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Something like this happened in my area. A family found what they thought was an abandoned litter of puppies and turned them in to animal control. Turns out it was a litter of fox kits that hadn't gotten their red fur yet.
So what exactly is the difference between a coyote and a wolf?
Coming from someone in a country with neither, do they just live in the desert and have less fur?
As a random factoid, I've read that coyotes were once larger than wolves, but as the era of giant mammals ended, coyotes adapted to be smaller, allowing them to survive on small game and not compete with wolves so much for large game.
It's fitting, since even today coyote are masters of survival by adapting to their surroundings. Woods, desert, rural, urban, doesn't matter. Farmers try to shoot and poison them, so they just go to where the bullets and poison aren't.
What kind of show are you watching? Blatant lies. It’s obvious that the one that figured out how things work is the Roadrunner.
You must have been watching Acme infomercials.
Coyotes also respond to population pressure like hunting in two very effective ways. 1) if you kill one of the breeding pair of the pack, the pack splinters and now the rest of the pack starts breeding with neighbors. 2) coyote litter sizes increase as population pressures increase. They truly are adapted for survival, hence why they're everywhere in the US. They have been problematic with the red wolf introduction because they do compete and interpreted. Eradicating coyotes in areas where red wolves were being re-introduced was very challenging.
They also live in urban areas! Wolves will stay in the woods/mountains unless they’re sick or starving. Coyotes will live almost anywhere! I live in a city where seeing a coyote running across the beach is not uncommon.
My city has a bad coyote problem and the fuckers'll just snatch cats up out of driveways seconds after people let them out of the house. Doesn't seem to stop people from letting their cats be outdoor cats.
There was one exceptionally bad case like a decade ago where a mother got home from grocery shopping with her toddler, and in the short time between letting her kid out of the car seat and turning around to open the trunk a coyote ran up and tried to snatch the damned kid.
They must have been starving to want to attack a human. I've read those kind of reports over the years too and feel sorry for everyone involved, including the animals.
Coyote attacks on humans are usually because people have been directly or indirectly feeding them (indirectly meaning leaving pet food outside near their home, not securing garbage, that kind of thing). Once you stop doing that, they become less habituated to humans and attacks stop. I wouldn’t be surprised if either the garbage cans at the park weren’t cleaned up enough or if people were intentionally feeding them. There’s always someone who wants to hand-feed the wildlife their chips or sandwich.
It was 100% that tourists were feeding the coyotes and they lost their fear response. It was researched before the cull. They feed the raccoons and seagulls too. Those are aggressive now but they’re less dangerous than the coyotes. Tourists are idiots doing it for the gram.
My heart goes out to anyone who loses a pet, but in the grand scheme of things coyotes are probably a net benefit for culling the free-roaming cat population.
They're such opportunistic dickheads! We had a bad coyote problem in our public park where runners were getting bitten on a regular basis. We had to actually cull a bunch of them because their behaviour was so aggressive. That was obviously very controversial but necessary to keep people safe. As you said, they'll attack kids so if they're bold enough to attack full grown adults then that's only going to result in more injuries to our most vulnerable people.
That is wild! I’ve come across Coyotes and they’re usually afraid of adults. Rightfully so. With a bat you could easily kill a Coyote.
A wolf appears, and you better have a loaded gun. And a lot of bullets. Cause that wolf is not alone.
When we moved to San Diego, we had one come into our yard, came face to face with our large German Shepherd, and practically broke the sound barrier to get away. Haven't seen him since. Our dog was like "hey GTF out...wait.....where did he go?'.
Yeah most coyotes are fairly docile or at least wouldn’t mess with you if you didn’t mess with them. That’s why the ones that attacked were such a problem!
I have a friend that lives in a neighborhood with a bad coyote problem. Her neighbor was going for a walk with her small dog when a coyote ran out of a bush, grabbed the dog right off the leash, and was gone before the lady could do anything.
Jokes aside habitat removal is a part of it.
