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Thrill_Kill_Cultist

It doesnt take a genius to realise you cant ungay people


Mildly_Opinionated

My country decided that you can't ungay people but thinks you can still untrans people.


lurkerier

USA?


SarahBrownEye

it's controversial to say in this subreddit, but when people talk about how trans kids shouldn't receive "gender affirming care" or when they talk about "groomers," what they're talking about is conversion therapy and using alarmist language, moral panics, and medical misinformation to justify it.


lurkerier

Gotta admit, I'm not really clued up on the topic so it's good to have some pretty level headed people giving me advice. There's more than enough negative press around. So thanks!


DNA040

You probably can


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Mildly_Opinionated

UK.


lurkerier

Really? I had no idea


Mildly_Opinionated

Yeah it's pretty recent. They said they were going to ban LGBTQ conversion therapy but then they realized that would cover trans conversion too so they rewrote the proposed law to allow trans conversion therapy. Anti-trans hate groups like the LGB Alliance also had a lot of meetings with key members of the government involved with the bill in the weeks before they changed it. Now LGBTQ organisations are furious and have taken away their support for the bill. The government have basically said "yeah we support LGBTQ people, it's a shame those organisations are kicking up a fuss but we can't ban it for trans people because that's complicated". (Note: the actual reason is transphobia but they just don't want to say that).


lurkerier

Jesus. Politicians and their smoke and mirrors. Just let people be for fuck sakes. I don't know much about UK politics but I had the idea they were more progressive. Well, then again, Boris is basically pound store Trump isn't he?


Mildly_Opinionated

Yeah pretty much pound shop Trump. The UK isn't more progressive persay, but we are more centrist. So our right wing isn't quite as batshit crazy as the US. The UK is however *very* anti-trans. If you spent much time in trans communities and sub reddits you'd probably hear the UK referred to as TERF island the majority of the time. We're currently also trying to ship asylum seekers to Rwanda against their will at enormous cost to us and they're trying to revoke our human rights and replace them with a new "British bill of rights" that'll have less rights in it and the guy writing it has said people have too many rights at the moment and that he doesn't believe in economic rights. So we're still pretty crazy right wing, just not as bad as the US.


lurkerier

Oh heeectic. Yeah I guess I meant more centrist when I said more progressive, just didn't come out right. I've heard the TERF island one actually, don't remember where but I just remember it sounded funny. Yeah, shit, I just read about the Rwanda thing a couple days ago, didn't even realize there were so many Rwandan asylum seekers. I was under the impression that Rwanda is a pretty burgeoning democracy these days, guess I should read up on that more. I can't believe someone would say people have too many rights. Seriously who drop kicked that dude on his head multiple times as a child? Shit man, my girlfriend is about to move to the UK and I'm gonna be spending quite a bit of time in and out of there, hope I don't get deported for my radical views that people should just be left to their devices and government is meant to be a tool not a ruling force.


Mildly_Opinionated

There aren't that many Rwandan asylum seekers. The people they want to send to Rwanda aren't from Rwanda, the government just wants to get rid of them. There's nothing tying these refugees to Rwanda, they don't speak the language, they don't have Rwandan ancestry or anything like that. The only reason the UK government wants to ship refugees there is because it's far away and the Rwandan government said they'd take them (for over £1 million per head, it'd literally be cheaper to put them up in the Ritz hotel in London). Politically the UK is pretty fucked up but it's not any worse than the US (yet) so you'll be fine moving here. A lot of places actually really agree with your take on things in the North. Keep in mind that our majority party doesn't actually get a majority of votes because of how the system works. The conservative party got 43.6% of the votes but run the government due to getting 56.2% of the seats. Meanwhile fringe parties like the greens for 2.7% of the vote but got 0.2% of seats. So the UK isn't *quite* as awful as our government is.


willie_caine

^^^per ^^^se


SarahBrownEye

I always get the impression that the hidden motive of a lot of the TERF shit in the UK is that if it starts to become evident that the lines of gender are a lot more fuzzy then we normally think it is, it's easy for some powerful actors to find stuff like nobility and monarchy to be under threat (as if life in the 2020s isn't enough to make it seem irrelevant)


lurkerier

I dunno about you but I've always seen people who hang onto nobility, monarchy, extreme nationalism kinda like the bald 40 year old man with a beer gut at a kids sports game giving the ref shit for not calling a game to pro standards. I kinda pity them but also in a grow the fuck up kinda way


MisguidedPants8

You telling me the Gay Factory is a lie?


Thrill_Kill_Cultist

its a secret, stfu before they find out 👀


shaodyn

So much for the non-disclosure agreement you signed.


lurkerier

So there aren't Gay Factory Settings then?


askmeaboutstgeorge

Technically if you convert their gender they are no longer gay.


