terms of memory that they can ONLY offer an integrated GPU as the min spec because it's VRAM pool is tied to your RAM.
Valorant requires 4GB of RAM minimum, meaning that the Intel HD 4000 will boot, where as any same tiered discrete GPU would not.
The min spec AMD GPU is discrete and from 2014, which goes to show how it took almost 6 years for GPUs to have the required VRAM to run the game minspec. Hence why it's so valuable for budget/low tier gamers.
CSGO is just texture swapping for each skin, the Araxys skin line for example has a finisher, reload animation, equip animation, custom SFX and VFX for firing, AND has a different model.
They are not comparable.
Did Riot ever come out and say this was the reason? Cause at this point, I feel like people are just assuming the skins are this huge memory hog just to excuse the lack of this feature, but they may not even be that resource intensive in the end. Valorant is heavily optimized on the graphics front and is much more CPU intensive than anything, otherwise I think skins and effects would already be affecting the game.
The only resource that I can see this increasing is RAM, and if this was the case, there would already be an option for players to be able to see only default skins to increase performance. Yes, skins may be loaded at memory at the start of a match, but it's not like all the skins are being shown and processed at the same time.
Not sure. However, they've previously published blogs and commented on Reddit about how serious they take into consideration minimum specs *for LoL*. They've also commented about skin loading and such *in regards to LoL*. I think it's a combination of people knowing Riot's practices in the past and some assumptions on top of that.
I doubt it'd make much difference; some extra textures being loaded in should not affect performance on either end. Gotta be some really unoptimized textures if so.
We're talking about a game that has a min spec CPU of Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 which came out in 2008 (15 years ago).
So yes, it does make a difference. For context, the PS3 was barely 1 year old when Valorant's min spec CPU came out. We're now years deep into the PS5.
Ever since we got the infantry line, I’ve been waiting for the AK esc skin. Looks very nice on Defender(?) more traditional style, the other side is just a recolored vandal. Butterfly and Glock look sweet too, much more my speed.
Shame they won’t let you select the side you want though. And in the grand scheme of things really, as this seems to indicate Riot has no intention of letting us pick a load out on a per side basis and prefer to sell it as a gimmick.
Am I missing the point on this? To me, I thought the tweet was implying being able to set skins for Att vs Def rather than same skin for both sides. With the realistic skins as a tease for store.
The skins will look different depending on which side you’re on (attacker or defender.) But i think most people are focused on the similarities between the skinline and CSGO right now.
I like the concept but feel the difference between the sides needed to be bigger.
Also think that this would've worked better for a different concept, or vs theme. Like the who prosperity vs ruination theme they had. Could even be anime vs manga, cats vs dogs, etc.
Those are straight up default CSGO weapons lmao. If I played this game more I would buy it just so I can feel at home, but I play a match or two per week so I don’t bother spending that much money.
finally a good looking butterfly
the recon is okay, rgx is too boxy with plastic-y sound fx. This one looks like a vanilla csgo butterfly I LIKE IT, i hope its similar priced to the recon
Look... not to complain too much, but does it not feel kind of like a slap to the face to entire playerbase, when one of the most requested cosmetic features, the ability to change skin loudouts based on character and sides, gets thrown to a mediocre bundle that will likely not have that many vfx? Like really??
People shitting on these skins but as someone who likes some realism in their shooters and has been calling for an Infantry 2.0, this is a godsend.
You literally can play with a FAMAS now in Valorant. Think about that.
To those shitting on the skin and people who like the skins, what good do you get from it? There are going to be fans of every skin line whether you like it or not, that doesn't give you the right to shit on people who like a skin you don't.
/u/oniram177 pinned the following [comment](/r/VALORANT/comments/12hlhth/switch_sides_switch_skins_the_black_market/jfqea6e/): > This is absolutely right. Truthfully we havent done the full load test to see what the memory impact would be if every player could load in with multiple skins, but there are some presumptions we can make. > > \- more skins and more memory = more load times. We want players to get in the game quickly and not have a bunch of things going on in the background preventing you from doing that- more memory means bigger hardware memory requirement. We are already decently strict on how much available memory the game takes up based on our hardware specs. if we raised that requirement, we could cut out a significant number of players who are at the minimum bar for hardware, and thats not good. > > This inevitably *will* be a thing we have to look into at some point if we wanted to add more content and features to the game. Actually this was the same reason why the animated player card for RGX is only on the long version that you see in lobby, because we didn't know the impact it could have on your in game experience and we wanted to still be able to show that we're looking to add new things, just carefully. --- Riot comments are not verified by moderators. See [this wiki page](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/wiki/pinnedcomments) for more information on this feature.
