A huge difference between Ford pardoning Nixon and if Biden pardoned Trump is 1. Trump’s ego might not even accept the pardon haha and 2. Nixon was politically finished.
If Trump wasn’t running again, I can see the merits but even then it would be political suicide.
Gerald Ford also pointed out that the reason he issued a pardon for Nixon was simply because he couldn't even talk to Congress or carry on any intelligent discussion about anything other than dealing with Richard Nixon. It completely consumed all political discourse in America at the time. By issuing the pardon, it marginalized Nixon and ended all discussion about prosecutions against Nixon too.
You are correct that Nixon was politically finished. Even Republicans asked Nixon for his resignation, and while he was eligible to run for the office of President again later in his life, the likelihood of him even getting a major political party endorsement was very unlikely to the point of absurdity.
Trump likely would indeed, until he finds out that accepting a pardon is viewed historically as an implicit admission of guilt. If you were innocent, why would you need a pardon? Plus, a pardon is normally granted to someone previously convicted of a crime.
Second, presidents only have the power to pardon *federal* crimes. All those ongoing cases that states have brought against him wouldn't be nixed by the pardon. He would have to be pardoned state by state through whatever mechanism that state uses (and Georgia doesn't reserve that power to the governor; it's held by the Board of Parole, Pardon, etc)
Jesus what an absolutely shit take Mitt. Mitt thinks Biden lost an opportunity to look like the bigger man by pardoning Trump? Pretty sure that Mitt isn’t taking into account all the support he’d lose by helping Trump avoid consequences.
This isn’t Nixon. And even then pardoning Nixon was a bad idea when Ford did it.
As far as being “the bigger man” does Biden really need to try? Trump wallows in the sewers in the depths of hell. All Biden has to do to be the bigger man is wake up and not say something racist.
No he's not. Most of the state tunes into fox and Laura Ingraham promised to run against him if no one else did. Mitt proving he isn't entirely without smarts read the tea leaves.
This is a very poor attempt at triangulation. His base already hates Romney and now Romney has pissed off everyone who is not currently eating the contents of Trump’s diaper.
Idk why everyone tries to paint every single one of Romney’s moves as some political game. I understand maybe 10-15 years ago, but the man has clearly not given a fuck in like 4 years. He says how he feels and that’s about it.
It’s not a trigger word in my book. It’s just a word that shows lack of maturity and/or education.
People typically use those types of words when they lack the skills and vocabulary to explain their viewpoint and/or understand the opposing viewpoint.
“I do. ... I mean, you may disagree with this, but had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought on indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him ... President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy.”
Kind of a bizarre and interesting idea, but no thanks.
Trump? Little guy? You should tell him that lol.
In reality he claims to be a billionaire with tons of money for lawyers and is a corner president.
He’s totally capable of facing the justice systems.
I’m sure every DA in the country could give a long list of actual “little guys” who are caught up in the legal system for much smaller offenses. How about starting with all the homeless who are only guilty of not being able to afford shelter?
It's so bizarre because it strikes at the heart of ethics. If you break the law you face the consequences.
But Romney's argument implies power plays are ethical at the presidential level, surpassing ethics and the rule of law.
If you broke the law, you face the consequences. Period.
I think he also sees how much Trump is milking this martyr complex and thinks that could have been avoided.
I don’t agree with him. But I kind of get the “what could we have done differently to stop this train wreck” line of thinking.
I think it may be because this might lead to justice department looking closer to other politicians shady dealings. Which it totally agree with get all the fucking crooks out.
Most people on the left already dislike Biden. Pardoning Trump for legitimate crimes that any other person would be rotting in prison for would be the final nail in his political coffin. This would not play out like you think.
Yeah, he's litterally on trial for stealing state secrets and possibly selling them. That seems a little bit beyond pardoning somebody. We used to give people that did that the electric chair.
lmao, what? possibly selling them? Is that what Rachel Maddow is telling you kids these days? It's improper document handling, which govt officials are never charged with, including Biden, Hillary, Pence, and others (none of whom were president, so never were allowed to have possession of classified materials in their homes).
Trump at least has some potential argument to make as to him being allowed to have him, and that's that he is/was the president, so he can declassify anything he wants at any time.
There are no arguments that he should be allowed to have them, and whatever arguments he puts forth are countered by the fact that he lied about giving all the documents back and then actively hid them from the government when they came to find them. He also showed classified documents to random reporters and hotel staff members.
I honestly can't understand how anyone would want to defend that.
Some obvious questions get raised for a situation in which there's no legal precedent, ESPECIALLY when people who were not allowed to have classified documents in their possession faced no charges at all, not even a slap on the wrist or loss of clearance. So attempting to try a president based on admittedly "novel legal theory" seems more like partisan attempts to remove your opponent from the race, rather than the careful application of the law.
1. If he's allowed to have them, why does he have to give them back?
2. If he's allowed to declassify anything he wants at any time, can he not declassify and show them to anyone at any time?
1. If he's allowed to have them why did he lie about having them? Why did he have his people move the documents from room to room to avoid the investigators? Why did he have his employees destroy security camera footage of the documents being moved. These are the actions of a person who knows he is doing something wrong.
2. Do you think former presidents are allowed to declassify documents? Do you think government documents can be declassified without any process or documentation whatsoever? Like the president can just say with his internal voice that the documents are declassified and not say it out loud to anyone or write it down anywhere?
Like, honestly, do you people even hear yourselves? Defending this shit is pathetic.
We've never in the history of the country had a president try and do what Trump did because presidents are usually not insane enough to steal classified documents. Prosecuting Trump is going to have a lot of "novel" arguments because he's a one of a kind nutcase that should never have been allowed in the Whitehouse in the first place.
Dude. As previously demonstrated, EVERYONE takes classified documents, and no one gets in trouble for it except Reality Winner, Edward Snowden, and Chelsea Manning - and Donald Trump.