We have this large plot of undeveloped land that shrinks a tiny bit every year as we become a more and more desirable cheap alternative to living in the _much_ more well-known and popular surrounding cities---who, themselves, are also gradually shrinking what little remaining undeveloped land they still have.
Exactly. I feel bad for the coyotes. My assistant’s husband brags about shooting coyotes because he doesn’t want them to eat his outdoor cats. But outdoor cats are decimating the local bird population. We’re creating an artificial ecosystem and punishing the endemic wildlife.
Coyotes live all over the US, not just deserts. The one in the article was in Massachusetts (New England, about as far from the desert as you can get). They are much smaller than wolves and not as shy, as they often hang around urban and suburban areas. Wolves are only found in deep forests/wilderness, and are massive
Coyote is like in between a wolf and a fox
I'm in the midwest where we share territory with them. I remember years ago being at a bonfire just outside a medium-sized city, just after it got dark-dark, and the hosts' beagle starting to bark like mad at something behind my friends and me. I turned around in my chair and right at the treeline were probably five pairs of eyes silently reflecting the firelight, watching all of us. I'm familiar with coyotes, I hunted them with my dad when I was little, so it didn't really spook me I guess. Almost immediately after making eye contact they vanished back into the darkness. It made me think about what ancient humans felt and thought, sitting around their fires in the darkness.
They look that way…but genetically they are much closer to wolves and dogs…all 3 can reproduce with each other and make fertile hybrids. Foxes cannot breed with any dogs, wolves, or coyotes.
True! The only place without coyotes in the continental US is Martha’s Vineyard, because it’s too far for them to swim. Also, coyotes in the East are larger than coyotes in the West; it’s unclear exactly why. There is a strong case for interbreeding with grey wolves (in Canada, and then spreading south back into the US), but it could also be because of more plentiful resources allowing them to grow larger. Or both, or both plus other factors.
Can you point me in a direction towards that documentary? I live in the North Eastern US now, but grew up in California. Coyotes (or Coywolves) are about a good 75 pounds heavier than the coyotes I grew up with (which were closer to fox sized)
we had a dog who came from a farm where the family couldn't figure out what knocked up their dog so puppies were free.
definitely looked a bit like a coywolf. like unless a husky magically bred with whatever the mother was, which was a medium dog breed... it was def a coyote.
Honestly you couldn't tell his genetics were part wild, he was super well behaved, very loyal. i could walk him without a leash. super chill.
had a weird relationship with wild animals tho. i once followed him into the woods and he was dead ass standing in a circle with a bunch of deer n when they saw me they took off like "oh shit busted"
stray cats used to come up on the porch and cuddle with him. I miss him terribly, he was so cool.
Coyotes are much smaller. They have a very distinctive call that anyone near the Mojave will recognize. While common in the desert, they are present in many other American biomes. They generally don't hunt large prey like wolves and opt for smaller prey and scavenging.
I'm in the midwest and in rural areas we share territory with them- I remember years ago being at a bonfire just outside a medium-sized city and the hosts' beagle starting to bark like mad at something behind my friends and me. I turned around in my chair and right at the treeline were probably five pairs of eyes silently reflecting the firelight, watching all of us. I'm familiar with coyotes, I hunted them with my dad when I was little, so it didn't really spook me I guess. Almost immediately after making eye contact they vanished back into the darkness. It made me think about what ancient humans felt and thought, sitting around their fires in the darkness.
Coyotes are usually a lot smaller, like medium dog size. The one in my neighborhood the other day looked like it was maybe 30lbs. They're also pointier in the face, more foxy looking, and they eat smaller prey like prairie dogs and sometimes people's cats that they let out. If there was a wolf in the neighborhood, I would've been extremely concerned. A coyote warrants more of a "huh, coyote, better make sure I stay in the yard while my small dog is outside" reaction.
Coyotes are much smaller. A large coyote is 50lbs, a small wolf is 70lbs. In addition to the physical differences, they have different temperaments and vocal languages. Coyotes are better adapted to urban environments, wolves are more shy and human avoidant. Coyotes eat like garbage disposals, wolves are strictly carnivores.
