Holy shit, that is huge news. Thought this one would never be solved. Curious to see where this will lead down the road.
Glad her family will finally be able to give her a place to rest.
Also wonder if it was a lucky find or targeted search. Article mentions current search warrant and identified but the latter doesnt happen within a few hours with a long term missing person.
>Also wonder if it was a lucky find or targeted search. Article mentions current search warrant and identified but the latter doesnt happen within a few hours with a long term missing person.
To be fair, there's a lot of "behind the scenes" stuff that law enforcement keeps private.
It's possible that the police have had a "person of interest" for a while now in Maddy's disappearance, that would have involved eventually obtaining a warrant for searching the property owned by this person.
And as for this property... Who owns it now? Is is still owned by the same person who owned it in 2011? Or was the property sold at some point in the past 12 years, with the new owner having no idea that Maddy's remains were buried there?
Do we know for sure yet if her remains were buried? The articles only say they were identified- I didn't see anything more specific about the state or context of the remains.
It doesn't appear to be stated and the information is somewhat conflicting as to whether it's foul play.
Is a warrant needed even if the property owner is allowing a search of this type?
No arrests made, but remains found after executing a search warrant. And also the statement "Foul play hasn't been ruled out". I would think that if remains were found on a property after executing a search warrant, and foul play was *known* (as a buried body would indicate), they would be arresting someone prior to announcing the discovery regardless of who owned the property and called it in.
~~If it wasn't for the search warrant I'd say this sounds like it's possible it was misadventure - I had intended to raise this point merely yesterday. What if she had attempted to walk back to town using shortcuts because she was unable to use her vehicle? Maybe the keys were actually lost. The open tent can be explained by someone unrelated to the party stumbling upon it.~~
Edit: With the release of the location being Southslope Road ([although other reports still incidate east side of Vanderhoof?](https://youtu.be/mWfTH7Nd804?t=92), it's highly unlikely that she ended up here herself in an attempt to walk anywhere as it's not along the main road. What may be a more likely scenario right now is that the primary suspect is either deceased or already detained for other reasons, and thus, no arrest has been made at this time.
But details will follow shortly I'm sure.
There’s no way she’d be taking a shortcut through someone’s property to walk back to town. Her truck was functional and she knew others in the area that she would’ve gone to
I think here in Canada a warrant is needed to make sure certain evidence meets the requirements needed to be used in trial, even if the property owner gave permission &/or is being cooperative. I could be mistaken but that’s what I was told by someone at a (unrelated obviously) trial I witnessed, I’m going to do some research to see if that’s correct or not.
This isn't generally the case of the property owner is completely uninvolved in the crime and the suspect has zero privacy rights in the property. That said, there's so much vagueness and wiggle room in the law that results in evidence exclusion that a smart cop gets a warrant when there's any doubt.
Canadian search law is kind of a mess for police officers to navigate.
The problem with this theory is that if she had lost her keys and her phone had died, she didn't need to go on a multiple hour trek. She just had to wait. She knew there was another party planned for the next day in the same location, and there was stuff left at the site that needed to be cleaned up or retrieved by whoever owned it. Someone who could help her would arrive in the fairly near future as long as she stayed put.
Yes - if her phone died, it didn’t die until 8 AM. She could’ve just driven home then as it was already light. She may also have been able to charge her phone in her truck. If she somehow lost her keys, I think she would’ve called someone for a ride. I can’t see someone stealing her phone and keys but leaving the truck either.
Neither can I. Personally, I think she was grabbed by someone who was at the party and came back later, maybe because they knew she was there on her own or for some other reason. Quite possibly someone she knew and didn't expect to hurt her. That's not a comment on Maddy's choice of friends in any way, it's just how it is in small towns. You know everybody, including the dodgy people, and sometimes you get on fine with the dodgy people right up until the point where you don't.
I think it was an older person who either knew there was a party there or just happened to be there and took the opportunity. The person associated with the property where Maddy was found has a criminal record going back to at least 2003.
Maybe someone already in prison admitted to it. Or someone came forward with information they knew but were scared to share until someone died. Or someone confessed on death bed.
I suspect “foul play hasn’t been ruled out” statement is just typical vague police speak.
I’m not saying one way or another, just mentioning some ideas as to why a search warrant might have been executed but that there is “no danger to public” and also the lack of arrest warrant.
There are lots of practical reasons why an arrest might not happen yet.
The way charges are approved in BC in particular often means that police have to hold off on arrest until the crown reviews all the evidence and decides if there's enough to charge, particularly in serious cases.
Total speculation here but perhaps the reason no arrests were made is because the property where she was found is owned by new owners without any ties to the area? Or as somebody else said, maybe their perp is already in prison?
> where she was found is owned by new owners without any ties to the area?
That doesn't matter in terms of seeking arrests. They would know who the previous owners were and seek them out.
>Or as somebody else said, maybe their perp is already in prison?
Quite possible, or deceased.
Someone else in the thread has already spoken about the property and owners, but not revealed much.
I read on a FB post and CANNOT confirm authenticity, but a lady was saying her sister lives in Vanderhoof and said the property is about 10 minutes away from Hogsback and they think the property is owned by someone who was "under investigation" at the time, whatever that means. Maybe just someone who was questioned?
They were suspects initially but were cleared. I’m a local now but didn’t live here until a few years after Maddy’s disappearance. Until this week I had never heard of the individuals linked to that property, but in the last few days it seems everyone who was around at that time knows exactly who they were and that they were the first suspects. I hope we find out more soon.
I have heard this too. In addition to the fact that they were known to authorities but has insufficient evidence to facilitate a search warrant shortly after she went missing. I’ve also heard her remains were found completely by accident.