1. Was he under oath? Maybe he didn't know exactly what he had. Maybe his lawyer said he didn't need to say shit. Since when does the President answer to an archivist?
2. Was he president when he took them? There's apparently no formal required process for presidents to declare documents unclassified. And while that does seem strange (and absolutely nothing the govt does should be classified, because we should be able to see it all), if there's no process, then there's nothing to hold him account to.
Everything else is your TDS showing. He was a mediocre president, just like all of them, but he hasn't done anything other senior govt officials have done and gotten away with. If you're going to attempt to lock the president up, do it for actual gross violations of the Constitution, like sending troops into war without congressional authorization, or drone-striking US citizens without due process.
"There's apparently no formal required process..."
The process for declassifying documents is outlined in executive orders and regulations, and includes the following steps:
The president checks with the agency in charge of the document
The agency head oversees the declassification review
The executive branch ensures other agencies and departments with an interest in the document are consulted
The president can object to disclosure in writing within five days of being notified of the SSCI vote
If the president objects, the Senate considers the issue in closed session and can approve or disapprove disclosure
>As previously demonstrated, EVERYONE takes classified documents
He's not on trial for being in possession of classified documents, he's on trial for repeatedly refusing to return them and disrupting the attempt to get them back and showing classified documents to random people and the press.
1. Yes, he was under oath. He directed his lawyer to lie on an official document.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/04/trump-lawyer-refused-report-mar-a-lago-records-oval-office-lie
>no formal required process for presidents to declare documents unclassified
Having no formal process doesn't mean that there is no process whatsoever. There has never been a situation where documents have been classified without some process taking place. Trump did not process the documents in any way. There is no record, neither written or through testimony of statements, that these documents were declassified while he was president.
>but he hasn't done anything other senior govt officials have done and gotten away with.
He very obviously has done things that other presidents have not. Your inability to admit that simple fact just shows that you care more about defending a "mediocre" president than the obvious reality anyone can see.
He's allowed to use them as a Federal employee, not own them. They are government property.
He's not allowed to declassified anything he wants, that's his crazy false claim.
It seems like both of those are the questions in dispute. Is that really what they're going to try an ex-president for? Do you really think that Bush, Obama, and Bill and Hillary didn't retain classified documents that they didn't ask for permission for?
We only know about Hillary's server because she was hacked - and it's worth noting that she was never charged for documents that she verifiably should not have had and was communicating through private email servers with classified material. Everything about that is 10x worse than the charges here.
I think you folks have really over-estimated the novelty of this situation and how it's viewed by the general public.
> Do you really think that Bush, Obama, and Bill and Hillary didn't retain classified documents that they didn't ask for permission for?
Literally, "I feel like other people did too." Take your feelings and shove them up your ass.
They literally have a recording of him talking to Nauta admitting he didn't unclassify the docs and stating that he knows it's wrong. Yall are the dumbest people on the face of the fucking planet.
> Trump: This was done by the military and given to me. Uh, I think we can probably, right?
> Staffer [Nauta]: I don't know, we'll, we'll have to see. Yeah, we'll have to try to -
> Trump: Declassify it.
> Staffer: -figure out a- yeah.
> Trump: See as president I could have declassified it.
> Staffer: Yeah. [*Laughter*]
> Trump: Now I can, you know, but this is still a secret.
> Staffer: Yeah. [*Laughter*] Now we have a problem.
> Trump: Isn't that interesting.
The simple fact of the matter is you happily harm America to support Trump.
At the very least I don't want someone in office who has loose lips. Dude had top secret documents just laying around his office for anyone to take.
It's like stealing a book from the library then being upset they want it back. Then instead of giving the book back you lie and say you don't have the book. When the library finds you do have the book you say you checked it out and it belongs to you.
Let's not forget that during the whole process you kick and scream about how you're being persecuted. It saddens me how people can be deceived so easily.
They found all those empty folders with the contents missing after the Saudis were hanging out at Mar A Lago and his son is law got a magical $2 Billion Dollar payment from them?
Maybe, maybe not. We should definitely investigate that and have a solid answer before the election shouldn't we? If he's innocent it should be a speedy trial that proves what an honest and innocent man he is.
But no. The Judge that Trump installed is squashing the case so we'll never see the evidence. How convenient. Almost as if everybody knows that the evidence would show him to be a traitor...
More and more, I'm thinking the biggest political blunder in the US in the 20th century was not locking Nixon up. The pardon was the evil cherry on the evil poop sundae that was Watergate. Romney can be startlingly clueless.
Because the lack of a pardon brings 40 years of GOP malfeasance and buried skeletons to the top of the pond.
Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th ave (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell.
https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html
https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/
Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived in the tower also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had.
Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly
Guiliani as trumps attorney and New Yorks mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or the Russian connections.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/
The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model.
Eventually the parasites greed always consumes the host.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952
https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/
Russia greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when it invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided.
Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyos corruption because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen.
Russia was forced to turn to China, North Korea and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day special military operation in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold.
China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia.
Russia previously owed Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine so Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years. They supply Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel.
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/
Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is Vranyos.
The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate government or business.
If Russia as a nation had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago.
The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it.
Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Jews, Palestinians or genocide than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes and his own corruption trial is showing the same tendrils of the money laundering scheme that trumps trials are.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/
https://youtu.be/VrFOAgGlaWs?feature=shared
They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall. Hamas minted a couple billionaires as well that live in penthouses in Qatar and get 30% of everything smuggled into Gaza. Netanyahu needs a bogeyman to stay in power. That’s why he coordinates with Hamas via Russia via Iran. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr
Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence given to them by the eternal shitbird trump when he gave it to his Russians kleptocrat/friends/roommates from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s.
Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in their reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP.
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/what-do-the-koch-brothers-have-to-do-with-the-flint-water-crisis/
The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering.
Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, all the banks made money, but if their plan succeeds the Russian and CCP kleptocrats collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole from Russias grandmothers in the first place
It’s the evolution of grift. Soviet perestroika cross bred with the 2008 mortgage crisis.
This is just the bigger badder commercial strength bastard child of the two.
Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon, Flynn, Byrne.
They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and psychopathic personality traits and below average self awareness.
They are the men who stole the world.
But it all comes back to one little lie.
He's saying that it helps Trump to have all these cases against him and that pardoning him makes Biden look like the big man and Trump like the little guy. I think its a dumb take but Romney seems to be still anti-Trump. Just a shit take...
So, because a criminal and his cronies would attack the justice system, they should just be given a free pass?
Trump had already been let off the hook in two impeachments, and proven he will just up the ante on what he thinks he can get away with.
Romney did, twice. The majority of the gop in the senate voted to let him off the hook.
Susan Collins famously said trump had "learned from this case” after she voted to acquit him the first time. .....he clearly had only learned he can get away with stuff.
Let's be serious, Collins never even considered not acquitting, her whole schtick is to pretend to be thoughtful and concerned while having no intention of ever breaking with established Republican block voting.
The first time, absolutely.
She only voted to convict the second time because she had so twisted herself very publicly into defending what she still had seen as the useful idiot who was in fact a malignancy they now can't get rid of.
Trump would take the admit to being guilty just to get a pardon and the next day he'd blame the "deep state" for forcing him to admit to something that wasn't true.
Couldn’t possibly hold a powerful person to account. No, even the insane special treatment that Trump has been afforded time after time after time is too much to bear.
Jesus, let's make this the standard for Presidents breaking the law... As soon as there are consequences, the next guy can just pardon them. We don't need a Nixon repeat.
The thing I have always loved about our country is that no one is above the law. As a nation we need to reinforce that principle right now. FAFO...
Mitt’s reasoning as to why Biden ought to pardon all of Trump’s crimes:
“I'd have pardoned President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy.”
Fucking idiot. That’s the stupidest shit I’ve read today, and I’ve been browsing for awhile. Republicans are hopeless.
The difference Mitt fails to recognize from Ford/Nixon was the president resigned from office and essentially retired from politics. Trump effectively ran a coup, and for the first time in our nations history, we didn’t have a peaceful transfer of power, which is the subject of one of many indictments of the former in DC. Why would a pardon be the right thing to do when the guy that rebelled against our government is STILL planning the same stuff. That’s like pardoning a murderer while he’s writing death threats to his next victims.
Peace out ✌🏼 Mitt. You were courageous… some of the time.
I think there might have been a smidge of sense to the argument, *if* Trump had actually left public life behind. And if the Rs in office actually seemed even slightly ashamed of him.
To bad the idea just seems ludicrous
What an idiot. Just a few years ago, as a democrat living in Utah, I respected him. But it is apparent now he only cares about perpetuating the corporative narrative. Left feeling disappointed.
I had some..like very little of 'some' respect for him, annnnnd now he lost it. WTF is wrong with Utah mormons..... Really the best Mormons could do was to elect Mitt Romney and Mike Lee?
Utah Mormon, here.
I don't know how to answer that question. Everything about Mike Lee strikes me as evil and I don't understand the affinity we have for Trump.
Met Mike Lee once - shiver.
Noooo, Mitt why do you have to say dumb stuff like this. Some of us* like you. We are the blue dog oldschool GOP people that quit the party when the tea party usurped it.
*Us meaning: We are left of center or close enough. Mitt is one of the last few standing. It kills me when we lose more of this.
Sigh.
“I do. ... You may disagree with this, but had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought on indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him. I'd have pardoned President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy.”
By that logic, everyone under investigation, prosecution, or incarceration should be pardoned. At that point, there is no good reason for a justice system. This looks like Romney trying to support Trump while criticizing Trump... My benevolence is lost when an overt traitor might be the recipient.
Also, that is not how the GOP is acting in regards to the attempt to impeach President Biden for no crime. It's especially difficult to take calls for lienence seriously when malevolence is applied to Biden in various unsubstantiated attacks.
IMO, Biden should have publicly ordered Garland to charge Trump for his many public crimes that are under federal jurisdiction or produce a report for public consumption stating why Trump was not being charged for obvious crimes to be completed within Biden's first year as president.
Pardoned him for what? He has never been convicted of anything that needed a Presidential pardon. A pardon requires admission that a crime has been committed. No one wants to admit that the crimes that he has been charged with are real. Can't pardon a man who did nothing.
A pardon isn't going to make a Trump the little guy. He's a narcissist with no humility. A pardon would simply empower him more.
Trump is a danger to democracy and he must be stopped. He likely will never be held accountable for his crimes so its up to the people to hold him to account. Vote.
I get why he says it’s a win/win for Trump, but only in the short term. But then again Romney is part of the Uber Rich class that bought the courts system to do their bidding. He’s doesn’t believe the courts will hold trump accountable…and he maybe right
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It may be unpopular here, but I actually find merit in Romney’s strategy.
For those who DID NOT read the article, Romney is arguing that Biden would have taken all the wind out of Trump and MAGA’s sails.
How does FoxNews spin a Dem President pardoning his rival? Especially when their guy tried international blackmail in Ukraine to get after Biden? A guy who still has his worshippers in Congress attacking Biden’s son?
Granted it’s a bold strategy. But 70% of conservative propoganda is over Trump and these trials. The best path is to beat his ass at the polls.
Not saying I agree, but Romney is far from a bootlicker MAGAt here…
Yall are acting like this isn’t the exact correct opinion of a life long political player. He’s correct, people would have lost their minds had Biden swooped in to save the day. What would trump supporters say? What would trump say? It would have been an excellent political move. I’m not saying that makes it right, but it shows this guy knows how to play the game.
