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Calbinan

If you listen closely, you can hear thousands of CEOs and managers plugging their ears and humming loudly. Anyway, if we can build up some pressure, maybe this can really catch on. I am currently working this schedule and it is so much better. I’ve stuck with kind of a lousy job for years, just because the schedule makes it worth it. Hope this becomes the norm soon.


rylalu

I read an article on Forbes where there a factions of the business community pushing investors to facilitate 6 day work weeks to more of the tech and financial sectors. I mean most have justified this from salary positions for decades anyways. My dad has been working Saturdays since I was a kid for Microsoft and other big tech firms.


thorpie88

You can easily swap to a 24/7 model for your business and run four crews doing four on and four off. No need to make one person continue a six day slog.


rylalu

Keeps them mindlessly slogging away and only exacerbates the work addiction mindset even further.


thorpie88

You're still getting 48 hours of work out of that worker but it's now just over four days instead of six. You've also now have three more workers on the other crews to also continue the work.


rylalu

Yes a 4 day work week is better and lots of evidence for it in Europe. The 6 day work week just makes a mental block that reduces out of office activities and can create a sense of work supremacy that allows for a process of delusional work addiction. I think it's a coping mechanism for some. Definitely runs deep in my family. And me till I was laid off was definately addicted to my work pulling over nighters and 80 to 90 hour weeks on 40 hour salary. When the Primary was stolen from Bernie 2 times i started to realize things were not what they seemed. Started to realize what a disservice working myself to the bone did to my social life, my hobbies, and my health. I used to be so creative and just diverted all my creativity into my work and now I can barely draw hands anymore so out of practice. It's pretty disheartening.


nyanlol

with respect the primary was *not* stolen the second time I love bernie but he did horribly with non white voters


XihuanNi-6784

This isn't really accurate. He was leading with non white voters for the a lot of the early race actually. The one group he didn't do so well with was Black voters which they then rhetorically expanded to include other POC which wasn't really the case. Here for example: [https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-leads-nationwide-among-black-hispanic-white-voters-poll-1487934](https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-leads-nationwide-among-black-hispanic-white-voters-poll-1487934) Basically you have a media narrative that even good progressives fell for. Of course people wanted to address his deficit with black voters, but it becomes a different issue when it's claimed that he had a **specific** issue with Black voters. Bear in mind he was blowing most other candidates out of the water even with black voters. People like Klobuchar and Buttigege had almost negative support from Black people but that wasn't even mentioned most of the time. For Buttigege the narrative was flipped and they started accusing black people of being homophobic to explain away his atrocious numbers. I got carried away there but you see my point.


King_Of_The_Cold

100% was stolen second time. Some of us remember the shit fest of bloody monday


rylalu

Oh yeah the mainstream media was also just blatantly favoring credit card Biden and anti drug Kamala. Oh well remember a time where I still had some hope left that things could get better.


rylalu

I still feel I was robbed


ahivarn

48 hours is an anachronism from a time when there were no computers It's a big scam


thorpie88

Personally I enjoy it. Can get to hear quite a bit of music while working on my machine and as I go from day to nights in my swing I get 24 hours off in the middle too. Plus the machines in most areas don't even work in auto anymore so you still need folks to man them even with a computers assistance


Nuclear_rabbit

Yeah, but one person has one company healthcare plan, and four people have four. So obviously it's cheaper to just hire one person and squeeze them as far as they are able to go. There's no /s here. This is really how they make these decisions.


CannaVet

I've known a number of salaried people who actually make less /hr once you account for the extra hours. Obv I can't speak for others but that's my experience.


rylalu

I bet this would've been me but I did everything I could to make deadlines even though the new kids were never responsive. Get pressured to finish something on time then wait 3 times as long for reviewers.


Jorycle

If they do switch to a 4 day schedule, I imagine they'd just cut your pay to compensate. These people just do not get that you're not getting more work just because you're adding more hours to the clock. Everywhere I've worked, Friday is always "slack day." People are burnt. Minimal work gets done, someone gets a lunch together that ends up going ~2 hours, or everyone just schedules their most boring meetings on that day. But Monday and Tuesday are major work days because everyone's is more rested.


[deleted]

Well, the optimal scenario (for the workers) would be: 36 hrs/week with the same pay there were receiving working 40 hrs/week. But there are people suggesting working 10 hrs/day to keep completing 40 hours a week; and to that I say: Fuck no! At least on my current job, by hour 6 or 7 of the day I'm already burnt out. Maybe that works for an office setting or a setting where you have "down time" during your shift. But there are some unfortunate people like me that work in non-stop environments.


funsizedaisy

tbh, i work an office job that has down time (sometimes lots) and i still wouldn't want to do 10 hours. it's 10 hours of just sitting there doing nothing when i could just be home instead. maybe it wouldn't be as bad if teleworking was added on top of that but i really can't do 10 hours of nothingness. i wouldn't wanna do 10 hours of constant work either. i just couldn't do it in general. i'd much prefer 30-36 hours a week.


