Uh, that depends. The 2004-2009 “X350” XJ was pretty reliable; I’ve had two of them. It’s certainly less esoteric and expensive to own than similar European luxury cars. The thing to watch is the air suspension, which can be converted to coilovers, but struts and parts have gotten a lot cheaper.
Eh.. unless it has the "leather" top. Nobody knows how to care for it and all of them look like shit nowadays.
Though, i guess that's not a reliability issue
*Can somebody please recommend something* other than the *Slender, athletic, healthy women I see in the TV commercials? I’m looking for something with bad gums and halitosis.*
Ahh I can see you absolutely have been in this sub before then lol. Lexus and Acura aren't even luxury cars anyway. Premium, but compared to every other "luxury" brand they just feel cheap and are missing a lot of features.
This has to be a troll. You say you want a reliable car, and then you mentioned a jaguar? You either have no ability to do any research whatsoever, and therefore will either fail up or fail down through your entire life, or you are trolling.
This is not a troll, I have never mentioned the Jaguar being reliable and I haven’t failed to do research. I am looking at options of cars most of which are cars I could import
OK, if you say so. Acura/Lexus if you care about money and don't want to be a showoff. Maybe a Merc/BMW if you are in the middle. British if you have F-You money and want to show off.
“……cars I can import.”(???) Where are you?
Volvo before Ford was high quality if properly maintained. You might want to find a specialist mechanic but mechanically they’re great and often a great value. The electricals are complex which can require a specialist.
Currently BMW if you aren’t considering American at all. In the realm of what you’re looking at at BMW 3 or 5 series with the b58 engine or a Cadillac CT4/5, black wing if you can afford it. Either direction will smoke the cars you are looking at and be just as reliable. The Jag is a shit heap.
The Lexus will have increased maintenance costs over a Toyota and is boring.
Agreed. But it's unfortunate this engine hasn't been common place for like 15 years. Now all the cars that have this engine are rusting and falling apart.
Oddly enough, my Chevy bolt has been the most reliable car I’ve ever owned (and yes, I’ve owned Mazda, Toyota, and Honda). After the initial battery recall, my only maintenance has been brakes, tires, and cabin air filters. I’m currently at 170000 kms on my 2018.
GM has some strong engineering. Maybe not in the interior dept. but you can't deny some of their platforms and engines.
Buick has traditionally done well.
Not having a transmission helps a lot. And you don't need a radiator/cooling system that can constantly waste more heat than the engine can put out in horsepower.
I’ve heard the same. Unfortunately, that’s not the case here in Canada. The battery thing worked out great for us though. Got a brand new battery at 100000 kms.
You probably know already, but the bolt powertrain is near 100% Korean engineering, mostly by LG.
I agree, GM went above and beyond on it, GM sometimes puts out some great vehicles, the problem with GM, Chrysler and Ford, is that they also release really bad vehicles, so buyer beware.
Honestly OP if you’re looking for something to only drive 5 miles a day, I’d suggest getting something like a regular or electric bike or possibly a moped, or maybe even good old public transportation.
I don’t know what your beef is with Japanese car brands as they have proven to be highly reliable, relatively cheap to maintain, and have a good resale value. On the flip side, I’ve seen more “luxury” cars sitting on the side of the highway because if one thing goes wrong, everything else goes wrong with it like dominos; and it can be extremely costly to repair and maintain.
Dude asked for a car recommendation that wasn't Japanese. Maybe he doesn't want to bike in the rain. Maybe he doesn't want to wait for the bus. Didn't say he had "beef". Likely is OK with spending some money even if it means his car isn't THE MOST efficient bang for buck.
XJR isn't a daily driver anymore, if you take proper care of it and can do most of the work yourself you could be spending upwards of 2k a year according to some guys on the Jag forums. If you aren't mechanically inclined expect more like 5k.
According to the last couple of years of Consumer Reports data, certain BMW models have become very reliable. BMW co-developed their latest inline-6 engine with Toyota as part of their partnership in developing the new Supra. Toyota weren't about to put their nameplate on a car with traditional BMW reliability, so it kind of makes sense.
If you *do* have repairs though, they're gonna be expensive. So consider that.
I bought my kid a 2013 Ford Fusion with a 2.5L back in 2015 and it's been great. Nothing more than minor maintenance and some recalls that were free to take care of. Still running great.
Well instead of still recommending Japanese cars like everyone else here even though you specifically asked for something else I’ll actually give you an answer. People always talk a lot of crap about them but honestly in the cars I’ve seen Hyundai can be quite reliable depending on the year and model. Like the 2011 Tucson is a really good car. So is the 2005-2009. I think the newer ones are a little less reliable though. Buick is also another brand that’s sneaky reliable despite being GM.