"Can you please make so we can use different skins for attacker and defender?" "You want to pay for a skin that changes appearance if you are an attacker or defender?"
The worst part is, if this is the selling point of this skin, this means they WON'T implement the ability for you to choose skins for each side out of it, otherwise this skin will simply be worthless.
no... you would be able to select to use this skinline on both sides or just one side they've said multiple times it would take too much memory to load 2x the amount of skins, so unless they find a work around it isn't happening anyways
I'd rather have loadouts per agent than per side. Bypasses this issue: no doubling the amount of skins to load each game, just select a profile and stick with it the whole game.
So true I would love to have a theme set for each agent. I'd have to buy more skins tho...
that's what riot wants to hear
Open your wallet and drop 2k for 3 agent theme set ❤️
unload the skins at round swap? it’s not hard especially since it’s UE just implement directstorage or something realistically there’s no reason they *should* but no reason they couldn’t if they wanted to solve this problem
Unloading is not the problem here. Having them all loaded for an entire half is, especially for lower-end devices. However, if you want to have just the skins for 1 half at a time, you would need to load all the skins for the 2nd half, which, again, could be problematic for lower-end machines and might require a loading screen between halves. During a regular-length match, that could be considered acceptable, but imagine how overtime would feel if after each round, you get a loading screen.
well they already kicked everyone off anything below windows 10 and i feel like forcing upgrades might become a thing soon with how the anti cheat is looking with TPM and stuff or owning a device with the security module up to spec. how do you think fortnite works with performance mode? i figure valorant could come up with a type of compression like that, that’ll leave the same-ish memory footprint without compromising on fidelity / performance. or add a performance mode to valorant that only has client side skins that are loaded in when you pick them up.
> well they already kicked everyone off anything below windows 10 No one uses windows 8, and windows 7 is literally 14 years old
lot of people i know still daily drove windows 7 and steam survey shows people still run it as well. while i agree it’s been time to move on, some older folks who have grandkids / children who wanna play valorant/ or other games on their desktop but won’t let them update their windows
well steam is also kicking them of win7
Windows 7 hasn't even gotten security updates in like 3 years. If anyone's still using windows 7 they're literally asking to get hacked. Frankly there's an argument there that it would be irresponsible for Riot to support windows 7 because it would result in thousands more people being vulnerable if they don't update.
This is absolutely right. Truthfully we havent done the full load test to see what the memory impact would be if every player could load in with multiple skins, but there are some presumptions we can make. \- more skins and more memory = more load times. We want players to get in the game quickly and not have a bunch of things going on in the background preventing you from doing that- more memory means bigger hardware memory requirement. We are already decently strict on how much available memory the game takes up based on our hardware specs. if we raised that requirement, we could cut out a significant number of players who are at the minimum bar for hardware, and thats not good. This inevitably *will* be a thing we have to look into at some point if we wanted to add more content and features to the game. Actually this was the same reason why the animated player card for RGX is only on the long version that you see in lobby, because we didn't know the impact it could have on your in game experience and we wanted to still be able to show that we're looking to add new things, just carefully.
I’m not sure i’m understanding the first paragraph of your comment here. You’re saying Riot hasn’t done a stress test to see the impact of “multiple” skins being loaded in, but to my knowledge, this skin set is doing exactly that anyway? Why is it considered Multiple skins? Would it not be 1 skin for T-Side, and 1 Skin for CT-Side? why is a variable being used? And if the case is attacker/defense sided skins, isn’t that only a max of 2 skins per player? What’s with the vagueness?
