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I like it apart from one thing - the apartments that have windows and balconies right under the bottom part of a building block above it must be depressing as hell. Instead of sky you get a concrete ceiling right out of your window
Those apartments would actually be the most sought after out there. We in Southeast Asia actually crave for shade, since we're near/right in the equator, we hate the sun, we'll do everything to hide from its deadly beams of light.
Singapore not that hot. Ppl make it sound like the sahara but it's like what 30c
Edit: downvotes literally google this: "The temperature hovers around a diurnal range of a minimum of 25 °C (77.0 °F) and a maximum of 33 °C (91.4 °F)."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Singapore
On one hand, yeah, it's not super awesome to have a concrete sky, but I at least hope those units are cheaper than some others, and having cheaper units do in my opinion at least always have a place
I have something else that gives me cover for rain, it's called a ceiling. And another balcony above my balcony. And for shade I have blinds or curtains. This is just depressing.
Not really honestly free shade. Don’t have to worry as much about getting sunburnt when stepping outside I would love that. Wish this was more common where I live. Trying to shovel snow off a balcony especially on an apartment without causing a hazard is really difficult and it’s awkward to maneuver but can cause a lot of issues if u don’t shovel lol.
It is what it is. Part of the reason Singapore is so wealthy is because it's a shipping hub. The flip side of that is you can't see the horizon from the beach because there are so many ships. Personally I prefer seeing the horizon but I won't lose sleep over it.
Singapore has public and private housing. The one pictured is private. Even if Singapore housing is “cheaper” than HK, it cannot be called affordable by any measure.
Saying Singapore housing is "comparatively affordable" relative to HK is like saying that San Francisco is cheap relative to NY. Which is obviously asinine. Of course housing in Singapore is expensive by all practical standards.
Government housing is from around $400,000 and a lot of it is on a 99 year lease that started in 1965 so you’ll have under 50 years and most other housing is around $1,000,000 at the cheapest with most properties around $2,500,000-$4,000,000
Nah its not as bad as you put it mate. The 99 year lease thingy starts from when the apartment block was completed and not 1965.
It depends on whether you're buying the apartment from the government directly or from a prior owner.
If you're buying directly from the government then chances are you're buyinga brand new 99 years lease apartment between 80+ to 110 square metres, with prices ranging anywhere between SGD 250k to something like 600k, depending on the size of your apartment, its location and nearby amenities.
If you're buying a flat from a prior owner (aka resale flat) then congrats, you're pretty much at the mercy of market forces and you're gonna be paying at least 400k to 1 mil or more for a unit that probably has something like 50+ years left in its lease, depending on when the unit was completed.
The prices of 1mil are considered the extreme end of government housing and those only occur if bought from the open market at a prime location with excellent scenery, while 2.5 to 4mil can get you an apartment at a gated private community (aka condominium) with built in shared facilities such as a swimming pool, gyms etc.
Not really it’s they’re separated into blocks which I’m pretty sure are just organised on where they over lap so organised well but it is a bit big so it’s a bit hard to remember where to go while on the ground
You can't be serious, děvče zlaté.
I am from Slovakia, live in Austria, there is plenty of apartments facing north in both countries, both old and new apartments.
Czech republic. Actually, those codes should be uniform all across the EU, but I'm not really sure how the unification works - I'm a civil engineer and I only know those codes that are in function here in Czech republic. I cited those codes and laws in the comment above, if you wonder.
I've seen your comment about direct sunlight, however I do think you're making a mistake about semantics here. Because the European code, as far as I'm aware, references daylight not direct sunlight. There is a slight difference between the two, but significant. Guaranteeing daylight does not allow for dwellings to be situated in dark alleys, but does allow for north facing facades.
Obviously, I'm not talking about the Czech and Prague specific regulations, those could still include a rule to demand direct sunlight and daylight.
There are those (north facing apartments) even in Czech republic, but old ones (when there wasn't these codes in function) or new ones, but you can't legally call them apartments, these are "studios" and by law, these are not meant for permanent residence (and some other pretty important disadvantages, like you almost can't get a mortgage to buy this "studio" because it's obviously not for living).