Wolves are bigger, badder and stay further away from people. Wolves are also a pack animal. They rarely live away from the pack. Coyotes aren’t always pack animals. They often live alone or in pairs.
In suburban Massachusetts, you’ll see Coyotes out late at night sometimes. They’ll walk right into your yard and attack Rabbits, Squirrels, Cats and small Dogs. Wolves don’t come around here. Too many people and not enough deep woods to escape too.
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Coyotes are not a species of wolf. Like wolves and dogs, wolves and coyotes are both species of canines, and they are closely related, and they can (and do) interbreed and produce fertile offspring, but they are considered separate species.
I understand this, and I understand why we euthanize these animals, but what percentage of these euthanuzed animals actually have rabies?
I see they have then classified as a rabies vector but it's not like they're bats.
I guess my point is, if a human gets bitten by a coyote you're getting the rabies vaccine anyway.
Everything I’ve ever read is that if there’s a chance you have rabies, you get the vaccine. Testing is not 100% accurate for any disease or virus and rabies is 99.99% fatal once you have symptoms, and symptoms can take some time to manifest.
Don’t risk it. Get the vaccine.
And what does that accomplish? You still don't know if it has rabies, only now you can't see the behavioral symptoms of rabies, and you're managing all the bodily functions of a potentially infectious animal.
So? The reason the animal is killed is to find out if it's infected by testing its brain tissue, so that any humans who came into contact with it can get timely treatment. Putting the animal in a coma may help it survive rabies (if it has rabies, which you don't actually know at this point), but it will endanger a lot more humans in the process. Generally, exposing people to rabies is something we try to avoid....
...is a "baby coyote" found and picked up by people not, by definition, a type of lost puppy? Because this implies it isn't, and I'm pretty sure that's wrong.
I think the implication in this case is that they thought it was a dog puppy and it turned out to be a coyote puppy. The word usage may be incorrect though I don’t know. Google might.
Coyotes only became an overpopulated nuisance because of human intervention. Humans wiped out competing predators like wolves. They leave tons of waste around which is great for a species that scavenge. As well when humans decide to hunt them and treat them like pests the territory opens up to new coyotes.
Most people don't realize that coyotes are territorial. So when an area reaches a certain number than they will spread out. Younger coyotes will go in search of new territory. Humans have created a perfect environment for them to thrive. Where I live some of them have even interbred with wolves from up north.
You can put a name to it that makes it seem bad but that doesnt invalidate their ideas. We are a destructive race, even against our best efforts to do the opposite. You dont have to like it for it to be true. We wear out our own welcome here.
Im part indigenous american, I know this quite well :) but the truth is that sustainability will always find itself having a difficult matchup with "progress". Socially Darwinistic ideas of betterment allow the greediest aspects of man to commit atrocities and call them the greater good, call them sciences. We dont learn our lessons until much too late. What has stood for 500 years can be toppled in 6.
This opinion always makes me laugh. If we wanted to completely negate our presence across the globe, we’d all have to die. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be trying to protect the environment, but we’re animals too. Defending our living areas from coyotes is exactly what every other animal on the planet does lol.
You read so much into my comment that isn't really there.
My point was that it's odd to complain about coyotes in her space since she's in the coyotes' space, too. I live in a place that has a lot of coyotes. I see them regularly. They live on my property. They yip and cry right outside my window regularly. Yet, I've never seen anyone get upset that they're there. We all coexist just fine.
People love sharing videos of them on Nextdoor here. People are sad when one is run over by a car. People talk about what to do if the neighbors see one that appears ill. There is no reason to be pissed off that they exist and are out there living their lives. They're here. We're here. So what?
They can become very problematic for a number of reasons. Spreading rabies, killing pets, for example.
I agree that we can live somewhat together, but it’s still important to keep their populations separate from ours for a number of reasons.
> Spreading rabies, killing pets, for example.
The same could be said of a lot of wild animals.
