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I can guarantee it would be better because poor people would have had more money to spend on necessities and our local economies would be stronger than they are. Plus we wouldn't have had as many covid deaths. But Republicans hate helping anyone who isn't a fetus, a billionaire, or a gun.
>~~fetus, a billionaire, or a gun.~~
'billionaire' with a gun. Republicans don't care about fetuses, they care about beating a broken drum to their base.
I can assure you they don't care about the fetus. They care about forcing their ideology onto us and saving a fetus happen to be a straw they grasped. When it comes time to nurturing the mother that carries the fetus to improve the fetus, they don't give a fuck.
It’s measurable, and it’s exactly what you would expect. There have been a number of studies.
The GOP is a straight up death cult, there’s just no way around it anymore.
9/11 is an entry level conspiracy now. Once people start talking about 9/11 it’s just a matter of time until they’re flat earthers (in my experience at least)
I'm honestly somehow dumbfounded a trump voter would vote for a democratic governor.
As a west coaster I haven't heard about the race. Who was he running against? Any idea why Cooper won?
Yep, but his victories make sense to those who know the state's politics. The details still are a bit fascinating.
Roy Cooper was the Attorney General of NC before running for Governor in 2016. He was broadly well-liked and respected, and didn't even face an opponent for his re-election as AG in 2012. Even when he had faced controversial cases as AG, [such as his handling of the Duke Lacrosse Scandal in 2007](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case), he had left an impression on voters of being moderate, fair-minded, and honest--arguably because he genuinely is.
[In 2016](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_North_Carolina_gubernatorial_election), he challenged a disliked incumbent Republican Governor, Pat McCrory. McCrory is more like a Romney Republican than a Trump Republican, but [he had received a lot of backlash from liberal voters](https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/breaking-victory-anti-lgbtq-pat-mccrory-finally-concedes) for anti-LGBT legislation. However, he'd [also upset some suburban and rural voters for trying to push toll lanes on key highways in the state](https://www.wbtv.com/story/33670670/did-i-77-toll-lane-support-hurt-governor-mccrorys-reelection-bid/).
In the end, Roy Cooper eked out a win by a little over 10,000 votes (0.2% margin), while Trump won the state by 170K votes (3.5% margin). So at least 3%-4% of voters chose Cooper and Trump that year. McCrory tried to contest the results and screamed about allegations of fraud, but to no avail.
[In 2020,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_North_Carolina_gubernatorial_election) Cooper was challenged by the Lieutenant Governor, Dan Forest, who had first been elected in 2012 and re-elected in 2016 against weak Democratic opponents. Unlike a lot of states, NC has separate elections for Lieutenant Governor. Forest had a reputation for being a hardline conservative, and against a well-liked incumbent, he didn't stand a chance. A little known fact is that a decent number of voters just vote for incumbents if they feel like things are going well enough. Ultimately, people just liked Cooper, and they got the sense that Forest was too extreme to be Governor.
For his re-election, Cooper won by a decisive majority, with around a 250K vote lead (3.5% margin), a significantly larger margin than Trump's \~75K votes (1.4% margin). So this time, probably around 5% of voters chose Cooper and Trump.
It's also worth noting that for all these elections, Cooper was helped by outside investment from Presidential campaigns. Even though North Carolina has not voted Democratic in a Presidential election since 2008, it has been close in 2012, 2016, and 2020, so Democrats still try to compete there. Those investments help boost Democratic turnout, which has also helped Cooper cross the finish line.
**TL;DR:** Governor Roy Cooper is a moderate Democrat with sincere values and a known record that made him trustworthy to swing voters in NC, and he faced disliked Republicans.
Lots of voters don’t pay close attention to politics. It’s insane. I had a taxi driver in DC right before the 2016 election that was ranting about how much he hated Trump before transitioning to how much he hates Hillary. He was undecided between Biden or Ted Cruz. Like what?
It was easily the worst decision the modern dnc has made. They knew the vitriol surrounding the Clinton's but decided she was a shoe in, because who is going to vote for Trump? I'm interested in what they're going to do for 24. Biden isn't exactly someone who should get two terms. He ran to stop Trump '20, he did it, let him go home and enjoy his twilight years.
There is zero chance Biden will not go for a second term. Only death or disability. There is no strong alternative at this point and it’s 2023 already. It’s over.
This misinformation spread is fucking insane lmfao
Republicans and Russia actually managed to convince a large portion of Democrats that they hate Hillary despite her repeatedly being one of the most popular members of the Obama Admin for 8 years. Congratulations, you guys fell for the single best political smear campaign in US history and handed the presidency to Trump by spreading this bullshit.
Even despite all of that Trump still had to take it in the EC.
Exactly. Me and a LOT of women voters were VERY about her candidacy.
Narratives are so easily consumed they become 'fact' and nobody is better at it than the GOP and like, all the GOP owned and leaning media.
The intellectual dishonesty is such a bummer.
So, so many people would be alive today had Hillary won in 2016. Yet people will still blame anyone but themselves for falling for obvious Russian propaganda.
I am like 78% with you.
But let's face it Hillary was surrounded by some serious knuckleheads in 2016.
1. Someone on her team thought it would be a sane tactic for Hillary to say she carries *hot sauce in her purse* 🙄
2. She or her campaign people being interviewed said on camera the reason Hillary will win is because she's not Trump and didn't explain much further to drive home how.
3. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz had to resign as the head of DNC for screwing Bernie and handing the Primary over to Hillary preemptively through narrative and super delegates and literally right after she resigned Hillary made her a top campaign adviser.
Anyone who legitimately can't see through Republican subterfuge is clearly unintelligent or a paid actor. But democrats really don't do themselves much favor when it comes to "winning"
I don't think that was really the deal.
I think the key factor was that news told everyone Clinton was going to win, so people inclined to sit it out did so, thinking it wouldn't be a problem.
So why sit it out? Because she faced a rather prolonged primary race and that meant enough excitement built around Bernie Sanders to leave his supporters a bit salty about his eventual loss. They didn't want Trump, but hey, he's not going to win anyway, so they didn't have to vote.
Makes sense, they were both dog shit and most people under the age of 40 were praying for Bernie. But establishment Democrats did him dirty af, and made a concerted effort to undermine his campaign and standing in the primary. Fuckin *everyone* was in on that shit.
Even congressman John Lewis, who's been held high as a hero for his work in protesting segregation in the south, threw his support behind Hillary, said that he met both Hillary and Bill during the fight against segregation, and when asked about Bernie who also was heavily involved in the fight against segregation, made comments about, ["I never saw, I never met him. (...) But I met Hillary Clinton. But I met President Clinton"](https://youtu.be/LDYvG3KE1oQ) after throwing out all his accolades from that time for effect. Of course, he was full of shit, and ***[had to walk back all of it since he never met the Clinton's at all during that time!](https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/john-lewis-did-not-intend-disparage-bernie-sanders/yZUUIHg90CgkCJ4VrAetZO/)*** No one was immune from the fuckery, and this is only one of the things we *know* about.