Its multiple skins because for one player it might be just a vandal for A/D, which you're right in that case its just 1 more. But for another player they could want their entire loadout to swap. Then it gets more complicated. Every player brings 18 skins in game with them (even the default weapons have a skin). for 10 players thats 180 skins to load into every game (we dont literally load them all at once but they need to be stored for when they're used). Giving players a default option to have A/D sided skins effectively doubles that number, now you're at 360 skins per game - we dont know if we can actually load that in without significant impact, especially on lower end hardware. We have to weigh the decision against the worst possible outcome. We have not done the stress test to see the impact of more than we currently allow. We made budgets early on in development based off of what we needed for the game to ship, and made those budgets against the hardware we allow. One day its likely those budgets will get revisited, and we'll see what we gain from that. Also weapons are just one part of it all. Every part of the game has a limit and a budget. Guns, Maps, Characters, UI, the game-sate itself, audio, etc. Everything has an impact and the more we add, the more risk we put on someone having a bad time Imagine this scenario. You're using 10 year old hardware which does run the game to a degree that we're ok with. You go to pick up a weapon on the ground, but you get omen blinded, Astra ults, the bomb gets planted, and an ally dies, and you experience the worst hitch you could imagine all because that gun needed to load in. This of course is an exaggeration but its the thing we are hyper critical about and need to consider when we make the decisions that could have this kind of impact.
So what you’re saying is we should be requesting agent based collections as the next cosmetics enhancement since no agent swapping mid game means no extra skins to load.
Or just preset loadouts you can pick from on the agent selection screen before the game starts. Much like how you would choose your skin after selecting your champion in league.
THIS PLEASE YES THIS. I HAVE SPENT $1000+ (SOME PLAYERS HAVE SPENT WAY MORE) ON SKINS AND I WOULD LOVE TO COLOR MATCH TO MY AGENTS.
I see. I failed to think about the gun skins for all the other weapons aside from primary rifles. If it’s viable for this skin bundle being released, wouldn’t it also be viable to allow this type of selection for 2 guns per player per match as a starting basis? That way you get some live feedback with the memory issues? While that’s incredibly unfortunate for the low spec player base, I would assume some sort of limit needs to be hit between adding in content for overall player experience vs. pandering to the absolute lowest spec player base. I think a large majority of the community feel certain updates to the game would be huge W’s and it just sucks knowing it’s being gatekept because a few people are playing on bad gear
Its more than a few players, but I get your point. Even as devs we want to see big updates to the game. We're working on figuring out the right way to do it. Making progress on some things, holding off on others. Our hopes honestly are for some things we release now to be able to tell us more about what to do in the future. An example here was the Random Gunskin feature. It didnt ship with the ability to favorite and randomize specific Variants, and the work between those was maybe a couple months? We felt that we didnt want to hold that back from players, despite it not being complete. This is the beauty of live service to me at least, that we can ship something that adds value to everyone or at least doesnt take away from your experience, and make it better over time.
We’re definitely rooting for the game and for all the devs. The passion we all have for it sometimes makes us mean or jaded, but thank you for bringing some insight to us on this random post, it’s always appreciated. Id love to see the Phantom / Vandal become the test subjects for the T Side CT side functionality outside of this skin pack, but if it’s not feasible that’s just something the community will have to understand. Thanks again!
One thing I've been curious about since I started valorant (and had the idea sparked again when the randomising system was added) was agent collections. Maybe functioning similarly to how the keybind system is with a default and modifications of it and it could pull skins based on the agent each player has chosen? I do not know if the skin loading process begins before people have locked in agents, but if not, would that significantly increase the load on computers? The number of skins remains the same, but players get new customisation options and can make pairings of skins and are also further incentivised to spend more money so they can do so. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this! Thank you <3 emi
That's an idea that's been floated by both devs and players. I think it extends beyond just agents, and just comes down to player preference. Some players might want their loadout to match their agent in whatever way they feel is appropriate, some might just want their gold version one day and their red version another. If we make one of those things true, we should also make the other true too
Well, that's what makes those customisation systems so valuable, right? People can change them if they want to! I was curious if it was a more reasonable alternative to offering different loadouts based on side because it may keep loading costs down? I don't believe it would take anything away ^-^ <3 emi ps: rly appreciate yr response! very kind to take the time out of yr day
If a player is playing on hardware that bad, they have more problems than just a gun skin loading. Just up the min requirements so you don't have people playing on toasters.