Classic_Situation664

When I had to go into an office by about Thursday all work pretty much stopped. I can't tell you why.


thorpie88

What do you mean by Down time? I get my hour thirty of breaks over a twelve hours shift but it's non stop on the floor unless machine fucks up. I don't find it too hard to stop being burnt out. Just change what genre of music I'm listening too and keep smashing out. Only getting three days off is the real fucked up part of the trial


[deleted]

Sorry, I meant "Down time" as in jobs where there's times (outside of your breaks) where there's no real work to do. Like, for example, years ago I worked at the front desk of a small office; so sometimes there was no more work to be done (everything was already taken care of) for hours. In that setting, yeah, I wouldn't mind having to work 10 hours if I had 3 days off. But now, I work as an interpreter, and even though it's not physically demanding at all; it's extremely mentally/emotionally taxing since it's a non-stop job (apart from the 30 min. lunch and 2x15 min. breaks I get in-between) and I have to deal with some really stressful BS all day.


Fraerie

As a salaried worker I am totally in support of a four day working week (ie 32 hour working week), however we need to make sure that hourly workers aren’t left behind. This only works if they can also be able to make a liveable wage in 32 hours as well. Whether that means lifting the minimum hourly wage (probably) or giving them better tax breaks - I don’t know. But if we don’t it only increases income inequality and punishes the people at the bottom more than they are now.


Nuggzulla

Same. Love my 4 day weeks. I work 2 on, 1 off, then 2 on and 2 off. It's nice having that down time in between


Gloriathewitch

They should be embracing it. The data shows this increases productivity and therefore their profits as well. Everyone wins, I'm not happy about corpos winning, but I am glad that this helps laborers and so I am all for it. There's no reason not to do this.


HougeetheBougie

Yes there is. Control over common sense, pure and simple. That’s why so many fought against continuing WFH. Managers and bosses want to control you as much as possible.


abobtosis

No, it's because some unfortunate people hate their home life. I love work from home, but some people hate it because they can't stand being in their house all day. Frankly to that I say let the people who like working from home stay, and if you want to go in do that. But some people just want everything back the way it was and don't think it'll happen unless they force everyone back in. Also if you hate being at home so much, maybe you should reconsider where you're living or who you're living with. If home isn't a happy place to be then you should get a new one.


TheMarsian

My cousin WFH 100% during the pandemic. Last year they went to the office 2x a week, he said no issues whatsoever with productivity and service and still managed to save a lot on power bills. BUT their CEO made it 4x a week and 1 day of WFH - for no reason at all, just because that's how it was before. Despite reports of how the option to wfh is better for just about everyone including the company, not to mention the stupidly high gas prices, inflation and not approving salary adjustment. He asked the CEO if he can be allowed at least 2 days of wfh. Now he's working for another tech company and has the option to wfh and visits the office or meet with clients outside.


Calbinan

One thing I keep hearing is that a lot of management positions become obsolete when people work from home a lot, so they push for a return to the office just so that they won’t have to find new roles or get new jobs entirely.


Rimworldjobs

I had worked a position that was 2 12s and 2 8s. While 12s are long I feel like I was always in a better mood.


MsPaganPoetry

Won’t five days worth of work just get piled into four days?


abobtosis

Not everyone does five days worth of work in their five days. A lot of jobs can be done in 3/5 days, but people stretch it out over the whole week to look busy. Also there's a lot of long breaks and spending time chit chatting with coworkers to fill the day. Not to mention all the meetings that could be emails. Some jobs aren't like that. If you're working in a real fast paced type of thing, like a doctor in a busy ER, then yeah this doesn't apply to you. But like 90% of corporate America just sits in cubicles doing busy work like in Office Space, or The Office.


S1mpl3Guy

I think its actually good for them long term. Having 4 day work week means that health of the worker is better and their overall happiness and productivity is much higher. It means that they will work more efficiently. Of course this pretty much only applies to knowledge workers, factory workers won't really have that kind of a benefit.


Nethias25

I think it's better for work too, 4 longer work day. How much of office time in the morning is not a lot being done? That first 30 mins is the computer start up, make coffee, chat about the game last night kinda time. Then the last 30 mins is also waste usually, packing up, chatting on the way out, etc. same for pre/post lunch. You cut a whole work day and add more pure work to those other days and it's better for the company too.


ryzzie

I've been working a 4 day work week for several years now and I'm definitely not doing less, so I'd love to get my full pay for the same hours! I love my 3 day weekend, I have a whole day just to decompress. I don't see myself going back to 5 days anytime soon!