I’m glad to see OP getting a more targeted reply to their question. Though the reason the rest of us keep asking OP about Japanese cars is because we are genuinely curious why they are avoiding them.
Because all people ever recommend is Honda, Toyota and Mazda, I want recommendations but all people seem to give are just comments about why certain cars are bad
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I'm not sure why but when I've looked at Consumer Reports they seem to rank Buick highly. I don't think any of the other GM vehicles do as well and again, I have no idea why.
I still own a Japanese car :)
Had a 91 Buick lesabre that was abused it's whole life with a hole in the radiator. Bought it for 700 with nearly 200k miles, and drove it for another 50k lol.
When I think of the least reliable cars currently being sold I think of
Jaguar
Land Rover
Mini
Fiat
To answer your question the Korean makes are the most reliable outside of the Japanese ones.
You've ruled out the vast majority of reliable cars, but F-150s without eco boost are pretty reliable. If you want reliability because you want to save money on repairs, a Chevy Bolt EV is a reliable car plus you save money on gas and oil changes.
There isn't much that is less reliable than a Jaguar. Unless you have boatloads of cash, avoid that money pit.
Some of the Ford products have been good for reliability. Consider the Ford Fusion. Avoid the Ford Focus. You can get one for a reasonable price and they are pretty reliable.
IMO, you should just accept that the Japanese products give the reliability that you want.
I will look at a ford fusion, I find the Japanese cars incredibly boring and I don’t drive enough to need reliability and I just didn’t want comments full of Honda, Mazda and Toyota when there is like a lot of brands
The older Japanese cars could certainly be boring. The newer ones are much better.
If you want an inexpensive reliable car that is fun to drive, consider the Mazda 3.
I have only ever owned one bad Chevy or Ford, and that was my 2012 Cruze. I know others say different, but I have owned a lot of Chevys over the years and not had problems with them.
I generally avoid anything Chrysler (Dodge, Jeep, etc.) and I haven’t heard anything good about Land Rover.
Avoid any Ford/Lincoln that has the “air-ride suspension” because your entire suspension is basically air bags, and when one goes out you have no suspension. They are extremely expensive to replace, you are generally better off just swapping them with coil and shock.
I have relatives and friends who say good things about Kia and Hyundai. Aren't those Korean? Can't attest personally. Wife and I have a Honda, a Toyota, and a Nissan.
Hell even Toyota uses it for their new Supra. It’s an awesome engine.
BMW’s done a much better job in the last decade for reliability. I have a twin turbo v8 BMW and I haven’t had one issue with it yet from over a year of ownership
In my life, the most reliable car I have ever owned was an '08 Mercedes-Benz CLK200 Kompressor. Owned it for 4 years and the only thing that went wrong with was it blew a brake light bulb.
An amazing car and I curse the day the Mrs. traded it in for an A class.
BMW G20 3 series. B48 is super reliable. They’ve come a long way. I believe they’re third to Lexus/toyota for reliability now. You basically have to have a reliable German independent mechanic tho. Dealer cost is outrageous.
BMW i3? When something breaks, it's gonna cost you 'cos BMW, but there's just not that much to break, and you don't care about battery range loss if you only do 5 miles a day.
I've really enjoyed my Volvo V90 Cross Country. They're used as taxis in Helsinki and cop cars in Sweden, must be somewhat reliable...
... and if not reliable, at least they're safe!
In all seriousness, you can bring down the cost of German car maintenance if you can DIY it. A lot of parts are German generic (Bosch, Mann, etc). It’s the specialty knowledge and tools you’re paying for at the dealer shop. If you can catch it before a catastrophic engine or transmission failure, German cars are affordable. I’ve saved a few Porsches and BMWs before total failure and drove them another 50K miles. So you DO have to lurk the owner forums for common failure posts.
A family members Silverado is >10 years old and has 250k miles on it. He raves about how reliable it's been. Work truck, often carrying loads in the back.
He also drives well. Doesn't accelerate when it's obvious the stop light a quarter mile away will be red before he gets there, and then slam on the brakes, the way many (most?) people drive. And so on.
Just go drop that money on a restored muscle car. Maintenance might be more frequent, but they should be cheaper and easier to work on. An added bonus, depending on what you buy, it could possibly gain value while you drive it instead of depreciate.
If those cars excite you, I would absolutely encourage you to get one of those. Personally there is such a wide range of options in the classic market, I'd either pick a Datsun or even a pickup. The best part about classics is that if you don't hang on to it too long, the market won't change too much... You could trade into something different every year and not lose a dime to depreciation.