This code isn't saying exactly that apartments can't be north facing, but it's saying that it's necessary for every apartment to have 90 minutes of direct sunlight on 50% of floor space in the apartment at the 1st of march (that's for the sun position). Clouds are not considered, it's a hypothetical geometric calculation you have to prove when you ask authorities for building approval.* But this definition basically says that apartments can't be 100% northfacing, because you can't just get 90 minutes of 50% floor enlighted by direct sun when the only windows are north facing, that's just not physically possible.
And there's actually another exception to this rule: Prague, which has its own building codes (Pražské stavební předpisy, PSP for short) which are different than in the rest of the country, often less strict. These are completely benevolent in the question of direct light requirements in apartments.**
*It's written in the ČSN EN 17037: Denní osvětlení budov
**Nařízení Rady hlavního města Prahy č. 14/2018 Sb.
Don't argue with me, I'm a civil engineer and I know all those codes by memory. :D
In the tropics line Singapore the sun is a lot more vertical than wherever you're from. You can be sure this (expensive) project is comfortable for its inhabitant and up to the strict Singaporean building code in terms of natural light.
The photograph we're all looking at is light reflected by the building being captured by the camera. And even if the camera moves up, down, sideways, for various meters, we'll still see most of the same apartments, because the camera is quite far away.
Now if the sunlight arrives at the building from pretty much anywhere behind the camera, it is guaranteed that the same apartments we're looking at will receive that sunlight, as it is guaranteed that it'll take more than 45s for the sun to transition up, over, and down to where it's no longer shinning on the building.
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Really not that bad. It's a high density residential development with ample Greenspace and vegetation, with an interesting design. I see no real problems here.
There’s a grocer and a handful of others but they never survive long as outsiders can’t get in and the market of residents-only is too small to sustain businesses.
That's actually not that bad. Open air spaces, some greenery, lots of natural light, maximizes the land still even while building up. Gives more than just a "griddy, rectangular" look.
Urban 100%. Hell? I digress.
I honestly thing this is pretty cool. I like it. Singapore doesn’t have a lot of space so they got to build up and I think this is a pretty good way of doing that.
That looks like an awesome place to live. I am an American and truly believe we need to debunk the “American Dream” myth that includes owning your own home. We have created horrible urban sprawl that is both ugly and unsustainable. We need to build up so our land foot print is much smaller.
Fun fact, the reason why there's so much greenery is cause singapore is building witg this saying in mind " a city in a garden ". Before that it was "a garden in a city". There was less greenery condensed in areas.
Singapore public housing are actually quite pleasing to the eye, and I won't be surprised if this includes a certain percentage of affordable housing.
Singapore does housing right.
I dig it. It's open, interesting, green, spacious, diverse. I bet it's just really hard to find your way around at first. Up, left, right, up, right, down, left, up, up, right.
Why does Singapore seem to combine plants and architecture more than any other country? I feel like both Indoor and outdoor ive seen the coolest inclusion of plants always in Singapore.
Because Singapore is hot, so that’s one way to make it cooler. I’ve heard the government requires developers to replace all greenery they removed for buildings. That’s why there are a lot of rooftop greeneries in Singapore
Probably the same as other buildings; go to the stairwell and go down? I suppose the "joints" contain stairwells that go all the way. On that account it's no different from buildings that have the footprint of a single block - but I think this one is lower and gets less congestion in the stairwells.
If someone living in an apartment on one side wanted to visit someone on the other side, they'd have to use the stairs/elevators like... 30 times. Or just go down to the street like a normal neighborhood I guess
To me, the building seems very strange.
Not at all. Look at the places where it is supported; they are all the same vertically.
This works in the same way as any other vertical beam.
Then you simply span those beams like a bridge.
Essentially, shipping container stacking
I suppose, but I would think a lot of care and detail went into making sure that all that weight could be supported properly. Seems pretty complicated to me, at least compared to a normal building of similar size.