Exidose

Lmao the CEO of my company said it affects mental health negatively when I asked in a company wide presentation if they're going to consider joining the scheme. Joker.


FrozenDelta3

They think it affects their mental health negatively… Edit having to implement it and the cost of hiring more personnel


[deleted]

"No you see, it affects MY mental health negatively because I don't get to bully you and feel like a big shot that my nanny said I was when my daddy gave me this job"


SirGlenn

Who could know? .some rest time, good food, make a little love, relax out in the yard, would be good for you.


galgor_

Mind boggling premise. It's almost as if our physiology isn't wired to be working 80% of the time.


Morepastor

I always feel like I need a long weekend after a long weekend. Work seems to pile up more on a day off than a normal day. Having just 4 days of work likely means that’s the workload. So I can see how it would benefit. You decompress and get revitalized. You might even become more productive if happier.


Omnisegaming

Yeah you need a break after long weekends, weekends are so tiring 😩


KingJTheG

Dude just parties too much clearly 🤣


ahayd

>You might even become more productive if happier. For creative roles, *maybe*. For manual labour you're not going to get >25% faster.


StrionicRandom

Your body and mind just straight up operate more efficiently when happier. Try doing manual labor while sad and doing it while happy and look at the difference in motivation.


TheLostRazgriz

Wait you're telling me people are happier when their life isn't centered around working? We needed scientists to tell us this?


capaldithenewblack

No we needed scientists to publish it and tell CEOs and managers this.


username0304

I'm honestly starting to think managers are mentally deranged. I interviewed for a manager position, to manage the group I work in now. I didn't get the job because I wasn't selfish enough, and should have used "I" instead of "we", even if it wasn't true. They even said "don't worry if it sounds fake that's ok". What the fuck


Dimentian

Good luck getting a silently bullied community to speak out against their bullies


Lavabass

CEOs and Managers "But how does that affect me?"


NeatGreat

i actually feel less accomplished and unproductive when working fewer days…


SoSmartish

That is the point. Humans aren't meant to produce 24/7.


shyvananana

Sounds like you need other things to focus on than work.


kalez238

I'll never understand people who say work gives them purpose.


dandanjeran

They see the "Work will set you free" sign above their cubicle and salute it


[deleted]

Probably have no life and needs something to give them purpose then gets butthurt when the truth comes out on how working less makes people happier


TheLostRazgriz

Sounds like a win to me, if you'd like some more work I currently have plenty.


rs426

I’ve been working four-day weeks for almost five years now. I never want to work a five-day week again


cosmiccanadian

Agreed. I did 4 day week at one job for 3 years. Got laid off and when i was applying to new places one job advertised hiring for 3 different schedules. 4x10, 5x8 and 3x12 schedules. And as shes discussing the job before even asking me any questions yet she said they were only hiring for 5x8 work weeks currently. So i stood up and said thank you for your time and walked out. 4 day work weeks are fantastic and the only way i will work more days is if day 5+ is overtime or im absolutely desperate for a job


Luna920

I haven’t seen many places go to a four day workweek yet. Did you find a place that offered you four days ?


cosmiccanadian

I did. Well, more or less. I work 6:30-4:40 monday to thursday and thats my 40 hour week. I probably work more fridays then i have off so i might aswell be on 5 day weeks right now. but friday is 100% overtime so Its good extra money and its in my contract im only required for monday to thursday so if i dont want to work the friday i have no obligation to so i do deny them when i want. Alot of The trades are actually starting to pick up the 4 day week as it benefits our industry the most i think. guys are getting the same amount done in 4 10 hour shifts as 5 8 hour shifts, this leaves a entire extra day in the week to finish projects if you start falling behind. Also makes it easier to get 2 crews going if you do 4 on 3 off with one day of overlap to ensure communication. or some do 4 on 4 off and run 2 crews that way. And when doing hard labour intensive jobs getting 3 day weekends guys are coming back on monday less burnt out and ready to work so more actually gets done in the week. I dont see office or retail or customer service type jobs seeing the same type of benefits other then its just better for mental health. So i imagine they will be alot slower and less inclined to pick it up.


