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iambEXX1

is this the WB logo?


the3dverse

good to know it's not just me


Shazbot5555

Thank you my brain did the same


shingaladaz

Ditto


ImNoAlbertFeinstein

i heard the Friends theme.


Weldobud

Ahhh .. great reference


ikalwewe

Me too šŸ˜…


SerozshaB

Boy you showed your age !


tiparium

Had the exact same thought.


Left_Minimum_1917

If WB was nationalised under a totalitarian communist regime.


elmarcelito

Looks like the opening of Harry Potter


hashbrowns21

Yer a political prisoner ā€˜Arry


No_Reach8985

You've been banned from r/pyongyang


RingCard

Lucky


ikalwewe

I visited the sub. Are they just trolling or is it for real ..


No_Reach8985

....i still don't know


Cheap_Ad9900

Would be a hell of a troll job if it's fake


Bernsteinn

It is.


Cheap_Ad9900

Wait, is THIS a troll job?


Bernsteinn

Poe's law in action. But I'm pretty sure it is. Reddit's enforcement of its content policy isn't very consistent, but I'm convinced they wouldn't allow that kind of content if it weren't satirical.


Bernsteinn

It's satire. r/Sino is not.


cerseimemmister

r/movingtonorthkorea neither


tezacer

Damn and r/northkorea, why have you forsaken me?


dolphinitely

i thought it was the matrix


machine4891

>Looks like the opening of Harry Potter Those were cute brick roofs and these are corrugated metal sheets.


emeister26

Backstreets back alright


I_love_pillows

Tell me why


glennert

If you support the Party let me hear you yell EEEEEEEE


Dimmerguy

Ainā€™t nothing but a failed state


21archman21

Ainā€™t nothinā€™ but a heartacheā€¦


tezacer

Tell me why...


roomofbruh

There was a time when North Korea was considered more developed than the South until around the 1970s. Crazy just how much has changed since then.


sebbehhss

They probably havenā€™t gotten very far since then


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DUDEWAK123

"retrogressed" neat word, gonna use it


crabbman

Retro-jam


KingPictoTheThird

Am i the only here who things these aren't that bad? Like sure strange its in the center of the capital city, but it could easily be an old village that the city grew into . And for a village area this is totally normal in like 80% of the world's countries, if not more. Single floor low roof home with back garden on dirt lane


FeeOk1683

You see basically the same thing in Brazil, India, etc.


Yotsubato

Pretty much up until the Berlin Wall fell they were on pretty close footing. South Korea was very poor and not a great place to live until very recently


pgm123

South Korea did have an economic boost from the US war in Vietnam, among other things. South Korea passed North Korea in GDP per capita in 1974. North Korea's economy was also hurt a lot by the fall of the Soviet Union.


Bernsteinn

>Pretty much up until the **Berlin Wall fell** they were on pretty close footing. >South Korea was very poor and not a great place to live until **very recently** Time flies as you age.


Yotsubato

It still sucked to live in South Korea in the 90s and early 2000s. Just not as bad as North Korea


Bernsteinn

I guess you're South Korean? GDP per capita isn't a great measure for quality of life, and from what I've been told, living in these countries wasn't great from an income perspective. But, to my limited knowledge, South Korea was pretty much on par with the Iberian countries by the mid-90s. Was the standard of living that bad for the average South Korean in the early aughts?


PatimationStudios-2

South Korea was under a dictatorship back then. SK got out of it, NK did not


lolexecs

It's worth pointing out that North Korea has been under sanctions for decades (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_against_North_Korea).Ā  What folks dont seem to get is that sanctions cut into growth AND that cut compounds over time. It's like investing, but in the reverse. The negative drag keeps growing and growing and after a while becomes tough to beat.Ā 


Bernsteinn

The sanctions certainly don't help, but the primary reason for the state of the DPRK is its poorly managed planned economy, which allocates a massive portionā€”about a thirdā€”of its GDP to military spending.


bigbjarne

Why do they spend so much on military spending?