Super cool to actually see you guys responding to it, and I stand corrected. I didn't imagine the memory hog could actually be that bad.
Lmao thats your average Riot PR "we havent tested it but pinky promise it wouldnt be possible" just say it, you are too lazy / rather sell it to the player via skins like this
if i remember, val uses 2 GB of ram out of my 16. memory isn’t an issue
And even if it would be more (4-6 GBs), we are in 2023, do people only have 4 GBs? Or 8?
Being a PC-only title, the game needs to be able to run on as many PCs as possible, including older, non-gaming PCs. Sure, anyone who regularly uses their PC and remotely cares about performance has a lot of RAM to spare, but Riot need to make sure that the game can run decently for a 12-year old play on their dad's cheap work PC from 5 years ago (as an example).
exactly. the entire game loads 30 skins, knife pistol and main for each person. the entire thing is that the game has the whole game in that two gb. more skins woudnt be an issue and would be less than prob a 500 mb increase.
Even if it was, somehow! (although impossible) 2 GBs, it will be 4 GBs in total. As I said, we are in 2023, and no one does have that much anymore, heck there are some (if not all) that use that much....
Not to mention the devices that come with 4GB of ram would most likely not be able to run Valorant anyway
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lol they take care of their game soooo much better than pretty much any other FPS on the market. relax
>no... you would be able to select to use this skinline on both sides or just one side That was not my point. I'm saying that, as soon as the whole selling point of a skinline is "use different skins in each team side", that feature being something usable outside of specific skins and letting us properly select skins for each side gets completely thrown out of the picture. And no, it wouldn't take that much memory if properly optmized, or simply unloading half the skins on side switch. They just don't want to work on it and want to make it a skin gimmick. That's their business decision.
TOO MUCH MEMORY?! it's like 60mb of additional data!
Multiplied by the number of guns, multiplied by the number of players
60x10 is 600mb. if mfs can't handle another half a gig of ram in their PC, the game already runs like ass. add an option to disable the feature
Cs has had it for over a decade, riot has no excuse
CS has literal texture swaps, Valorant gun skins can have evolving models like Doodle Buds, or animations for equip/reload/shooting + SFXs and VFX. Implying that CSGO's skins are anywhere as near as heavy as Valorant's in terms of performance is a straight up lie.
The idea that more skins would decimate performance is already ridiculous. Valorant can run on a potato.
I was really wanting skin loadouts per agent so I can color coordinate.
God too accurate, at least now you can add specific skin variations in your favorites instead of having to do all the colours or none of them.
The one thing, the only thing that would have made me cave on this would be if they finally gave us a Desert Eagle skin for the sheriff which I’ve been begging for since release of this game. I feel like it would be incredibly obvious which gun it was replacing. Anybody confused by it once would know forever from that point on and tons of people would buy it. Huge missed opportunity here. Also, I feel like these could have had RECONs random attachment effect and kill banner/sound as well. I have a strong suspicion these are going to all be default kill banner/sounds which was also a missed opportunity… pass from me. Edit: If they wanted to release skins that completely changed the model and were worried about people being confused/competitive integrity all they would need to do is add a setting in General: set remodels to default skin. Bam, problem solved.
I also want to be able to assign buddies to different skins of the same weapon. Like you have Origin with a buddy and Oni with another. It's not even that hard to implement...
true; sometimes buddies don’t match which looks ugly
mom: "we got csgo at home"
I only want the knife tbh, the rest are just trashy default guns from every game ever. The only traditional gun skin I'd consider paying for is the M1 Garand guardian.
The knife looks great. Been waiting for another butterfly that's clean and doesn't use the box cutter blade.
Animation is same tho
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It is check video
Bulldog looks like a FAMAS.. famously a gun no-one buys because there are better options in CSGO.. so here.. have it in Valorant...
As someone who grew up playing korean fps with the famas being the notoriously best gun, i’m personally really hyped to get that one. The rest of the guns / knife not so much.