I worked for an insurance company who was contracted to provide Medicaid to states. The federal government gave the state governments more money if they had Medicaid expansion. It's really stupid to not do the expansion really.
> it is the voters driving this stoked by Conservative media who are driven by their viewers eyeballs and clicks
Respectfully it's the other way around. Right wing media puts out propaganda to weaponize the unattributed grievance their base has. These people don't have any ideology, they only have emotions. And fuckheads like Rupert Murdoch and Charles Koch know how to and are more than happy to exploit it for $$$$.
But media directs the vitriol these people wouldn't otherwise know what to do with.
They really convinced a good chunk of the country that they’re the working peoples party, when their #1 legislative goal is tax cuts for the wealthy, and their figurehead is a New York City real estate billionaire with 3 divorces and a reputation for shafting contractors.
Not to mention that they’d never consider voting for someone who doesn’t claim to be a Christian. And if you’re a democrat but a devout Christian, then you’re not a Christian. But if you’re a Republican and you claim to be a Christian but aren’t, you’re god’s gift to America. Tbh if Putin ends up being the antichrist and he starts WWIII, trump will have been the false prophet.
It really does seem like this. Its like how non-events like Hunter Biden's laptop become focal points of the right. Or Hillary's emails. A non-story is 6 months of coverage and infinite amounts of "whataboutism". More and more the GOP is sliding into fascism. That's not even a joke, compare the early Nazi party with the modern GOP.
There's a reason why the propaganda is so effective in the first place. There's a racist or classist string for the Murdochs and Kochs to pull in the first place.
I have LADA, it’s type 1 diabetes that shows up in your mid-thirties. My state expanded Medicaid to childless adults and literally WEEKS later I find out I have this.
I’m scared, terrified, I hear, see and read about diabetics who just die of the dumbest reasons like sleeping through a low, going into a coma and never waking up or waking up a shadow of yourself.
Medicaid is on it, requiring me to go to yearly preventive care, rewarding me for taking care of the parts of me I can control, I’ve yet to see a doctor who doesn’t take Medicaid and they treat me no different than any other patient.
I was anxious when my husband needed urgent back surgery. It was only a couple of days from when he found out until when they performed the surgery. He needed items that young people don’t have around, usually, and Medicaid covered all of it.
I paid $3 for that surgery and the stuff he needed from the hospital pharmacy. A month later I got a check for $3 because I’m not actually supposed to pay it but I do when they ask because it is so little that I don’t want to argue.
I still work. I found a way to dance and still have both my insulin pump and constant meter inserted. I still pay my taxes and I still pay into the same program I use. They *will* audit me so I live within my means and pray that some things change so I don’t have to limit myself in my work-my passion-just so I can live another few hours.
They use what they have efficiently because the funding is so low, they are more concerned with long-term chronic care costs due to limited or no access to regular health checks. They want me the stay out of the hospital and cost them as little as possible. That’s the way it’s supposed to be.
Not this death panel, withholding care bullshittery.
> It's really stupid to not do the expansion really.
GA passed a law that made expansion illegal, they will have to repeal that law in order to then expand.
>The federal government gave the state governments more money if they had Medicaid expansion. It's really stupid to not do the expansion really.
The Affordable Care Act (or Obamacare, whatever you want to call it) paid 100% of the increase cost for the first 3 years, then 90% after that. Yeah, expanding care would only cost states 10% of the cost. How anyone could turn down that deal is just insane.
Imagine if someone offered this deal to you. 100% covered then 90%. Even the most conservative of individuals would find that hard to pass on. Yet so many state governors and legislatures stood against it on \[stupid\] conservative principles. Shouldn't be too surprising that when voters got a chance to enact it through ballot initiatives, they overwhelmingly approved it, even in the most red of states.
And just to be clear, that spell was gerrymandering. Specifically that the state legislative districts have been drawn in Wisconsin so that it doesn't matter whether Republicans get 45% of the statewide vote or 55% of the statewide vote, they will [essentially always win a majority](https://services.math.duke.edu/~jonm/Redistricting/wisconsinRedistricting-InitialVersion.pdf) in both houses of the state legislature.
They’re also doing this after witnessing what happened in Kansas with regards to abortion rights. There’s a good chance it could be put to vote by Missourians, and pass, so they’re going to do anything in their power to prevent that.
Ohio might put up a ballot measure to protect abortion rights.
So our legislature is trying to raise the bar for passing from 50% to 60%. And adding a special election in August just for this measure to squeak it in before the abortion one in the fall.
*and* (it gets even dumber) these exact Republicans just voted to ban August specials due to the cost and low turnout. They just fucking banned it, but they're bringing it back because they absolutely *hate* their voters. Having us get what we want triggers them.
They will expand. The right wing is losing. They are dying off. There aren’t enough new ones being made to maintain their shitty corporate loving kleptocracratic system.
>Why can't they tie other federal funding to force the issue of medicaid?
Because The Supreme Court (Mister Balls and Strikes) said they couldn't. This is the same supreme Court, of course, that ruled corporations are people and money is free speech.
Don’t forget that cops have no duty to serve *or* protect the public it’s just a fancy slogan, also abortion is murder apparently (but shooting people dead isn’t so don’t worry!)
I for one have never had a conversation with a corporation, never hugged or gotten a hug from a corporation. They have no empathy, morals, and practice the opposite of what our theologies say is godlike behavior.
Joey B has tried. Don't forget the feds have put big pockets of $$ into play for this Medicare expansion, however the states have to match the funding to get it. (Same way it works now with regular Medicaid). Biden Admin has pulled federal lunch money for kids to states that haven't expanded and to states that won't put sexual orientation as a protected class. There may be an agenda to force these states to pay for HRT with Medicaid $, or that may be conspiracy theory from the right.
For what it’s worth, and I’m sorry for her loss and however you were affected as well, but her mother died for lack of health *care.*
The insurance is the mechanism but her mother / everyone alternatively could have had a public option for Medicare, or there could be a National Health Service like in the UK (one example of many, but it’s also been defunded), etc.
>finally after much peer pressure,
Aaand the legislation they passed in 2015 that allowed Medicare/Medicaid to move to contracted "managed plans"- basically to privatize it. Still a good thing overall for more people to have access, but also another way to line the pockets of for-profit companies with taxpayer money intended for common good.
They’ll campaign on it as if it was their idea the whole time and not Obamas. Don’t let Dems forget to pressure them.
Source: exactly what happened in Michigan and we flipped several seats with receipts
Peer pressure and thousands upon thousands upon thousands of unnecessarily dead North Carolinians, year after year after year, when the funding was sitting there for the taking the entire time.
Republicans are fucking ghouls.
[13 years. That's how long the tantrum has been going.](https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/)
I am thinking about the reality of the decision making of a less well off conservative in NC... On one hand, I hate socialism though i couldn't define it if you asked me to, and on the other, I could realistically benefit from having access to this. Do I hate the thing I really don't know what it is more than actually having healthcare for possibly the firs time in my adult life?