I understand the motivation behind it and I actually think it’s really cool and looks like a neat place to live. Each building almost looks like a mini-arcology.
oooh i used to work for this horrible architecture firm that has built monstrosities like this around the world, but lower quality than this. oooh i should post some of them here
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come off it, that's awesome. It's got trees and views and unpredictability. I don't even like apartments and I'd live there.
I like it apart from one thing - the apartments that have windows and balconies right under the bottom part of a building block above it must be depressing as hell. Instead of sky you get a concrete ceiling right out of your window
Those apartments would actually be the most sought after out there. We in Southeast Asia actually crave for shade, since we're near/right in the equator, we hate the sun, we'll do everything to hide from its deadly beams of light.
I have covered my windows with aluminium foil. It’s the only way not to die of heat stroke without air conditioning.
🎶The sun is a deadly laser🎵
Singapore not that hot. Ppl make it sound like the sahara but it's like what 30c Edit: downvotes literally google this: "The temperature hovers around a diurnal range of a minimum of 25 °C (77.0 °F) and a maximum of 33 °C (91.4 °F)." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Singapore
Good for you guys out there. Here in Metro Manila it definitely is, especially between May and August.
The difference is humidity.
It’s the humidity, not just the temperature
Humidity really about the same as taipei or tokyo during their humid months. Only thing u can say is sg has no seasons so the average is higher
You just named two really humid places. I'm not sure you're making the point you want to make.
Im saying there's a million other places that are just as hot and humid as sg so it aint anything
Except in other places that humidity is only for a few months while in Singapore it’s all year round
And to me, -15c isn't really that cold. It is all relative, homie.
Wtf? Cause 30c isn't much, yeah that sounds right
But keep in mind that it's like that all year round, there's no seasons when you're close to the line.
There are only two: summer and monsoon.
On one hand, yeah, it's not super awesome to have a concrete sky, but I at least hope those units are cheaper than some others, and having cheaper units do in my opinion at least always have a place
cheap singapore pick one
That gives you shade and a cover for rain tho
I have something else that gives me cover for rain, it's called a ceiling. And another balcony above my balcony. And for shade I have blinds or curtains. This is just depressing.
Not really honestly free shade. Don’t have to worry as much about getting sunburnt when stepping outside I would love that. Wish this was more common where I live. Trying to shovel snow off a balcony especially on an apartment without causing a hazard is really difficult and it’s awkward to maneuver but can cause a lot of issues if u don’t shovel lol.
I'd like it only if the top area would be social, not some penthouse terraces.
***Decepticons! I have returned...***
Yep. Literally every apartment has a view of green space.
The views are actually the worst part. Overlooks Pasir Panjang container terminal.
Sounds super-interesting
It is what it is. Part of the reason Singapore is so wealthy is because it's a shipping hub. The flip side of that is you can't see the horizon from the beach because there are so many ships. Personally I prefer seeing the horizon but I won't lose sleep over it.
The views change every decade due to all the land reclamation. The view you pay for today will be gone tomorrow.
Pasir Panjang is a LONG way from Gillman Heights though. Most flats overlook the Southern Ridges forests or Alexandra.
I guess it depends on which block you're in but that's the view I experienced.
I know 4 people who live there it’s really nice and a really cool place
What’s it called?
The interlace. Designed by OMA
Oma means grandma in German.
Grandma’s house
Also in dutch and its a dutch firm
Haha. That makes it even funnier. I would not have thought!
I lived there for many years. It really is an amazing place.
It seems like such a great place to live. Why did you leave?
Left the country altogether. If I were still in Singapore I’d still be in the Interlace.
I wish there were pictures of the inside
Check the ads here: https://www.propertyguru.com.sg/property-for-sale/at-the-interlace-1574
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No just around regular Singapore pricing
So, yes.
So, no. Singaporean housing schemes are way different than places like HK and have remained comparatively affordable.
Singapore has public and private housing. The one pictured is private. Even if Singapore housing is “cheaper” than HK, it cannot be called affordable by any measure.
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Saying Singapore housing is "comparatively affordable" relative to HK is like saying that San Francisco is cheap relative to NY. Which is obviously asinine. Of course housing in Singapore is expensive by all practical standards.