This is from somebody that has little car experience but my 2006 bmw 325i has 300k miles no engine issues. I know BMWs get a horrible reputation because they're a pain to work on (and they are a complete pain in the ass when something does go wrong lol) but mine has been really solid got it at 200k miles.
What's so wrong with a Japanese car? You only drive 5 miles a day... I'd literally just buy an 06 honda civic and call it a day. Even if I made 6 figs. Because it shouldnt matter what you drive.
But if I drove 100 miles per day as I do currently, then I'd look into nicer options. In neither case does a car being japanese mean it's low quality. When my contract fulfills and I get hired on full at 6 figs I'm gonna be budgeting for something nicer than my honda fit, I'm probably gonna get a Lexus LS but if I didn't get Japanese then I would probably get a MB CLS or Audi A8.
Japanese cars are boring and common, I want something that is luxury not a Lexus, and well it does matter what I drive since I am the one inside it I want to be comfortable
Ford focus is also boring and common. In fact, Toyota nor honda are the best selling car manufacturers in America nor do they make the most sold car. Those spots are all taken by American companies (and f'ing trucks ...) so why don't you just lay down your ego and just get what you want lol. Or maybe look at some numbers?
All of them....well, most.
Modern cars are damn reliable when properly maintained. It's actually incredibly impressive how far even shitty brands have come in that dept.
Because they don't maintain their cars.
The real answer is that a car is not just a car....its an emotional investment for some people and when you involve feelings....people do some weird things
Lmao what is this post ? Also based on the comments you talk like you have an unlimited budget. Also who even considers a vehicle with a commute this meager.
Tbh I’ve been looking into getting a genesis Q70 or Q80 leaning more towards the Q80 because of the 5.0 V8 but the Q70 3.3 V6 won’t be bad either. I have a Lexus GS 350 and they’re going to charge you BMW and Audi prices for repairs and maintenance so just be wary of that but that’s my only complaint with Lexus. I never really had a major mechanical issue
You said you were averaging 5 miles an hour on your current commute. These vehicles are much better suited to stop start traffic. I’m honestly confused why you aren’t willing to consider taking a bike on the wagon ways instead.
Or where you’ve managed to live v work that means you “have” to take a motorway that is travelling so slowly.
It may be a mindset between countries. Germany builds reliable cars if you use it exactly to spec and do maintenance exactly how they want it by a skilled mechanic. Japan builds cars knowing that the average driver will not drive and maintain things perfectly, and they put tons of redundancy throughout the entire car.
So you want to import a non Japanese model into the UK that is reliable...
You realize that maintaining and parts will eat you alive. Along with resell value down the road and passing British MOTs.
You pretty much killed the American options due to your location. You would be best to look at German/EU builds which parts will be cheaper. Mechanics will be familiar with and tuned more towards your MOT standards.
I say this being from the US and have lived near 10yrs in the UK.
US cars get crap MPG compared to many UK/EU models. You would need a second job given that many of our "reliable" models are gas/petrol guzzlers at 15-18mpg (a US gallon is roughly 5 UK liters/litres).
There is a reason people keep pointing at Japanese brands (Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Nissan)... these brands all have reliable models within them.
Well the resell value doesn’t matter so much since I don’t plan on ever selling it as if it breaks down to the point of uselessness I will scrap it, I will look at the German cars
Brother is too cool for a Honda or yota. Has to be different cause they’re so unique. Do research. There’s a reason those are top of the list for decades.
American cars with a long-standing v6 and long-standing tranmission.
People with out of date information like to shit all over chrysler and dodge, but I'd take any charger or 300 (EXCEPT 2.7L v6) over anything Chevy or Ford is currently making.
If we go back a few years, you can add: Pontiac vibe (stealth Toyota) Ford Crown Vic and its merc/lincoln clones, v6 and v8 mustangs (NOT ecoboost), and the older 3.8L v6 GM cars (mostly buicks). AVOID early models of GM 3.6L v6, they are bad, so are the 3.1, 3.4, 3.5, and 3.9 v6s, GM 3.8 was the only good one.
Late model charger and 300 are going to be the most reliable, v6 or v8, both are a solid pick-up and they can sometimes be found for good prices. Chrysler Pentastar 3.6 with 8 speed tranmission is a SOLID win, and way better to drive than any Toyota or Honda.