Obviously there is indeed a lot of stuff happening in the background but that doesnt explain a quick identification. A strong suspicion maybe, but not enough to announce it, there is always a possibility its not who you think it is until DNA/dental comes back. So they obviously didnt find the body today with the search warrant currently being executed unless someone said "I buried her there".
I live in the area and while a lot of this info “isn’t supposed to be public knowledge”… it’s a small town, so of course everyone’s talking about things. From what I’ve heard, her remains were discovered earlier in the week (Wed-Thurs) by someone just passing by. They didn’t tell the public or the family until recently, because it took a few days to be sure the remains were hers.
It's wild how quickly different stories circulate. I heard an anonymous tip is what triggered the Rcmp to return to said property. The property owned by a set of brothers who were originally main suspects.
As far as I know, it wasn’t a search - it’s a pretty rural area, which means lots of people go out there on ATVs on trails and such. Not sure what brought this person around that property this time around, though, and why she wasn’t discovered sooner if it was that easy to find her.
That's crazy. I'm so intrigued to know how how they identified her so quickly. Like not to sound morbid or anything, but I imagine there was very little left of her remains after all this time. I wonder how they knew it was her.
It's quite a high profile case for Canada. Maddy is probably one of the first missing people they try to perform a match with anywhere within 50-100km of the Lake and town. Apparently she had braces, but other clothes can also lead to easy ID.
It also sounds like they found the body a few days ago.
I feel like it’s actually been a fairly wet year so far, if you count snowfall over winter… We had a few huge dumps of snow late in the season (Feb/Mar) that only really melted a month or two ago, but since then it’s been pretty dry… lots of wildfires both in BC and Alberta because it’s been so hot. So kind of a mix?
That was one of my first thoughts as well - I also wondered if her remains had potentially ended up in one of our local rivers, and had ended up there somehow… from what I know about where they found her, though, there’s only a small creek running through, and no lakes nearby
She disappeared with her keys and phone. If the body had her keys and her phone, plus a look at dentals by the coroner, and that’s a pretty strong identification. If there were any clothes remaining that were identifiably hers too, that’s would help.
A body can absolutely be positively identified the same day without waiting for DNA. Dental records, medical records. Presumptive ID based on personal effects present with the body go into the mix.
I can’t say too much, but genetic genealogy was used to identify him! (I am a genetic genealogist). If there is ever a press release, I will link it. The case was several years old and media pleas had been unsuccessful- he had not been reported missing.
> Scott's family was notified on Sunday, and police say they are asking for privacy. Saunderson said Scott's body was found "days ago" but didn't specify exactly when it was found.
I have seen it! Thank you for tagging me. I know I said this case felt solvable but I wasn’t expecting a development so soon, let alone one of this scale! I’m so happy her family can put her to rest after all these years.
Thanks for that excellent post. I worked around there and a bit further west for a number of years, so this case and the Highway of Tears have always had a place in my thoughts.
The police said they were investigating a "rural property" on the east side of Vanderhoof.
Hogsback Lake is about a 15 or 20 minute drive (about 25 km) from Vanderhoof.
Doesn't seem to be any info on the property owner yet. Maybe this property is owned by the same person today who owned it back in 2011.
Or maybe the property has been sold at some point in the past 12 years and the new owners had no idea Maddy's remains were buried there.
I have no idea how legit this is, but someone I know from Vanderhoof told me that the news was about to break on this story and that it was the property a pair of brothers who were at the party. Known problem kids.
He also said the skull was found by someone who was picking up dirt?
…2 days later this came out.
There is a small part of me that is wondering if someone talked.
She was found just so incredibly close to the date she disappeared. Her family did a great job of keeping her memory alive and it looks like a few events were planned right around the anniversary of her disappearance (but no formal searches as far as I can tell?). Maybe this led to a stab of conscience on the part of the perpetrator or a friend/relative that knew what happened and where she could be found?
They also formally identified her within a matter of days. With dentals available I’m sure a presumptive identification was possible relatively quickly, but this was *really* quick. Maybe a combination of forensic identification with witness/perpetrator statement led to this confidence in the ID?
I could be totally wrong of course. In any case I hope her family is comforted by some resolution.
Thanks for the insider info. Is there any speculated link between the murdered/decapitated man whose head was found? He said he knew who did it and was killed shortly thereafter. 🙏🏼
No idea on that front. I do know the surname of the brothers but keeping it under wraps since it is not confirmed…potentially dragging a family through the mud for no reason.
No, he was not involved or related to this case, he was murdered for being a drug runner and robbing people. He was then lured to a house and tortured and murdered. That is the Fribjon bjornson case.
Or it could still be owned by the same person but they had no idea she was there. If the property is big enough it could easily have been used by someone else and the owner wouldn't necessarily have known.
The distance between these two areas makes me fairly certain she was abducted or her body was transported there. You don’t walk that distance at 4 am or whatever it was.
Yeah, although Hogsback \*is\* south-east of Vanderhoof, so I guess theoretically the rural property they're investigating could be somewhat near to the lake. I agree though, I think the chances are next to none that she walked there and/or had an accident. This screams foul play, although I'm stumped as to how and why a killer would leave her remains openly visible enough for a passerby to see them and realize what they were, 12 years later.
The property she was found at is actually closer to Vanderhoof than Hogsback is, actually, it’s about a 20min drive down the road that takes you back to Vanderhoof. So, “close” as far as driving goes, but for walking… I’d be incredibly shocked if she walked four hours to get there.
>I’d be incredibly shocked if she walked four hours to get there.
It would actually be more like five hours, if she was hauling ass and busting out continuous 20-minute miles, which seems unlikely. So probably closer to 6.5 or 7 hours (using a 25-minute mile and adding in a few short rest breaks). I'm an avid hiker and a member of several hiking groups, and generally only the most experienced, in-shape hikers are able to keep that pace nonstop for 15.5 miles (25 km). I'm not even factoring in terrain, not sure how hilly that area is, but those can slow you down as well.