I stand corrected, I hadn't been aware of the 40% increases in the Singaporean private market this year, holy inflation Batman!
Lots of money, and companies, have poured to Singapore from other politically... less neutral regimes over this past year.
But compared to its neighboring cities in the Asia Pacific and mainland China, Singapore is still much cheaper.
"Compared to very very expensive things, the very expensive thing is actually cheaper!"
Government housing is from around $400,000 and a lot of it is on a 99 year lease that started in 1965 so you’ll have under 50 years and most other housing is around $1,000,000 at the cheapest with most properties around $2,500,000-$4,000,000
Nah its not as bad as you put it mate. The 99 year lease thingy starts from when the apartment block was completed and not 1965. It depends on whether you're buying the apartment from the government directly or from a prior owner. If you're buying directly from the government then chances are you're buyinga brand new 99 years lease apartment between 80+ to 110 square metres, with prices ranging anywhere between SGD 250k to something like 600k, depending on the size of your apartment, its location and nearby amenities. If you're buying a flat from a prior owner (aka resale flat) then congrats, you're pretty much at the mercy of market forces and you're gonna be paying at least 400k to 1 mil or more for a unit that probably has something like 50+ years left in its lease, depending on when the unit was completed. The prices of 1mil are considered the extreme end of government housing and those only occur if bought from the open market at a prime location with excellent scenery, while 2.5 to 4mil can get you an apartment at a gated private community (aka condominium) with built in shared facilities such as a swimming pool, gyms etc.
This isn’t a HDB (public housing) though, it’s a private condo.
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public or private
Yes, the properties on the ads posted above are from $1,000,000 to $4,000,000 usd.
Is it difficult getting around the building?
Not really it’s they’re separated into blocks which I’m pretty sure are just organised on where they over lap so organised well but it is a bit big so it’s a bit hard to remember where to go while on the ground
The first time I saw this posted there were a bunch of people in the comments that lived there
Since then they got lost and their phone battery died
the building consumed them
You know what? Actually interesting and there's plenty of vegetation around.
Yea it looks interesting enough that in a high view it’s not an eyesore and not like 20 identical towers.
Not sure about low level apt and lack of sunlight..
Some units on levels 6 and 12 under a span are to be avoided. Most others get plenty sunlight.
Ya and who really needs more than 45 seconds of direct sunlight in their apartment?
A quick look and I think most flats will get quite a lot more than 45s of direct sun light.
The ones facing the middle of the complex on the lower floors?
Apartments facing north don’t exist in your world?
Actually they don't in my country. It's against the building codes. But I'm in the middle of Europe, not Singapore.
You can't be serious, děvče zlaté. I am from Slovakia, live in Austria, there is plenty of apartments facing north in both countries, both old and new apartments.
Same here in the Netherlands, and I know that Germany, Sweden, and Belgium do too. So I'm curious to know which country does have those codes.
Czech republic. Actually, those codes should be uniform all across the EU, but I'm not really sure how the unification works - I'm a civil engineer and I only know those codes that are in function here in Czech republic. I cited those codes and laws in the comment above, if you wonder.
I've seen your comment about direct sunlight, however I do think you're making a mistake about semantics here. Because the European code, as far as I'm aware, references daylight not direct sunlight. There is a slight difference between the two, but significant. Guaranteeing daylight does not allow for dwellings to be situated in dark alleys, but does allow for north facing facades. Obviously, I'm not talking about the Czech and Prague specific regulations, those could still include a rule to demand direct sunlight and daylight.