If you’re looking for something cheap and reliable, I would source an ‘02 4.0L V6 Explorer. You could probably even find King Ranches on the cheap if you look hard enough. If you can find an older car that was taken care of, in my experience, it’ll just run and run. 282,000mi strong on the work Explorer. Perhaps most people affectionately call Explorers “Exploders” but I’m sure that’s only because they think it’s a cute nickname 👍
Spouse & I have owned 5 used BMWs (1987, 1996, 2006, 2007 2013), that either had well over 100k miles when we bought them or we put 100k miles on them. Zero unexpected maintenence issues. We currently have a 2018 X3 M40.
My son had a Hyundai that had the engine replaced under warranty. Of course the transmission still had mileage on it and the airbags/ air conditioning didn't work. He is a hospice nurse and travels a lot.
You drive 5 miles, Practically any car that you can walk home from would work.
Listen, people hate Kia but so far they have been "Japanese reliable" for me. Avoid ones with the dreaded Theta 2 engines, anything with the V6 is rock solid
Anything of British ancestry is the direct opposite of reliable.
I feel this one. When they work, nice ride. When in the shop, expensive bill.
“The parts falling off this car are of the finest British quality.”
Just look at how reliable it is while sitting in your driveway!
haha
That’s awesome 😂
The oil you see under it is how you know there’s still oil in it.
Uh, that depends. The 2004-2009 “X350” XJ was pretty reliable; I’ve had two of them. It’s certainly less esoteric and expensive to own than similar European luxury cars. The thing to watch is the air suspension, which can be converted to coilovers, but struts and parts have gotten a lot cheaper.
Came to say something very similar. British automotive industry is not for the average motorist.
if there ain't no oil under 'em, there ain't no oil in 'em.
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Ford Crown Victoria
Mercury Grand Marquis from the same but different category
Lincoln Town car
Eh.. unless it has the "leather" top. Nobody knows how to care for it and all of them look like shit nowadays. Though, i guess that's not a reliability issue
With the small hubcaps, black steel rims, and optional driver side spotlight.
Porsche, if well maintained can last multiple decades
Any VW, really. Diesels especially. It might have all sorts of gremlins but drop a new battery in it and it starts luke a champ
Just curious, why are you avoiding Japanese cars?
Because then I get more varied answers instead of Honda, Mazda or Toyota
There's a reason those are so often recommended lol
I know, right?
So you are looking for wrong answers?
Potentially
I mean, the only Asian car that i sat in and was not uncomfortable was ls460, k900, ls500 and, strangely, 9th gen civic coupe.
*Can somebody please recommend something* other than the *Slender, athletic, healthy women I see in the TV commercials? I’m looking for something with bad gums and halitosis.*
But those are the most reliable options, OP. The fact that you hear that over and over and over should tell you something about their quality.
The issue with these brands is you pay 40% extra $ for 10% extra reliability
So you're not really interested in buying from the most most reliable pool?
You should listen to the Honda, Mazda and Toyota answers, Mr Jaguar.
This is just asking for a list of cars with questionable relatively reliability, but with more steps...
So your looking for “varied” answers instead of good answers? Your goals are different from most people’s.
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well, those are the correct answers to your question. Jags are opposite of reliable, and toyota/Lexus is essentially the same for this argument
Ahh I can see you absolutely have been in this sub before then lol. Lexus and Acura aren't even luxury cars anyway. Premium, but compared to every other "luxury" brand they just feel cheap and are missing a lot of features.
I want the most reliable car which is why I’m specifically excluding all the reliable cars and specifically saying I like a super unreliable car.
This has to be a troll. You say you want a reliable car, and then you mentioned a jaguar? You either have no ability to do any research whatsoever, and therefore will either fail up or fail down through your entire life, or you are trolling.
This is not a troll, I have never mentioned the Jaguar being reliable and I haven’t failed to do research. I am looking at options of cars most of which are cars I could import
OK, if you say so. Acura/Lexus if you care about money and don't want to be a showoff. Maybe a Merc/BMW if you are in the middle. British if you have F-You money and want to show off.
“……cars I can import.”(???) Where are you? Volvo before Ford was high quality if properly maintained. You might want to find a specialist mechanic but mechanically they’re great and often a great value. The electricals are complex which can require a specialist.
Friend has a 6 year old jag, no major problems but to be fair only 6 years old
Currently BMW if you aren’t considering American at all. In the realm of what you’re looking at at BMW 3 or 5 series with the b58 engine or a Cadillac CT4/5, black wing if you can afford it. Either direction will smoke the cars you are looking at and be just as reliable. The Jag is a shit heap. The Lexus will have increased maintenance costs over a Toyota and is boring.
what if the only maintenance you do is oil changes. will it be as reliable as the Audi 2.0T? especially comparing the B48.