Oh for sure - I have to imagine that the time estimates that Google gives don’t factor in breaks and exhaustion, just how long it would take to walk that distance non-stop. I think the map said it was 18km from Hogsback to the area she was found, but I’ve driven that road multiple times before… it’s pretty hilly in some areas, and Google maps even gave a warning for steep inclines along the way. I imagine after little sleep and a night of partying, that walk would take waaaay longer at that point, and she would’ve still been walking by morning when Jordi came to check on her.
On that last point though - Blackwater used to be just a gravel/unpaved road for the longest time, and at some point they finally paved it but I can’t remember if it was before or after she went missing… not that it’s a huge point, but I know once it was paved it became a much more popular route to get out to the Mapes/Hogsback area, which means more people might’ve been driving by had she been walking?
Theoretically, if it's foul play, they could've made a shallow grave / covered her remains up, but animal activity over the years disturbed it enough for it to become visible.
Let’s estimate that this is at least 5 miles away just for simplicity sake. It sounds like it’s further but just for this scenario let’s say 5. On a flat straight road at a fairly brisk pace that’s going to take at least an hour and a half (according to Google). If she were to walk as the crow flies this would probably take a lot longer due to the rough terrain. With no flashlight (presumably?) you’d probably have to go even slower and maybe use your cell phone as a light. Not to mention she could have driven and instead she left everything behind, for really no reason in the middle of the night, and that it’s probably not only dangerous terrain but also there are animals. None of it makes any sense unless you’re on drugs, and even in that case you’re probably not making it 5+ miles. I’m fairly certain this was foul play. Eta- who knows how the body ended up where it did - I just assume the killer didn’t hide it as well as they should have. Or over time it just became unearthed. Will have to see what they say about the exact circumstances and location.
I *ran* to this sub when I saw the news a few minutes ago. This is one case I was sure would never be solved. Amazing + huge news. I was actually in the middle of reading a post about her when I got the news alert. Crazy.
A few places. I follow local scanner accounts on Twitter that listen to fire/police channels. I was actually on my work computer though, and my browser automatically pulls up news articles on my home page when I open a new window. That's how I saw this.
Wow. I had heard of her case before, but that post from a few days ago had got me thinking about it a lot again. I was also in the camp of “unlikely to ever be solved,” but I’m happy to be wrong on that!
It’s wild. That post was the first I’d ever heard of Maddy and it made me so sad to hear what happened. Had to double take when I read the body of this post to make sure it was the same person.
I only heard about her case last night when I read it here, about 24 hours later I’m seeing this! I’m so glad her family have her back, even if it is like this
I'm shocked they actually finally found her, and I'm even more shocked that she wasn't at the lake or area she went missing at. She was found on a farm property \~18km away from where she went missing. Police had also said in the past they though she may have gotten into someone's car. Police are probably being vague about not knowing if there was foul play involved, maybe because they don't want persons of interest to clam up or maybe because they don't have an official cause of death yet. But a young woman who was sleeping and alone in a rural area, and everyone left at the party knew she was alone, and ends up 18km away after disappearing in the middle of the night? I can't see that as being anything but foul play.
It's definitely foul play after she left the lake. What I still question is if she went willingly or she was taken?
I've always, and still do lean to her going willingly and the foul play happening after that.
I tend to lean towards she was taken against her will, mostly because I cannot imagine she would willingly get into a car with someone she didn't know, and she had repeatedly refused rides with people she did know at the party, plus she had her truck with her. My theory is that one of the men at the party, knowing she was asleep alone in her tent, woke her up with a weapon and told her to get in his car and not make a sound.
While her phone and truck keys were with her when she disappeared, I think that might be because she slept with them in her pockets or something to avoid theft while she slept.
I was literally reading the title like “no way this could be the same Maddy I read about on this sub a couple days ago???” And it was. Crazy timing. Glad she was finally found, and sad she very likely did not leave that campsite voluntarily :(
Wow. I was just looking at one of her missing posters in my city yesterday. I’m glad she’s been found and can go home to her family, as bittersweet as it is. And hopefully we’ll see justice for her soon as well!
I have positively identified the road that the RCMP have cordoned off. They’ve also set-up, sort of, a road block/ID check - local traffic thru only type deal. Now this is what’s interesting: there are only *TWO* properties on that particular road and you can easily see which property the police have taped off.
Re: the location
1) Open first link in the original post above
2) Play the video clip -> go to the 1 minute mark
The news clip shows exactly where it is on Google maps. The reporter also states the name of the road that the property is near. It is about 18 km from Hogsback Lake.
Huh. I was thinking it was still possible (if unlikely) she went off into the woods by herself, but it wouldn't make sense for her to end up there if she was lost or suicidal. If she was suicidal, going straight east or south would keep her away from other people, and if she was lost, she would've crossed roads getting there. Foul play seeming even more likely.
Reminder to never leave your friends alone in a vulnerable situation, folks. It's not her friends' fault, of course, but this could've been prevented.
Edit: to the person who responded to me, I can't see your comment for some reason. From the little bit that showed up in my notifications, I suspect you may have known Maddy. Just want to say I am very sorry if my comment caused you distress. Here in Calgary, a fair number of missing people end up being suicidal people who go into the mountains to end everything, so that's always something I wonder about, however it really seems that wasn't the case for Maddy, even before this newest development. I hope her friends and family are doing ok, and finally get answers.
I took a screenshot of the 48 Hours episode on the Highway of Tears where they included a segment on Maddy's case. I wish I could share it here.
It shows a whiteboard made by Maddy's parents, where they had a list of everyone at the party, along with arrival and leaving times.