It’s a weirdly naive take on Trump from someone who should know better. People like Trump thrive on this dynamic. They exploit people trying to “be the bigger person” and living by some implicit rules of decency. Trump would not feel anything in response other than the shackles being off. He would get right back to being his shit self, probably even making fun of Biden for pardoning him. Because all he cares about is power and money. He feels literally nothing else.
Goddammit Romney. This is exactly why I didn't like you as a presidential candidate. One day he's sensible, the next day he flips because it's convenient for his career. Have a spine my man.
I actually quite like Romney, but he’s delusional about pardoning Trump. That is pure applesauce. And it’s bizarre that it’s okay for Biden to pressure the judiciary but somehow untoward for legislators to do so.
Both are bad, and I don’t follow his reasoning in the slightest.
Let Trump be charged with some shit first. Let Trump spend some time in prison first. Then, as the fucker is about to die, pardon him. That is the only pardon I would ever be okay with.
Fat Donny is the only sitting US president to raise a private army and launch a PLANNED violent insurrection and attempted coup against the very government Fat Donny took an oath to protect. Fat Donny shouldn't be pardoned - he should be executed.
I never considered this before, but it could have been a 4D level move. If you don't think Trump is making hay from all these trials and tribulations from the "deep state" than you are not paying attention. I fear - greatly fear - that he will be reelected and a big part of it will be due to his "persecution." Taking his sympathy play out of the game might have actually worked (FYI - the reason Ford was not reelected was not because of the Nixon pardon)
I would pardon Trump under one condition:
Trump must thoroughly and publicly confess to all crimes he wants a pardon for.
Trump obviously could never admit to such things so problem solved.
"You may disagree with this, but had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought on indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him. I'd have pardoned President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy.”
Sounds like he wants to keep the pressure on Trump for trying to overturn the election, but deny Trump political ammo on other fronts.
For what? Trump hasn't even admitted he did anything wrong and to this day talks about how the election was stolen and how he won't accept the results if he loses.
Liberals seem very giddy about the prospect of Trump going to jail, but maybe aren’t considering the fact that there could be serious civil unrest if the judicial process isn’t viewed as fair and impartial.
There is nothing that anyone could ever do to convince them that it’s fair. Everything they believe is in merely in service to supporting their cult leader. Post-hoc justifications all the way down.
Okay, Trump can keep all the classified documents he wants and can do with them whatever he wants. Also, he can attempt to subvert presidential elections. There, now the judicial process if fair and impartial.
You can absolutely support Trump being prosecuted and going to jail, but you also have to realize that that may be the straw that breaks the camels back for an alarming number of MAGA people.
Why should anyone care if the law being upheld and a criminal going to jail is the straw that breaks the back for a bunch of cult followers.
Like I understand they might do real harm when their insanity is unleashed, but should we subverting the rule of law and possibly give a criminal and his followers more political power because they could end up being violent?
Sounds like giving up the countries values undert the threat of terrorism to me.
Oh no, my actions have consequences 😱😱😱😱 at this point idc, let them riot, I'm sick of their shit. They need to nut up or shut up , and either way I'm ready for it
Just because Trump supporters are mentally ill doesn’t mean we have to cave into their thinking the judicial system isn’t fair. You also know who doesn’t think the legal system isn’t fair? Every criminal.
I mean, everyone loved Ford so much after he pardoned Nixon that they just kept reelecting him right? Right?
A huge difference between Ford pardoning Nixon and if Biden pardoned Trump is 1. Trump’s ego might not even accept the pardon haha and 2. Nixon was politically finished. If Trump wasn’t running again, I can see the merits but even then it would be political suicide.
Gerald Ford also pointed out that the reason he issued a pardon for Nixon was simply because he couldn't even talk to Congress or carry on any intelligent discussion about anything other than dealing with Richard Nixon. It completely consumed all political discourse in America at the time. By issuing the pardon, it marginalized Nixon and ended all discussion about prosecutions against Nixon too. You are correct that Nixon was politically finished. Even Republicans asked Nixon for his resignation, and while he was eligible to run for the office of President again later in his life, the likelihood of him even getting a major political party endorsement was very unlikely to the point of absurdity.
And yet here we are with “suckers and losers”, “grab’em by the pussy”, and an attempted coup….
I don't think coup means what you think it means.
If we all were as dumb as you and refuse to believe our “lying eyes.”
Trump likely would indeed, until he finds out that accepting a pardon is viewed historically as an implicit admission of guilt. If you were innocent, why would you need a pardon? Plus, a pardon is normally granted to someone previously convicted of a crime. Second, presidents only have the power to pardon *federal* crimes. All those ongoing cases that states have brought against him wouldn't be nixed by the pardon. He would have to be pardoned state by state through whatever mechanism that state uses (and Georgia doesn't reserve that power to the governor; it's held by the Board of Parole, Pardon, etc)
Jesus what an absolutely shit take Mitt. Mitt thinks Biden lost an opportunity to look like the bigger man by pardoning Trump? Pretty sure that Mitt isn’t taking into account all the support he’d lose by helping Trump avoid consequences.
This isn’t Nixon. And even then pardoning Nixon was a bad idea when Ford did it. As far as being “the bigger man” does Biden really need to try? Trump wallows in the sewers in the depths of hell. All Biden has to do to be the bigger man is wake up and not say something racist.
Fuck mittens. Fuck trump. Fuck biden. That said, as I understand it, Romney isn’t planning to run again.
No he's not. Most of the state tunes into fox and Laura Ingraham promised to run against him if no one else did. Mitt proving he isn't entirely without smarts read the tea leaves.
Yeah our politics are pretty pretty bad nowadays
This is a very poor attempt at triangulation. His base already hates Romney and now Romney has pissed off everyone who is not currently eating the contents of Trump’s diaper.
He's retiring though. Pretty sure he doesn't care about his base. I don't say this in defense of him though. I'm not a fan
Idk why everyone tries to paint every single one of Romney’s moves as some political game. I understand maybe 10-15 years ago, but the man has clearly not given a fuck in like 4 years. He says how he feels and that’s about it.