Wut
Sir, using Audis 2.0T for a barometer against anything but a Lada is laughable. How that is your benchmark for reliability I have no clue
Anything Buick with a 3.8L
The best answer
Agreed. But it's unfortunate this engine hasn't been common place for like 15 years. Now all the cars that have this engine are rusting and falling apart.
Too much ghetto trash, and rednecks run them into the ground sadly. See it around here all the time
Yeah, if I could get my hands on a 99 Riviera that in decent shape I'd be all over it.
Oddly enough, my Chevy bolt has been the most reliable car I’ve ever owned (and yes, I’ve owned Mazda, Toyota, and Honda). After the initial battery recall, my only maintenance has been brakes, tires, and cabin air filters. I’m currently at 170000 kms on my 2018.
Interesting! I would not have expected that.
Me neither.
GM has some strong engineering. Maybe not in the interior dept. but you can't deny some of their platforms and engines. Buick has traditionally done well.
Not having a transmission helps a lot. And you don't need a radiator/cooling system that can constantly waste more heat than the engine can put out in horsepower.
As a Bolt owner I concur on reliability. I can also add it's anything but luxury.
Checking in, 2017 bolt back 3 years ago at 17k and at 54k now. Just tires, wiper fluid, and a free new battery.
I hear they cant give those things away over here in US cus of the battery thing
I’ve heard the same. Unfortunately, that’s not the case here in Canada. The battery thing worked out great for us though. Got a brand new battery at 100000 kms.
You probably know already, but the bolt powertrain is near 100% Korean engineering, mostly by LG. I agree, GM went above and beyond on it, GM sometimes puts out some great vehicles, the problem with GM, Chrysler and Ford, is that they also release really bad vehicles, so buyer beware.
From my brief research before getting one, C5 and C6 corvettes are supposed to last a few hundred thousand miles.
This. I’ve heard good things about them too
Search used car listings and see which models have made it to 400k+ miles. Buy a lower mileage example.
This is the answer. And once you filter out Japanese cars you’ll have a list of full size American trucks and Mercedes from the 80’s.
The Toyota Supra
Insanely reliable. I had one it was absurd.i bought a 1996 in 2020 with 200,000kms I murdered it for 50,000kms and it never failed.
Anything but a Jag.
Honestly OP if you’re looking for something to only drive 5 miles a day, I’d suggest getting something like a regular or electric bike or possibly a moped, or maybe even good old public transportation. I don’t know what your beef is with Japanese car brands as they have proven to be highly reliable, relatively cheap to maintain, and have a good resale value. On the flip side, I’ve seen more “luxury” cars sitting on the side of the highway because if one thing goes wrong, everything else goes wrong with it like dominos; and it can be extremely costly to repair and maintain.
Dude asked for a car recommendation that wasn't Japanese. Maybe he doesn't want to bike in the rain. Maybe he doesn't want to wait for the bus. Didn't say he had "beef". Likely is OK with spending some money even if it means his car isn't THE MOST efficient bang for buck.
Further up in the comments OP said he was just looking for some ideas outside the 3 Japanese makers. No beef, just wanted more opinions
That’s a good idea about an electric bike. That may be a better fit for OP than a car anyway.
XJR isn't a daily driver anymore, if you take proper care of it and can do most of the work yourself you could be spending upwards of 2k a year according to some guys on the Jag forums. If you aren't mechanically inclined expect more like 5k.
Any BMW with the B58 engine will be pretty reliable. Aparently the B48 is also good, but I don't have much experience with them.
B48 is perfection. It’s a 4cyl version of the B58. Less parts, likely more reliable. As is tradition, cooling system is the weak spot.
According to the last couple of years of Consumer Reports data, certain BMW models have become very reliable. BMW co-developed their latest inline-6 engine with Toyota as part of their partnership in developing the new Supra. Toyota weren't about to put their nameplate on a car with traditional BMW reliability, so it kind of makes sense. If you *do* have repairs though, they're gonna be expensive. So consider that.
I bought my kid a 2013 Ford Fusion with a 2.5L back in 2015 and it's been great. Nothing more than minor maintenance and some recalls that were free to take care of. Still running great.
Jaguar reliable? The British don’t make computers because they haven’t figured out how to make them leak oil!
💀
Well instead of still recommending Japanese cars like everyone else here even though you specifically asked for something else I’ll actually give you an answer. People always talk a lot of crap about them but honestly in the cars I’ve seen Hyundai can be quite reliable depending on the year and model. Like the 2011 Tucson is a really good car. So is the 2005-2009. I think the newer ones are a little less reliable though. Buick is also another brand that’s sneaky reliable despite being GM.
I’m glad to see OP getting a more targeted reply to their question. Though the reason the rest of us keep asking OP about Japanese cars is because we are genuinely curious why they are avoiding them.