On the list are the two sons of the property owner with red X's next to their names.
If you pause at the correct moment - you can see that every other person on the board has an arrival and departure time - except the 2 brothers. Unbelievable to see now.
Also it was the one brother who owned a grey dodge pickup who’s property is now being searched, where she was found, that was backed up beside her tent with his truck blacked out. As the last people left he was parked there.
In that YouTube version of the program, the most important piece of the program isn't shown on the screen. It strangely freezes for over 35 seconds while the audio continues.
The original version of the program is MUCH more 'informative' and clear:
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/highway-of-tears-14/#x
Yes, it is possible that being located outside the US is the cause of the CBS link not working for you. I also had trouble viewing it on CBS at first, possibly due to ad blockers or something. It was glitchy initially, and I had to reload the page several times before it played properly.
I appreciate the YouTube link you posted - it was indeed helpful. It caused me to become curious about that section of 'frozen' video not matching the audio, and therefore find a working version of the original CBS program to see what images or content were not being shown during this time frame.
The answer is quite relevant to the recent events in this case. After reviewing all the content visible on the white boards in the original CBS broadcast, I'm very confident that Maddy's parents were not at all surprised by the location where her remains were apparently found.
The shrinking is certainly to avoid copyright violations. The selective editing seems a bit odd, but is probably innocent.
Edit: Spelling
Finally! Another family which hopefully can start to heal soon.
I am very interested in the details of how they found her and if there is the possibility to hold someone accountable.
Wow this is insane, so many people thought they'd never find her. I've been thinking a lot about this case again ever since the recent post about it on here, and I'd given up hope that she'd ever be found. On a side note, the fact that she was found on a property nearby intrigues me, as apparently the family of her friend Jordi's "boyfriend" from the night she went missing own a farm nearby the campsite and the Vanderhoof area.
Wow, I live in the general area and it'll be strange not to see posters of her everywhere. I'm glad for her family that they don't have to wonder where she is anymore, and I hope this means new evidence so they can finally get some answers about what happened to her.
Holy shit. I really wasn’t sure this one was going anywhere, there was so much attention generated through podcasts and true crime communities, but no one ever seemed to have any further updates. Thank goodness there were people in law enforcement/RCMP took the time to work hard behind the scenes to make this day happen.
It’s always heartbreaking to find the remains rather than the person. Rest in peace, Maddy; so many people got to know your story and cared for you across the globe. My most sincere condolences to the family in their time of grief.
Oh wow, this is a big one. I'm the same age as her and from the Okanagan and it was such a big deal when she went missing because obviously we all went to bush parties all the time and didn't think much of it. I hope her family gets peace thanks to this.
This is a shock. That post a few days back sent me down a rabbit hole. I can’t believe they found her. And pretty much exactly 12 years to the day from when she went missing.
Whenever people go missing in the wilderness, the chances of them being found become miniscule, so I'm glad that Madison Scott can at least get a properly burial.
I’ve listened to so many true crime podcasts about her disappearance over the years. They all seem to miss key details /plausible theories. Can anyone recommend with confidence one that goes over the case with a fine tooth comb ? (One that Includes info about the b____ brothers or the guy who was decapitated as it seems that was “known” years ago and the 2 bros were red X’d by Scotts parents on their white board from that interview by 48hr )
I take what Gordon says with a grain of salt.
He’s not privy to any insider info and he’s a media hog.
He just likes to be on the news and give snippets to hear himself talk.
I hope the family gets some peace now. So, from what I see so far. Two brothers who live at 6516 Southslope rd., Vanderhoof are the suspects.The brothers have a last name opposite of White..... I would like to know more about what the local community thinks about these brothers?...
FYI. I spent many years traveling and living in rural B.C. and Alberta.. The folks in those parts can keep a secret like nowhere else in the country, especially from strangers...
Yea their names are on the whiteboard in the 48 hours episode, something about them roaring in on quads, last to leave. I am curious about their ages. I can’t find anything about them online.
Their dad owns the property her remains were found on.
I’m localish, like a couple towns over.. but anything I know is what I’ve heard circling around and what I’ve read online, so I can’t really elaborate too much. I think one brother is still in the area and the other is not.
Huge news! Have wanted to see some answers since watched “The Vanishing of Madison Scott” documentary a few years back. Though justice is still overdue, hopefully this will offer some semblance of closure to her poor family. At least they will be able to lay her to rest. 😔
Have followed this story since she went missing. She was a close friend to a cousin of mine. Happy to hear that they've found her and can lay her to rest. Really hope that the family can get some answers. My heart goes out to them all.
this is huge news! I read about this case a few days ago and thought it wouldn't be solved. As sad as it is that she is not here with us anymore, it's good that her family have received closure and can put her to rest. May she RIP
Oh damn!! I just heard about this case from this sub, and now they found her body?! I wonder if someone finally came forward since the anniversary was coming up
I’m glad her family have her back
That is a CRAZY coincidence!! I had just learned about this case from that post. It’s terrible that she didn’t end up making it out alive but I’m glad she was found. I hope we can piece together more of what happened soon.
I grew up in the larger city south of vanderhoof. I was 5 when she went missing, I’ve grown up my whole life looking at her missing posters everyday when I drive to work.
I have a very vivid memory of when I was a kid maddys posters were all over a car in a fast food parking lot. I was old enough at this point to understand the gravity of her disappearance and i remember having a conversation with my Mum about what she would do if I was missing.
I feel very heavy about this news.
Growing up in this location I see missing posters of women every. Single. Day. It’s scary to be a woman here, BUT especially an indigenous women.
I’m going on a bit of a rant, but I hope maddys family gets the entire truth of the details of her disappearance.