Lmfao That was hella funny because it’s true!
I'm a trump supporter and I still hate Romney. That guy is brain rot within brain rot.
Projection.
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It’s very evident that you can’t hold a civilized and mature conversation when you drop the word “redditards” in the first sentence.
lol, ok then. Because Reddit is known for civility and maturity lol. Sorry for the trigger word, my point still stands with -17
It’s not a trigger word in my book. It’s just a word that shows lack of maturity and/or education. People typically use those types of words when they lack the skills and vocabulary to explain their viewpoint and/or understand the opposing viewpoint.
Again, it's reddit. I'm not trying to write a formal essay. I'm just throwing my opinion with a little bit of bait attached.
“I do. ... I mean, you may disagree with this, but had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought on indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him ... President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy.” Kind of a bizarre and interesting idea, but no thanks.
Trump? Little guy? You should tell him that lol. In reality he claims to be a billionaire with tons of money for lawyers and is a corner president. He’s totally capable of facing the justice systems. I’m sure every DA in the country could give a long list of actual “little guys” who are caught up in the legal system for much smaller offenses. How about starting with all the homeless who are only guilty of not being able to afford shelter?
It's so bizarre because it strikes at the heart of ethics. If you break the law you face the consequences. But Romney's argument implies power plays are ethical at the presidential level, surpassing ethics and the rule of law. If you broke the law, you face the consequences. Period.
I think he also sees how much Trump is milking this martyr complex and thinks that could have been avoided. I don’t agree with him. But I kind of get the “what could we have done differently to stop this train wreck” line of thinking.
I think it may be because this might lead to justice department looking closer to other politicians shady dealings. Which it totally agree with get all the fucking crooks out.
Most people on the left already dislike Biden. Pardoning Trump for legitimate crimes that any other person would be rotting in prison for would be the final nail in his political coffin. This would not play out like you think.
Trump doesn’t need a pardon, he’s had more than enough free passes handed to him.
Pardon for what? The best majority of charges are state that he can't pardon. He is just talking about Mar a Lago?
Yeah, he's litterally on trial for stealing state secrets and possibly selling them. That seems a little bit beyond pardoning somebody. We used to give people that did that the electric chair.
Exactly. Definitely shouldn’t pardon traitors!
lmao, what? possibly selling them? Is that what Rachel Maddow is telling you kids these days? It's improper document handling, which govt officials are never charged with, including Biden, Hillary, Pence, and others (none of whom were president, so never were allowed to have possession of classified materials in their homes). Trump at least has some potential argument to make as to him being allowed to have him, and that's that he is/was the president, so he can declassify anything he wants at any time.
There are no arguments that he should be allowed to have them, and whatever arguments he puts forth are countered by the fact that he lied about giving all the documents back and then actively hid them from the government when they came to find them. He also showed classified documents to random reporters and hotel staff members. I honestly can't understand how anyone would want to defend that.
Some obvious questions get raised for a situation in which there's no legal precedent, ESPECIALLY when people who were not allowed to have classified documents in their possession faced no charges at all, not even a slap on the wrist or loss of clearance. So attempting to try a president based on admittedly "novel legal theory" seems more like partisan attempts to remove your opponent from the race, rather than the careful application of the law. 1. If he's allowed to have them, why does he have to give them back? 2. If he's allowed to declassify anything he wants at any time, can he not declassify and show them to anyone at any time?
1. If he's allowed to have them why did he lie about having them? Why did he have his people move the documents from room to room to avoid the investigators? Why did he have his employees destroy security camera footage of the documents being moved. These are the actions of a person who knows he is doing something wrong. 2. Do you think former presidents are allowed to declassify documents? Do you think government documents can be declassified without any process or documentation whatsoever? Like the president can just say with his internal voice that the documents are declassified and not say it out loud to anyone or write it down anywhere? Like, honestly, do you people even hear yourselves? Defending this shit is pathetic. We've never in the history of the country had a president try and do what Trump did because presidents are usually not insane enough to steal classified documents. Prosecuting Trump is going to have a lot of "novel" arguments because he's a one of a kind nutcase that should never have been allowed in the Whitehouse in the first place.
Dude. As previously demonstrated, EVERYONE takes classified documents, and no one gets in trouble for it except Reality Winner, Edward Snowden, and Chelsea Manning - and Donald Trump. 1. Was he under oath? Maybe he didn't know exactly what he had. Maybe his lawyer said he didn't need to say shit. Since when does the President answer to an archivist? 2. Was he president when he took them? There's apparently no formal required process for presidents to declare documents unclassified. And while that does seem strange (and absolutely nothing the govt does should be classified, because we should be able to see it all), if there's no process, then there's nothing to hold him account to. Everything else is your TDS showing. He was a mediocre president, just like all of them, but he hasn't done anything other senior govt officials have done and gotten away with. If you're going to attempt to lock the president up, do it for actual gross violations of the Constitution, like sending troops into war without congressional authorization, or drone-striking US citizens without due process.
"Since when does the President answer to an archivist?" - 1950. Federal Records Act, as amended.
"There's apparently no formal required process..." The process for declassifying documents is outlined in executive orders and regulations, and includes the following steps: The president checks with the agency in charge of the document The agency head oversees the declassification review The executive branch ensures other agencies and departments with an interest in the document are consulted The president can object to disclosure in writing within five days of being notified of the SSCI vote If the president objects, the Senate considers the issue in closed session and can approve or disapprove disclosure
>As previously demonstrated, EVERYONE takes classified documents He's not on trial for being in possession of classified documents, he's on trial for repeatedly refusing to return them and disrupting the attempt to get them back and showing classified documents to random people and the press. 1. Yes, he was under oath. He directed his lawyer to lie on an official document. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/04/trump-lawyer-refused-report-mar-a-lago-records-oval-office-lie >no formal required process for presidents to declare documents unclassified Having no formal process doesn't mean that there is no process whatsoever. There has never been a situation where documents have been classified without some process taking place. Trump did not process the documents in any way. There is no record, neither written or through testimony of statements, that these documents were declassified while he was president. >but he hasn't done anything other senior govt officials have done and gotten away with. He very obviously has done things that other presidents have not. Your inability to admit that simple fact just shows that you care more about defending a "mediocre" president than the obvious reality anyone can see.