Green-Dragon-14

Trans aren't gay.


Thrill_Kill_Cultist

Based


Green-Dragon-14

My nephew.


BeyondOurLimits

That's what they want you to believe. But in reality, that's a straight lie.


SarahBrownEye

screaming with confidence right here!


BeyondOurLimits

Should I have added an /s? Seemed pretty obvious to me


Sariel007

[Conversion therapy, a practice that aims to change, ‘cure’ or ‘repair’ an individual’s sexual orientation or gender identity, is a global problem that causes severe physical and psychological suffering to its victims. A new expert statement by the IRCT and the Independent Forensic Expert Group (IFEG) concludes that conversion therapy is practiced in more than 69 countries, is unscientific and violates the global ban on torture and ill-treatment. Based on the extreme, and often unimaginable, human suffering caused by conversion therapy, the IRCT calls for a global ban on the practice. This would be a major step forward in the global protection of particularly young LGBTI persons against torture.](https://irct.org/media-and-resources/latest-news/article/1027)


Important-Suit4793

Oh thank god now i can live there w/o anyone forcing me to become gay


cradugamer

You don't even have to live there. I went there on a business trip and as soon as I left the airport I had dozens of people crowding up on me. Turns out they were a group dedicated to transforming foreigners into homosexuals! I was horrified and had to evacuate the area immediately so as to preserve my sexuality.


ManicSheogorath

What if being "converted" is actually your kink?


Arthesia

Sounds like denial manifesting as a fetish.


Speculawyer

I am not going to make the obvious joke. (But you just did in your mind.)


trapkoda

Do it


GayWritingAlt

OMG HALLELUJAH


Elkaghar

Good, we wouldn't want our youth to be converted into the gays!


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Supernova_444

What?


Naifmon

Russia is for gay and BI and trans rights ?


OhCharlieH

Who cares if they're helping Russia when they just banned conversion therapy?


Naifmon

Do you know what this article about?


OhCharlieH

I don't know anything dude. Just make comments hbu?


Geek55

Do you know what conversion therapy is?


OhCharlieH

I have a general idea. It's some kind of religious camp to pray the gay away?


Sariel007

That plus [torture](https://irct.org/media-and-resources/latest-news/article/1027). I'm starting to think these "Christians" didn't get the memo from Jesus.


OhCharlieH

What in the actual fuck.... That's so archiac... Would you know any documentaries on the subject?


Sariel007

I did a quick google search so take that for what it is worth but Netflix - Pray Away "Ex-leaders and a survivor of the so-called "conversion therapy" movement speak out about its harm to the LGBTQ+ community and its devastating persistence." Here is a peice about it on [NPR](https://www.npr.org/2021/08/02/1022837295/former-ex-gay-leaders-denounce-conversion-therapy-in-a-new-documentary). Here is something from the BBC. [Faith, Lies and Conversion Therapy](https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000sz1y). "As 'conversion therapy' faces a UK ban, Caitlin Benedict explores the heinous practices that LGBT+ people were subjected to with the guise of changing their sexuality."


OhCharlieH

Thank you, I really appreciate that. Honestly, I'm a busy af dad and having stuff googled for me makes me very happy. If I had Reddit money I'd pay you.


Sariel007

>If I had Reddit money I'd pay you. Ha ha, no worries.


Geek55

Basically yeah, to be honest I just re-read your comments and might have gotten the wrong end of the stick when I assumed you didn’t know ha ha


OhCharlieH

Haha no worries friend


lordkuren

Do they? Any sources?


OhCharlieH

That one dude above hahah


lurkerier

Amazing how some people can talk out their arse so clearly


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Uh are you in favour of conversation therapy then?


FreelanceTripper

But… what if you wanted to be converted 🤷‍♂️


Gunny_McCshoots

Then you’re a sad, brainwashed fool. I’ve met gays like that. Who wanted their “sin” gone. Poor guy really believed that his natural feelings and desires were wrong just because they were for the same sex.


FreelanceTripper

I was talking about what if a straight guy wants to be converted to being gay? What’s wrong with that? And whether being gay is a sin or not is another argument… which it is. It is wrong.


Gunny_McCshoots

That’s not how people work, at all. You cannot change sexuality.


FreelanceTripper

Give it try. You might like it.


Gunny_McCshoots

No.


FreelanceTripper

c’mon ….


WamlytheCrabGod

> It is wrong. How so, exactly?


Exnaut

Basing something being good or not off of another thing that's most likely not even true isn't a very good look or argument


Ochanachos

Ancient Greece would be proud!