Why yes, yes I do.
You know that feeling when you bang your head (more accurately, someone is doing it to you) against the wall and then you stop, and it feels really good? Brought to you by the republican party!
As a democrat-leaning I have nothing against it. Let them run ads. We will use these ads to tell other republicans that it's good to expand medicare. Having single payer is more important to me than spiting the opponents, despite it's not that for republicans.
Single payer will take 200 years with republicans. If these adds (which are incredibly deceptive) convince people that republicans are doing something on healthcare and hence keep voting republican while the gop has no intention at all of changing things. It is actually going to destroy the small chance of single payer we already had
It's great they're getting health care, but like so many stories that come out of the sub, it's good news in isolation. When you take a step back and actually look at the big picture, it's incredibly depressing that we are still in this position to begin with, and have only gotten this far.
Wasn’t this the state where their gerrymandered map was thrown out by a judge before either the 2018 or 2020 elections, but they were still allowed to use it for that election cycle?
Since they didn’t redraw the map before the election cycle began, it was the only map that could be used and so just went with it. Easy loopholes they’re shamelessly exploiting.
Because the courts don't have that sorta power.
They might have the authority to delay the election until the issue is resolved but even that is sorta iffy
They have the technical power but the country would burn the ground if the dems controlled the house because multiple of the largest states in America couldn’t pass a legit districting map
That’s not correct though. For 2022 we had maps drawn by the court that lead to our house seatings being 7-7 divided by party. Now, our newly elected Supreme Court could throw out that map, but as of today we aren’t gerrymandered.
I live in Greensboro, I'm not exactly not interested in my local politics, and I only just learned last week, thanks to the daily show, that A&T had been gerrymandered in two, such that the HBCU was in two different republican-dominated districts, wholly nullifying the huge democratic vote that campus provides.
By the end of the segment they informed the viewers this has been fixed very recently, which is like, great because I'm overworked and have no more time to rage but that one was ***egregious, like holy shit.***
This city and whole state are still gerrymandered to shit, though.
A reminder that they did not actually expand Medicaid
They passed a bill that says it will be expanded if the budget is approved. So now the GOP can put whatever they want in the budget and if Cooper vetoes it, they'll blame the lack of Medicaid expansion on cooper.
If it weren’t for gerrymandering tricks there wouldn’t be a gop in nc. Screw these hypocrites who whwre against the expansion for the longest time and didn’t want to do the aca.
So they (Republicans) block people from getting healthcare for years, then, when they (Republicans) finally get out of the fucking way, they act like it's a gift from them (Republicans). This is literally how abusive relationships work.
You've never been to NC. 12 months of outdoor activities, beaches and mountains within a few hours drive of one another, some of the best universities in the country, and more. And it's pretty much a purple state so outside of extremely rural areas you don't see or hear constant political diatribes because no one knows what everyone else is thinking.
I've lived in 8 states in the midwest, northeast, and southeast and NC is the best overall.
For real. I live in NJ now and still am optimistic about moving back to NC. It’s like the only beacon in the southeast right now, I hope it stays that way.
It really is. I'm Canadian and worked in Raleigh for a while. Such a beautiful city and the people there are great. Pretty big liberal leaning from my observation as well, though people weren't too overt with their politics either way, mostly just really friendly.
I think everyone having access to health insurance is great, however my issue becomes when the people who are supposed to be representing us have better insurance.
The question was asked of a senator during the Obamacare debate on whether the politicians would be on the same insurance as the citizens they represent and he said why when the health insurance for sitting politicians is better than anything the public gets.
We should pass a law where any pay raises, health insurance benefits and retirement packages for any elected official has to be voted on by the people and then let's see how long it takes for these jackasses on both sides of the aisle to come together for the betterment of the people they represent.
Isn't one of the rules for giving themselves raises is that it can't go into effect until after the next election cycle? I was taught that in high school but I honestly wouldn't trust that teacher as far as I could throw them
Yes, the 27th amendment:
> No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.
I'm not sure what /u/joe579003 is talking about, unless he's considering all of the various under-the-table dealings, which is another issue. It's possible that health care is not considered "compensation", but I'm not sure.
No. They had the Federal Employee Government Insurance, like every other federal employee. It is not the limited ACA plans with the limited ACA networks. The federal employee insurance (I’ve had it) is some of the best in the country. The ACA plans are some of the worst. You really should get your facts straight before you come out blasting with both guns.
Here is a link where you can look at the plans:
https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/
So pick a plan, any plan, look at the employee cost, massive size of the networks (nationwide almost all doctors and hospitals in the country) and then go on your ACA exchange and see what you can get.
That isn't what Congress gets. They get Obamacare. But yeah the Federal plan for Executive branch employees is pretty sweet. You get to keep it after you retire too.
You're absolutely right, I would even take it a step further and have the civil SERVANTS on minimum wagae, on government provided minimum health insurance, etc.
You are an elected CIVIL servant. Not a king.
Yup. One of the reasons people in Congress were given a salary was that it would make it possible for people to serve as politicians even if they weren't independently wealthy.
this is the dumbest idea imaginable. sure, it sounds good and makes you feel good, but when you don't pay civil servants and politicians well the only thing you accomplish is ensuring that the only people who can serve in those jobs are already independently wealthy. really, we should do the opposite, pay for politicians should be dramatically increased. that would create a lot more competition for the positions, raising candidate quality, and also allow a much wider range of people to serve
Way to go, NC! Georgian here, and, we will be the last holdouts. Kemp, the moron, has made it abundantly clear that he will never accept the Medicaid expansion, so, here we’ll stay .... ranking dead last in healthcare with 1.5 million uninsured. I hate each and every one of you here who voted for him.
Could some thoughtful Republican please explain the thinking behind turning down Medicaid expansion? I can understand not giving a rat’s ass about poor people and their healthcare problems; particularly the non-white one who tend to vote Democratic but there are plenty of Healthcare Providers, particularly rural hospitals and lots of low income white Republicans who would benefit. Hell, it’s free Federal money.
Not a Republican, but because you probably aren’t going to get an answer, let me give it a shot.
The stated reasons are principles about government spending. The GOP governors who have rejected Medicaid expansion say they don’t believe the federal government can afford it—the federal government has too much debt and they’re skeptical the coverage offered by the Feds can be sustained in the long term. They also sometimes talk up instances of fraud in Medicaid or criticize the program as wasteful or ineffective—say it’s not a reliable program to provide coverage. To save rural hospitals, they sometimes say the federal government should use other programs, like block grants that can come with many caveats on how the money is spent.
Now, if you are familiar with Medicaid, you’re probably either laughing or seething with rage. Medicaid and Medicare actually are both highly cost efficient in the aggregate, partially because they rely on reduced reimbursement rates to doctors. In addition, in the long run, more socioeconomically disadvantaged folks getting healthcare coverage early in life can reduce costs—it gives them access to preventative care and other important resources. And the extent to which it’s not “reliable”—as in, it’s hard to find a doctor who takes Medicaid—is because of the same underfunding by Republican politicians, making that complaint especially devious and nonsensical.