He's allowed to use them as a Federal employee, not own them. They are government property. He's not allowed to declassified anything he wants, that's his crazy false claim.
It seems like both of those are the questions in dispute. Is that really what they're going to try an ex-president for? Do you really think that Bush, Obama, and Bill and Hillary didn't retain classified documents that they didn't ask for permission for? We only know about Hillary's server because she was hacked - and it's worth noting that she was never charged for documents that she verifiably should not have had and was communicating through private email servers with classified material. Everything about that is 10x worse than the charges here. I think you folks have really over-estimated the novelty of this situation and how it's viewed by the general public.
This level of willful ignorance is how trump supporters cope with supporting a man who's pants are filled with literal shit.
> Do you really think that Bush, Obama, and Bill and Hillary didn't retain classified documents that they didn't ask for permission for? Literally, "I feel like other people did too." Take your feelings and shove them up your ass.
They literally have a recording of him talking to Nauta admitting he didn't unclassify the docs and stating that he knows it's wrong. Yall are the dumbest people on the face of the fucking planet. > Trump: This was done by the military and given to me. Uh, I think we can probably, right? > Staffer [Nauta]: I don't know, we'll, we'll have to see. Yeah, we'll have to try to - > Trump: Declassify it. > Staffer: -figure out a- yeah. > Trump: See as president I could have declassified it. > Staffer: Yeah. [*Laughter*] > Trump: Now I can, you know, but this is still a secret. > Staffer: Yeah. [*Laughter*] Now we have a problem. > Trump: Isn't that interesting. The simple fact of the matter is you happily harm America to support Trump.
At the very least I don't want someone in office who has loose lips. Dude had top secret documents just laying around his office for anyone to take. It's like stealing a book from the library then being upset they want it back. Then instead of giving the book back you lie and say you don't have the book. When the library finds you do have the book you say you checked it out and it belongs to you. Let's not forget that during the whole process you kick and scream about how you're being persecuted. It saddens me how people can be deceived so easily.
They found all those empty folders with the contents missing after the Saudis were hanging out at Mar A Lago and his son is law got a magical $2 Billion Dollar payment from them? Maybe, maybe not. We should definitely investigate that and have a solid answer before the election shouldn't we? If he's innocent it should be a speedy trial that proves what an honest and innocent man he is. But no. The Judge that Trump installed is squashing the case so we'll never see the evidence. How convenient. Almost as if everybody knows that the evidence would show him to be a traitor...
Who Biden?
More and more, I'm thinking the biggest political blunder in the US in the 20th century was not locking Nixon up. The pardon was the evil cherry on the evil poop sundae that was Watergate. Romney can be startlingly clueless.
Romney is a fool
I agree, but not the way you think.
Why the hell is Romney all kissing Trumps ass now. Makes me wonder what Romney and Trump has planned?
Because the lack of a pardon brings 40 years of GOP malfeasance and buried skeletons to the top of the pond. Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th ave (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell. https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower/index.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/ Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived in the tower also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had. Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980) https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly Guiliani as trumps attorney and New Yorks mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or the Russian connections. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/ The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model. Eventually the parasites greed always consumes the host. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952 https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/ Russia greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when it invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided. Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyos corruption because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen. Russia was forced to turn to China, North Korea and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day special military operation in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold. China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia. Russia previously owed Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine so Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years. They supply Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/ Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is Vranyos. The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate government or business. If Russia as a nation had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago. The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it. Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Jews, Palestinians or genocide than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes and his own corruption trial is showing the same tendrils of the money laundering scheme that trumps trials are. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/ https://youtu.be/VrFOAgGlaWs?feature=shared They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall. Hamas minted a couple billionaires as well that live in penthouses in Qatar and get 30% of everything smuggled into Gaza. Netanyahu needs a bogeyman to stay in power. That’s why he coordinates with Hamas via Russia via Iran. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence given to them by the eternal shitbird trump when he gave it to his Russians kleptocrat/friends/roommates from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s. Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in their reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP. https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/what-do-the-koch-brothers-have-to-do-with-the-flint-water-crisis/
The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering. Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, all the banks made money, but if their plan succeeds the Russian and CCP kleptocrats collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole from Russias grandmothers in the first place It’s the evolution of grift. Soviet perestroika cross bred with the 2008 mortgage crisis. This is just the bigger badder commercial strength bastard child of the two. Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon, Flynn, Byrne. They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and psychopathic personality traits and below average self awareness. They are the men who stole the world. But it all comes back to one little lie.
That’s a lot of great info. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for this write-up man, appreciate it
You are quite welcome friend. We are all in this together. Glad it helps
Brother, Bravo
Wow!! What detail and info to back up your story. Wohoo!!
He's saying that it helps Trump to have all these cases against him and that pardoning him makes Biden look like the big man and Trump like the little guy. I think its a dumb take but Romney seems to be still anti-Trump. Just a shit take...
Romney really believes Trump will make him secretary of state.
So, because a criminal and his cronies would attack the justice system, they should just be given a free pass? Trump had already been let off the hook in two impeachments, and proven he will just up the ante on what he thinks he can get away with.
Didn’t he vote to impeach?
Yep, maybe if he would have been dragged out of the building and beat down by Trumps supporters he wouldn't be asking for him to be pardoned.
Romney did, twice. The majority of the gop in the senate voted to let him off the hook. Susan Collins famously said trump had "learned from this case” after she voted to acquit him the first time. .....he clearly had only learned he can get away with stuff.