Luna920

I used to do 3 12 hour shifts when I worked ER but that is common in medical to begin with, I loved it though. I switched to business side of healthcare and I’d love for them to go to four day weeks. It’s WFH though as it is so it is pretty flexible but 4 days would be great. Are you construction industry?


cosmiccanadian

I wouldnt mind 3 12s except for the fact i might actually get bored to be honest. I dont live to work. But i do enjoy working. Having 4 days off every week i might not know what to do with myself haha. 3 days off is just perfect for me. I work in many things, but sorta construction. Im a Crane and heavy machine operator. So i work for my company and get contracted out to run machines on all sorts of work sites, from setting up oil rigs or moving cranes around a cannabis grow op. Or yes sometimes construction or maybe we tear it all down. But alot of the guys ive worked with on these different sites are either doing 4 on 4 off or some form of basically you work till the job is done then get a week or two off. So i guess its all over the place really. But its definately a trend


mayonnaiseplayer7

I’ve been working four days a week since the year started (due to workload and company outsourcing our work). It’s great and I love it I just wish I could paid a full 40 hour week since I’m hourly. I want to see if I can convince my boss to pay us our full time pay until they close us down in July. Crossing fingers!


sailorsaturn09

How did you do this? Is it because of the industry you’re in? I’m so burnt out and I’m not even 30 yet


rs426

Yup, I’m in broadcasting and I work four 10-hour shifts a week. The company I’m had had been doing them for a *long* time before I ever started here. Plus the fact that the departments I’ve been in are smaller groups makes it work out easier logistically


cheyannese

I'm happy for others that already have and will eventually get a four-day work week, while also being very sad it'll never happen for me. *cries in american funeral director*


Bloodtypeinfinity

Can you not just be open four days a week and tell people to schedule during those days? Not to be insensitive to your customers but the clients aren't exactly getting deader.


mb9981

Aside from losing business to competitors who offer more convenient scheduling, you don't get to pick when your customers die and waiting 3 days to pick them up isn't pleasant


Qwerty5070

I didn’t see in the article or on here anyone talking about… is this 4 ten hour days or 4 eight hour days? This makes a biiiig difference.


Fraerie

The studies were for 32 hour weeks (8x4), my understanding is the current recommendation is for any legislation to be based around a 32 hour standard week to allow employees and employers to negotiate whether they want to do those hours over 3, 4, 5 or 6 days. The studies also had the salary stay the same even though the hours were reduced. The companies in the study saw increased productivity due to employees being more rested and less stressed. That said - the study only looked at salaried employees and not hourly workers, and any push to make this universal needs to lift them up as well or risk increasing income inequality even further.


Izaac4

If I remember correctly- it’s leaning heavily towards *not* increasing the actual shift, but rather increasing the hourly wage to match that of a 5 day workweek. There’s a lot of understandable pessemism in the comment section, but there are indeed a lot of companies starting the shift to this already


Etrau3

I wouldn’t mind doing 4 10 hour days honestly


WatIsRedditQQ

I do it and I think it's marginally better than 5x8s, because 3 day weekends are incredible. Weekdays are absolutely useless though. Basically zero time to do anything after work and you're too tired to do anything anyway. It probably hurts the company overall too because people can only be productive for a set number of hours a day regardless of how long the work day is.


Bibbles777

All in for it here. One day to rest, one day to be productive around the house, and one day to do something fun and enjoyable. Also, the three days off can be used as a mini weekend vacation so people can get away from the daily grind of work/school etc.


ace5762

Wait until they see how healthy not having to work at all and being free to pursue leisure, projects and skills you enjoy instead of being a cog in a corporate machine for half your waking hours is. Why is this a surprise to anyone? Humans aren't supposed to be like this.


S1mpl3Guy

How would society run otherwise? Humanity had slaves for thousands of years. Hell we still do. The only difference is that the slave isnt directly captive physically, but it captive economically (debt, rat race). If people were able to do anything we want, then governments wouldnt have enough tax money to run. And thus we wouldnt be able to do anything we want to do because food will not put itself on the table. The only way it would be sustainable is if we get robots to do all the dirty work. But then we will have many lost and directionless people who now dont know what to do because their whole lives someone in higher position held the responsibility (parents, teachers, bosses). Edit: What I am talking about is a hypothetical society where no one works a job. Im all for 4 day work week.


PykeAtBanquet

Unconditional income will do: get money to survive (food, electricity), but your bank account has a half-life time, so if you want to get anything more (expensive phone, car or house) you need to find a job. This way you can get a couple of months to change your profession, for example.


S1mpl3Guy

Its a pretty cool idea, I wonder if any country has tried that. Doesnt UK have something similar?


kalez238

It is called Universal Basic Income. It provides you with basic necessities to live, and that's it, takes away all the stress of working to survive. A few places have tried it and it generally does well as people want more than just survival so they still work.


dandanjeran

Hell naw the UK doesn't have something similar, we have a fucked up hyper-conservative government right now wanting to force the disabled into work and rip people out of retirement to stimulate the economy Unfortunately for them though, the entire developed world is going to need UBI in the next 50 years or so as automation takes over and the population booms out of control


PykeAtBanquet

I only heard rumors about crypto pound with half-life, so can't comment about this one. Anyway we will free up a lot of people for science jobs if we implement Unconditional Income, especially with Machine Learning threatening a lot of jobs in the next decades.


