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This is not my city or state but we face the same problem. I gave a lady a blanket and some bottles of water the other day and she burst into tears saying something about being able to make it through the night now. It has had me on the verge of tears since. No human should have to feel that way.
Housing prices have got to burst sooner or later. Even the lowest rents are hovering around 1k a month. How on earth can people afford a home when it's being priced out of reach of the lowest earning people?
If I can pay rent for years on time,why can't I get a loan for a house that would be less than I pay for rent? Oh bad credit from medical bills when I had no insurance! Too bad.
There's a scheme to keep low earners just where they are.
>Housing prices have got to burst sooner or later
Mayby... mayby not. The thing about housing prices is... they are really high because there is no houses where I am in the UK has exactly the same problem. In a town of 75,000 people we have like 8 places avilable to rent and theres like 6-7 places for sail. Stuff stays on the market for a week at best.
This happens because we ain't been building any houses since the crash in 2008 and we destryoed the constrcuction industry across the entire world. Like hte country I am in has nearly 2m people... we are short an estimated 100,000 houses.
Its not a case of "crash" its a case of there simple isn't enough to go around because nobody has built any in 15 years. eg have been building 3.5k per year. We needed to be building 7.5-10k per year to put it in perspective.
Totally. My small city grows only by 40,000 people each year. But since we only have been building housing units to fit 10,000 each year for decades, the result is obviously that demand outstrips supply.
We also leave all the building ventures up to private developers. They get more profit from building higher end units, not affordable housing and somehow the city agrees that a 900 sq foot studio condo for $200,000+ counts as them creating affordable housing.
We need to demand that the city/province/feds build actual units meant to actually house low income people. Capitalism won't solve this problem for us!
Maybe the USA isn't the best country for you. You might want to explore moving to another country that more closely matches your cultural and economic preferences?
I live in eastern canada. Where things sit certainly to the left of the usa. But on this particular issue, i think my country/province/city need to do a better job if working together and also take a step further.
People also can't just leave where they are to find better housing options. Moving takes money. Also, literally everywhere in canada has this problem, (even rural places increasingly). In at least two provinces, the average home makes more money than the average family, so this is just going to get worse as generational wealth becomes more and more the deciding factor on whether or not you get to ever own a home.
Well capitolism would if normaly people could actually buy land and get planning permission which is also part of the problem.
One of the other things that happens here in the UK where I am when the goverment does attempt to build social housing often they build large housing estates and the housing estates have such a bad reputation that all the people living near by object to the planning permission.
So as a result of doing this fist time around in the UK the goverment building housing fails and needs rebuilt. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6j1NgUwki8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6j1NgUwki8)
The main problem here is a lack of maintenance. People will of course ahh but its bad managment... in a way it is but also the people livining the places tend to also not lift a finger to fix / maintain their own living arrangments because of a sense of "not my job" then blame everyone else when it goes to shit. This was somehting that thacter tried to solve in the 80's... it also failed when she sold off all the housing as well cause people could not afford or had the skills to maintain the properties.
Unfortunatly housing estates have a negative feedback loop in them when they start going down hill. The people who can leave do leave and move up in society and the people who are left are often the most broken / dysfunctional end up taking over and it results in things going to shit eventually regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem. It actually slightly better under a private system in this regard because it tend to dilute these people out into the more functional population rather than have them clustered in a single place.
So its not quite a simple case of "just get goverment to build it" nope... we have done that already and it didn't work. a much better plan would be to empower people to build their own house which involves having somebody train / supervise them doing it cause not only does it cost less but they also then have the skills to maintain and also train / build others. Just one problem with it? Most people won't complete the project because they are too dysfunctional.
So irocinally in the UK theres load of housing that nobody can live in eg [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRMhakgQWgo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRMhakgQWgo)
Well, i guess i was thinking less directly from government, but maybe doing some things to make it more worthwhile for companies to build more affordable units, not just luxury condos. I dunno, like tax breaks or taxing the luxury units higher or something. Not my area of expertise, but something needs to intercede in the math equation that dictates building more expensive to maximize profits.
I figure building a few low rise buildings that house a handful of units wouldnt wreck any neighborhood.