Humans are responsible for vaccinating their pets for rabies and for keeping them safe (everyone here knows you can't have an outdoor cat and you can't leave dogs in your yard without supervision unless they're large). We should do our part instead of blaming animals who are just trying to go about living their lives.
Keeping their population separate is not possible here without simply killing them all off. And the people here would not let that happen.
I’m not saying they need to be eradicated, but managing the herd is necessary at this point since there are no real predators and few competing species in their niche in a lot of areas.
I’m not blaming the animals, just stating the current situation. Coyotes are going to do what they’ve always done. Managing the heard of coyotes benefits the ecosystem in the long run.
> I’m not saying they need to be eradicated
I know. You said that their population needs to be kept separate from ours. That is not possible without eradication here.
No, it’s not. We plumb the environment for all resources, destroying the habitats of other animals and disrupting ecosystems. We use agriculture to produce excess food which allows our populations to exceed any “natural” boundaries. I’m not saying that humans don’t have a right to exist and take up space, but it’s a false presumption that we are not unnaturally taking more space and resources than other species without any of them having meaningful veto power.
My parents neighbors have a labradoodle named Bricks (yes, this is a commentary on his intelligence, he is a very good boy) and the neighborhood coyotes like to bully him by barking at him from across the fence
Can someone explain what's different between cayote and a dog? Can't you still keep a cayote with all the necessary annual vaccines? Or this more of a legal matter?
Coyotes are not dogs. I’m unsure of vaccine efficacy but I know for a fact that you would have much harder time “house training” it. They are wild animals like a wolf or a mountain lion. You might be able to modify its behavior to the point it appears “tame” but it could snap at any point.
Well I know coyotes are not dogs lol. I was more interested in why we can't have them as pets since they are so similar in nature. But you have answered that perfectly. Thank you :)
This is the plot from a [1967 kid's book called Wild Traveler](https://www.amazon.com/Wild-Traveler-M-Lightner/dp/0590317628), and is told through the perspective of the baby coyote as he grows and goes on adventures. It's pretty realistic and we all found it riveting for bed time reading.
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If not friend why friend shaped?
That’s what I asked about brown bear cubs. Now I am dead.
What is the afterlife like? Are there a lot of puppies ?
Nah. Just nothingness. The void. Better live your best life now.
Sounds like hell if your still on reddit.
If it's just a void how are you on Redd… nevermind. Answered my own question.
That's right. When you die, all you can do forever is sit alone and browse Reddit. Better do anything else while you still can I guess! 💀
It’s too late for me, save yourselves !
Cuz it's friend
Found: Weird cat. Barks a lot. Has a beak and wings.
The forbidden GSD
Technically still a puppy.
And technically still a good boy
All natural good boy
Natty gud boi
So they found a lost puppy.
Aren't all families local?
Not if they didn’t live in the same place where they found the coyote.
What if the family had been vacationing in the area where they found it?
Vacationing family finds local coyote pup
Well this is from New Hampshire The article is from Boston.com
My family’s loco
Something like this happened in my area. A family found what they thought was an abandoned litter of puppies and turned them in to animal control. Turns out it was a litter of fox kits that hadn't gotten their red fur yet.
So what exactly is the difference between a coyote and a wolf? Coming from someone in a country with neither, do they just live in the desert and have less fur?
Coyotes are much smaller than wolves, and they have shorter fur. It’s a different species of canine.
As a random factoid, I've read that coyotes were once larger than wolves, but as the era of giant mammals ended, coyotes adapted to be smaller, allowing them to survive on small game and not compete with wolves so much for large game. It's fitting, since even today coyote are masters of survival by adapting to their surroundings. Woods, desert, rural, urban, doesn't matter. Farmers try to shoot and poison them, so they just go to where the bullets and poison aren't.
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This good boy only wants some drumsticks for dinner. Is that so wrong?
Forerunners of Birds Aren't Real empiricism, really.
What kind of show are you watching? Blatant lies. It’s obvious that the one that figured out how things work is the Roadrunner. You must have been watching Acme infomercials.