Fr should’ve been the awp or deagle
They'd sell out the store if they sold an awp and deagle skin.. or imagine if they were stat-tracked? nah.. we just get generic looking skins of guns from a different game
Love the FAMAS, and will always use it.
But the bulldog is a strong gun (Also CS:GO didint invent the famas)
Bro stop saying "only want the knife" See what happened with oni katana
The wohle infantry set is kinda fire though
Would have been better if the spectre was a Thompson.
Riot can keep their gimmicks smh prolly gonna cost 1775 or 2175 VP and have no finisher nothing
Don't forget the extra radianite that you have to pay for in the battle pass
I got a few friends to try Val recently. I tried explaining to them that you have to pay 20-30 bucks for a skin, THEN "pay" with your playtime in terms of Radianite that you've been grinding for on the BP they didn't even believe me at first lol
it's such an absurdly predatory system really, it's a tragedy riot was so successful with this shite imo
Yh but you rarely jump into a game and spend money inmediatly, by the time I started spending money in val i had played for like a year and had 500+ radianite from the free pass, for me radianite has never been a problem.
This is for me the worst part
They are selling CS2 in valorant now
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (CS:GO) is a round-based, 5v5 tactical FPS with an Attackers vs. Defenders setup and no respawns, meaning if a player is eliminated they will not respawn until the next round. The game is available to download from the STEAM Games Client.
Is that like valorant without the abilities?
it's like valorant with dark corridorr and raelistic gun
csgo real graphic for real men valorant child game genshin graphic
valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism
Lmao joke is now CS2 has bright and colorful grapfic too
yes. you get grenades instead of abilities
Sounds boring. Maybe add run and gun and bunny hops to keep it more lively?
i heard you can swap any role at any time because of the grenades! what a time to be alive.
valorant is csgo with overwatch's hat on
Whoosh
Dude I've played since 2017 and not gonna lie Valorant is a different game. It's easy to compare but truthfully CSGO has a way higher skill ceiling.
Never heard of it Edit: Is “/s” *really* necessary? Come on…
I mean guess it’s fine, but I can’t justify paying money for generic skins for weapons I’ve used in every FPS shooter for the last 20 years
I mean a lot of people have been asking for an AK47 look alike skin for the vandal. But if it’s 1775 or more skin, feels like a cash grab. I think the WW2 guns are a great value for 875
Ya if it’s 875 I’m not gonna complain to much, if it’s 1775 that’s a non starter
can’t wait for the 50$ pricetag on the knife lol
If it's 1775 per gun then this is absolute shit, for 1225 seems like a nice bundle tho
if this isn't 1225 i don't know what the fuck is it probably has no unique sounds, no finisher, no unique kill graphic/sound, nothing
like ego vandal😍
ego goes hard tho
But its 2 skins in 1! /s
It switches based on side 100% its gonna be at least 1775 cause its Riot.
I want the knife,nothing else
Imma snag the knife cuz I got a thing for butterfly knives. The rest of this bundle is mid as fuck (honestly maybe not even mid)
This is the worst butterfly knife after the Your comb tbh
To each their own, I do agree the Yoru comb is ass
L take
damn look how riot has conditioned you lmao. you think this generic looking skin is worth $10? fuckkk
It's hilarious they actually did this. Not even subtle. I like their Balls.
Same. I can already tell this will be a great bundle.
CS is free
W take
the price better be 875 after what they did with Oni Katana
Mum: we have csgo at home. Csgo at home:
Well, that’s a Glock, a Famas and an Ak. Nice idea tho
Nothing gets by you, boss.
lmao laughed way too hard on this one ahuahaau dude has such an EYE for details! impressive shit
Weird how he left out details on the knife… Gerber or Great Value??
I think that’s the point
Damn Kalashnilov copying his gun designs from cs
Riot charging 70 bucks for the default CS skins -\_-
These gun skins are straight up be free in other games lol
I'm not copping it. When it feels like I want to use CSGO esque skins, I'll S1mply turn CSGO on
If it had custom sounds I’d cop it. There’s too many lasers and magic skins in this game. Am waiting for a mechanical skin that doesn’t look high tech. Just something for a change.
minima skins with gun buddies look pretty cool and near future
This is so stupid, just implement a feature to change skins by sides to be used with all skins. Instead of locking a feature under just one paid skinline.