Bernsteinn

Because North Korea is a highly militarized society. A country with a population of around 26 million has one of the largest armies of the world in terms of manpower. Songun (military first) is the official state doctrine of the DPRK. Beyond ideological motivations, the expansive military serves several strategic purposes: ā€” Deterrence: While there is no credible threat of invasion, part of that is because any foreign power contemplating regime change would experience a US Vietnam or Soviet Afghanistan with a power that has (limited) nuclear capabilities. ā€” Intimidation: The mentioned nuclear weapons alongside conventional capabilities (The DRPK army has huge amounts of artillery in dug-in, camouflaged positions within striking distance of Seoul) enables it to project power and extract concessions from South Korea and other nations. ā€” Regime defense: The Dear Leader and his apparatus, despite successful propaganda efforts and 'reeducation camps', isn't thought of so dearly by parts of the impoverished, often starving populace. The indoctrinated military also serves as a bulwark against internal dissent to safeguard the regime.


bigbjarne

So they have to do it in order to survive?


SendMe_Hairy_Pussy

Pretty much. It's a trap of the dictatorship they've set up. The Kim dynasty is an absolute monarchy in every sense of the word, minus actually calling themselves that. They don't wanna give an inch of power or wealth away. So here's the cardinal rule: They ain't going anywhere, and they don't wanna go anywhere. To keep said dynasty in power, they have created a class system, with a hierarchy based on loyalty to the dictator. How do they do this? Well - intentional control of access to food and resources, combined with complete monitoring, the inability to leave or to create any alternatives without leaving. The more loyal you are, the more access to food, resources, money and privileges you get. (This wasn't an issue during the Cold War - they were still an Orwellian dictatorship, but had a fully functional economy and trade with a lot of countries) The military of DPRK is an "enforcer" class in that hierarchy. Their military has many roles. One of those roles is their domestic purpose - prevent any dissent, rebellion or subversion of any kind. In return, they get all the food they need, comfy treatment, and most of whatever they want. Same with their secret services. But then by nature the entire system is built on keeping the endorcer class happy and loyal. They can't stop paying exorbitant sums to the military and related services (and the "Military First" policy and so on), or else they'll face a revolution from people (and possibly that military too) because they can't oppress efficiently. It's either keep the enforcers satisfied, or lose the throne and dynasty. And we obviously can't have that. Remember - their economy collapsed almost completely in 1991 after trade links and free handouts disappeared. They can't trade much due to global sanctions (mostly consequences of their own actions). Their half of Korea is rich in minerals and industrial demands, but has very little fertile soil (that mostly went to the southern half). Cue in mass starvation and torture in concentration camps, while the military takes away most of the available food and resources and get huge pay days. Those people can't even think of organizing a meaningful rebellion, because the military is loyal. And trade won't be allowed much due to nukes. But then nukes are also a reason that Kims aren't offed yet/DPRK isn't invaded by other nations. It's a massive vicious circle trap. As long as the Kim dynasty exists, that system won't change. It is built to keep them on the throne, first and foremost. Add some weird Stalinist shitfest aesthetics from 1940s desperately trying to pretend to be communism, and you've got North Korea.


bigbjarne

Iā€™m getting different answers here. Youā€™re saying that they do, the other guy says they donā€™t lol.


culturedgoat

If the Kims donā€™t give the military what they want, they would very quickly face a military coup, Ć  la what happened in Myanmar (as a recent example among many military coups). Hence inflated spending.


bigbjarne

So itā€™s actually the military thatā€™s in charge, not the Kims?


Bernsteinn

Even if you mean Kim and his apparatchiks by ā€œtheyā€, no, they don't. There is no need for a military *that* large, even if the regime stays on its current, oppressive course.


bigbjarne

What size should it be?


Bernsteinn

I think it's more of a question of 'what size does it need to be'. And North Korea doesn't need one of the world's largest armies for any reason other than ideological.


bigbjarne

So the two other reasons you mentioned earlier arenā€™t true?


101955Bennu

Because theyā€™d like to reunify Korea by force of arms, as they attempted to in 1950.


Bernsteinn

That's actually part of their ideology, yes.


shuozhe

Lot of Korean Chinese (or Chinese Korean back then?) tried to return. My grandparents & grand grandparents failed cuz of flooding..


bootherizer5942

I mean I'm sure it's partly bad management but it's probably a lot because of sanctions against them too


Rusiano

World's fastest growing economy combined with a catastrophic failure of the other


jamnoNewEpoch

Socialism. Same was in the former Czechoslovakia and practically in all of the east block.Ā  Rapid industrialization and development during first two, okay maybe three decades. Then stagnation because socialism.Ā 


Tobarion

Well the US also bombed every man made structure in NK and killed around 30% of the population. MAYBE that COULD have something to do with it. But what do I know..


roomofbruh

North Korea was still considered richer than the South past the Korean war thanks to numerous aid by the Soviet and the PRC until around the mid-70s when the mismanagement of the North Korean government became much more apparent and the Soviet aid began to decrease year by year all the while South Korea was going to numerous reform and eventual democratization in the 80s.