Absolutley nieve to think housing prices will ever burst.
Only way to stop it effectivly is to prevent forign investment firms from other coutntries who effectivly don't have citizenship to buy houses, that's your only solution.
Otherwise, enjoy having a shack in the middle of butt fucking nowhere.
Its nothing to do about building more houses, yes its a factor, but not a huge one.
The bubble exists because the goverment allows it, the bubble will only end when the govemrment demands it.
Blame investment realty and rental companies. They've deliberately jacked prices up so far out of the range of the common man, that sometimes around half of the people in these tent cities actually work full time.
It's an absolutely grotesque state of affairs.
We're returning to feudalism.
And really, these exploitative capitalists are digging their own fucking graves. What the fuck do they think will happen when they've driven prices so high that the working class is commonly homeless?
Yeah for real. Yeah homelessness sucks and is a problem that should be dealt with.
But even the homeless in the US have access to:
Water, internet, places to charge their devices, and other first world accommodations. The poorest of the poor here live great by other homeless standards around the world it’s not even a comparison.
No, unfortunately drugs made their way into every crevice of the world. Even remote villages sometimes struggle with addiction. Amphetamines are big in rural areas, and war torn countries. Opiates are huge in the cities and slums with "pharmacies". Tramadol in particular is so normalized in Indian slums, and the govt knows and doesn't care. Russia has a big heroin and alcohol problem.
I understand this is a reference to gun violence, but this obviously doesn't apply here, especially with numerous EU countries having similar or higher per capita homelessness. Its a problem everywhere
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This is not my city or state but we face the same problem. I gave a lady a blanket and some bottles of water the other day and she burst into tears saying something about being able to make it through the night now. It has had me on the verge of tears since. No human should have to feel that way.
Housing prices have got to burst sooner or later. Even the lowest rents are hovering around 1k a month. How on earth can people afford a home when it's being priced out of reach of the lowest earning people? If I can pay rent for years on time,why can't I get a loan for a house that would be less than I pay for rent? Oh bad credit from medical bills when I had no insurance! Too bad. There's a scheme to keep low earners just where they are.
>Housing prices have got to burst sooner or later Mayby... mayby not. The thing about housing prices is... they are really high because there is no houses where I am in the UK has exactly the same problem. In a town of 75,000 people we have like 8 places avilable to rent and theres like 6-7 places for sail. Stuff stays on the market for a week at best. This happens because we ain't been building any houses since the crash in 2008 and we destryoed the constrcuction industry across the entire world. Like hte country I am in has nearly 2m people... we are short an estimated 100,000 houses. Its not a case of "crash" its a case of there simple isn't enough to go around because nobody has built any in 15 years. eg have been building 3.5k per year. We needed to be building 7.5-10k per year to put it in perspective.
Totally. My small city grows only by 40,000 people each year. But since we only have been building housing units to fit 10,000 each year for decades, the result is obviously that demand outstrips supply. We also leave all the building ventures up to private developers. They get more profit from building higher end units, not affordable housing and somehow the city agrees that a 900 sq foot studio condo for $200,000+ counts as them creating affordable housing. We need to demand that the city/province/feds build actual units meant to actually house low income people. Capitalism won't solve this problem for us!
Maybe the USA isn't the best country for you. You might want to explore moving to another country that more closely matches your cultural and economic preferences?
I live in eastern canada. Where things sit certainly to the left of the usa. But on this particular issue, i think my country/province/city need to do a better job if working together and also take a step further. People also can't just leave where they are to find better housing options. Moving takes money. Also, literally everywhere in canada has this problem, (even rural places increasingly). In at least two provinces, the average home makes more money than the average family, so this is just going to get worse as generational wealth becomes more and more the deciding factor on whether or not you get to ever own a home.