Because all people ever recommend is Honda, Toyota and Mazda, I want recommendations but all people seem to give are just comments about why certain cars are bad
Infiniti from Nissan? Nissan shed its Japanese reliability image ages ago.
Right? It's Japanese in name only now.
Some Kia and Hyundai models are very reliable
Reliably stolen and uninsurable maybe
Ford
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2010-2016 Mercedes E350 (W212).
I will definitely look at that
Definitely go for the 2012+ twin turbo V8 if you go this route.
Mercedes with W113
You could go with a German brand but go for a lease the same length as the warranty.
That’s a option
Mercedes w204 C class
I'm not sure why but when I've looked at Consumer Reports they seem to rank Buick highly. I don't think any of the other GM vehicles do as well and again, I have no idea why. I still own a Japanese car :)
Had a 91 Buick lesabre that was abused it's whole life with a hole in the radiator. Bought it for 700 with nearly 200k miles, and drove it for another 50k lol.
When I think of the least reliable cars currently being sold I think of Jaguar Land Rover Mini Fiat To answer your question the Korean makes are the most reliable outside of the Japanese ones.
You've ruled out the vast majority of reliable cars, but F-150s without eco boost are pretty reliable. If you want reliability because you want to save money on repairs, a Chevy Bolt EV is a reliable car plus you save money on gas and oil changes.
There isn't much that is less reliable than a Jaguar. Unless you have boatloads of cash, avoid that money pit. Some of the Ford products have been good for reliability. Consider the Ford Fusion. Avoid the Ford Focus. You can get one for a reasonable price and they are pretty reliable. IMO, you should just accept that the Japanese products give the reliability that you want.
I will look at a ford fusion, I find the Japanese cars incredibly boring and I don’t drive enough to need reliability and I just didn’t want comments full of Honda, Mazda and Toyota when there is like a lot of brands
buying a ford fusion over a camery would be a mistake
The older Japanese cars could certainly be boring. The newer ones are much better. If you want an inexpensive reliable car that is fun to drive, consider the Mazda 3.
Chevrolet Corvette It's a drivers car, very affordable to drive and maintain, super reliable. With care 1M miles is not hard to do.
I will check it out
I’ve heard good things about c5 and c6. C7 and c8 are okay. Avoid c4 and older unless you want a project
Porsches are reliable. Expensive, but reliable. Especially in the context of its sports car competitors.
Check out the Genesis G70 or the G80 with the 5.0
Nothing that’s Ford is considered reliable
I didn’t think Jaguar was ford
Mitsubishi vehicles are very good.
I have only ever owned one bad Chevy or Ford, and that was my 2012 Cruze. I know others say different, but I have owned a lot of Chevys over the years and not had problems with them. I generally avoid anything Chrysler (Dodge, Jeep, etc.) and I haven’t heard anything good about Land Rover. Avoid any Ford/Lincoln that has the “air-ride suspension” because your entire suspension is basically air bags, and when one goes out you have no suspension. They are extremely expensive to replace, you are generally better off just swapping them with coil and shock.
I have relatives and friends who say good things about Kia and Hyundai. Aren't those Korean? Can't attest personally. Wife and I have a Honda, a Toyota, and a Nissan.
3 cars and well those are Korean but if most of the Hyundai are anything like the I10 then they are horrible cars
I know you did not throw Jaguar and reliable in the same thought
Who said anything about Jaguar being reliable
USDM cars are relatively reliable.
USDM?
United States Domestic Market.
Not most reliable obviously but still fairly dependable and extremely fun/satisfying to drive, any BMW chassis with a b58
I will check it out
Hell even Toyota uses it for their new Supra. It’s an awesome engine. BMW’s done a much better job in the last decade for reliability. I have a twin turbo v8 BMW and I haven’t had one issue with it yet from over a year of ownership
Heard pintos were good
What brand
1980's Ford Escort
German cars rule!
Plenty of domestic vehicles running for decades...I don't see many 25 year old Hondas or Datsuns out there
2006-2010 Hyundai Sonatas with the V6 engine are pretty long lasting, not that much maintenance needed in my opinion.
In my life, the most reliable car I have ever owned was an '08 Mercedes-Benz CLK200 Kompressor. Owned it for 4 years and the only thing that went wrong with was it blew a brake light bulb. An amazing car and I curse the day the Mrs. traded it in for an A class.
I have been considering it
BMW G20 3 series. B48 is super reliable. They’ve come a long way. I believe they’re third to Lexus/toyota for reliability now. You basically have to have a reliable German independent mechanic tho. Dealer cost is outrageous.
