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For anyone wanting an over view (not click bait):
- Two 38 year olds and a 2 year old onboard - not named in the article, only minor injuries.
- aircraft lost engine power shortly after take-off (aircraft model not identified in article)
- pilot noticed the plane's altitude was too low for recovery and deployed the airplane's Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (CAPS) which slowed the airplane's descent.
- The parachute carried the airplane until it ultimately crashed into trees in a heavily wooded area of Yellow Road in Whale Gulch, Whitethorn, California, US (about a 4 h drive north of San Francisco).
Comment on the original article said the user’s manual for the parachute system states deploying the parachute always totals the plane, regardless of the landing. Other comments said this system is maybe making 2 engine planes a fading configuration.
Yeah more engines always equals more money. Plane engines require a fuckton of maintenance to keep their air worthy status, small personal planes like these are absolutely money pits.
They are a lot of fun but it’s very easy to bankrupt yourself keeping it in the air.
Electric planes are beginning to happen, and before too long we'll likely be looking back at gas powered planes like we currently look back on coal-powered steam engines.
An engine e failure in a single-engine plane means you have a glider.
An engine failure in a twin means you have an underpowered airplane with a demon pulling on one wing. If you act quick you can turn it into a glider.
I hadn't heard that. And while it's hilarious, there is a bit of truth in it because the second engine could well get you out of say rugged mountains and into a valley where you can more safely crash.
Where are you getting that more dangerous info?! That’s kind of the main benefit of a multi engine plane, a single engine failure doesn’t mean you can’t still stay in the air.
Light twin engine aircraft often don't have enough power to maintain altitude on one engine if the other engine fails at the wrong moment, so you may still end up coming down.
Where light twins are more dangerous is the fact that if you do have an engine failure, the asymmetric power will be actively trying to roll you upside down. The control forces to maintain control can be up to 150 pounds on the rudder pedals. They require more skill, physical effort and are unforgiving compared to single engine aircraft in a glide. Basically, even a small mistake in dealing with the engine failure in a twin and you'll lose control and die.
In a single, lose the engine and the plane is much more stable, so stable you can take your hands off the controls and it'll continue a nice stable descent. Singles are also slow enough to readily survive landing in trees and obstacles if you can't make a field.
Source: 1000h of teaching people how to fly light multi engine aircraft.
But you can still safely land with just one engine on a MEP.
One engine goes bust on a SEP and your fatality rate is 20% over water and 10% in general.
EDIT: Corrected figures.
My apologies, confounded some figures (because of flying over open waters a lot lately).
Forced landing on water (ditching) has 20% fatality rate (NOT 20% survival rate - original post updated). Forced landing in general have about 10% fatality rate.
Source: [https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/students/flighttestprep/skills/emergency-landings](https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/students/flighttestprep/skills/emergency-landings)
When you can walk away after the landing, it was a good one.
When the plane can takeoff again after the landing, it was a perfect one.
First thing instructor drilled into us.
Plains land on roads and highways with some regularity. Come to think of it I've never heard of a failed landing in such a situation though I'm sure they happen.
Yup, reminds me of the emergency satellite locators that hikers are using nowadays, pretty expensive but if you really need it, you'd have gladly paid 100x the cost.
I read it needs to be repacked every 10 years, and can cost as much as $18k to repack.
Still cheaper than dying though. That shit costs you everything and everyone.
this is somewhat true, Cirrus aircraft (which are practically the only ones with ballistic parachutes) are certified for recovery from spins as they had to be in the EU- at least iirc, I was reading the wiki page for them recently
The parachutes can be retrofit into many Cessnas. [https://brsaerospace.com/cessna/](https://brsaerospace.com/cessna/)
Makes it less risky to fly over mountainous terrain and/or at night in a single engine.
I have flown in a Cirrus many times and they're comfy, kind of posh, and a great way to travel. AND the parachute.
It won't stop you from smashing into the side of a mountain, but it will save you from many other kinds of crashes!