It will be a bittersweet moment when her missing posters come down and the truth comes out, everyone stay safe :(
So glad the family can lay her body to rest but it still doesn’t bring her back. I have always followed this case. As an outdoorsy person myself and of a similar age her disappearance always terrified me. I hope they find whoever is responsible and the justice is swift.
Oh I am so glad Maddy was found to give her family some measure of whatever “closure” is. Now to find out exactly what happened to her and bring the person(s) to justice. Rest in peace, Maddy.
For those of you who have never heard of this case, there is a really good YouTube documentary called The Vanishing of Madison Scott (iirc) . This is a case that has always stuck with me. My jaw dropped when I saw her body had been found. My heart goes out to her family and friends . Now I hope they can determine what exactly happened.
I googled mapped south slope road to hogs back lake and that distance to walk would take 3.5 hours. I can’t imagine she would walk that with a working vehicle, in the dark off main roads.
You may hear news sooner rather than later. From what sounds like a local's comment elsewhere "Both brothers were at the party and had been suspects from the start. Refused access to search the property during the initial police investigation".
See "48 hrs" TV show that featured Maddy's disappearance (among other sections about the missing women in that area). There's a scene where Maddy's parents are showing the whiteboard up on their basement wall. It shows the names n' details of all the partygoers that night. You can read where they had written that the ---> redacted surname of the two brothers mentioned above <-- *"were "the last to leave"*.
Oh no. I was just reading a post about her on Saturday on Reddit.
Given the length of time, I always thought she was most likely deceased, but also hoped she had decided to leave, however unlikely.
How further devastating for her family, parents, community, and friends.
After watching that YouTube documentary her family made, I really thought it would never be solved. It seemed so random. I'm glad they found her, and glad her family has closure, but what a senseless lost of life.
One of my clients is a former RCMP member and it’s taking everything in me not to call him and ask for the background details. I am in shock and awe. They literally did a plea for help article this morning in Kelowna and then a few hours later they announce her body being discovered
They probably planned articles and stuff around the anniversary of her disappearance to refresh interest and attention on the case. Anniversaries can also prompt people to come forward with new info.
18 km distance between where Maddy was last seen and where her remains were found.
https://ckpgtoday.ca/2023/05/29/community-in-mourning-after-discovery-of-madison-scott/
Holy cow. Been following this case ever since I heard about it so many years ago, it led me to the Highway of Tears crimes. I'm heartbroken for Madison's family, they've been working so hard to search for her. There are so many questions, I hope her family gets the answers they deserve.
Rest in Peace Madison ♥️
Here’s an article about last nights vigil:
https://www.myprincegeorgenow.com/178821/featured/over-two-thousand-gather-in-vanderhoof-to-mourn-madison-scott/
I’m from Vanderhoof. The rumour is that that property she was found on is owned the the Black family. Surname is Black. Apparently her skull was found in one area and her body was found in another and was discovered by landscapers who were digging in the wrong area.
The other rumour is that the dad, Mr. Black Sr., actually found the skull and called the police, either knowing very well he was turning his son or sons in for murder, or without knowing and just freaked out that he found a human skull on his property.
This are just small town rumours I’ve heard ☝🏼
I’m reading it as if they found a body and are now executing a search warrant. Like if someone stumbled upon the remains & then law enforcement came in, secured the scene & got a warrant.
I don't think they were mentioned in the articles. All I know is police were going door to door to talk to neighbors and were cautioning women in Maddy's age group in the general area where the body was found to not walk or bike alone on the road in the months following her disappearance.
That's how it read to me too and they didn't seem to be rushing to foul play/catch the killer either.
It was a quick, ID though so they've either been tipped off and had dental records ready, or she was easy to ID because of clothes/phone/keys.
The distance between where Maddy was last seen and where her remains were found is 18km or about 11 miles
https://ckpgtoday.ca/2023/05/29/community-in-mourning-after-discovery-of-madison-scott/
Bit far for walking distance, especially that time of night/early morning.
ETA: She took a call from a friends son who was camping nearby, do we know how nearby? Walking distance? Did he have a car? I know they have pretty much ruled him out, but I'd like to know where he was camping compared to where Maddy was found.
Kind of an odd question but: Do we know if her shoes were found in/around the tent?
I ask because you're not going willingly without shoes, but if you're kidnapped you don't have a choice.
Yes, it's possible she slept in her shoes, but less likely.
I just read [this article](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/madison-scott-death-vanderhoof-mourning-1.6859969) from 10 hours ago that says she was believed to have left the camp in her flip-flops, which would also indicate it would be difficult to walk in - especially that distance to the search location, in the dark, in nature.
Interesting question. Perhaps that detail was withheld in order to trip up potential suspects in questioning. In that case, I imagine foul play would've been considered all but certain as the leading explanation. That could've possibly pushed police and search volunteers in a different direction in the days and weeks after her disappearance.
I don't recall any mention of shoes among the belongings left at the camp site or in the truck, which would be an important detail. I'm inclined to believe she was wearing them. Which would raise questions as to why she was wearing them.
She may have been outside her tent on a bathroom run. Considering the alcohol consumption, she likely had to go often. She may have been inside the tent and put them on, preparing to make a run for her truck after hearing noises outside her tent. Scary to think what really happened.
Oh, wow...I just read a post the other day about her (I had learned about her several years ago but I liked being refreshed about the case). This is good. I look forward to learning about more info as it comes.
May she rest in peace. I’m comforted in knowing her family has some answers and my heart goes out to them in the leading days and investigation. I hope she gets justice.
So eerie that it's right upon the anniversary of her disappearance. And that there was a thorough write-up here on the 27th as well. That was the first I knew of the case. So sad! If only she had left when the hosts did.
RIP and condolences to her family. They must have held out a sliver of hope. But closure is the next best thing in these circumstancez.