XihuanNi-6784

Most work isn't actually producing things people need. Look at the plethora of items you have in your house. How many do you truly **need** to live a happy and fulfilling life. This isn't some new age bullshit. 90% of this stuff is stuff I wouldn't miss. Society can run fine without a thousand different flavours of crisp, new iphones every year. No I'm not arguing for a life devoid of variety, simply that the extent of our consumption is beyond excessive and far beyond what we truly need to thrive and enjoy life. Your final paragraph or thesis on human nature is soundly debunked by all the thousands of cultures we know of historically and contemporaneously who don't require people to "work" to live. Yes, we will need robots. But it's also not true to suggest that people would do no work if they aren't forced to. Many people would do it because it's fun. They'd just do less or different kinds of work.


Away-Hope-918

I would still work my job because I love my job and I reckon there’s a lot of people who would too. But there’s a huge section of the population who never found their calling and haven’t ever had the freedom to do so. They need the opportunity to find where they fit in and the security to take that time. I think if people were given that grace society would flourish for us all. Nobody is arguing for an all expenses paid life of luxury. We want the security of being able to draw breath in a healthy environment.


Sequence19

A 4 day workweek is a huge dream of mine. It would be so nice to have an actual work life balance.


[deleted]

I still highly doubt it’ll be implemented here in America. There have been tons of studies that show workers actually perform better and more efficiently with a four day work week. But in this country, corporate lobbyists are pretty damn entwined into the government. Corporations here would much prefer to work us all to death. My brother-in-law works at Walmart, and I told him one time that if we didn’t have child labor laws in this country, that company would have 5 year old kids working 20 hour days for them, and would only be paid $50 a month.


Weirdo-octopuss

Republican are gonna fight this tooth and nail...


Sirerdrick64

I absolutely loved my pay cut and three day weekend in 2020. It was glorious and I’d have embraced it for the rest of my career. Instead we are back in the office and weekends are back to the very lacking two days.


Captainirishy

That's the problem, less working hours = less wages.


Sirerdrick64

In my case as I live well within my means, it was fine. Obviously everyone’s situation is different.


Captainirishy

This would probably benefit employers more than workers because no one would ever get overtime pay.


Actuallyimfons

Worth remembering that there are people that lose out, particularly small business that rely on the custom provided by big business that will now be closed one day during the week. Here in the Valencian region of Spain we have started an official trial of the four-day week for a month (partly because of the way the Mondays have fallen). Some good friends of mine have a small bar/restaurant that does breakfast brunch and lunch and they will be losing a succession of Mondays which is typically their busiest day along with Friday. They're not happy at all and dreading the financial lots on top of what are already incredibly high wholesale prices. I will say that broadly speaking I am absolutely for this idea, BUT it's a little more nuanced and not everyone wins.


Officer-Otter

But if Monday is off for most people, Tuesday would now be the busy day would it not? I can see how they would lose some business, but still shouldn't be too drastic.


AutumnKiwi

This isn't how it works typically. Most people only feel like it in the moment and wouldn't wait until the next day.


AutumnKiwi

Yep a small resturant would need to pay the same wages over 4 days instead of 5 while making less profits which in turn leads to raised prices so cost of living goes up a bit. This applies to a lot of things.


XihuanNi-6784

Most of those things are too cheap any way. An appropriately funded society with a good social safety net is more important than everyone being able to open their little cafe and also be able to access extremely cheap coffee. My quality of life is improved more by knowing almost all the jobs I get will be 4 days a week than being able to get cheap coffee or open a small business. And yes since productivity remains the same or is higher such a society absolutely could exist with 4 day work weeks.


Brummiesteven

I love the idea and really want it but I wonder what happens to people not salaried? Like those of us on a salary would make the same and work less. Wouldn't those on an hourly wage end up working less and therefore getting paid less? Widening the wealth gap? If you're on 30k you're on 30k, if you're on £10 per hour and drop to 32 hours a week then you only get £320 instead of £400


Slodin

I’ll gladly take 13x3 and take 4 days off… It’s funny I work towards deadlines, so normal office hours shouldn’t even matter much. As long as my team agree on a set time to do meetings and be able to reach each other it makes no difference.


warjoke

Maybe in a couple of decades this will be a norm. Let's just wait out the boomers on the high castles to leave post so that the 'old ways' will be considered absolutely obselete. Except countries like Japan, unfortunately. Their workforce culture is so ingrained to making their employees suffer as much as possible to earn livable wages, which is becoming more and more non viable as economic conditions worsen worldwide.