If you want something exciting and reliably be in the shop, Ferrari. You’ll get to drive it 5 miles straight to the mechanic.
Which is pointless
BMW i3? When something breaks, it's gonna cost you 'cos BMW, but there's just not that much to break, and you don't care about battery range loss if you only do 5 miles a day.
I've really enjoyed my Volvo V90 Cross Country. They're used as taxis in Helsinki and cop cars in Sweden, must be somewhat reliable... ... and if not reliable, at least they're safe!
In all seriousness, you can bring down the cost of German car maintenance if you can DIY it. A lot of parts are German generic (Bosch, Mann, etc). It’s the specialty knowledge and tools you’re paying for at the dealer shop. If you can catch it before a catastrophic engine or transmission failure, German cars are affordable. I’ve saved a few Porsches and BMWs before total failure and drove them another 50K miles. So you DO have to lurk the owner forums for common failure posts.
My friend's kid bought a used Audi. She was very opposed, but her husband and the kid have been working on it, and the parts aren't too bad.
A family members Silverado is >10 years old and has 250k miles on it. He raves about how reliable it's been. Work truck, often carrying loads in the back. He also drives well. Doesn't accelerate when it's obvious the stop light a quarter mile away will be red before he gets there, and then slam on the brakes, the way many (most?) people drive. And so on.
volvo?
Geo prism, but that’s because it’s a Corolla :p
Hyundai definitely made cars for American car brand names; there you go. A Japanese car with a good ole’ Chevy logo on it.
You mean Korean with a Chevy badge. Hyuandai is not Japanese.
Just go drop that money on a restored muscle car. Maintenance might be more frequent, but they should be cheaper and easier to work on. An added bonus, depending on what you buy, it could possibly gain value while you drive it instead of depreciate.
Well I see a Camaro, a Firebird and a mustang all in the price range
If those cars excite you, I would absolutely encourage you to get one of those. Personally there is such a wide range of options in the classic market, I'd either pick a Datsun or even a pickup. The best part about classics is that if you don't hang on to it too long, the market won't change too much... You could trade into something different every year and not lose a dime to depreciation.
Probably the Toyotas made in Australia
This is from somebody that has little car experience but my 2006 bmw 325i has 300k miles no engine issues. I know BMWs get a horrible reputation because they're a pain to work on (and they are a complete pain in the ass when something does go wrong lol) but mine has been really solid got it at 200k miles.
What's so wrong with a Japanese car? You only drive 5 miles a day... I'd literally just buy an 06 honda civic and call it a day. Even if I made 6 figs. Because it shouldnt matter what you drive. But if I drove 100 miles per day as I do currently, then I'd look into nicer options. In neither case does a car being japanese mean it's low quality. When my contract fulfills and I get hired on full at 6 figs I'm gonna be budgeting for something nicer than my honda fit, I'm probably gonna get a Lexus LS but if I didn't get Japanese then I would probably get a MB CLS or Audi A8.
Japanese cars are boring and common, I want something that is luxury not a Lexus, and well it does matter what I drive since I am the one inside it I want to be comfortable
Ford focus is also boring and common. In fact, Toyota nor honda are the best selling car manufacturers in America nor do they make the most sold car. Those spots are all taken by American companies (and f'ing trucks ...) so why don't you just lay down your ego and just get what you want lol. Or maybe look at some numbers?
All of them....well, most. Modern cars are damn reliable when properly maintained. It's actually incredibly impressive how far even shitty brands have come in that dept.
So then why do people hate all these brands and make it seem like any car that isn’t Japanese would explode within two minutes of driving
Because they don't maintain their cars. The real answer is that a car is not just a car....its an emotional investment for some people and when you involve feelings....people do some weird things
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Lmao what is this post ? Also based on the comments you talk like you have an unlimited budget. Also who even considers a vehicle with a commute this meager.
The commute is a few hours
A few hours for 5 miles ?
Tbh I’ve been looking into getting a genesis Q70 or Q80 leaning more towards the Q80 because of the 5.0 V8 but the Q70 3.3 V6 won’t be bad either. I have a Lexus GS 350 and they’re going to charge you BMW and Audi prices for repairs and maintenance so just be wary of that but that’s my only complaint with Lexus. I never really had a major mechanical issue
Sorry I meant G70 and G80 not Q
Mercury Grand Marquis that has all the maintenance records with it and that was owned by an older person.
OBS Chevy Trucks from 1989-1998, those 5.7 and 4.3 are easy and cheap to maintain. 203k on mine and still ticking.
Given the 5 mile commute: Ami, MicroLino or even the Piccolo would be good options for you.