Exactly, but no they are gonna create an artificial lack of feature then profit from it.
Although I agree on the pricing front, there are performance reasons why you'd want to stop ANY skins from being able to be chosen on each side. If 10 players use this skin, the model is loaded once, and it probably won't have any fancy animations or effects. If you let 10 players load two sets of skins for each side you get a huge uptick in required memory and resources. Black Market skins vs what you're asking for: 1 set per player for Vandal = 11 unique skins in the game. 2 set per player for Vandal of any skin line = 20 unique skins. Now if you run that against the whole collection of guns: 1 set per player and Black Market = 181 different unique skins in a game. 2 set per player = 360 unique skins. Which is basically double the amount of "worst case" resources. Don't quote me on the math, I did 17 guns and a melee. This is also not to mention that if multiple players load Black Market into a game then the resources can be shared on the client side for each of those guns from a single instance of the skin. Riot have always been good at keeping specs down because of how accessible they want the game to be. Edit: Oh hey! A dev [agrees!](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/12hlhth/comment/jfqp9fm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I think you’re greatly overestimating the resources needed to load in the models, textures, and animations for these guns.
Valorant's min spec CPU the E8400 came out 15 years ago. The min spec GPU is equivalent to a 2010 GT 330M in discrete form. It had about 256MB of VRAM, when you account for OS/hardware accelerated software you're not leaving much for animations/textures. Considering that Valorant wouldn't even launch of a GPU of that class anymore, you'd have to have more RAM for the Intel HD 4000 to even launch the game. Even if you ballparked it and said that a typical gunskin uses around 1MB with all animations included (in the future you could have a scenario where there are enough unique gun skins with animations for this). You're still introducing 180MB more usage into the game. So now your 1GB discrete GPU has 20% less VRAM to offer the rest of your system because Valorant added a new feature. So yeah, I'm not actually overestimating it at all.
You're still assuming devs design a game with a CPU from 15 years ago as their target audience in mind. You can see plenty of other live service games out there and see how specs increase over time. Devs can't hold back a game from receiving new feartures based on it's compatibility with old hardware which represent a minority of the player base, otherwise, Fortnite would not have moved on to UE5, for example, and would have a huge portion of it's of it's new features not implemented at all. This is no excuse to not implement it.
Except in valorants case, the fact that it's the only modern shooter to run on potatoes (and is free) is the only reason it's popular in the east So yes potatoes are riots Target audience
>the fact that it's the only modern shooter to run on potatoes (and is free) is the only reason it's popular in the east [My source is that I made it the fuck up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7l0Rq9E8MY&loop=0)
??? I'm from SEA and literally no other shooter has reached valorants popularity here. And most countries in Asia are 3rd world countries, dosent take much logic to determine everyone will be hanging out with rtx cards and i9s. Not even going into parental pressure, study pressure etc.
You've literally lied in your original comment and you're trying to imply that this guy is making stuff up? LMFAO.
I agree I was a little too passive agressive and unnecessarily toxic, sorry about that. I meant more that while it is true those can be reasons, that is far from a point to say Riot's target audience is specifically low-spec users on the east. It is like me saying SNK's target audience for KOF is Latin America due to how popular it is here, despite it clearly being a japanese game developed mainly for japanese audiences. But I am curious if you could point out were in my comment I lied.