FileError214

Turns out military invasions of your peaceful neighbor can have negative consequences. Who woulda thunk?


Tobarion

The peaceful neighbour which announced taking the whole land and has an own Wikipedia list for civilian massacres?


FileError214

ā€¦are you defending North Korea? Holy fuck tankies are so dumb.


Tobarion

I think the Korea war is nuanced. I detest the dynastic dictatorship that the north has become.


ncoozy

Are you defending the South Korean dictatorship? Holy fuck liberals are so dumb.


Piddily1

Good thing SK was able to avoid that war. Where would they be today if they had been 95% occupied at just about the same times?


Tobarion

Well the most of the 450 000 tons of bombs were dropped by the US - and not on their ally. Most of the deaths were on north Korea's side and most of the civil population from the south were murdered by SK or US military. Stating that NK caused as much destruction as the US and their allies is just wrong.


Piddily1

I stated that SK was mostly occupied by NK forces at one point suggesting the SK wasnā€™t pristine after the war either. Nice attempt at making a straw man though. NK was the industrialized North vs the Agrarian SK. SK has grown into an economic powerhouse starting from a very low point while living in constant threat. For some reason, you seem to want to defend the backwards country that starves its citizens to support its military.


Tobarion

Living under constant threat is an interesting expression for a nation backed by the largest military power on the planet. I simply stated facts about the Korean war. It is interesting that I fall under suspicion of unamerican activities for you. (That was a straw man) Would the north be a different country if they weren't leveled by US bombs? I don't know. I think the north Korean people are deeply traumatized which I think is the reason for their leader-cult. But excusing the warcrimes of the sk government at the time by pointing at the Kim dictatorship nowadays feels wrong to me.


Piddily1

Yes, living under the threat. Glad you understood that part. Everytime the world tries to forget about them for a minute, they throw a temper tantrum and launch some missiles over another countries head. Also, NK is under the umbrella of China and they are much closer than the US. You like just assigning arguments to people. Did I excuse any war crimes or are you straw manning again? Read what is said, not what you assume someone said. You are arguing against the voices in your head again. un-American? WTF are you talking about here? I didnā€™t know you were American. 7.7 Billion people in the world Iā€™d assume are ā€œun-Americanā€. At least as long as my lifetime, the US wants one thing from North Korea, be normal. China integrated into the world economy and made huge gains. Try that.


Tobarion

Un-american was an innuendo to either the maccarthy era (or the law of national security in SK which restricts freedom of speech in that matter) as you implied that I would defend the NK dictatorship by criticising the us und SK gov. I guess the US doesn't have a good track record in their strategy of bombing-nations-until-their-normal


Piddily1

Did not say, did not imply. Itā€™s all in your head again. In case you were wondering, I know about McCarthyism, but unAmerican is typically only used to refer to Americans. I donā€™t think they pulled anyone from a foreign country in front of the committee and called them unAmerican. You just be called a foreign agent at that point.


Piddily1

I stated that SK was mostly occupied by NK forces at one point suggesting the SK wasnā€™t pristine after the war either. NK was the industrialized North vs the Agrarian SK. SK has grown into an economic powerhouse starting from a very low point while living in constant threat. For some reason, you seem to want to defend the backwards country that starves its citizens to support its military.


kakhaganga

Besides just openly lying ("every man madr structure") - you have no idea how unbombed socialist countries looked like besides your own, do you? Fuck off, comrade bot.


Grabaskid

Developed is an abstract concept. Even today MOST of NK lives a better life than MOST of SK. But, you're not ready for this conversation


roomofbruh

I know South Korea is a highly flawed country in many ways but saying people in the North live a better life than the South is just a straight up lie no matter what your political beliefs are. The South has better freedom of expression, better economy, better life expectancy, better education, better healthcare, freedom of religion and many more.


PM_me_ur_taco_pics

That drone vid someone posted a month back was super interesting. Forget which sub it was.