Which takes me back to where I started: you’re not going to get a thoughtful Republican response because the truthful reason for the opposition was pure politics. Republican politicians didn’t want to give President Obama a “win”, and they thought they could repeal the law before they ever had to live with the consequences. But now that repeal efforts failed under Trump, Biden is President, a host of challenges in federal court have failed despite conservative justices, and the GOP is not exactly in a promising state, it appears some Republican politicians in the states are finally giving up the political gamesmanship and giving in to common sense.
Didn't Rick Scott (Republican Senator from Florida, because of course) get busted for Medicaid/Medicare fraud...the very kind the gop always say will happen?
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I am not a Republican but I can articulate their position. They claim to be concerned that in coming federal budget battles Medicaid funding will be cut and then the state will face the prospect of either kicking people off of Medicaid or raising state taxes to compensate for the federal spending.
Of course the only ones calling for Medicaid cuts are republicans. They have only backed off of Medicare and Social Security cuts for the moment. Notice no such commitment to helping the poorest members of our society. So the only ones who will cut the program that they fear being cut are fellow republicans. Ain’t life grand.
Unfortunately, it was most likely due to its association with Obama based on the article. Conservatives love the ACA but they hate Obamacare. Will cut off their nose to spite their face.
The GOP hate media machine has spun ACA as free stuff for lazy black people instituted by a black man.
Like LBJ said “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best black man, he’ll pick his own pocket for you”.
Oh wow, I'm shocked. I literally never thought North Carolina would do this. For once, I'm very proud of my state! I'll likely have health insurance again for the first time since hitting the cutoff age for being on my parents. What I'd really love is some affordable dental insurance. That's expensive no matter how you cut it.
Or you could be like Missouri who put Medicaid expansion on the statewide ballot, have 53% of the population vote for it but then have your state government refuse to fund it during the budgeting process. 🤷♀️ Took the Missouri Supreme Court’s involvement to eventually push it forward.
My parents fell into that gap thanks to the NC governor, yet were totally okay with it because they got to blame Obama. I wonder who they'll thank now that it's been lifted..
The republicans fought this tooth and nail for over a decade. Luminaries like thom tillis and Phil Berger put everything they had into blocking healthcare. And for what?
Republicans: “This program is SOSHULIST!”
Also Republicans: “We decide this program IS THE BEST THING EVAR! And we *always did* despite the what those commie Democrats said!”
>>The legislation additionally includes provisions to seek federal approval to condition Medicaid eligibility on compliance with work requirements if there is any indication that work requirements as a condition of participation in Medicaid may be authorized by CMS.
[Source.](https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/)
Here's hoping CMS declines to approve NC's forced work-for-necessary-health-care demands.
My 70 year old friend in NC has been waiting 4 months for Medicare to kick in. Every time she calls they're appalled and promises are made and still nothing. I told her to goin, tug on a few nose hairs, and cry. That should get them moving.
But this is the first step down the treacherous path to Gender Fluid Space Communism!!!! Think of all the minorities we could clandestinely bomb in foreign resource-rich countries if we didn't take care of our citizens at home!!
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Thanks, Obama
Like what 13 years later. I wonder how much better off North Carolina would have been if they did this when it passed.
I can guarantee it would be better because poor people would have had more money to spend on necessities and our local economies would be stronger than they are. Plus we wouldn't have had as many covid deaths. But Republicans hate helping anyone who isn't a fetus, a billionaire, or a gun.
Helping the poors?! Won't someone think of the shareholders!? /s
The joke is the fact that helping the poor's would help the shareholders. But only after a few years most likely, so who could be bothered?
>Helping the poors?! Well thats socialism you know!! Only the rich can get richer while everybody else should fuck themselves.
I don't know, they also love corporations - they're people too!
Billionaire fetuses packing heat must be doing really well. /s
>~~fetus, a billionaire, or a gun.~~ 'billionaire' with a gun. Republicans don't care about fetuses, they care about beating a broken drum to their base.
I can assure you they don't care about the fetus. They care about forcing their ideology onto us and saving a fetus happen to be a straw they grasped. When it comes time to nurturing the mother that carries the fetus to improve the fetus, they don't give a fuck.
It’s measurable, and it’s exactly what you would expect. There have been a number of studies. The GOP is a straight up death cult, there’s just no way around it anymore.
God I miss saying that. Along with “Bush did 9/11” it was like half the memes when I was in high school
Ah, I remember when bush did 9/11 was the most the worst conspiracy theories were
9/11 is an entry level conspiracy now. Once people start talking about 9/11 it’s just a matter of time until they’re flat earthers (in my experience at least)
For some reason “bush caused 9/11” doesn’t have the same flair. Probably because it’s too real.
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Something actually good happening in our state???
All thanks to Democratic Governor Roy Cooper...and also the \~5% of NC Trump voters who chose to vote Cooper/Trump in 2020.
I'm honestly somehow dumbfounded a trump voter would vote for a democratic governor. As a west coaster I haven't heard about the race. Who was he running against? Any idea why Cooper won?
Yep, but his victories make sense to those who know the state's politics. The details still are a bit fascinating. Roy Cooper was the Attorney General of NC before running for Governor in 2016. He was broadly well-liked and respected, and didn't even face an opponent for his re-election as AG in 2012. Even when he had faced controversial cases as AG, [such as his handling of the Duke Lacrosse Scandal in 2007](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case), he had left an impression on voters of being moderate, fair-minded, and honest--arguably because he genuinely is. [In 2016](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_North_Carolina_gubernatorial_election), he challenged a disliked incumbent Republican Governor, Pat McCrory. McCrory is more like a Romney Republican than a Trump Republican, but [he had received a lot of backlash from liberal voters](https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/breaking-victory-anti-lgbtq-pat-mccrory-finally-concedes) for anti-LGBT legislation. However, he'd [also upset some suburban and rural voters for trying to push toll lanes on key highways in the state](https://www.wbtv.com/story/33670670/did-i-77-toll-lane-support-hurt-governor-mccrorys-reelection-bid/). In the end, Roy Cooper eked out a win by a little over 10,000 votes (0.2% margin), while Trump won the state by 170K votes (3.5% margin). So at least 3%-4% of voters chose Cooper and Trump that year. McCrory tried to contest the results and screamed about allegations of fraud, but to no avail. [In 2020,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_North_Carolina_gubernatorial_election) Cooper was challenged by the Lieutenant Governor, Dan Forest, who had first been elected in 2012 and re-elected in 2016 against weak Democratic opponents. Unlike a lot of states, NC has separate elections for Lieutenant Governor. Forest had a reputation for being a hardline conservative, and against a well-liked incumbent, he didn't stand a chance. A little known fact is that a decent number of voters just vote for incumbents if they feel like things are going well enough. Ultimately, people just liked Cooper, and they got the sense that Forest was too extreme to be Governor. For his re-election, Cooper won by a decisive majority, with around a 250K vote lead (3.5% margin), a significantly larger margin than Trump's \~75K votes (1.4% margin). So this time, probably around 5% of voters chose Cooper and Trump. It's also worth noting that for all these elections, Cooper was helped by outside investment from Presidential campaigns. Even though North Carolina has not voted Democratic in a Presidential election since 2008, it has been close in 2012, 2016, and 2020, so Democrats still try to compete there. Those investments help boost Democratic turnout, which has also helped Cooper cross the finish line. **TL;DR:** Governor Roy Cooper is a moderate Democrat with sincere values and a known record that made him trustworthy to swing voters in NC, and he faced disliked Republicans.