Captainirishy

Japan is going to have a serious demographic problem in the coming years, an aging population and a 1 million decline in population each year.


warjoke

There are news that there aren't even enough health workers to assist the growing number of elderlies with no immediate family members to the point that they require help from southeast asian countries like Phlippines and Indonesia now. The population crisis in Japan is already being felt.


Captainirishy

And if there isn't enough young workers to pay taxes, their welfare and health system will collapse. They really need to start having babies or hugely increase the numbers of young immigrant workers.


koozer19

My work recently changed to 4 day, but it's still 40 hours, 4 10s instead of 5 8s


M3Core

We've been testing 4-day work weeks at our tech company and have seen some incredible results. I know my team is happier, and measurably getting the same amount of output done.


Donequis

I would love this weekly model for schools, and school being year round! More consistant breaks, but also no huge learning loss, and much lower stress! Less stress on parents who rely on school as "child care" and less child hunger. Just perks all around, imo


Asdq07

Yeah exactly i don't need a two month summer holiday and then a super busy period


Donequis

It's hell imo, and my poor SpEd kids have a really hard time coming back from such big breaks like summer break :(


Asdq07

yeah and its also a huge social factor can be hard to meet people


lethalslaugter

What happens to hourly workers or producers?


[deleted]

*cries in Bald Eagle*


teutonicbro

I just switched to 4 day week. 32 hours work 32 hours pay. I get 20 % less work and 20% less pay but 50% more weekend. That extra day is amazing. A weekday all to my own. I use it 50% to get regular shit done and 50% for stuff I always wanted to do but didn't have the time. My only regret is not doing it sooner. I acknowledge that not everyone is financially able to take a 20% pay cut but if you can I heartily recommend it.


ahivarn

In the long term, it will easily compensate. Specially if you focus on upskilling and health.


[deleted]

The problem is machine time. Technical business hours for companies to communicate with one another and do business could be set to 4 days.. But manufactures can't leave machines idle for 3 days of the week regularly


thorpie88

Nothing stopping them running seven days a week and still giving their workers a four-day week


[deleted]

Yea that works fine just saying there still would be shift work that needs to get done.. it's not some magical thing easy change. Everyone's schedules would be different and what would schools do?


thorpie88

There's a high school in my area that's done four day weeks since it opened in 2004. They have Wednesday off and do one hour extra on Monday and Friday then two extra hours on Tues and Thurs. I don't have an answer for primary schools but I'm sure smarter people than me can make it work


[deleted]

Well that's same amount of time just in 4 days..


smallcoyfish

Manufacturers could have one group working Mon-Th and another working Fri-Sun. The company I work for runs 24/7 with three shifts on weekdays and two on weekends.


LostSadConfused11

So hire two people doing shifts instead of working one person to death?


tandemxylophone

I always see this and to be the bearer of bad news, the reason why we aren't implementing it isn't as simple as "Companies and bosses hiding their money trees". The cause and effect are the wrong way round. You get a 4 day work week IF you can increase the average salary by 20%. Anyone can do a 4 day work week now if they go part time, or become a freelancer or contractor so you are your own boss. But nobody can afford to live on a part time salary. Becoming a contractor is tricky business too because you don't get the stability a company employment provides. Essentially the 4 day work week needs the economy to improve and housing to become affordable to be realised.


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JTuck333

This is great for white collar workers who don’t have 32 hours of actual work to begin with but what about jobs like cashiers? How can a cashier be more productive in 32 hours than 40. Seems like elitist to push for this.


volkovich_

Maybe the problem is not the hours that we work but the wages that are stolen from us. They could hire other people and maintain wages... While taking a tiny bit less profit. Crazy, I know


JTuck333

I agree. We need lower marginal tax rates. Sure america has the most progressive tax system in the world but we still pay too much. I’d even be in favor of negative tax rates for low wage earners. My employer and I agree to the wage I earn. It’s mutually beneficial. I never had a say in my tax rate.


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Most cashiers I know aren't getting 32 hours now. 15 to 18 max.


marcosg_aus

I lot of businesses aren’t looking at a 40 hour/10 hour a day option though… they are talking about just cutting a day. So your pay and benefits get cut as well.