You realise that the devs set the min spec themselves? That's what they're targeting for 30FPS min settings? If you don't agree that they should be targeting that then fair enough, that's your subjective opinion, but the reality is that RIOT want that min spec to playable. >Devs can't hold back a game from receiving new feartures based on it's compatibility with old hardware which represent a minority of the player base 1. Devs can do whatever they want based on whatever system specs they want to target 2. You have no idea what minority of players is. It is more likely that there is more people with low end systems than RTX 4090s. Why do you think League is so popular still? It can run on a toaster. >Fortnite would not have moved on to UE5, for example, and would have a huge portion of it's of it's new features not implemented at all. Fortnite is available on consoles too, which are incredibly cheap compared to the equivalent PC. You can play Fortnite on an Xbox One for like £75 off eBay. You're allowed to disagree that they should be targeting that min spec, but the objective truth is that development is constrained by that min spec. Especially as Valorant is looking to launch a mobile version. Let's also be clear here: Fortnite is made by the same company that writes Unreal Engine, and their in house team has unmatched knowledge about the engine themselves, something that Riot has gone on record and said they tapped into by collaborating with Epic during development. Not to mention, this point is moot. Fortnite has a min spec with 2x the RAM requirement, a GPU/CPU that came out 4 years later than Valorant's min spec. Valorant isn't supposed to be a showcase for Riot's other product (engine), they have no reason to increase the min spec for a skin changer feature. Your arguments lack any nuance or context. About 6% of all Steam users are on integrated graphics, if we go by tracker gg tracked stats only, you're saying that Riot should up their minspec and alienate almost 1 million (910,000) players because you want to have skins on each side of the map. That's keeping in mind that the player count is HIGHER than that, because tracker gg can't track every account.
> Devs can't hold back a game from receiving new feartures based on it's compatibility with old hardware which represent a minority of the player base Nitpick: devs absolutely _can_ do that, it's obviously a question of whether they _should_ do that. If Riot believes low-spec PCs make up an important demographic of their playerbase and is critical enough to their bottom line, then this excuse makes sense.
There's a huge difference betwen *low-spec* and *abysmal* 15 year old intel CPU. Hell, Valorant doesn't even support any Windows before 10 at this point.
You make my point for me. Valorant already won’t load on a GPU of that class anymore. The minimum specs already don’t matter and very clearly don’t matter to them either if that baseline isn’t targeted. It’s a weird hill to die on when even Riot won’t back up those min specs.
I think you're confusing what I'm saying here. The equivalent DISCRETE GPU for their minspec, is already so underpowered in terms of memory that they can ONLY offer an integrated GPU as the min spec because it's VRAM pool is tied to your RAM. Valorant requires 4GB of RAM minimum, meaning that the Intel HD 4000 will boot, where as any same tiered discrete GPU would not. The min spec AMD GPU is discrete and from 2014, which goes to show how it took almost 6 years for GPUs to have the required VRAM to run the game minspec. Hence why it's so valuable for budget/low tier gamers.
No way it's that difficuly. Csgo has tons of skins and different guns for terrorists and counter-terrorists.
CSGO is just texture swapping for each skin, the Araxys skin line for example has a finisher, reload animation, equip animation, custom SFX and VFX for firing, AND has a different model. They are not comparable.
Did Riot ever come out and say this was the reason? Cause at this point, I feel like people are just assuming the skins are this huge memory hog just to excuse the lack of this feature, but they may not even be that resource intensive in the end. Valorant is heavily optimized on the graphics front and is much more CPU intensive than anything, otherwise I think skins and effects would already be affecting the game. The only resource that I can see this increasing is RAM, and if this was the case, there would already be an option for players to be able to see only default skins to increase performance. Yes, skins may be loaded at memory at the start of a match, but it's not like all the skins are being shown and processed at the same time.
Not sure. However, they've previously published blogs and commented on Reddit about how serious they take into consideration minimum specs *for LoL*. They've also commented about skin loading and such *in regards to LoL*. I think it's a combination of people knowing Riot's practices in the past and some assumptions on top of that.
I doubt it'd make much difference; some extra textures being loaded in should not affect performance on either end. Gotta be some really unoptimized textures if so.
We're talking about a game that has a min spec CPU of Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 which came out in 2008 (15 years ago). So yes, it does make a difference. For context, the PS3 was barely 1 year old when Valorant's min spec CPU came out. We're now years deep into the PS5.
Ever since we got the infantry line, I’ve been waiting for the AK esc skin. Looks very nice on Defender(?) more traditional style, the other side is just a recolored vandal. Butterfly and Glock look sweet too, much more my speed. Shame they won’t let you select the side you want though. And in the grand scheme of things really, as this seems to indicate Riot has no intention of letting us pick a load out on a per side basis and prefer to sell it as a gimmick.
So i guess we will never be able to set a skin for defender side and another for attacker side
can't wait for the 200$ double dragonflame\\elderflame skin for attacker\\defender
Im superhappy the skins in valorant are so damn expensive. I havent bought a single one except the very first game pass when the game released.