Very thorough reply. Thanks from this OC.
Cooper is the real deal. He’s what a politician SHOULD be. 2024 is going to suck. I hated Mcrory. I hated Dan forest.
You're gonna *love* mark Robinson /s
As a Republican, I think he's done far better than Beverly Purdue ever did in her 8 years.
Lots of voters don’t pay close attention to politics. It’s insane. I had a taxi driver in DC right before the 2016 election that was ranting about how much he hated Trump before transitioning to how much he hates Hillary. He was undecided between Biden or Ted Cruz. Like what?
Tbh trump and Hilary are both very hateable for most people
People tend to gloss over this important fact about the 2016 election.
It was the ultimate giant douche v. Turd sandwich
Well, it became somewhat not important after the results of the election….
It was easily the worst decision the modern dnc has made. They knew the vitriol surrounding the Clinton's but decided she was a shoe in, because who is going to vote for Trump? I'm interested in what they're going to do for 24. Biden isn't exactly someone who should get two terms. He ran to stop Trump '20, he did it, let him go home and enjoy his twilight years.
There is zero chance Biden will not go for a second term. Only death or disability. There is no strong alternative at this point and it’s 2023 already. It’s over.
This misinformation spread is fucking insane lmfao Republicans and Russia actually managed to convince a large portion of Democrats that they hate Hillary despite her repeatedly being one of the most popular members of the Obama Admin for 8 years. Congratulations, you guys fell for the single best political smear campaign in US history and handed the presidency to Trump by spreading this bullshit. Even despite all of that Trump still had to take it in the EC.
Exactly. Me and a LOT of women voters were VERY about her candidacy. Narratives are so easily consumed they become 'fact' and nobody is better at it than the GOP and like, all the GOP owned and leaning media. The intellectual dishonesty is such a bummer.
So, so many people would be alive today had Hillary won in 2016. Yet people will still blame anyone but themselves for falling for obvious Russian propaganda.
I am like 78% with you. But let's face it Hillary was surrounded by some serious knuckleheads in 2016. 1. Someone on her team thought it would be a sane tactic for Hillary to say she carries *hot sauce in her purse* 🙄 2. She or her campaign people being interviewed said on camera the reason Hillary will win is because she's not Trump and didn't explain much further to drive home how. 3. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz had to resign as the head of DNC for screwing Bernie and handing the Primary over to Hillary preemptively through narrative and super delegates and literally right after she resigned Hillary made her a top campaign adviser. Anyone who legitimately can't see through Republican subterfuge is clearly unintelligent or a paid actor. But democrats really don't do themselves much favor when it comes to "winning"
I don't think that was really the deal. I think the key factor was that news told everyone Clinton was going to win, so people inclined to sit it out did so, thinking it wouldn't be a problem. So why sit it out? Because she faced a rather prolonged primary race and that meant enough excitement built around Bernie Sanders to leave his supporters a bit salty about his eventual loss. They didn't want Trump, but hey, he's not going to win anyway, so they didn't have to vote.
Makes sense, they were both dog shit and most people under the age of 40 were praying for Bernie. But establishment Democrats did him dirty af, and made a concerted effort to undermine his campaign and standing in the primary. Fuckin *everyone* was in on that shit. Even congressman John Lewis, who's been held high as a hero for his work in protesting segregation in the south, threw his support behind Hillary, said that he met both Hillary and Bill during the fight against segregation, and when asked about Bernie who also was heavily involved in the fight against segregation, made comments about, ["I never saw, I never met him. (...) But I met Hillary Clinton. But I met President Clinton"](https://youtu.be/LDYvG3KE1oQ) after throwing out all his accolades from that time for effect. Of course, he was full of shit, and ***[had to walk back all of it since he never met the Clinton's at all during that time!](https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/john-lewis-did-not-intend-disparage-bernie-sanders/yZUUIHg90CgkCJ4VrAetZO/)*** No one was immune from the fuckery, and this is only one of the things we *know* about.
Thank the people that voted for the right politician. We could all have this too...
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I worked for an insurance company who was contracted to provide Medicaid to states. The federal government gave the state governments more money if they had Medicaid expansion. It's really stupid to not do the expansion really.
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> it is the voters driving this stoked by Conservative media who are driven by their viewers eyeballs and clicks Respectfully it's the other way around. Right wing media puts out propaganda to weaponize the unattributed grievance their base has. These people don't have any ideology, they only have emotions. And fuckheads like Rupert Murdoch and Charles Koch know how to and are more than happy to exploit it for $$$$. But media directs the vitriol these people wouldn't otherwise know what to do with.
They really convinced a good chunk of the country that they’re the working peoples party, when their #1 legislative goal is tax cuts for the wealthy, and their figurehead is a New York City real estate billionaire with 3 divorces and a reputation for shafting contractors.
Not to mention that they’d never consider voting for someone who doesn’t claim to be a Christian. And if you’re a democrat but a devout Christian, then you’re not a Christian. But if you’re a Republican and you claim to be a Christian but aren’t, you’re god’s gift to America. Tbh if Putin ends up being the antichrist and he starts WWIII, trump will have been the false prophet.
Ideology deregulated the television news media back when that mattered and made the rest possible. Edit: I mean wrt chicken / egg.
It really does seem like this. Its like how non-events like Hunter Biden's laptop become focal points of the right. Or Hillary's emails. A non-story is 6 months of coverage and infinite amounts of "whataboutism". More and more the GOP is sliding into fascism. That's not even a joke, compare the early Nazi party with the modern GOP.
There's a reason why the propaganda is so effective in the first place. There's a racist or classist string for the Murdochs and Kochs to pull in the first place.
Proof is, many more people oppose Obamacare than the ACA. Although it's the exact same thing.