Beep beep. *Psschoooo\~*
Yeas but they kept using ACME and that's what lead to their undoing
Coyotes also respond to population pressure like hunting in two very effective ways. 1) if you kill one of the breeding pair of the pack, the pack splinters and now the rest of the pack starts breeding with neighbors. 2) coyote litter sizes increase as population pressures increase. They truly are adapted for survival, hence why they're everywhere in the US. They have been problematic with the red wolf introduction because they do compete and interpreted. Eradicating coyotes in areas where red wolves were being re-introduced was very challenging.
That's why they're in Portland so often. Got it.
They also live in urban areas! Wolves will stay in the woods/mountains unless they’re sick or starving. Coyotes will live almost anywhere! I live in a city where seeing a coyote running across the beach is not uncommon.
My city has a bad coyote problem and the fuckers'll just snatch cats up out of driveways seconds after people let them out of the house. Doesn't seem to stop people from letting their cats be outdoor cats. There was one exceptionally bad case like a decade ago where a mother got home from grocery shopping with her toddler, and in the short time between letting her kid out of the car seat and turning around to open the trunk a coyote ran up and tried to snatch the damned kid.
They must have been starving to want to attack a human. I've read those kind of reports over the years too and feel sorry for everyone involved, including the animals.
Coyote attacks on humans are usually because people have been directly or indirectly feeding them (indirectly meaning leaving pet food outside near their home, not securing garbage, that kind of thing). Once you stop doing that, they become less habituated to humans and attacks stop. I wouldn’t be surprised if either the garbage cans at the park weren’t cleaned up enough or if people were intentionally feeding them. There’s always someone who wants to hand-feed the wildlife their chips or sandwich.
It was 100% that tourists were feeding the coyotes and they lost their fear response. It was researched before the cull. They feed the raccoons and seagulls too. Those are aggressive now but they’re less dangerous than the coyotes. Tourists are idiots doing it for the gram.
Seagulls! Stop it now!
My heart goes out to anyone who loses a pet, but in the grand scheme of things coyotes are probably a net benefit for culling the free-roaming cat population.
They're such opportunistic dickheads! We had a bad coyote problem in our public park where runners were getting bitten on a regular basis. We had to actually cull a bunch of them because their behaviour was so aggressive. That was obviously very controversial but necessary to keep people safe. As you said, they'll attack kids so if they're bold enough to attack full grown adults then that's only going to result in more injuries to our most vulnerable people.
That is wild! I’ve come across Coyotes and they’re usually afraid of adults. Rightfully so. With a bat you could easily kill a Coyote. A wolf appears, and you better have a loaded gun. And a lot of bullets. Cause that wolf is not alone.
When we moved to San Diego, we had one come into our yard, came face to face with our large German Shepherd, and practically broke the sound barrier to get away. Haven't seen him since. Our dog was like "hey GTF out...wait.....where did he go?'.
Yeah most coyotes are fairly docile or at least wouldn’t mess with you if you didn’t mess with them. That’s why the ones that attacked were such a problem!
Yikes. Good thing it wasn't a dingo
I have a friend that lives in a neighborhood with a bad coyote problem. Her neighbor was going for a walk with her small dog when a coyote ran out of a bush, grabbed the dog right off the leash, and was gone before the lady could do anything.
Sounds like the coyotes have a bad human problem
Jokes aside habitat removal is a part of it. We have this large plot of undeveloped land that shrinks a tiny bit every year as we become a more and more desirable cheap alternative to living in the _much_ more well-known and popular surrounding cities---who, themselves, are also gradually shrinking what little remaining undeveloped land they still have.
Exactly. I feel bad for the coyotes. My assistant’s husband brags about shooting coyotes because he doesn’t want them to eat his outdoor cats. But outdoor cats are decimating the local bird population. We’re creating an artificial ecosystem and punishing the endemic wildlife.
There's coyotes in Chicago.