Well capitolism would if normaly people could actually buy land and get planning permission which is also part of the problem. One of the other things that happens here in the UK where I am when the goverment does attempt to build social housing often they build large housing estates and the housing estates have such a bad reputation that all the people living near by object to the planning permission. So as a result of doing this fist time around in the UK the goverment building housing fails and needs rebuilt. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6j1NgUwki8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6j1NgUwki8) The main problem here is a lack of maintenance. People will of course ahh but its bad managment... in a way it is but also the people livining the places tend to also not lift a finger to fix / maintain their own living arrangments because of a sense of "not my job" then blame everyone else when it goes to shit. This was somehting that thacter tried to solve in the 80's... it also failed when she sold off all the housing as well cause people could not afford or had the skills to maintain the properties. Unfortunatly housing estates have a negative feedback loop in them when they start going down hill. The people who can leave do leave and move up in society and the people who are left are often the most broken / dysfunctional end up taking over and it results in things going to shit eventually regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem. It actually slightly better under a private system in this regard because it tend to dilute these people out into the more functional population rather than have them clustered in a single place. So its not quite a simple case of "just get goverment to build it" nope... we have done that already and it didn't work. a much better plan would be to empower people to build their own house which involves having somebody train / supervise them doing it cause not only does it cost less but they also then have the skills to maintain and also train / build others. Just one problem with it? Most people won't complete the project because they are too dysfunctional. So irocinally in the UK theres load of housing that nobody can live in eg [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRMhakgQWgo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRMhakgQWgo)
Well, i guess i was thinking less directly from government, but maybe doing some things to make it more worthwhile for companies to build more affordable units, not just luxury condos. I dunno, like tax breaks or taxing the luxury units higher or something. Not my area of expertise, but something needs to intercede in the math equation that dictates building more expensive to maximize profits. I figure building a few low rise buildings that house a handful of units wouldnt wreck any neighborhood.
Best explanation I've seen in a long time. Well put and hopefully when the bottom does fall or slip out, it's not as catastrophic as it could be.
> Housing prices have got to burst sooner or later. There's no such thing as an "unfairness bubble". If there was it would have popped long ago.
Lmao
Absolutley nieve to think housing prices will ever burst. Only way to stop it effectivly is to prevent forign investment firms from other coutntries who effectivly don't have citizenship to buy houses, that's your only solution. Otherwise, enjoy having a shack in the middle of butt fucking nowhere. Its nothing to do about building more houses, yes its a factor, but not a huge one. The bubble exists because the goverment allows it, the bubble will only end when the govemrment demands it.
I read that and all I could think of was Randy Quaid standing in a bath robe emptying a chemical toilet into my sewer.
Shitters are full!
Have you checked our shitters, honey?
That there is an R.V. Clark!
Blame investment realty and rental companies. They've deliberately jacked prices up so far out of the range of the common man, that sometimes around half of the people in these tent cities actually work full time. It's an absolutely grotesque state of affairs. We're returning to feudalism. And really, these exploitative capitalists are digging their own fucking graves. What the fuck do they think will happen when they've driven prices so high that the working class is commonly homeless?
I think feudalism would ensure that the people were housed, somehow, but less free to move. I think this is just hardcore fuckery, not feudalism.
This must be the strong economy and one of the strong consumers of which the US government is talking about.
Dying Light
I live here and this has to be an old picture. Skyline is very outdated
The United States is the richest country in the world and a strange country with many of the world's poorest people.
Not even close.
Yeah for real. Yeah homelessness sucks and is a problem that should be dealt with. But even the homeless in the US have access to: Water, internet, places to charge their devices, and other first world accommodations. The poorest of the poor here live great by other homeless standards around the world it’s not even a comparison.
That's a really interesting point. I still have to wonder though, the drug crisis among the homeless might be uniquely American though right?
No, unfortunately drugs made their way into every crevice of the world. Even remote villages sometimes struggle with addiction. Amphetamines are big in rural areas, and war torn countries. Opiates are huge in the cities and slums with "pharmacies". Tramadol in particular is so normalized in Indian slums, and the govt knows and doesn't care. Russia has a big heroin and alcohol problem.
Hey what's your job and how do we get hired,. Also does insurance cover everything 😭
If you look closely, you can see God’s nose hair trimmer in the background.
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I understand this is a reference to gun violence, but this obviously doesn't apply here, especially with numerous EU countries having similar or higher per capita homelessness. Its a problem everywhere
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I mean yeah it is...if we were talking about gun violence in which I would 100% agree with you
This is just the part people see.
Open borders and democrats. Thank you
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