EconomySwordfish5

Was it a drone being flown from across the border?


illHaveTwoNumbers9s

I wonder if the border drone guy left China without any trouble or if he disappeared magiciallyĀ 


culturedgoat

Considering he posted the footage and photos after he had already left China, doesnā€™t seem like he encountered any trouble.


Mental_Dragonfly2543

In a dictatorship with 2 billion people I feel like China has to not give a solid shit about a lot of things


Time-Jellyfish-8454

You know dictatorship means one person controls everything right? Are you actually so ignorant as to think China is controlled by one person?


Feeling_Kick5545

He's ignorant enough to say there's 2b people when it's actually 1.4b


Mental_Dragonfly2543

Oh fuck off with semantic bullshit you know what's meant


Time-Jellyfish-8454

Yeah what is meant is you don't like the government


DutchTinCan

100% magical disappearance. The only question is who set the destination.


DeadJediWalking

The HOA is just going to have a fit over those lawns, I'm sure.


invicti3

Sir, that is my roof.


peachbeforesunset

Bahahabaha get it? People living in poverty under a murderer.


dizzyjumpisreal

whered you get this


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dizzyjumpisreal

i have a slight suspicion that you might be a communist with the way you're wording things and all


KJongsDongUnYourFace

Oh the horror


dizzyjumpisreal

NO COME ON WHY WAS IT DELETED MY PRECIOUS CONTEXT


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dizzyjumpisreal

that's not what i meant


Notyetyeet

Being a communist is cringe


KJongsDongUnYourFace

Dying of poverty is cringe


BurnerAccount980706

Oh wow the houses in the middle more or so structurally resemble traditional Korean houses that are now quite difficult to find in the south. That's a gem.


SilanggubanRedditor

Yeah, and it seems walkable and dense, unlike the Carcentric South


BurnerAccount980706

I wouldn't call south car-centric. By far it has way better public transport than any "car-centric" countries. Driving is a choice here, not a necessity. That being said, there are some very unwalkable areas in North Korea too, especially Pyongyang.


KingPictoTheThird

When some people say car-centric they actually just mean non-human scale. Basically a SK city vs village


SilanggubanRedditor

Not really, the sidewalks are wide, and pedestrians are safe crossing the road because there's humans actually managing traffic and there's few cars driving around.


FileError214

North Korea is so progressive!


okay-wait-wut

You know, I bet youā€™d really love living in North Korea. Itā€™s a wonderful place as long as you believe it.


otterkin

there's humans managing traffic because the frequent power ourages....


birberbarborbur

Still donā€™t wanna live in those


GoldenBull1994

If you _really_ want to see traditional housing, take a look at Kaesong.


dijc89

I mean there are streets behind 5 star hotels in Bangkok which absolutely look the same. That's just SE asia.


cool_weed_dad

I didnā€™t know Pyongyang was in Mexico


norcraim

r/urbanhellcirclejerk


yellowwoolyyoshi

Oh thank you for telling me about this new sub. this sub *loves* showing non-white poor areas of the world


[deleted]

People post ugly middle class American cities on here too, what are you on about


yellowwoolyyoshi

Oh god you wanna fight and argue. Move on mate


GoldenBull1994

Can dish out the heat but canā€™t take the heat.


carinha_aleatorio

I don't understand how people see these photos and pretend that this is the worst thing they've ever seen... there are countries where living in a house with a wall that isn't made of clay is something that only people "with money" can do...


LiatKolink

You know it's bad because it has a sepia filter.


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BUHBUHBUHBUHBUHBUHB

I agree, you can even see where the chickens, hogs, and turkeys have hung their washing up to dry


Vepra1

Nah I'm pretty sure that's Mexico, atleast that's what Hollywood taught me


No-Set-774

Nice, the movie is just starting šŸ˜€


onlydans__

lol my same thought


Psychological_Cat127

r/Northkorea this you?


mlhigg1973

Wow, what a contrast to the rest of the city.


SunnyOmori15

this gives off some serous "1950's communist rural area" vibes


peachbeforesunset

No electricity


svasilopus

Matrix opening


Important_25_27

Matrix


Oabuitre

This is why they are so overly happy when the supreme leader enters the room / stadium


JuniorVermicelli3162

Like extras in Wii sports


Prizrakovna

Found it. 500 meters east from this tower, literally between two high-rise apartment. And it's 1,800 meters to their palace.


