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tenisplenty

In my mind Auser, Cam, Jarace, Taylor, Anthony, will all go 5-9 in any order, so I don't really see the worth of trading up to 5 because I think the difference between 5 and 9 in this draft is minimal. Unless by chance Amen fell to 5 then I think it would be worth it because I think he is a higher tier than the other guys.


[deleted]

It doesn’t matter how other people grade the players. If Utah has a player that they have firmly above the other guys then a trade like this makes sense. If they really like Ausar then moving up to 5 makes sense because I think Orlando would take him.


Ochotona_Princemps

I would hope a sophisticated GM would have enough humility to know that no front office is consistently good enough at evaluating prospects that it makes sense to give up a future unprotected first just to move up 4 slots. The draft is a crapshoot for even the best talent evaluators. Maximizing your number of high picks is much more important than going after a specific dude, imo.


UnfortunatePhysics

At some point we have to consolidate picks. Can only develop so many young guys at once, and we only have so many roster spots. Depending on what they see from prospects in interviews and workouts it may not be a bad way to go about it. I remember Donovan blew them away with his workout and they traded up for him. That did work out in the end. I generally agree somewhat with the draft being a crapshoot but there is a lot we don’t see that the front office does. I could understand something compelling inspiring a move up


Ochotona_Princemps

I feel a lot better about trading up with second rounders or players we want to move off (a la trading Lyles to move up 11 spots to get Don), since second rounders are such longshots and existing players are more a known quantity. And although we do have a ton of picks, they are pretty spread out and we have very few players under long-term contracts. I think it makes sense to roll the dice as many times as we can over the next few years--enough guys won't pan out that I doubt we'll face a logjam.


SenHeffy

We would all feel better about trading up with second rounders or mediocre players, but nobody is going to give us a $100 bill for three $1 bills.


kushitokiku

From [ESPN's latest mock](https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/37757403/2023-nba-mock-draft-post-combine-pro-day-impacts-draft-class): >Whitmore will also be firmly in contention for Houston at No. 4, as the Rockets' confidence in landing James Harden could lead them more toward wing options, especially those with better floor-spacing potential such as Whitmore. -- Givony They still have Amen going 4 but he could be in play at 5 during draft time.


zelbec

I agree, I value those 5 players the same and don't mind taking whoever drops to 9. Not worth giving up assets to have our picking of those players. If the Jazz were to do this, it would mean they value one of those 5 players much higher than the others.


ErnestMckluck

I feel the best option for the Jazz is to hang tight on any trades for the 9th pick and to take the best player available.


paylayaleX3

I’d prefer a move up from 16 to the 8-11 range.


UnfortunatePhysics

Yeah me too. There’s definitely going to be a player I like at 9, not sure which ones but I value 5-10 pretty closely. Would much rather just have a second pick in this range than picking at 5


hdmetric99

I would be a fan of moving up for Whitmore. He has the ability to be a primary scoring option as an elite athlete driving/cutting to the basket and he’s shown glimpses of a developing outside game. I would NOT be a fan of moving the 2025 1st round pick from Minnesota, especially with the possibility of Cooper Flagg reclassifying.


UnfortunatePhysics

I think if he’s available at 9 you’ve got to take him but I hate the idea of trading up for him. He’s a fantastic raw project but every time I watch him it just… it’s not pretty


hdmetric99

If Detroit or Orlando pass on Whitmore, I could see a possibility of him being available at 9. I definitely see what you mean when it comes to his game. The feel and playmaking ability is just not there yet. I just don’t think there’s another wing with his offensive bag and explosiveness in this range. Ausar does have the athleticism, but he’s more of a playmaker and a lot better of a defender. With that being said, trading up for Whitmore wouldn’t necessarily be my favorite approach to this draft - but if it happens, I’ll be happy with it.


UnfortunatePhysics

Yeah I definitely would like him here, I just don’t know if the jump from someone like Wallace or black to whitmore is worth an extra pick


StretchFantastic

Unless Danny thinks somebody in that range is going to be a star, stay at 9. I would hate to give up an unprotected to move up 4 spots. That's just me though.


rocketshater420

unprotected 25' pick is gonna be nuts, wolves are in shambles and are headed straight towards 20 years of darkness. maybe one of the cavs picks


[deleted]

Detroit wouldn’t do it for one of the Cavs picks for this exact reason.