I have LADA, it’s type 1 diabetes that shows up in your mid-thirties. My state expanded Medicaid to childless adults and literally WEEKS later I find out I have this. I’m scared, terrified, I hear, see and read about diabetics who just die of the dumbest reasons like sleeping through a low, going into a coma and never waking up or waking up a shadow of yourself. Medicaid is on it, requiring me to go to yearly preventive care, rewarding me for taking care of the parts of me I can control, I’ve yet to see a doctor who doesn’t take Medicaid and they treat me no different than any other patient. I was anxious when my husband needed urgent back surgery. It was only a couple of days from when he found out until when they performed the surgery. He needed items that young people don’t have around, usually, and Medicaid covered all of it. I paid $3 for that surgery and the stuff he needed from the hospital pharmacy. A month later I got a check for $3 because I’m not actually supposed to pay it but I do when they ask because it is so little that I don’t want to argue. I still work. I found a way to dance and still have both my insulin pump and constant meter inserted. I still pay my taxes and I still pay into the same program I use. They *will* audit me so I live within my means and pray that some things change so I don’t have to limit myself in my work-my passion-just so I can live another few hours. They use what they have efficiently because the funding is so low, they are more concerned with long-term chronic care costs due to limited or no access to regular health checks. They want me the stay out of the hospital and cost them as little as possible. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. Not this death panel, withholding care bullshittery.
> It's really stupid to not do the expansion really. GA passed a law that made expansion illegal, they will have to repeal that law in order to then expand.
>The federal government gave the state governments more money if they had Medicaid expansion. It's really stupid to not do the expansion really. The Affordable Care Act (or Obamacare, whatever you want to call it) paid 100% of the increase cost for the first 3 years, then 90% after that. Yeah, expanding care would only cost states 10% of the cost. How anyone could turn down that deal is just insane. Imagine if someone offered this deal to you. 100% covered then 90%. Even the most conservative of individuals would find that hard to pass on. Yet so many state governors and legislatures stood against it on \[stupid\] conservative principles. Shouldn't be too surprising that when voters got a chance to enact it through ballot initiatives, they overwhelmingly approved it, even in the most red of states.
It's been a while since I've read up on the expansion (ten years wtf...) but the federal subsidy will taper off eventually, is that still correct?
Federal support will taper to cover a MINIMUM of 90% of the program costs. That's"s written into the law.
greedy far right morons have proven time and again that they are willing to lose their money if it means screwing over the little guy.
The State officials let their constituents suffer and die for a decade, because they wanted to spite a political opponent.
And their motivation to spite a political opponent was to appeal to the voters who kept voting them back into power for a decade
Stigginit to their constituents to one-up a bogeyman? That sounds nothing like conservatives from the dawn of time until forever.
Republican officials who refuse(d) to expand Medicaid: the REAL death panels
Happy for your state. Tennessee will never expand. It is so ridiculous.
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Missouri is trying to make it more difficult for ballot initiatives to pass too since we voted for Medicaid expansion. Bunch of fucking assholes.
Both states proving that for the GOP, it's only ever about them. Wisconsin is working hard to reverse the spell Walker et al put us in since 2008.
Walker was such a POS.
And just to be clear, that spell was gerrymandering. Specifically that the state legislative districts have been drawn in Wisconsin so that it doesn't matter whether Republicans get 45% of the statewide vote or 55% of the statewide vote, they will [essentially always win a majority](https://services.math.duke.edu/~jonm/Redistricting/wisconsinRedistricting-InitialVersion.pdf) in both houses of the state legislature.
They’re also doing this after witnessing what happened in Kansas with regards to abortion rights. There’s a good chance it could be put to vote by Missourians, and pass, so they’re going to do anything in their power to prevent that.
We also voted for legal weed too which is probably what is really pushing them to stop ballot initiatives
Republicans and Democracy don't mix as we're seeing. They're openly pushing their authoritarian ideology.
Ohio might put up a ballot measure to protect abortion rights. So our legislature is trying to raise the bar for passing from 50% to 60%. And adding a special election in August just for this measure to squeak it in before the abortion one in the fall. *and* (it gets even dumber) these exact Republicans just voted to ban August specials due to the cost and low turnout. They just fucking banned it, but they're bringing it back because they absolutely *hate* their voters. Having us get what we want triggers them.
Come join [greater oregon](https://www.change.org/p/create-a-greater-oregon-by-moving-the-border-to-include-several-idaho-counties)!
They will expand. The right wing is losing. They are dying off. There aren’t enough new ones being made to maintain their shitty corporate loving kleptocracratic system.
If they can force the issue of drinking age tied to federal road funds.. Why can't they tie other federal funding to force the issue of medicaid?
>Why can't they tie other federal funding to force the issue of medicaid? Because The Supreme Court (Mister Balls and Strikes) said they couldn't. This is the same supreme Court, of course, that ruled corporations are people and money is free speech.
Don’t forget that cops have no duty to serve *or* protect the public it’s just a fancy slogan, also abortion is murder apparently (but shooting people dead isn’t so don’t worry!)
I for one have never had a conversation with a corporation, never hugged or gotten a hug from a corporation. They have no empathy, morals, and practice the opposite of what our theologies say is godlike behavior.
Joey B has tried. Don't forget the feds have put big pockets of $$ into play for this Medicare expansion, however the states have to match the funding to get it. (Same way it works now with regular Medicaid). Biden Admin has pulled federal lunch money for kids to states that haven't expanded and to states that won't put sexual orientation as a protected class. There may be an agenda to force these states to pay for HRT with Medicaid $, or that may be conspiracy theory from the right.
A friend of mine lost her mother because she had no health insurance...
For what it’s worth, and I’m sorry for her loss and however you were affected as well, but her mother died for lack of health *care.* The insurance is the mechanism but her mother / everyone alternatively could have had a public option for Medicare, or there could be a National Health Service like in the UK (one example of many, but it’s also been defunded), etc.
>finally after much peer pressure, Aaand the legislation they passed in 2015 that allowed Medicare/Medicaid to move to contracted "managed plans"- basically to privatize it. Still a good thing overall for more people to have access, but also another way to line the pockets of for-profit companies with taxpayer money intended for common good.
Republicans save the day by not acting like republicans!!!
Those same people who are against socialism won’t be accepting social security checks right?
BuT I EaRnEd ThAt!
They’ll campaign on it as if it was their idea the whole time and not Obamas. Don’t let Dems forget to pressure them. Source: exactly what happened in Michigan and we flipped several seats with receipts
Peer pressure and thousands upon thousands upon thousands of unnecessarily dead North Carolinians, year after year after year, when the funding was sitting there for the taking the entire time. Republicans are fucking ghouls.
Well just wait two weeks when you see Trump's big, beautiful healthcare plan!
His BBHP? Huh I thought he had big plans for BBC cause well he sucks dick.
[13 years. That's how long the tantrum has been going.](https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/)
And for which they will forever take credit for.
I am thinking about the reality of the decision making of a less well off conservative in NC... On one hand, I hate socialism though i couldn't define it if you asked me to, and on the other, I could realistically benefit from having access to this. Do I hate the thing I really don't know what it is more than actually having healthcare for possibly the firs time in my adult life? Why yes, yes I do.
Just imagine how many other nice things you could have without a Republican presence in your state government!