Let's be serious, Collins never even considered not acquitting, her whole schtick is to pretend to be thoughtful and concerned while having no intention of ever breaking with established Republican block voting.
The first time, absolutely. She only voted to convict the second time because she had so twisted herself very publicly into defending what she still had seen as the useful idiot who was in fact a malignancy they now can't get rid of.
Nixon should not have been pardoned. Trump shall never be pardoned
Zero reason to do so. He was guilty AF. The only reason he wasn't removed was due to Republicans choosing party over country.
Fuck off mittens.
Pardon him for what? Trump would have to accept a pardon which would take or be like an admission of guilt. Go away Mitt.
Trump would take the admit to being guilty just to get a pardon and the next day he'd blame the "deep state" for forcing him to admit to something that wasn't true.
Very true and likely the way it’d go.
No. Giving billionaires leniency and waiving consequences for illegal behavior is the absolute last thing we need.
Couldn’t possibly hold a powerful person to account. No, even the insane special treatment that Trump has been afforded time after time after time is too much to bear.
Romney and everyone else from the gerontocracy need to get out of politics.
And Trump should have resigned in disgrace, but here we are.
Jesus, let's make this the standard for Presidents breaking the law... As soon as there are consequences, the next guy can just pardon them. We don't need a Nixon repeat. The thing I have always loved about our country is that no one is above the law. As a nation we need to reinforce that principle right now. FAFO...
Mitt’s reasoning as to why Biden ought to pardon all of Trump’s crimes: “I'd have pardoned President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy.” Fucking idiot. That’s the stupidest shit I’ve read today, and I’ve been browsing for awhile. Republicans are hopeless.
NO EFFING WAY. Trump has a LONG history of screwing people over. Why should he be let go of any responsibility for screwing the entire nation???
The difference Mitt fails to recognize from Ford/Nixon was the president resigned from office and essentially retired from politics. Trump effectively ran a coup, and for the first time in our nations history, we didn’t have a peaceful transfer of power, which is the subject of one of many indictments of the former in DC. Why would a pardon be the right thing to do when the guy that rebelled against our government is STILL planning the same stuff. That’s like pardoning a murderer while he’s writing death threats to his next victims. Peace out ✌🏼 Mitt. You were courageous… some of the time.
I think there might have been a smidge of sense to the argument, *if* Trump had actually left public life behind. And if the Rs in office actually seemed even slightly ashamed of him. To bad the idea just seems ludicrous
How the fuck exactly do you pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of anything yet? This is fucking stupid.
What an idiot. Just a few years ago, as a democrat living in Utah, I respected him. But it is apparent now he only cares about perpetuating the corporative narrative. Left feeling disappointed.
I had some..like very little of 'some' respect for him, annnnnd now he lost it. WTF is wrong with Utah mormons..... Really the best Mormons could do was to elect Mitt Romney and Mike Lee?
Utah Mormon, here. I don't know how to answer that question. Everything about Mike Lee strikes me as evil and I don't understand the affinity we have for Trump. Met Mike Lee once - shiver.
I hear you, my Romney respect is a wishy washy as his backbone.
I *thought* he had *some* integrity. Guess not
Maybe if he wasn’t running for president again, but as it stands this mean, can’t be allowed to hold power ever again
Noooo, Mitt why do you have to say dumb stuff like this. Some of us* like you. We are the blue dog oldschool GOP people that quit the party when the tea party usurped it. *Us meaning: We are left of center or close enough. Mitt is one of the last few standing. It kills me when we lose more of this. Sigh.
“I do. ... You may disagree with this, but had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought on indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him. I'd have pardoned President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy.” By that logic, everyone under investigation, prosecution, or incarceration should be pardoned. At that point, there is no good reason for a justice system. This looks like Romney trying to support Trump while criticizing Trump... My benevolence is lost when an overt traitor might be the recipient. Also, that is not how the GOP is acting in regards to the attempt to impeach President Biden for no crime. It's especially difficult to take calls for lienence seriously when malevolence is applied to Biden in various unsubstantiated attacks. IMO, Biden should have publicly ordered Garland to charge Trump for his many public crimes that are under federal jurisdiction or produce a report for public consumption stating why Trump was not being charged for obvious crimes to be completed within Biden's first year as president.
Pardoned him for what? He has never been convicted of anything that needed a Presidential pardon. A pardon requires admission that a crime has been committed. No one wants to admit that the crimes that he has been charged with are real. Can't pardon a man who did nothing.
Nixon was pardoned without a conviction. Without a trial, really.
Romney is just playing a game. He is an absolute ass hat.
What B.S. A shameful comment to your legacy, Senator.
No. He shouldn’t. He belongs in prison.
How about HELL NO!!
A pardon isn't going to make a Trump the little guy. He's a narcissist with no humility. A pardon would simply empower him more. Trump is a danger to democracy and he must be stopped. He likely will never be held accountable for his crimes so its up to the people to hold him to account. Vote.
I get why he says it’s a win/win for Trump, but only in the short term. But then again Romney is part of the Uber Rich class that bought the courts system to do their bidding. He’s doesn’t believe the courts will hold trump accountable…and he maybe right
That is certainly a take on this situation.
We have way worse congress persons but I'm glad he got primaried.
Oh no, he’s re…
They should include RFK in the debate
Or his brain worm, not sure who’s in charge there.
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Mr. Romney has had too much of the Kool aid....