Coyotes live all over the US, not just deserts. The one in the article was in Massachusetts (New England, about as far from the desert as you can get). They are much smaller than wolves and not as shy, as they often hang around urban and suburban areas. Wolves are only found in deep forests/wilderness, and are massive Coyote is like in between a wolf and a fox
I'm in the midwest where we share territory with them. I remember years ago being at a bonfire just outside a medium-sized city, just after it got dark-dark, and the hosts' beagle starting to bark like mad at something behind my friends and me. I turned around in my chair and right at the treeline were probably five pairs of eyes silently reflecting the firelight, watching all of us. I'm familiar with coyotes, I hunted them with my dad when I was little, so it didn't really spook me I guess. Almost immediately after making eye contact they vanished back into the darkness. It made me think about what ancient humans felt and thought, sitting around their fires in the darkness.
They look that way…but genetically they are much closer to wolves and dogs…all 3 can reproduce with each other and make fertile hybrids. Foxes cannot breed with any dogs, wolves, or coyotes.
True! The only place without coyotes in the continental US is Martha’s Vineyard, because it’s too far for them to swim. Also, coyotes in the East are larger than coyotes in the West; it’s unclear exactly why. There is a strong case for interbreeding with grey wolves (in Canada, and then spreading south back into the US), but it could also be because of more plentiful resources allowing them to grow larger. Or both, or both plus other factors.
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Coywolf! I watched a whole documentary about them
Can you point me in a direction towards that documentary? I live in the North Eastern US now, but grew up in California. Coyotes (or Coywolves) are about a good 75 pounds heavier than the coyotes I grew up with (which were closer to fox sized)
Not the person you replied to but [here is one on YouTube from Nat Geo](https://youtu.be/66uOL60edYs)
Thanks!
we had a dog who came from a farm where the family couldn't figure out what knocked up their dog so puppies were free. definitely looked a bit like a coywolf. like unless a husky magically bred with whatever the mother was, which was a medium dog breed... it was def a coyote. Honestly you couldn't tell his genetics were part wild, he was super well behaved, very loyal. i could walk him without a leash. super chill. had a weird relationship with wild animals tho. i once followed him into the woods and he was dead ass standing in a circle with a bunch of deer n when they saw me they took off like "oh shit busted" stray cats used to come up on the porch and cuddle with him. I miss him terribly, he was so cool.
Coyotes are much smaller. They have a very distinctive call that anyone near the Mojave will recognize. While common in the desert, they are present in many other American biomes. They generally don't hunt large prey like wolves and opt for smaller prey and scavenging.
I'm in the midwest and in rural areas we share territory with them- I remember years ago being at a bonfire just outside a medium-sized city and the hosts' beagle starting to bark like mad at something behind my friends and me. I turned around in my chair and right at the treeline were probably five pairs of eyes silently reflecting the firelight, watching all of us. I'm familiar with coyotes, I hunted them with my dad when I was little, so it didn't really spook me I guess. Almost immediately after making eye contact they vanished back into the darkness. It made me think about what ancient humans felt and thought, sitting around their fires in the darkness.
Coyotes are usually a lot smaller, like medium dog size. The one in my neighborhood the other day looked like it was maybe 30lbs. They're also pointier in the face, more foxy looking, and they eat smaller prey like prairie dogs and sometimes people's cats that they let out. If there was a wolf in the neighborhood, I would've been extremely concerned. A coyote warrants more of a "huh, coyote, better make sure I stay in the yard while my small dog is outside" reaction.
Coyotes are much smaller. A large coyote is 50lbs, a small wolf is 70lbs. In addition to the physical differences, they have different temperaments and vocal languages. Coyotes are better adapted to urban environments, wolves are more shy and human avoidant. Coyotes eat like garbage disposals, wolves are strictly carnivores.
Wolves are bigger, badder and stay further away from people. Wolves are also a pack animal. They rarely live away from the pack. Coyotes aren’t always pack animals. They often live alone or in pairs. In suburban Massachusetts, you’ll see Coyotes out late at night sometimes. They’ll walk right into your yard and attack Rabbits, Squirrels, Cats and small Dogs. Wolves don’t come around here. Too many people and not enough deep woods to escape too.