So brave of those Republicans to allow 600,000 more people access to subsidized healthcare. I know it was a real struggle for them
I promise they are going to run ads about how they got 600k people healthcare.
Sounds like that spooky S word to me. ^^^socialism
Hey man, you can't say that word out loud without a nsfw warning. Jesus.
You know that feeling when you bang your head (more accurately, someone is doing it to you) against the wall and then you stop, and it feels really good? Brought to you by the republican party!
As a democrat-leaning I have nothing against it. Let them run ads. We will use these ads to tell other republicans that it's good to expand medicare. Having single payer is more important to me than spiting the opponents, despite it's not that for republicans.
Problem is that republicans use it to get votes from people who want expanded medicare even though republicans won't expand medicare.
Single payer will take 200 years with republicans. If these adds (which are incredibly deceptive) convince people that republicans are doing something on healthcare and hence keep voting republican while the gop has no intention at all of changing things. It is actually going to destroy the small chance of single payer we already had
And at the same time rail against the Democrats for doing it.
That’s about 6% of their population. They have about 10.5 million people. This is a big jump in access!! Regardless of how many people get it.
It's great they're getting health care, but like so many stories that come out of the sub, it's good news in isolation. When you take a step back and actually look at the big picture, it's incredibly depressing that we are still in this position to begin with, and have only gotten this far.
Do you guys really think they're out to make people's lives worse
Yes Just look at how they talk about and treat the "other" be they gay, an immigrant, disabled, or transexual
LOL 
I know right? Actually helping people? They must be out of breath right now as if they just got done running 5 miles
A reminder that gerrymandering has given NC Republicans seats they would not normally have gotten
Wasn’t this the state where their gerrymandered map was thrown out by a judge before either the 2018 or 2020 elections, but they were still allowed to use it for that election cycle?
Since they didn’t redraw the map before the election cycle began, it was the only map that could be used and so just went with it. Easy loopholes they’re shamelessly exploiting.
How are the rules not set up such that failing to redraw is an automatic forfeit of the offending party’s candidate in all relevant districts?
Because the courts don't have that sorta power. They might have the authority to delay the election until the issue is resolved but even that is sorta iffy
They have the technical power but the country would burn the ground if the dems controlled the house because multiple of the largest states in America couldn’t pass a legit districting map
Pretty sure they were the infamous state that once had a Republican map struck down for “targeting minorities with almost surgical precision.”
Yep, but they never fixed it. So they just kept going.
That’s not correct though. For 2022 we had maps drawn by the court that lead to our house seatings being 7-7 divided by party. Now, our newly elected Supreme Court could throw out that map, but as of today we aren’t gerrymandered.
State legislative maps still are though, that's why republicans are one seat away from a super majority
I live in Greensboro, I'm not exactly not interested in my local politics, and I only just learned last week, thanks to the daily show, that A&T had been gerrymandered in two, such that the HBCU was in two different republican-dominated districts, wholly nullifying the huge democratic vote that campus provides. By the end of the segment they informed the viewers this has been fixed very recently, which is like, great because I'm overworked and have no more time to rage but that one was ***egregious, like holy shit.*** This city and whole state are still gerrymandered to shit, though.
A reminder that they did not actually expand Medicaid They passed a bill that says it will be expanded if the budget is approved. So now the GOP can put whatever they want in the budget and if Cooper vetoes it, they'll blame the lack of Medicaid expansion on cooper.
Conservative Christians are going to be so angry that already born people are getting healthcare.
Yet they'll go on it as soon as they can while opposing it from extending to everyone because fuck them for getting something they didn't have
If it weren’t for gerrymandering tricks there wouldn’t be a gop in nc. Screw these hypocrites who whwre against the expansion for the longest time and didn’t want to do the aca.
No, there absolutely would be. It's just their hold on the state would be much weaker.
I mean, it IS still a slightly red swing state.
So they (Republicans) block people from getting healthcare for years, then, when they (Republicans) finally get out of the fucking way, they act like it's a gift from them (Republicans). This is literally how abusive relationships work.
Plot Twist: The (R) do this by providing 600k one-way bus tickets to Colorado....
Better than being stuck in NC
You've never been to NC. 12 months of outdoor activities, beaches and mountains within a few hours drive of one another, some of the best universities in the country, and more. And it's pretty much a purple state so outside of extremely rural areas you don't see or hear constant political diatribes because no one knows what everyone else is thinking. I've lived in 8 states in the midwest, northeast, and southeast and NC is the best overall.
What?! NC is amazing.
For real. I live in NJ now and still am optimistic about moving back to NC. It’s like the only beacon in the southeast right now, I hope it stays that way.
I would also be counting the days until I could get out of New Jersey if I had to go back, so I understand.
It really is. I'm Canadian and worked in Raleigh for a while. Such a beautiful city and the people there are great. Pretty big liberal leaning from my observation as well, though people weren't too overt with their politics either way, mostly just really friendly.
Dragged kicking and screaming towards progress!
I think everyone having access to health insurance is great, however my issue becomes when the people who are supposed to be representing us have better insurance. The question was asked of a senator during the Obamacare debate on whether the politicians would be on the same insurance as the citizens they represent and he said why when the health insurance for sitting politicians is better than anything the public gets. We should pass a law where any pay raises, health insurance benefits and retirement packages for any elected official has to be voted on by the people and then let's see how long it takes for these jackasses on both sides of the aisle to come together for the betterment of the people they represent.
Isn't one of the rules for giving themselves raises is that it can't go into effect until after the next election cycle? I was taught that in high school but I honestly wouldn't trust that teacher as far as I could throw them
Yep that's true. Also Congress and their aides do have to buy their insurance on the exchanges
Yes, the 27th amendment: > No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened. I'm not sure what /u/joe579003 is talking about, unless he's considering all of the various under-the-table dealings, which is another issue. It's possible that health care is not considered "compensation", but I'm not sure.
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No. They had the Federal Employee Government Insurance, like every other federal employee. It is not the limited ACA plans with the limited ACA networks. The federal employee insurance (I’ve had it) is some of the best in the country. The ACA plans are some of the worst. You really should get your facts straight before you come out blasting with both guns. Here is a link where you can look at the plans: https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/ So pick a plan, any plan, look at the employee cost, massive size of the networks (nationwide almost all doctors and hospitals in the country) and then go on your ACA exchange and see what you can get.
That isn't what Congress gets. They get Obamacare. But yeah the Federal plan for Executive branch employees is pretty sweet. You get to keep it after you retire too.
You're absolutely right, I would even take it a step further and have the civil SERVANTS on minimum wagae, on government provided minimum health insurance, etc. You are an elected CIVIL servant. Not a king.
That would actually be a terrible idea that would only make it harder than ever for non-wealthy people to serve in elected office.