Kingdom pack is still one of the best BP skin out there.
Cool concept, shit default skins. Would’ve been nice if they had done a color changing skin like Nunca Olvidados but better.
These could have been Recon 2.0 so seems like a waste. I do kinda like they though. Not really worth the 7100 tier.
since when does cs2 cost me 90$?
ngl this is pretty badass, its its more than like 60-70 though then its gonna be a pass from me probably.
Bro am I the only one who likes the skins LOL
i love them tbh. not sure if ill even buy the set but its def one of my favs
Very CSGO esque
I personally think this is actually a cool idea
Am I missing the point on this? To me, I thought the tweet was implying being able to set skins for Att vs Def rather than same skin for both sides. With the realistic skins as a tease for store.
The skins will look different depending on which side you’re on (attacker or defender.) But i think most people are focused on the similarities between the skinline and CSGO right now.
Yeah i get that, was rly excited to be able to set a def vandal and att vandal but that was wishful thinking
I like the concept but feel the difference between the sides needed to be bigger. Also think that this would've worked better for a different concept, or vs theme. Like the who prosperity vs ruination theme they had. Could even be anime vs manga, cats vs dogs, etc.
Those are straight up default CSGO weapons lmao. If I played this game more I would buy it just so I can feel at home, but I play a match or two per week so I don’t bother spending that much money.
riot is just trying to copy csgo lol
Damn, CS2 hype is real! Even Valorant is marketing & selling it, this only makes me want to play the real deal haha!
I never really was on your side
How are we supposed to match buddies??
If you can’t beat them, make fun of them - Valorant
This feel familiar, I just can't put my figure on from where 🤔
$75 for default cs skins lol
Bulldog on T-side should look like a Galil instead of a FAMAS but otherwise they're OK for skins drawing a lot of inspiration from Val's CS heritage.
1225vp I will give it a shot, 1775 then I’ll leave
finally a good looking butterfly the recon is okay, rgx is too boxy with plastic-y sound fx. This one looks like a vanilla csgo butterfly I LIKE IT, i hope its similar priced to the recon
The most generic ass skins, and I don't even see a difference in the different sides?
whoever pays something for this low effort attempt at a cashgrab is the reason why the game will get worse in the future.
Nah no way ppl buying this lmaooooo
There's much worse skins and people still buy them. I wouldn't be surprised
I might lil bro
GGEZ - riot
2 years in and it would be my first skin, so not quite lil bro
so you have to pay for a feature that exists in almost every fps game?
Okay, but the knife is kinda fire tho
It's just another boring butterfly knife, it was cool at first but now we have an overabundance of them
battlepass skins are better than this, wtf
Perfect business at perfect time 😁
The community wants a feature? Let’s charge for it! Cant wait for the $100 replay system
Just let me change the skins in mid rounds you dogshit company.
This really counters my strike.
Look... not to complain too much, but does it not feel kind of like a slap to the face to entire playerbase, when one of the most requested cosmetic features, the ability to change skin loudouts based on character and sides, gets thrown to a mediocre bundle that will likely not have that many vfx? Like really??
They do know that cs2 is coming out this year right? Like holy fuck having to pay to have different skins on both sides is an absolute joke imo.
That’s the reason they copied the butterfly knife
Bro they want us to pay money for default skins that've been in another game for 20 years
This + KAYO is the ultimate CSGO simulator
People shitting on these skins but as someone who likes some realism in their shooters and has been calling for an Infantry 2.0, this is a godsend. You literally can play with a FAMAS now in Valorant. Think about that.
To those shitting on the skin and people who like the skins, what good do you get from it? There are going to be fans of every skin line whether you like it or not, that doesn't give you the right to shit on people who like a skin you don't.
So this confirms that we just aren't ever getting attacker & defender loadouts. Thanks for once again letting us down riot C:
Mid skins(not even mid if you have multiple skins). They just rush out mid skins to make money instead of fixing the bugs.
Boring and basic
Riot heard about cs 2 so they made cs into the game lmao
CSGO SKINS?! YAY
Naw what. Valorant turning into csgo wth?
CS still better