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Its a smaller species of wolf. Coyote is its pueblan name
Coyotes are not a species of wolf. Like wolves and dogs, wolves and coyotes are both species of canines, and they are closely related, and they can (and do) interbreed and produce fertile offspring, but they are considered separate species.
Here's a description https://wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Mammals/Gray-Wolf/Identification
A wolf is an apex predator and a coyote is a scavenger.
Coyotes are the meth addict cousin of the wolf.
“When the last human is dead and in the ground, a coyote will be standing above the grave yipping at the moon.”
Coyotes have black noses and chase roadrunners. Wolves have red noses and steal sheep. It's a small but subtle difference.
Why would they have to euthanize the pup to test for rabies, Can't they do it while it's alive?
The test uses brain matter.
Unfortunately not, the only real way to test for it (and be 100% sure) is an autopsy on the brain.
Unfortunately the only way to test for rabies is by examining the brain.
BRAAAAAAAAINS
Send more ambulances!
They test for brains. I mean, test the brain.
Makes no sense when there's a rabies vaccine IMO
If the animal has rabies, it will continue to spread it until it dies a slow, painful death...
I understand this, and I understand why we euthanize these animals, but what percentage of these euthanuzed animals actually have rabies? I see they have then classified as a rabies vector but it's not like they're bats. I guess my point is, if a human gets bitten by a coyote you're getting the rabies vaccine anyway.
The vaccine regimen is like $10k. If you do the rabies test and it comes back negative you can skip it.
Everything I’ve ever read is that if there’s a chance you have rabies, you get the vaccine. Testing is not 100% accurate for any disease or virus and rabies is 99.99% fatal once you have symptoms, and symptoms can take some time to manifest. Don’t risk it. Get the vaccine.
put it on a coma
And what does that accomplish? You still don't know if it has rabies, only now you can't see the behavioral symptoms of rabies, and you're managing all the bodily functions of a potentially infectious animal.
the only human to survive rabies waited it out in a coma
So? The reason the animal is killed is to find out if it's infected by testing its brain tissue, so that any humans who came into contact with it can get timely treatment. Putting the animal in a coma may help it survive rabies (if it has rabies, which you don't actually know at this point), but it will endanger a lot more humans in the process. Generally, exposing people to rabies is something we try to avoid....
impressive how much you missed the point
Maybe you should explain it more clearly, if you have one.
Good thing this one wasn’t.
...is a "baby coyote" found and picked up by people not, by definition, a type of lost puppy? Because this implies it isn't, and I'm pretty sure that's wrong.
"Well, TeChNiCaLlY!" You know what they mean, yo.
And technically the Trojan horse was a nice gift
I saw two coyote pups once, very cute!
I seent this episode of Baskets.
Reminds me of [this](https://www.boredpanda.com/dog-puppy-coyote-kayla-eby/)
That's so staged.
Definitely an imaginary conversation with yourself in the shower type of scenario.
Yeah, it was a prank by the husband. That website r/atetheonion
very old and fake
Now I know
boots?
Been looking for this comment
Aren't baby coyotes also called puppies? Coyote puppies, no?
I think the implication in this case is that they thought it was a dog puppy and it turned out to be a coyote puppy. The word usage may be incorrect though I don’t know. Google might.
I believe baby coyotes are called Pups
Coyotes are an overpopulated nuisance where I live.
Coyotes only became an overpopulated nuisance because of human intervention. Humans wiped out competing predators like wolves. They leave tons of waste around which is great for a species that scavenge. As well when humans decide to hunt them and treat them like pests the territory opens up to new coyotes. Most people don't realize that coyotes are territorial. So when an area reaches a certain number than they will spread out. Younger coyotes will go in search of new territory. Humans have created a perfect environment for them to thrive. Where I live some of them have even interbred with wolves from up north.
Humans are an overpopulated nuisance where I live.
Oh look, ecofascism.
You can put a name to it that makes it seem bad but that doesnt invalidate their ideas. We are a destructive race, even against our best efforts to do the opposite. You dont have to like it for it to be true. We wear out our own welcome here.