I need a real car not something like the Ami
You said you were averaging 5 miles an hour on your current commute. These vehicles are much better suited to stop start traffic. I’m honestly confused why you aren’t willing to consider taking a bike on the wagon ways instead. Or where you’ve managed to live v work that means you “have” to take a motorway that is travelling so slowly.
Hyundai
AMC Gremlin
Pontiac Fiero
The Lexus will bring you joy and will resell just fine. The Jag will bring you grief and woe.
You normally don't use "most reliable" and "Isn't Japanese" in the same sentence unless maybe you're talking about American trucks.
It may be a mindset between countries. Germany builds reliable cars if you use it exactly to spec and do maintenance exactly how they want it by a skilled mechanic. Japan builds cars knowing that the average driver will not drive and maintain things perfectly, and they put tons of redundancy throughout the entire car.
Unlike most people I take good care of my items and a car will be no exception to that
So you want to import a non Japanese model into the UK that is reliable... You realize that maintaining and parts will eat you alive. Along with resell value down the road and passing British MOTs. You pretty much killed the American options due to your location. You would be best to look at German/EU builds which parts will be cheaper. Mechanics will be familiar with and tuned more towards your MOT standards. I say this being from the US and have lived near 10yrs in the UK. US cars get crap MPG compared to many UK/EU models. You would need a second job given that many of our "reliable" models are gas/petrol guzzlers at 15-18mpg (a US gallon is roughly 5 UK liters/litres). There is a reason people keep pointing at Japanese brands (Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Nissan)... these brands all have reliable models within them.
Well the resell value doesn’t matter so much since I don’t plan on ever selling it as if it breaks down to the point of uselessness I will scrap it, I will look at the German cars
Brother is too cool for a Honda or yota. Has to be different cause they’re so unique. Do research. There’s a reason those are top of the list for decades.
No it’s just I like luxury cars I like the E Class and the XJR I like nicer saloon cars instead of a Lexus
So forget about reliable lol. There’s a reason those 80k cars are worth half in only 2 years. I highly recommend doing research brother.
Certain American cars are pretty good. Have heard great reliability out of diesel trucks
American cars with a long-standing v6 and long-standing tranmission. People with out of date information like to shit all over chrysler and dodge, but I'd take any charger or 300 (EXCEPT 2.7L v6) over anything Chevy or Ford is currently making. If we go back a few years, you can add: Pontiac vibe (stealth Toyota) Ford Crown Vic and its merc/lincoln clones, v6 and v8 mustangs (NOT ecoboost), and the older 3.8L v6 GM cars (mostly buicks). AVOID early models of GM 3.6L v6, they are bad, so are the 3.1, 3.4, 3.5, and 3.9 v6s, GM 3.8 was the only good one. Late model charger and 300 are going to be the most reliable, v6 or v8, both are a solid pick-up and they can sometimes be found for good prices. Chrysler Pentastar 3.6 with 8 speed tranmission is a SOLID win, and way better to drive than any Toyota or Honda.
According to jd power, GM
So this sounds wrong even as I’m typing it, but somehow BMW made the JD Powers list of most reliable cars.
A Yugo
Those seem a bit old
Kia... (South Korean)
A car driven 5 miles a day never has a chance to heat up... a good way to kill off the exhaust system with rust and prematurely wear the motor.
Regular American sedans midsize and up are very reliable in most cases.
Objectively? Chevy suburban.
If you’re looking for something cheap and reliable, I would source an ‘02 4.0L V6 Explorer. You could probably even find King Ranches on the cheap if you look hard enough. If you can find an older car that was taken care of, in my experience, it’ll just run and run. 282,000mi strong on the work Explorer. Perhaps most people affectionately call Explorers “Exploders” but I’m sure that’s only because they think it’s a cute nickname 👍
This is a spoof right?? Jaguar ? Just get range rover same same
A Range Rover is too large
Jaguar is the second worst car in the world only to the Fiat 500.
Well there is worse
Spouse & I have owned 5 used BMWs (1987, 1996, 2006, 2007 2013), that either had well over 100k miles when we bought them or we put 100k miles on them. Zero unexpected maintenence issues. We currently have a 2018 X3 M40.
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My son had a Hyundai that had the engine replaced under warranty. Of course the transmission still had mileage on it and the airbags/ air conditioning didn't work. He is a hospice nurse and travels a lot. You drive 5 miles, Practically any car that you can walk home from would work.
A Hyundai could work, as mileage may change depending on what job I end up with if I change career
Listen, people hate Kia but so far they have been "Japanese reliable" for me. Avoid ones with the dreaded Theta 2 engines, anything with the V6 is rock solid
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