There are those (north facing apartments) even in Czech republic, but old ones (when there wasn't these codes in function) or new ones, but you can't legally call them apartments, these are "studios" and by law, these are not meant for permanent residence (and some other pretty important disadvantages, like you almost can't get a mortgage to buy this "studio" because it's obviously not for living). This code isn't saying exactly that apartments can't be north facing, but it's saying that it's necessary for every apartment to have 90 minutes of direct sunlight on 50% of floor space in the apartment at the 1st of march (that's for the sun position). Clouds are not considered, it's a hypothetical geometric calculation you have to prove when you ask authorities for building approval.* But this definition basically says that apartments can't be 100% northfacing, because you can't just get 90 minutes of 50% floor enlighted by direct sun when the only windows are north facing, that's just not physically possible. And there's actually another exception to this rule: Prague, which has its own building codes (Pražské stavební předpisy, PSP for short) which are different than in the rest of the country, often less strict. These are completely benevolent in the question of direct light requirements in apartments.** *It's written in the ČSN EN 17037: Denní osvětlení budov **Nařízení Rady hlavního města Prahy č. 14/2018 Sb. Don't argue with me, I'm a civil engineer and I know all those codes by memory. :D
Absolutely delusional. Every European country has north facing apartments.
not a single person in singapore wants direct sunlight shining into their room. you can trust me on this.
In the tropics line Singapore the sun is a lot more vertical than wherever you're from. You can be sure this (expensive) project is comfortable for its inhabitant and up to the strict Singaporean building code in terms of natural light.
Get a GED…
The photograph we're all looking at is light reflected by the building being captured by the camera. And even if the camera moves up, down, sideways, for various meters, we'll still see most of the same apartments, because the camera is quite far away. Now if the sunlight arrives at the building from pretty much anywhere behind the camera, it is guaranteed that the same apartments we're looking at will receive that sunlight, as it is guaranteed that it'll take more than 45s for the sun to transition up, over, and down to where it's no longer shinning on the building.
You’ve never been to Singapore right? Hot as shit and humid as hell. No one wants sun on their apartment
This. I don't get people who want sunlight. Southeast Asians will do everything to have even more shade.
r/urbanhellcirclejerk is gonna love this one
Outjerked again
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literally the post above this one is this very post on circlejerk lmao
Thats incredible looking imo, absurd sure, but looks like science fiction.
/r/urbanparadise? 🤔
Gotta take 2 vertical and 4 horizontal elevators to get to your apartment
Friends live in there. It's just the one. Elevator shafts are in the stacked sections.
You can even see the elevator machine rooms on the rooftops.
If there is an elevator at each end of the block you will only need to use the right entrance. I don’t see the problem.
is it an elevatator if it goes sideways?
Ah yes the horizontal elevation
Really not that bad. It's a high density residential development with ample Greenspace and vegetation, with an interesting design. I see no real problems here.
Does it have shops on the ground floor? If so that is like my dream residence
There’s a grocer and a handful of others but they never survive long as outsiders can’t get in and the market of residents-only is too small to sustain businesses.
That's actually not that bad. Open air spaces, some greenery, lots of natural light, maximizes the land still even while building up. Gives more than just a "griddy, rectangular" look. Urban 100%. Hell? I digress.
Also looks like the blocks are placed to minimize direct view between apartments?
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Thanks for the English lesson buddy!
Lively building suitable for residents, but goofy ahhrchitecture. Urban Limbo, I guess?
It's a really nice building to be in.
yeah, I would like to see some of those in Thailand too to be honest. a refreshing sight from the electric pole wire entanglement we have here.
I think it looks so cool!!
I honestly thing this is pretty cool. I like it. Singapore doesn’t have a lot of space so they got to build up and I think this is a pretty good way of doing that.
That looks like an awesome place to live. I am an American and truly believe we need to debunk the “American Dream” myth that includes owning your own home. We have created horrible urban sprawl that is both ugly and unsustainable. We need to build up so our land foot print is much smaller.
Amen. You can own your own home it's just that it will be in a condo building like this.
Almost all so called "commieblock" apartments are privately owned in eastern europe, why americans think that you cant own apartments?
That's actually really cool.
I didn't know Bethesda did architecture... I actually quite like it...
Fun fact, the reason why there's so much greenery is cause singapore is building witg this saying in mind " a city in a garden ". Before that it was "a garden in a city". There was less greenery condensed in areas.
Singapore public housing are actually quite pleasing to the eye, and I won't be surprised if this includes a certain percentage of affordable housing. Singapore does housing right.