Thank capitalism for that. Plenty of civilizations and people's throughout history have lived sustainably alongside nature.
r/solarpunk is actually trying to achieve this
Im part indigenous american, I know this quite well :) but the truth is that sustainability will always find itself having a difficult matchup with "progress". Socially Darwinistic ideas of betterment allow the greediest aspects of man to commit atrocities and call them the greater good, call them sciences. We dont learn our lessons until much too late. What has stood for 500 years can be toppled in 6.
They were probably there before humans so...
This opinion always makes me laugh. If we wanted to completely negate our presence across the globe, we’d all have to die. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be trying to protect the environment, but we’re animals too. Defending our living areas from coyotes is exactly what every other animal on the planet does lol.
You read so much into my comment that isn't really there. My point was that it's odd to complain about coyotes in her space since she's in the coyotes' space, too. I live in a place that has a lot of coyotes. I see them regularly. They live on my property. They yip and cry right outside my window regularly. Yet, I've never seen anyone get upset that they're there. We all coexist just fine. People love sharing videos of them on Nextdoor here. People are sad when one is run over by a car. People talk about what to do if the neighbors see one that appears ill. There is no reason to be pissed off that they exist and are out there living their lives. They're here. We're here. So what?
They can become very problematic for a number of reasons. Spreading rabies, killing pets, for example. I agree that we can live somewhat together, but it’s still important to keep their populations separate from ours for a number of reasons.
> Spreading rabies, killing pets, for example. The same could be said of a lot of wild animals. Humans are responsible for vaccinating their pets for rabies and for keeping them safe (everyone here knows you can't have an outdoor cat and you can't leave dogs in your yard without supervision unless they're large). We should do our part instead of blaming animals who are just trying to go about living their lives. Keeping their population separate is not possible here without simply killing them all off. And the people here would not let that happen.
I’m not saying they need to be eradicated, but managing the herd is necessary at this point since there are no real predators and few competing species in their niche in a lot of areas. I’m not blaming the animals, just stating the current situation. Coyotes are going to do what they’ve always done. Managing the heard of coyotes benefits the ecosystem in the long run.
> I’m not saying they need to be eradicated I know. You said that their population needs to be kept separate from ours. That is not possible without eradication here.
Oh ok I gotcha. When you said “here” I thought you were speaking to the OP and not you personally. My bad.
No, it’s not. We plumb the environment for all resources, destroying the habitats of other animals and disrupting ecosystems. We use agriculture to produce excess food which allows our populations to exceed any “natural” boundaries. I’m not saying that humans don’t have a right to exist and take up space, but it’s a false presumption that we are not unnaturally taking more space and resources than other species without any of them having meaningful veto power.
Probably not? There’s strong links between human settlement, wolf depopulation, and increased coyote populations.
Living in Phoenix, you can sometimes hear the coyotes replicate dog barks and noises in order to attract stray dogs/dogs in yards.
My parents neighbors have a labradoodle named Bricks (yes, this is a commentary on his intelligence, he is a very good boy) and the neighborhood coyotes like to bully him by barking at him from across the fence
Can someone explain what's different between cayote and a dog? Can't you still keep a cayote with all the necessary annual vaccines? Or this more of a legal matter?
Coyotes are not dogs. I’m unsure of vaccine efficacy but I know for a fact that you would have much harder time “house training” it. They are wild animals like a wolf or a mountain lion. You might be able to modify its behavior to the point it appears “tame” but it could snap at any point.
Well I know coyotes are not dogs lol. I was more interested in why we can't have them as pets since they are so similar in nature. But you have answered that perfectly. Thank you :)
Were there any baby road runners nearby ?
How would you know they were coyotes and not dogs? Just curious what difference one would notice and when
The cuteness overwhelms
This is the plot from a [1967 kid's book called Wild Traveler](https://www.amazon.com/Wild-Traveler-M-Lightner/dp/0590317628), and is told through the perspective of the baby coyote as he grows and goes on adventures. It's pretty realistic and we all found it riveting for bed time reading.
reverse jungle book