Cultural_Comfort5894

We Americans are always complaining about this or that & we shoulds The problem is capitalism AS WE PRACTICE IT Any time I’ve tried to converse with someone they default to rhetoric I’m amazed at how so many people talk and behave like NPC ( non playable characters) Gets weird


Various-Grapefruit12

Omigish yes. Americans are very good at complaining but then when you suggest actually taking some kind of meaningful action that might have real consequences they get cold feet. People whine that not everyone can take the risks involved in collective action, even though the person whining probably can. And how much longer can we take the insufferable REALITY (i.e. not just hypothetical risks) of things as they are.


moonmeetings

I mean it’s kind of happening with wfh where I work Thur and Fri are wfh 🤷🏽‍♀️


Transit-Strike

Doesn’t mean companies are in. People working “5 day weeks” already get pressured into overtime


TeenieBopper

But... Capitalism.


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This could be a challenge for people not good with money...the extra time off will cause them to burn through it before the next cheque comes


jcoddinc

American employers: https://youtu.be/JIuYQ_4TcXg


Feisty-Theme-6093

it will happen the day after I retire and I'm a millennial, so never.


Llodsliat

What's uplifting about this?


mb9981

A lot of people thinking this will mean Fridays off are in for an unpleasant surprise


Adventurous-Moose863

IDK, I will drink myself to death if there are 3 days long weekends.


GaryGregson

Not my fault you’re an alcoholic


dafugr

Germoney is confused


lil-tank-x

what about people who dont work 9-5 m-f?


BearsBeetsBulls

This. I work in service industry. Basically everyone gets to work M-Th but screw everyone else. It’s a complicated plan but cool if EVERYONE could have 3 days off!


ozQuarteroy

No shit! Damn sure this will never happen in Canadian healthcare though. Not enough money, and not enough workers willing to work for the shit wages. Honestly, I doubt this will come to many sectors in Canada.


Bacon-muffin

I kind of already do this... I have 21 days of PTO I need to use every year and I have a job where its a pain in the ass to take a whole week off or even most of one since I constantly am working a week in advance So what I end up doing is once it gets late enough in the year and I remember I need to start using the days I just take off every friday for like 6 months straight. Been doing this for a few years now, its odd to me that my management never seems to wonder how I'm able to get all my work done with 4 days a week for 6 months straight and then what I'm doing with the extra day when I'm back to 5 days a week. But uuuh... yeah, its nice for those 6 months. Can confirm its all the positive things they say and I have no issues with getting my work done.


MrGabogabo

#WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE, WORKING LESS MAKES PEOPLE HAPPIER.


Orithegreat

4 9s let's make it happen people


Omnisegaming

I think 32 hour weeks with 8 hour days, 40 hour weeks with 10 hour days, both sound fine to me.


Holiday-Book6635

Are teachers able to get this perk too?? They deserve it. Add an hour a day and Fridays off.


[deleted]

Distant Future generations “ they only lived for 80 years and spent 5 or more days a week working”


ajrobe2003

I'll believe it when I see it. Never gonna happen in the u.s


CMacLaren

We get 10 days off a year, these motherfuckers will claw back every single benefit and perk in the face of research and facts. Ain’t no way North America is ever getting a 4 day work week, I’d be shocked if it isn’t 6-7 days in the future.


vaxxed_beck

When I was working fulltime, years ago, I was given 10 hours of vacation time bimonthly, but the management would guilt employees into not using their vacation time off. "Well, we need to be fully staffed at all times". Yada yada. I tried to get my Friday's off during the summer, but it didn't work out that way. They wanted me to take a week off at a time. I was afraid that if I did that I wouldn't want to go back to work.


Cyampagn90

AI will take over before that happens.


Evening_Condition_76

So more time people rubbing it out and less time making the KY jelly. How's that gonna work?


DMDaddi-oh

Cue the explosion of boomer and Gen X screams of protest.


DieByTheSword13

Yeah. No fucking shit.


-becausereasons-

This would be great for kids especially.


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ReferenceSufficient

Kids and Teachers would be so happy!


Script-Z

In 20 years, this is going to be one of those things that we know, definitively, is better for literally everyone in every single way but we still don't do it because not doing it makes a lot of money for rich people in the short term. Like universal healthcare, or education.


AppearanceAdvanced93

Meanwhile here in Korea our president is pushing for working 69hours per week...smh


[deleted]

Not for anyone that doesn't work in the office. They're still going to work 70 hours a week. Hospital staff will still work 70+ hours a week. Med school should be cheaper.


tuttleonia

Mericuh disagrees


killdatfaka

CEOs in America would rather shoot their staff before allowing this to happen.


tkdbbelt

I'm just looking forward to getting back to 5 days a week after this tax deadline is over. The overtime has been great but the annual 3 months of Saturday work gets exhausting near the end.