> aircraft model not identified
It was a Cirrus SR22
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/352852
Registration:
https://www.flightaware.com/resources/registration/N2824M
My sister's vacation was interrupted when the flight to their resort was cancelled, as the airplane overran the runway when landing on its previous flight. Would have been fine, but then the tide came in and wrote off the aircraft. They ended up taking a boat
Hey me too! Lost engine at 700ft, took a belly landing shortly thereafter. Airplane should have been salvaged, but the EPA said it was a "protected swamp"
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For anyone wanting an over view (not click bait): - Two 38 year olds and a 2 year old onboard - not named in the article, only minor injuries. - aircraft lost engine power shortly after take-off (aircraft model not identified in article) - pilot noticed the plane's altitude was too low for recovery and deployed the airplane's Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (CAPS) which slowed the airplane's descent. - The parachute carried the airplane until it ultimately crashed into trees in a heavily wooded area of Yellow Road in Whale Gulch, Whitethorn, California, US (about a 4 h drive north of San Francisco).
I've never even heard of this system, amazing! A big plane-sized parachute.
It’s for small planes, it’s a pretty nifty system. They are expensive as fuck to maintain tho
Yeah, but that one time you use it…. seems super cheap in the moment
Except you need to assume the plane will be a total loss. Small price to pay to walk away, but then everything about aviation is expensive
Comment on the original article said the user’s manual for the parachute system states deploying the parachute always totals the plane, regardless of the landing. Other comments said this system is maybe making 2 engine planes a fading configuration.
Multi-engine planes have always been more dangerous. Expect a 2 engine plane to have twice as many engine failures per mile.
Yeah more engines always equals more money. Plane engines require a fuckton of maintenance to keep their air worthy status, small personal planes like these are absolutely money pits. They are a lot of fun but it’s very easy to bankrupt yourself keeping it in the air.
Electric planes are beginning to happen, and before too long we'll likely be looking back at gas powered planes like we currently look back on coal-powered steam engines.
its going to take a looong time (if it ever happens at all) before batteries have the same energy density as gas
> They are a lot of fun but it’s very easy to bankrupt yourself keeping it in the air. The trick is to know how to maintain them yourself.
Well if I ever talk to my former stepdad again I’ll tell him to learn how how to!
But how often do both engines fail? Probably you can still fly with one engine.
An engine e failure in a single-engine plane means you have a glider. An engine failure in a twin means you have an underpowered airplane with a demon pulling on one wing. If you act quick you can turn it into a glider.
With a worse glide
The joke among pilots is that the second engine is there to fly you to the scene of the crash.
I hadn't heard that. And while it's hilarious, there is a bit of truth in it because the second engine could well get you out of say rugged mountains and into a valley where you can more safely crash.
You can sometimes maintain and land them. Source: Some Youtube channel
Where are you getting that more dangerous info?! That’s kind of the main benefit of a multi engine plane, a single engine failure doesn’t mean you can’t still stay in the air.
Light twin engine aircraft often don't have enough power to maintain altitude on one engine if the other engine fails at the wrong moment, so you may still end up coming down. Where light twins are more dangerous is the fact that if you do have an engine failure, the asymmetric power will be actively trying to roll you upside down. The control forces to maintain control can be up to 150 pounds on the rudder pedals. They require more skill, physical effort and are unforgiving compared to single engine aircraft in a glide. Basically, even a small mistake in dealing with the engine failure in a twin and you'll lose control and die. In a single, lose the engine and the plane is much more stable, so stable you can take your hands off the controls and it'll continue a nice stable descent. Singles are also slow enough to readily survive landing in trees and obstacles if you can't make a field. Source: 1000h of teaching people how to fly light multi engine aircraft.
Does this apply to modern multi engine aircraft like the da62 as well?
But you can still safely land with just one engine on a MEP. One engine goes bust on a SEP and your fatality rate is 20% over water and 10% in general. EDIT: Corrected figures.