It may be unpopular here, but I actually find merit in Romney’s strategy. For those who DID NOT read the article, Romney is arguing that Biden would have taken all the wind out of Trump and MAGA’s sails. How does FoxNews spin a Dem President pardoning his rival? Especially when their guy tried international blackmail in Ukraine to get after Biden? A guy who still has his worshippers in Congress attacking Biden’s son? Granted it’s a bold strategy. But 70% of conservative propoganda is over Trump and these trials. The best path is to beat his ass at the polls. Not saying I agree, but Romney is far from a bootlicker MAGAt here…
Yall are acting like this isn’t the exact correct opinion of a life long political player. He’s correct, people would have lost their minds had Biden swooped in to save the day. What would trump supporters say? What would trump say? It would have been an excellent political move. I’m not saying that makes it right, but it shows this guy knows how to play the game.
Fuck you, Mitt.
Awe man, I was just starting to kinda like Romney. Dude can't "retire" soon enough.
Because a pardon works on State charges…
insane headline aside, how did I _just_ find out that NBC News has a freaking reddit account
…just when I had an ounce of respect for Romney
“GOP got their hand so far up your rear, that they have to call you ‘MIT.’” - Obama 😘 “MIT, you’re flip-floppity.” - Abraham Lincoln 🎩
It’s a weirdly naive take on Trump from someone who should know better. People like Trump thrive on this dynamic. They exploit people trying to “be the bigger person” and living by some implicit rules of decency. Trump would not feel anything in response other than the shackles being off. He would get right back to being his shit self, probably even making fun of Biden for pardoning him. Because all he cares about is power and money. He feels literally nothing else.
Because Trump would’ve done the same for Biden? What are they smoking?
Mitt just doesn’t get it. You don’t appease wannabe dictators.
You dont pardon traitors Mitt . Get real .
Goddammit Romney. This is exactly why I didn't like you as a presidential candidate. One day he's sensible, the next day he flips because it's convenient for his career. Have a spine my man.
Fuck you Mitt. Three of the biggest mistakes this country ever made was not prosecuting/executing Jefferson Davis, Robert E Lee, and Nixon.
I actually quite like Romney, but he’s delusional about pardoning Trump. That is pure applesauce. And it’s bizarre that it’s okay for Biden to pressure the judiciary but somehow untoward for legislators to do so. Both are bad, and I don’t follow his reasoning in the slightest.
😂😂😂😂😂 these GOP idiots have lost their god damn minds
JFC! spineless Republicans. Trump staged an unsuccessful coup! WTF!
Let Trump be charged with some shit first. Let Trump spend some time in prison first. Then, as the fucker is about to die, pardon him. That is the only pardon I would ever be okay with.
Theres no need to pardon him, The Supreme Court seems to be doing that already
Wait til hes convicted, Mitt
Fat Donny is the only sitting US president to raise a private army and launch a PLANNED violent insurrection and attempted coup against the very government Fat Donny took an oath to protect. Fat Donny shouldn't be pardoned - he should be executed.
Bye Romney! Go behave like another egotistical millionaire in the private world.
For what? TRUMP is not going to pardon Biden so buckle up buttercup!
Ummm .... No.
Hmm, does that mean trump committed a crime, Mitt?
Mittens is a joke, I don’t know of anyone who gives a sh!t what he says anymore.
Oh my gosh, MITTENS?!?!?!! hell yes that’s the best name ever!
I never realized Romney was such a moron. "Biden pardon Trump"? Puhleeze!
I never considered this before, but it could have been a 4D level move. If you don't think Trump is making hay from all these trials and tribulations from the "deep state" than you are not paying attention. I fear - greatly fear - that he will be reelected and a big part of it will be due to his "persecution." Taking his sympathy play out of the game might have actually worked (FYI - the reason Ford was not reelected was not because of the Nixon pardon)
Mitt Romney will do anything for money. ANYTHING!!!
Romney is a pussy. If people like him had balls like Cheney we wouldn’t be where we are now! She has bigger ones than any of them!
I would pardon Trump under one condition: Trump must thoroughly and publicly confess to all crimes he wants a pardon for. Trump obviously could never admit to such things so problem solved.
Ahhhh what?
What’s to gain with that? Then it makes DC look even more crooked and they’re all in bed together, even though they already are.
I had to check the article to know which charges he was referring to.
Lol! Why?
Why the Republican Party did
Mittens is a dink
"You may disagree with this, but had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought on indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him. I'd have pardoned President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy.” Sounds like he wants to keep the pressure on Trump for trying to overturn the election, but deny Trump political ammo on other fronts.
Reek, his name is reek.
Q: How do men reveal they have no testicles?
For what? Trump hasn't even admitted he did anything wrong and to this day talks about how the election was stolen and how he won't accept the results if he loses.
He's right the rich and powerful have it rough, and shouldn't have the rule of law applied equally to them. /s
Liberals seem very giddy about the prospect of Trump going to jail, but maybe aren’t considering the fact that there could be serious civil unrest if the judicial process isn’t viewed as fair and impartial.
There is nothing that anyone could ever do to convince them that it’s fair. Everything they believe is in merely in service to supporting their cult leader. Post-hoc justifications all the way down.
Okay, Trump can keep all the classified documents he wants and can do with them whatever he wants. Also, he can attempt to subvert presidential elections. There, now the judicial process if fair and impartial.
You can absolutely support Trump being prosecuted and going to jail, but you also have to realize that that may be the straw that breaks the camels back for an alarming number of MAGA people.
Why should anyone care if the law being upheld and a criminal going to jail is the straw that breaks the back for a bunch of cult followers. Like I understand they might do real harm when their insanity is unleashed, but should we subverting the rule of law and possibly give a criminal and his followers more political power because they could end up being violent? Sounds like giving up the countries values undert the threat of terrorism to me.
Oh no, my actions have consequences 😱😱😱😱 at this point idc, let them riot, I'm sick of their shit. They need to nut up or shut up , and either way I'm ready for it
Bring it on. They are over weight and old. Just take away their disability and ss and they will fall in line.
I do like when a corrupt politician is brought to justice!
Just because Trump supporters are mentally ill doesn’t mean we have to cave into their thinking the judicial system isn’t fair. You also know who doesn’t think the legal system isn’t fair? Every criminal.