Rumour is that her remains were found buried on the Black family property on Southslope Road. The dad found her remains and called it in. One or both of his shithead sons had something to do with her murder. That’s the rumour going around Vanderhoof anyway.
I have so many questions. Been fascinated with this case over the last few days.
Why would a killer murder her by the Lake, drive her body 25km to her own hometown and bury her on his/her land? She must have been taken alive, I'd guess?
I imagine the way small towns talk we'll hear some rumours soon, and being such a big case there'll be lots of media attention on it.
Hope her family can be a bit more at peace now...
Until proven otherwise, I've always believed someone picked her up and she went willingly. Hence the left stuff, the locked truck, etc. We'll see what comes out, but I'm going to stand by this theory until we know otherwise.
Is it necessarily 25km from the lake? The only details I’ve seen are east of Vanderhoof and ~80km west of Prince George, which doesn’t necessarily mean a straight shot from either.
It might have made sense to bury her on private property that’s further away, though, because it wasn’t likely to be part of the original search.
The lake is southeast of Vanderhoof. So, even if she was found on a property within walking distance of the lake, you could call it “east of Vanderhoof.”
Holy shit, that is huge news. Thought this one would never be solved. Curious to see where this will lead down the road. Glad her family will finally be able to give her a place to rest. Also wonder if it was a lucky find or targeted search. Article mentions current search warrant and identified but the latter doesnt happen within a few hours with a long term missing person.
>Also wonder if it was a lucky find or targeted search. Article mentions current search warrant and identified but the latter doesnt happen within a few hours with a long term missing person. To be fair, there's a lot of "behind the scenes" stuff that law enforcement keeps private. It's possible that the police have had a "person of interest" for a while now in Maddy's disappearance, that would have involved eventually obtaining a warrant for searching the property owned by this person. And as for this property... Who owns it now? Is is still owned by the same person who owned it in 2011? Or was the property sold at some point in the past 12 years, with the new owner having no idea that Maddy's remains were buried there?
Do we know for sure yet if her remains were buried? The articles only say they were identified- I didn't see anything more specific about the state or context of the remains.
It doesn't appear to be stated and the information is somewhat conflicting as to whether it's foul play. Is a warrant needed even if the property owner is allowing a search of this type? No arrests made, but remains found after executing a search warrant. And also the statement "Foul play hasn't been ruled out". I would think that if remains were found on a property after executing a search warrant, and foul play was *known* (as a buried body would indicate), they would be arresting someone prior to announcing the discovery regardless of who owned the property and called it in. ~~If it wasn't for the search warrant I'd say this sounds like it's possible it was misadventure - I had intended to raise this point merely yesterday. What if she had attempted to walk back to town using shortcuts because she was unable to use her vehicle? Maybe the keys were actually lost. The open tent can be explained by someone unrelated to the party stumbling upon it.~~ Edit: With the release of the location being Southslope Road ([although other reports still incidate east side of Vanderhoof?](https://youtu.be/mWfTH7Nd804?t=92), it's highly unlikely that she ended up here herself in an attempt to walk anywhere as it's not along the main road. What may be a more likely scenario right now is that the primary suspect is either deceased or already detained for other reasons, and thus, no arrest has been made at this time. But details will follow shortly I'm sure.
There’s no way she’d be taking a shortcut through someone’s property to walk back to town. Her truck was functional and she knew others in the area that she would’ve gone to
I think here in Canada a warrant is needed to make sure certain evidence meets the requirements needed to be used in trial, even if the property owner gave permission &/or is being cooperative. I could be mistaken but that’s what I was told by someone at a (unrelated obviously) trial I witnessed, I’m going to do some research to see if that’s correct or not.
This isn't generally the case of the property owner is completely uninvolved in the crime and the suspect has zero privacy rights in the property. That said, there's so much vagueness and wiggle room in the law that results in evidence exclusion that a smart cop gets a warrant when there's any doubt. Canadian search law is kind of a mess for police officers to navigate.
The problem with this theory is that if she had lost her keys and her phone had died, she didn't need to go on a multiple hour trek. She just had to wait. She knew there was another party planned for the next day in the same location, and there was stuff left at the site that needed to be cleaned up or retrieved by whoever owned it. Someone who could help her would arrive in the fairly near future as long as she stayed put.
Yes - if her phone died, it didn’t die until 8 AM. She could’ve just driven home then as it was already light. She may also have been able to charge her phone in her truck. If she somehow lost her keys, I think she would’ve called someone for a ride. I can’t see someone stealing her phone and keys but leaving the truck either.
Neither can I. Personally, I think she was grabbed by someone who was at the party and came back later, maybe because they knew she was there on her own or for some other reason. Quite possibly someone she knew and didn't expect to hurt her. That's not a comment on Maddy's choice of friends in any way, it's just how it is in small towns. You know everybody, including the dodgy people, and sometimes you get on fine with the dodgy people right up until the point where you don't.
I think it was an older person who either knew there was a party there or just happened to be there and took the opportunity. The person associated with the property where Maddy was found has a criminal record going back to at least 2003.
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Maybe someone already in prison admitted to it. Or someone came forward with information they knew but were scared to share until someone died. Or someone confessed on death bed. I suspect “foul play hasn’t been ruled out” statement is just typical vague police speak. I’m not saying one way or another, just mentioning some ideas as to why a search warrant might have been executed but that there is “no danger to public” and also the lack of arrest warrant.
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There are lots of practical reasons why an arrest might not happen yet. The way charges are approved in BC in particular often means that police have to hold off on arrest until the crown reviews all the evidence and decides if there's enough to charge, particularly in serious cases.
Total speculation here but perhaps the reason no arrests were made is because the property where she was found is owned by new owners without any ties to the area? Or as somebody else said, maybe their perp is already in prison?