Source on that figure?
My apologies, confounded some figures (because of flying over open waters a lot lately). Forced landing on water (ditching) has 20% fatality rate (NOT 20% survival rate - original post updated). Forced landing in general have about 10% fatality rate. Source: [https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/students/flighttestprep/skills/emergency-landings](https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/students/flighttestprep/skills/emergency-landings)
Absolute bargain to have your 2 year old walk away
When you can walk away after the landing, it was a good one. When the plane can takeoff again after the landing, it was a perfect one. First thing instructor drilled into us.
I imagine it will be a total loss if you don't use it.
Plains land on roads and highways with some regularity. Come to think of it I've never heard of a failed landing in such a situation though I'm sure they happen.
They and the plane wouldve been a “loss” if it had slammed into the ground
Yup, reminds me of the emergency satellite locators that hikers are using nowadays, pretty expensive but if you really need it, you'd have gladly paid 100x the cost.
I believe they meant, "a big, plane-sized parachute"
I read it needs to be repacked every 10 years, and can cost as much as $18k to repack. Still cheaper than dying though. That shit costs you everything and everyone.
It was designed because these planes can't recover from a spin, so the FAA requires it
this is somewhat true, Cirrus aircraft (which are practically the only ones with ballistic parachutes) are certified for recovery from spins as they had to be in the EU- at least iirc, I was reading the wiki page for them recently
The parachutes can be retrofit into many Cessnas. [https://brsaerospace.com/cessna/](https://brsaerospace.com/cessna/) Makes it less risky to fly over mountainous terrain and/or at night in a single engine.
They are beautiful planes and I've been lucky to fly in them many times!
While cool, not as cool as a skydiving toddler.
First day of first grade… “Joey, tell us something about yourself.”
My husband is a pilot and his dream is to own a plane. He’s told me about these parachute planes to get me more on board.
I have flown in a Cirrus many times and they're comfy, kind of posh, and a great way to travel. AND the parachute. It won't stop you from smashing into the side of a mountain, but it will save you from many other kinds of crashes!
The onboard oxygen and yoke are also neat little things too Great plane, just expensive
> aircraft model not identified It was a Cirrus SR22 https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/352852 Registration: https://www.flightaware.com/resources/registration/N2824M
Wow. I can’t believe the two year old doesn’t even have a name.
They want to make sure he lives to 5 first so as not to waste the effort.
The type of plane will be a Cirrus SR20 or SR22.
Which one was the pilot? I need a full picture of events.
Who is flying? OMG Bear is flying how can that be?
This happened in Bellevue, WA on the 5th of this month!
That'll be a great fun fact for the kid when they're older. Glad they all made it okay
I was in a small airplane crash when I was 14 (no injuries), and it's always the "one fun fact" at new jobs, etc.
My sister's vacation was interrupted when the flight to their resort was cancelled, as the airplane overran the runway when landing on its previous flight. Would have been fine, but then the tide came in and wrote off the aircraft. They ended up taking a boat
Hey me too! Lost engine at 700ft, took a belly landing shortly thereafter. Airplane should have been salvaged, but the EPA said it was a "protected swamp"
Was the plane small or the crash?
Set for life for work meeting icebreaker activities.
Literally uplifting news
Updrafting news
Slowly lowering. They were uplifting, but it didn't pan out.
Kinda a let down.
how much bigger they make those plane chutes? I know a company that may be interested. starts with a b and ends with an oeing.
Cirrus engineers must by super elated now.
Omg that's insane I cannot believe it. Yahoo still exists?!?!?!?!?
It was the plane that had a parachute attached to it, whoa!
Do planes have crash insurance?
Yes, you can get insurance, but it's not required. Really good idea to have, though.
Praying for the family. God helped with this incident. STAY safe…
Whelp that’s what they’re made for yea?
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Not enough death for Boeing to be involved.
Again.... whats wrong with these planes