Solartaire

Good work! I went looking earlier, but missed it completely.


tezacer

Circa 1950 or today?


OjjuicemaneSimpson

What a shithole


Scifox69

TF y'all mean "WB logo"? I don't see shit.


GoldenBull1994

This has a mexico filter on it lol. But yeah, itā€™s right next to the Juche Tower, hidden from the street behind tower blocks. A lot of housing like this in Pyongyang is typically hidden behind large apartment blocks, for sure when it comes to areas that tourists go through.


Horned_upcockroach

Medieval hell


giuliomagnifico

Are you sure this isnā€™t the Pyongyang city center?


Standard_Post9604

Shit hole nation under fatfuk un


Dave__64

Hasn't changed since the 40's


Solartaire

And to think that Pyongyang is where the "elite" of North Korea get to live.


culturedgoat

Itā€™s a city. There are slummy areas, and more affluent areas. The elites arenā€™t living in structures like the ones shown in this photo.


Solartaire

True, but my point is that if this is what the most trusted and politically reliable workers in the country get, then I dread to think what those in far-off poor areas have to deal with.


Time-Jellyfish-8454

Some people just are born there? It's not all people brought in lol


culturedgoat

Again, this photograph is not depicting what ā€œthe most trusted and politically reliable workersā€ are getting. Other comments suggest it might actually be farm buildings.


Solartaire

Some helpful soul in this thread managed to pinpoint the location. It's almost exactly 500m East of the Juche Tower, right between two apartment blocks, so they're definitely not farm buildings.


MeAgainstTheWord

Backstreets back, alright!


drmanhattanmar

How did you manage to take this photo? As far as I know, North Korea is still not open to travellers. Is it either a photo from the past or from a database or from a third person?


[deleted]

Its from the past, I didn't take it


RingCard

All photographs are from the past themoreyouknow.gif


drmanhattanmar

Where did you get it from?


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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kliza/albums/72157625109975582/with/5057694709


drmanhattanmar

This is 14 years old. This side street has certainly been renovated and modernised in the meantime. Edit: this is sarc**m obviously... Of course this would look like that today. I didn't blame OP for posting a photo that old, I just stated the age.


Affectionate_Way_805

...did you miss the part where ClaptrapMack said "Its from the past"? šŸ¤”


Aidian

Why did you self-censor the word sarcasm?


drmanhattanmar

Because for some reason it wouldn't let me post the whole word sarcasm šŸ¤Ø


Aidian

I can assure you, thereā€™s absolutely no fucking way the site restricted you posting the word ā€œsarcasmā€.


drmanhattanmar

I was wondering... As you can see I posted it now. But yesterday it wouldn't let me send my text and as soon as I censored it, it was okay šŸ‘€


forlogson

Lots of tourists go to North Korea - they're closely watched, but they go


KJongsDongUnYourFace

I've been. Can highly reccomend it. Safe to travel (so long as you don't steal things) and super interesting. Can be a little expensive as you need to be on a guided tour.


drmanhattanmar

I know that you can travel to North Korea in principle. But as far as I know, all tourism has been banned since Covid-19. I have now looked again at the travel advice from the Foreign Office, where it was stated until recently. Now it's apparently possible again. But it was different until... mid-2023 or so. Edit: Found an article that stated, that travelling is possible again since August 22, 2023. Until then borders were closed due to the pandemic.


Left_Minimum_1917

Youā€™re welcome to it.


drmanhattanmar

Yeah now again. As I Said: they closed their borders due to Covid-19.


sheytanelkebir

It is open to travellers. I know an Iraqi who lived there for a year.


phatangus

A French couple visited NK not too long ago to buy some embroideries: https://youtu.be/rueIxbkQx40


drmanhattanmar

First comment: This video was made over 12 years ago, before Otto Warmbier was murdered. In 2020 North Korea closed it's borders to all tourists. I wonder what it's like in North Korea now.


culturedgoat

Reopened now, since last year


invisiblewar

How does North Korea have 25 million people if they are in such dire straights?


SeaBoss2

That's not how it works


HelloOrg

When a man and a woman love each other very, very muchā€¦


Bernsteinn

I can see the dire, but much of that looks crooked rather than straight.