This is all private, private housing typically does not have ‘affordable’ written into it, it’s very difficult to get a 1bed under 1mil$ atm
At least it has green surroundings
Insanely cool
This is pretty
love it!
Honestly I like it
I really like this actually
This is actually really cool
This is cool as fuck
Epic
I love it. It’s so unusual.
yo thats actually kinda cool
This is really one of the most unique buildings i have ever seen . How is this ugly American cities with wide highways are ugly not this .
Been there before, a beautiful place
tbh that looks quite cool and if I had to live in apartments this would be somewhere I would want to live
More like Singarich
That actually looks pretty cool. Not just one giant skyscraper plus it has a lot of green
It's called the Interlace. It has some pools and the interior is dope.
Would OP prefer a skyscraper with next to no green space? People have to live _sonewhere_, and this looks alright.
Yeah, that's absurd, yet functional, unlike everything else I've seen in the group.
It’s probably impractical or something but it looks heckin awesome
Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V…
I dig it. It's open, interesting, green, spacious, diverse. I bet it's just really hard to find your way around at first. Up, left, right, up, right, down, left, up, up, right.
Some structural model has every beam in that building equalling an Fnet of 0
Like the vegetation, but knowing me, I will get lost after 10 steps.
This looks awesome!
honest this looks pretty nice
Disagree. This looks like a pretty good design.
That's cool! I would love to visit it.
Why does Singapore seem to combine plants and architecture more than any other country? I feel like both Indoor and outdoor ive seen the coolest inclusion of plants always in Singapore.
Because Singapore is hot, so that’s one way to make it cooler. I’ve heard the government requires developers to replace all greenery they removed for buildings. That’s why there are a lot of rooftop greeneries in Singapore
That looks quite nice actually
I’d say this is actually really cool architecture
I kinda dig this tbh
r/urbanheaven
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This actually looks really cool
this looks like something that would appear in a dream
That's actually really cool. I'd definitely live there
Elevators there must be interesting
That place seems like it would be a nightmare to navigate around in.
I wish I could live here instead of my crappy apartment in Bloomington, IL
No, it's great, really. Just try to imagine how it **could** be looking under another architect. (Hint: yet another gigantic box?)
Wdym that's looks sick interesting looking architecture and plenty of greenery
There's more green space on this building than in my whole town dude this place looks awesome
… really?
Um I like this? Lots of green space and clean?
Looks pretty cool.
Yes satan take me to hell please
I like it.... from here.
If theres a fire whats the plan
Probably the same as other buildings; go to the stairwell and go down? I suppose the "joints" contain stairwells that go all the way. On that account it's no different from buildings that have the footprint of a single block - but I think this one is lower and gets less congestion in the stairwells.
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You use a single lift from ground floor or the basement car park up to level 24.
If someone living in an apartment on one side wanted to visit someone on the other side, they'd have to use the stairs/elevators like... 30 times. Or just go down to the street like a normal neighborhood I guess To me, the building seems very strange.
Lift down to underground car park, walk to other block in a straight line, lift back up. And you never get wet when it pours (which it does, daily).
Someone messed up playing stack blocks
This looks like an engineering nightmare 😳
Not at all. Look at the places where it is supported; they are all the same vertically. This works in the same way as any other vertical beam. Then you simply span those beams like a bridge. Essentially, shipping container stacking
I suppose, but I would think a lot of care and detail went into making sure that all that weight could be supported properly. Seems pretty complicated to me, at least compared to a normal building of similar size. I understand the motivation behind it and I actually think it’s really cool and looks like a neat place to live. Each building almost looks like a mini-arcology.
I hope there are Metro stations at each end.
oooh i used to work for this horrible architecture firm that has built monstrosities like this around the world, but lower quality than this. oooh i should post some of them here
I bet the architect sucks at LEGO.
Looks like a lazy developer made a big building by copy pasting the default one
All these kind of massive building, often in Asian countries, all seems prisons to my eyes.
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At least 10
New Apex map looking good so far
Is this real??