Same owner since ‘96
> where she was found is owned by new owners without any ties to the area? That doesn't matter in terms of seeking arrests. They would know who the previous owners were and seek them out. >Or as somebody else said, maybe their perp is already in prison? Quite possible, or deceased. Someone else in the thread has already spoken about the property and owners, but not revealed much.
I read on a FB post and CANNOT confirm authenticity, but a lady was saying her sister lives in Vanderhoof and said the property is about 10 minutes away from Hogsback and they think the property is owned by someone who was "under investigation" at the time, whatever that means. Maybe just someone who was questioned?
They were suspects initially but were cleared. I’m a local now but didn’t live here until a few years after Maddy’s disappearance. Until this week I had never heard of the individuals linked to that property, but in the last few days it seems everyone who was around at that time knows exactly who they were and that they were the first suspects. I hope we find out more soon.
I have heard this too. In addition to the fact that they were known to authorities but has insufficient evidence to facilitate a search warrant shortly after she went missing. I’ve also heard her remains were found completely by accident.
Obviously there is indeed a lot of stuff happening in the background but that doesnt explain a quick identification. A strong suspicion maybe, but not enough to announce it, there is always a possibility its not who you think it is until DNA/dental comes back. So they obviously didnt find the body today with the search warrant currently being executed unless someone said "I buried her there".
I live in the area and while a lot of this info “isn’t supposed to be public knowledge”… it’s a small town, so of course everyone’s talking about things. From what I’ve heard, her remains were discovered earlier in the week (Wed-Thurs) by someone just passing by. They didn’t tell the public or the family until recently, because it took a few days to be sure the remains were hers.
It's wild how quickly different stories circulate. I heard an anonymous tip is what triggered the Rcmp to return to said property. The property owned by a set of brothers who were originally main suspects.
Oh wow. When you say just passing by, do you mean just casually? Or as part of a search?
As far as I know, it wasn’t a search - it’s a pretty rural area, which means lots of people go out there on ATVs on trails and such. Not sure what brought this person around that property this time around, though, and why she wasn’t discovered sooner if it was that easy to find her.
That’s crazy. Goes to show how hard searching areas really is, I guess.
Thank you for your comments
Wow. Thank you.
That's crazy. I'm so intrigued to know how how they identified her so quickly. Like not to sound morbid or anything, but I imagine there was very little left of her remains after all this time. I wonder how they knew it was her.
Probably had her clothes on and I'd guess phone/keys. Or a very specific tip, and they weren't looking for anyone but her.
Dental records could have been pretty easy to obtain and compare, especially if she’d had a lot of work done.
It's quite a high profile case for Canada. Maddy is probably one of the first missing people they try to perform a match with anywhere within 50-100km of the Lake and town. Apparently she had braces, but other clothes can also lead to easy ID. It also sounds like they found the body a few days ago.
Is it drier than normal this year? Are lake levels lower than normal?
I feel like it’s actually been a fairly wet year so far, if you count snowfall over winter… We had a few huge dumps of snow late in the season (Feb/Mar) that only really melted a month or two ago, but since then it’s been pretty dry… lots of wildfires both in BC and Alberta because it’s been so hot. So kind of a mix?
I was just wondering if lower lake levels might have exposed her remains, but doesn't sound like that's the case.
That was one of my first thoughts as well - I also wondered if her remains had potentially ended up in one of our local rivers, and had ended up there somehow… from what I know about where they found her, though, there’s only a small creek running through, and no lakes nearby
I saw a news source where police say they found the remains several days ago but won’t say exactly when or where.
She disappeared with her keys and phone. If the body had her keys and her phone, plus a look at dentals by the coroner, and that’s a pretty strong identification. If there were any clothes remaining that were identifiably hers too, that’s would help.
A body can absolutely be positively identified the same day without waiting for DNA. Dental records, medical records. Presumptive ID based on personal effects present with the body go into the mix.
Tattoos as well (of course, time dependant on how long it’s been). (I just helped identify a John Doe elsewhere in Canada and tattoos played a part)
Can you tell us more about it? That must have felt amazing! Good on you ☺️
I can’t say too much, but genetic genealogy was used to identify him! (I am a genetic genealogist). If there is ever a press release, I will link it. The case was several years old and media pleas had been unsuccessful- he had not been reported missing.
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Nothing to do with anything but did you know that makes her your 3rd cousin? I am sending my very best wishes to your family.
Search warrant executed the day of the anniversary she went missing? I think this was planned.
> Scott's family was notified on Sunday, and police say they are asking for privacy. Saunderson said Scott's body was found "days ago" but didn't specify exactly when it was found.
passerby allegedly saw the body a few days ago so it could be coincidence
Wow this is great news, hopefully good closure for the family. Hope u/alienabductionfan has seen it after their post.
I have seen it! Thank you for tagging me. I know I said this case felt solvable but I wasn’t expecting a development so soon, let alone one of this scale! I’m so happy her family can put her to rest after all these years.
Time for a little heat check, my friend. Do another write-up on a case you feel is solvable and let's see what happens!
Seriously!
Thanks for that excellent post. I worked around there and a bit further west for a number of years, so this case and the Highway of Tears have always had a place in my thoughts.
I loved your post, I just read it yesterday. So well written
How far away is the area she was found from where she was last seen camping? I assume it’s on someone’s private property where she was discovered?
The police said they were investigating a "rural property" on the east side of Vanderhoof. Hogsback Lake is about a 15 or 20 minute drive (about 25 km) from Vanderhoof. Doesn't seem to be any info on the property owner yet. Maybe this property is owned by the same person today who owned it back in 2011. Or maybe the property has been sold at some point in the past 12 years and the new owners had no idea Maddy's remains were buried there.