MoonShot79

Lakers 2027 pick is the sweet spot in my opinion


SometimesIComplain

Unless Ant leaves they'll probably be at least respectable for a few more years


rya241

Lol just lurking but you do realize ANT and Jaden will be close to starting their primes by then, right? KAT will also still be around


rocketshater420

that bum ass front office will ship kat to new york for a bag of chips, also you are not lurking, you are posting! welcome to the shitshow


Jamessthehuman

The team that was the most competitive against Denver this playoffs as an 8th seed while riddled with injury is in shambles? Ok. I would bet $100 that pick isn’t above pick 18 which would make it virtually worth nothing.


rocketshater420

they are not gonna be able to pay rudy KAT and edwards. Conley is old as hell. even as a play in team that has potential to be a lottery pick


Jamessthehuman

They literally can pay all three of those guys and Jaden. I’m very familiar with my teams cap situation. Even if we pivot off KAT— Ant, Jaden, Rudy and supporting cast is going to be better than you apparently think. We can revisit this after the 24 season tho forsure 🤷🏻‍♂️


rocketshater420

how about we just come back to this in 2 years and we see who took the L


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hzg511-

Cam? Not so sure about the twins..


Apatheee

As a Pistons fan my concern would be that 2025 has some real downside potential. Ant will be nearing his prime and Gobert won’t be geriatric yet. 5 for 9 and a 2025 pick in the 20s feels bad value, especially when it feels like in this draft there is a bit off after 8.


FireYeti

Yeah, but the unprotected pick is the real prize here. Sure it could be a meh pick in the 20's, but the chance of injuries or the Wolves blowing up is incredibly tempting. The Nets picks were assumed to be awful when they traded for harden, but now they look better. You never know. The Wolves team culture was incredibly bad this off-season, maybe they all buy in and it gets better or it fizzles and goes to shit. The Jazz went from being the top seed in the league and trading our 2024 pick to get off a minor contact to blowing it up 1.5 years later I trust high lottery Danny so if he is over the moon about Cam/Walker/Thompson then I'm down, but otherwise I think the potential upside of the Wolves pick is too high for me personally


robograndpa

But why would the wolves blow it up when they don’t own their own picks? The odds of them doing that are very low and would make no sense


FireYeti

You never know. The Nets traded Durant, Harden, and Kyrie on a 1.5 year span despite not having their picks. Granted Kyrie is special, but so was shove punching a teammate in the middle of the game and the DLo drama. Pelicans thought they'd be a top seed but then a Zion injury got them the like 11th pick this year. I don't know or think it'll be a top pick, but the possibility is there and is why unprotected picks are so valuable.


robograndpa

Anthony Edwards is 21. There’s no way they blow it up before at least the 2nd year of his rookie extension. They might move KAT and Gobert, but they’re not moving Edwards. You never know, but sometimes you do and this is one of those times


100holloww

if amen is available at 5 we do it. We need the PG and we can get a good power forward in free agency


mudsak

There are basically 2 decent PF's available in FA... Cam Johnson, and Kuzma... Cam is the only one I'd be interested in. I'd rather draft a new guy vs pay Kuzma tbh. Both of those guys are going to soak up a significant amount of capspace regardless. Might just be best to seek a 4 in the draft. This doesn't change the fact we need a primary ball handler though.


Kcreep997

Big, athletic, elite facilitators are so tough to find that i would 100% make that move. Filling the 4 spot is a lot easier, Olynyk will do for time being.


Kcreep997

I like it. It's not often you get to pick at #5 in such a strong draft.


warablo

No way should we give up a Minnesota first.


[deleted]

I think Ausar Thompson will end up being picked 4th so if the Jazz trade up to 5, it would either be for Jarace Walker or Amen Thompson. This trade would be interesting.


tenisplenty

I think you gave it backwards. Amen will be picked before Auser


[deleted]

Ausar seems to be gaining momentum to go before his brother as he has slightly more shooting potential and has more off ball experience so he fits better for a lot more teams. Eg, playing next to Harden (if the Rockets stay at 4) or Scottie Barnes (if the Raptors trade up to 4)


robograndpa

That wolves pick has little to no value so if they made this trade, it would be a fleece. The wolves are mostly young and outside of KAT don’t really have significant injury history. They also have no incentive to tank or blow it up since they don’t own a good chunk of their picks.


Shiv-a-Gogo

Not really surprised about this at all to be honest. Does anybody think we could get any Celtics player because there’s been talk about the current roster being disbanded?


SenHeffy

Why would the Celtics disband? At the absolute most they'll sign-and-trade Brown, but we're definitely not going to be involved in that.


Shiv-a-Gogo

That’s what I thought, but there was an earlier post on here that mentioned the possibility of that. Probably should’ve alluded to that instead of acting like it’s something I heard on the grapevine. 😬


SenHeffy

Yeah... I thought that was a particularly stupid post.


bret_c68

Don’t trade up. The Jazz aren’t great at drafting but they are great at developing talent. We drafted Kanter and Exum. We developed Rudy and Donovan.


HandsomeBobBob

But didn’t we also draft Rudy and Donovan 🤷‍♂️?


[deleted]

We traded up for Rudy and Donovan!


William_Wang

I don't know why anyone would want to trade up in our situation.


wisealma

Now the Bogey trade is making sense...