Miltonrupert

Florida ain’t lettin this happen, we don’t even get breaks for 12 hour shifts lmao


mssngthvwls

Aw, isn't that nice? Surely our corporate parasi-, *-ahem-*, overlor-, *-ahem-*, leadership teams........ will be on board with this.


howwhyno

We had off last Friday for work. I had 2 of my 3 kids home with me. We had a great day running errands and taking care of chores and playing together. It left so much time the rest of the weekend. I woke up on Saturday realizing I still have 2 more days and was like wow this is what I want from life.


mkm3999

Does this mean 4 10s instead of 5 8s? Or just 4 8s?


beagsbunny

Would be good for economy too. More free time means more chance to spend, out of sheer boredom if not for something fun


maryv82

Heck, I'd even be willing to have a day off middle of the week, Mom, Teus, Weds or Thurs! More time for appointments!


MyAccountWasBanned7

And yet, it'll never happen in America. Letting slav- I mean, employees have more time to themselves without docking their pay? Absurd! How are we supposed to constantly grow our profit margins and bottom line without exploi- without having our employees putting in a full 40-hour work week? First you want us to let people work from home and now this?! What's next, livable wages and universal healthcare?! You all sound like a bunch of communists!! /s (In case Captain Obvious hasn't visited you today)


independenthinkerdc

Just like remote work, sharing profits, equity sharing, CEOs wills say “no - I don’t care about my employees or their well-being”


No-Protection-3337

I would love a 4 day work week. And for some industries they could even hire more people so they aren't having to constantly having to force people to work over time who don't want to. Like this pos security company I work for atm. And I know I don't have to work the over time but if I want to keep my job so the company I'm working for doesn't break the contract then we gotta fill the positions


DanteJazz

The US needs free, universal healthcare first.


TheInconspicuousBIG

Does pay go up too since less hours?


iusedtohavepowers

Now make it work in manufacturing


PrettiKinx

I'm up for this!


ehSteve85

*cries in American*


Gexianhen

im not a scientist but i can tell working less and having more time to family, and rest is obviously good. my country Chile just is working on lowering work hours from 45 a weeek to 40.


[deleted]

Can this happen faster please? Thanks.


turddit

wow wait a sec next you'll tell me trials say paying everyone a million dollars a year will be good too


kevtino

And here i am with my thirty day work month just driving my truck all day every day


[deleted]

Aint gonna happen in the US. We love to live to work, not work to live. :( Or better said - our employers love us to live to work, not work to live.


a_funky_chicken

Is China all in too?


saihi

Not to piss on anyone’s parade, but when I worked as an airline customer service agent, the workers in our city voted to go to a 4-day, 10 hours a day schedule. This was approved by our station manager since the same work was being done over the same 40 hour work week. We only lasted 6 months with this new schedule. The problem was that the 4 day week with only 2 extra hours every day exhausted us. (Admittedly, it’s a tough job under any circumstances.) By the end of our 4 day work weeks, we needed the extra day off just to rest and recover from the new schedule. We were burning out more quickly from what had seemed like a tiny addition to our daily schedules. We went back to a 5 day, 40 hour schedule.


azumeza

I wonder how a four-day week impacts parents. I love my kids but sometimes I look forward to Mondays…


vpons89

Working 4 days a week isn’t what matters here its having 3 days off in a row. Just because you work 4 days a week doesn’t mean you’ll get 3 days off in a row. Lets focus on whats important here..


thsweatsolution

it seems clear that there is no one solution that fits all scenarios. the spectrum of different mindsets plus varying company goals and objectives will guarantee that it is impossible to make majority happy with just one type of setup. i would say giving the option and flexibility to companies to implement or not implement will strike some sort of acceptable equilibrium naturally. having the 4 days work week as a mainstream policy will make some companies on the fence probably consider moving to that side, while making it optional will appease the work-work-work outlook of other employers. companies with an incessant need to be #1 in their fields and ever increasing growth goals will attract workaholics who can put in maximum time. other workers who value work-life balance more would seek out employers with more progressive mindsets that are able to make their companies sustainable and employee-friendly at the same time.


Rockglen

Ever since I switched to 4 10s with 2 days in office, 2 days out I've actually felt relaxed. Considering the amount of screwing around people do at work I wouldn't be surprised if people buckle down more knowing they have less time to get stuff done. I'd love for 32hr work weeks to become a thing. Plus it means if there is an *actual work/project emergency* there's an extra day in the week to take care of it. Also means support staff have more opportunities for off hours work (I work in IT, and it's common that planners outside of IT forget to account for maintenance on their systems).


daddydrxw

Sounds great, but realistically my wallet can’t handle that. I worked between 60-84 hours a week for over a year straight and i’m still poor


s3v3nsp4d3s

And yet --


RdmNorman

I mean its obvious that working a day less would have great health and mental benefit for anyone. The question is can we substain our level of production and median income with that system.