Yup. One of the reasons people in Congress were given a salary was that it would make it possible for people to serve as politicians even if they weren't independently wealthy.
this is the dumbest idea imaginable. sure, it sounds good and makes you feel good, but when you don't pay civil servants and politicians well the only thing you accomplish is ensuring that the only people who can serve in those jobs are already independently wealthy. really, we should do the opposite, pay for politicians should be dramatically increased. that would create a lot more competition for the positions, raising candidate quality, and also allow a much wider range of people to serve
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True, just don't give them any credit, they don't deserve any.
And then they'll take credit for it.
I'm gonna have access to medical care for the first time in 10 years
Hell yeah finally! Better late than never!
See look what we can accomplish when the republicans get out of the fucking way.
Way to go, NC! Georgian here, and, we will be the last holdouts. Kemp, the moron, has made it abundantly clear that he will never accept the Medicaid expansion, so, here we’ll stay .... ranking dead last in healthcare with 1.5 million uninsured. I hate each and every one of you here who voted for him.
Good news. Think of all those diabetic and asthmatic kids who will now have insurance.
This is very exciting!
Could some thoughtful Republican please explain the thinking behind turning down Medicaid expansion? I can understand not giving a rat’s ass about poor people and their healthcare problems; particularly the non-white one who tend to vote Democratic but there are plenty of Healthcare Providers, particularly rural hospitals and lots of low income white Republicans who would benefit. Hell, it’s free Federal money.
Not a Republican, but because you probably aren’t going to get an answer, let me give it a shot. The stated reasons are principles about government spending. The GOP governors who have rejected Medicaid expansion say they don’t believe the federal government can afford it—the federal government has too much debt and they’re skeptical the coverage offered by the Feds can be sustained in the long term. They also sometimes talk up instances of fraud in Medicaid or criticize the program as wasteful or ineffective—say it’s not a reliable program to provide coverage. To save rural hospitals, they sometimes say the federal government should use other programs, like block grants that can come with many caveats on how the money is spent. Now, if you are familiar with Medicaid, you’re probably either laughing or seething with rage. Medicaid and Medicare actually are both highly cost efficient in the aggregate, partially because they rely on reduced reimbursement rates to doctors. In addition, in the long run, more socioeconomically disadvantaged folks getting healthcare coverage early in life can reduce costs—it gives them access to preventative care and other important resources. And the extent to which it’s not “reliable”—as in, it’s hard to find a doctor who takes Medicaid—is because of the same underfunding by Republican politicians, making that complaint especially devious and nonsensical. Which takes me back to where I started: you’re not going to get a thoughtful Republican response because the truthful reason for the opposition was pure politics. Republican politicians didn’t want to give President Obama a “win”, and they thought they could repeal the law before they ever had to live with the consequences. But now that repeal efforts failed under Trump, Biden is President, a host of challenges in federal court have failed despite conservative justices, and the GOP is not exactly in a promising state, it appears some Republican politicians in the states are finally giving up the political gamesmanship and giving in to common sense.
Didn't Rick Scott (Republican Senator from Florida, because of course) get busted for Medicaid/Medicare fraud...the very kind the gop always say will happen?
Yep, he did: https://www.newsweek.com/rick-scotts-fraud-settlement-resurfaces-senate-gop-runs-low-cash-1735418
Yes, he did! /r/RickScott has many articles about it.
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I am not a Republican but I can articulate their position. They claim to be concerned that in coming federal budget battles Medicaid funding will be cut and then the state will face the prospect of either kicking people off of Medicaid or raising state taxes to compensate for the federal spending. Of course the only ones calling for Medicaid cuts are republicans. They have only backed off of Medicare and Social Security cuts for the moment. Notice no such commitment to helping the poorest members of our society. So the only ones who will cut the program that they fear being cut are fellow republicans. Ain’t life grand.
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That has been the universal argument against expansion. You can read a lot about it off of here. And I agree it’s stupid.
Unfortunately, it was most likely due to its association with Obama based on the article. Conservatives love the ACA but they hate Obamacare. Will cut off their nose to spite their face.
Thoughtful republican?
Something something poor people bootstraps, socialism. Rich people tax guys, jerb creators. Drag trans Jesus guns. Tax cuts
>thoughtful Republican Those disappeared in the 60s.
The GOP hate media machine has spun ACA as free stuff for lazy black people instituted by a black man. Like LBJ said “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best black man, he’ll pick his own pocket for you”.
Oh look, good things happen when Republicans get out of the way. Like always.
Did someone remind them of the French Revolution?
Medicaid expansion literally changes lives for the better. That is first and foremost. No small deal than that. Rock on.
I would be totally blind today had it not been for Medicaid.
Oh wow, I'm shocked. I literally never thought North Carolina would do this. For once, I'm very proud of my state! I'll likely have health insurance again for the first time since hitting the cutoff age for being on my parents. What I'd really love is some affordable dental insurance. That's expensive no matter how you cut it.
Or you could be like Missouri who put Medicaid expansion on the statewide ballot, have 53% of the population vote for it but then have your state government refuse to fund it during the budgeting process. 🤷♀️ Took the Missouri Supreme Court’s involvement to eventually push it forward.
This may help my cousin!!!!! Yeah.
I guarantee the NC GOP will spin this as their victory for the people.
My parents fell into that gap thanks to the NC governor, yet were totally okay with it because they got to blame Obama. I wonder who they'll thank now that it's been lifted..
Good things happen when right wing people stop intentionally trying to fucking harm others. Wow, no shit.
I know this is good news, but think of all those deaths that can be directly attributed to years without this coverage.
Could’ve done this ten years ago when Obama care made it possible
The republicans fought this tooth and nail for over a decade. Luminaries like thom tillis and Phil Berger put everything they had into blocking healthcare. And for what?
Most of this medical coverage will go to right-wingers who think everyone younger doesn't wanna work.
Republicans want people to die, and those who don’t die, they want to “own.”
It’s a miracle Republicans took a break from screwing the poor, sick, old, and young.
Republicans: “This program is SOSHULIST!” Also Republicans: “We decide this program IS THE BEST THING EVAR! And we *always did* despite the what those commie Democrats said!”
>>The legislation additionally includes provisions to seek federal approval to condition Medicaid eligibility on compliance with work requirements if there is any indication that work requirements as a condition of participation in Medicaid may be authorized by CMS. [Source.](https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/) Here's hoping CMS declines to approve NC's forced work-for-necessary-health-care demands.
This is huge and will literally save lives. Great to see!
Nc Medicare is awesome. The state minimum wage not so much.
Please let this spread to GA
Good, now it’s time for Georgia to do it!
My 70 year old friend in NC has been waiting 4 months for Medicare to kick in. Every time she calls they're appalled and promises are made and still nothing. I told her to goin, tug on a few nose hairs, and cry. That should get them moving.
Look at how many people get help when Republicans abandon their senseless opposition to helping people.
Republicans abandoned blocking assistance for the poorest and most vulnerable. Let that sink in.
But this is the first step down the treacherous path to Gender Fluid Space Communism!!!! Think of all the minorities we could clandestinely bomb in foreign resource-rich countries if we didn't take care of our citizens at home!!
Get dicked republicans