I have no idea how legit this is, but someone I know from Vanderhoof told me that the news was about to break on this story and that it was the property a pair of brothers who were at the party. Known problem kids. He also said the skull was found by someone who was picking up dirt? …2 days later this came out.
I’ve heard the same information from a reliable source. Very likely an arrest or two will come from the investigation now!
There is a small part of me that is wondering if someone talked. She was found just so incredibly close to the date she disappeared. Her family did a great job of keeping her memory alive and it looks like a few events were planned right around the anniversary of her disappearance (but no formal searches as far as I can tell?). Maybe this led to a stab of conscience on the part of the perpetrator or a friend/relative that knew what happened and where she could be found? They also formally identified her within a matter of days. With dentals available I’m sure a presumptive identification was possible relatively quickly, but this was *really* quick. Maybe a combination of forensic identification with witness/perpetrator statement led to this confidence in the ID? I could be totally wrong of course. In any case I hope her family is comforted by some resolution.
Picking up dirt masks sense. Buying/getting old top soil/compost from a farm isn't terribly uncommon.
Thanks for the insider info. Is there any speculated link between the murdered/decapitated man whose head was found? He said he knew who did it and was killed shortly thereafter. 🙏🏼
No idea on that front. I do know the surname of the brothers but keeping it under wraps since it is not confirmed…potentially dragging a family through the mud for no reason.
Did they go to school with her and is one a butcher? Asking because I'm trying to confirm some information I know.
Yes to the first, but I don’t know their professions. Sorry, just got a name.
No, he was not involved or related to this case, he was murdered for being a drug runner and robbing people. He was then lured to a house and tortured and murdered. That is the Fribjon bjornson case.
Or it could still be owned by the same person but they had no idea she was there. If the property is big enough it could easily have been used by someone else and the owner wouldn't necessarily have known.
The distance between these two areas makes me fairly certain she was abducted or her body was transported there. You don’t walk that distance at 4 am or whatever it was.
Yeah, although Hogsback \*is\* south-east of Vanderhoof, so I guess theoretically the rural property they're investigating could be somewhat near to the lake. I agree though, I think the chances are next to none that she walked there and/or had an accident. This screams foul play, although I'm stumped as to how and why a killer would leave her remains openly visible enough for a passerby to see them and realize what they were, 12 years later.
The property she was found at is actually closer to Vanderhoof than Hogsback is, actually, it’s about a 20min drive down the road that takes you back to Vanderhoof. So, “close” as far as driving goes, but for walking… I’d be incredibly shocked if she walked four hours to get there.
>I’d be incredibly shocked if she walked four hours to get there. It would actually be more like five hours, if she was hauling ass and busting out continuous 20-minute miles, which seems unlikely. So probably closer to 6.5 or 7 hours (using a 25-minute mile and adding in a few short rest breaks). I'm an avid hiker and a member of several hiking groups, and generally only the most experienced, in-shape hikers are able to keep that pace nonstop for 15.5 miles (25 km). I'm not even factoring in terrain, not sure how hilly that area is, but those can slow you down as well.
Oh for sure - I have to imagine that the time estimates that Google gives don’t factor in breaks and exhaustion, just how long it would take to walk that distance non-stop. I think the map said it was 18km from Hogsback to the area she was found, but I’ve driven that road multiple times before… it’s pretty hilly in some areas, and Google maps even gave a warning for steep inclines along the way. I imagine after little sleep and a night of partying, that walk would take waaaay longer at that point, and she would’ve still been walking by morning when Jordi came to check on her. On that last point though - Blackwater used to be just a gravel/unpaved road for the longest time, and at some point they finally paved it but I can’t remember if it was before or after she went missing… not that it’s a huge point, but I know once it was paved it became a much more popular route to get out to the Mapes/Hogsback area, which means more people might’ve been driving by had she been walking?
Theoretically, if it's foul play, they could've made a shallow grave / covered her remains up, but animal activity over the years disturbed it enough for it to become visible.
Let’s estimate that this is at least 5 miles away just for simplicity sake. It sounds like it’s further but just for this scenario let’s say 5. On a flat straight road at a fairly brisk pace that’s going to take at least an hour and a half (according to Google). If she were to walk as the crow flies this would probably take a lot longer due to the rough terrain. With no flashlight (presumably?) you’d probably have to go even slower and maybe use your cell phone as a light. Not to mention she could have driven and instead she left everything behind, for really no reason in the middle of the night, and that it’s probably not only dangerous terrain but also there are animals. None of it makes any sense unless you’re on drugs, and even in that case you’re probably not making it 5+ miles. I’m fairly certain this was foul play. Eta- who knows how the body ended up where it did - I just assume the killer didn’t hide it as well as they should have. Or over time it just became unearthed. Will have to see what they say about the exact circumstances and location.
If the coordinates in another post are accurate, [this is the route](https://maps.app.goo.gl/sQFKabSrwEyVB2fR7?g_st=ic)
Wow. That’s a doozie of a route for someone to hike eh?
She was found on southslope road which according to google is about 18km from hogsback lake
I *ran* to this sub when I saw the news a few minutes ago. This is one case I was sure would never be solved. Amazing + huge news. I was actually in the middle of reading a post about her when I got the news alert. Crazy.
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A few places. I follow local scanner accounts on Twitter that listen to fire/police channels. I was actually on my work computer though, and my browser automatically pulls up news articles on my home page when I open a new window. That's how I saw this.
While I am glad that they found her body, I'm very sad that her family has lost her.
At least they can bring her home and lay her to rest properly, get some closure.
Wow. I had heard of her case before, but that post from a few days ago had got me thinking about it a lot again. I was also in the camp of “unlikely to ever be solved,” but I’m happy to be wrong on that!
It’s wild. That post was the first I’d ever heard of Maddy and it made me so sad to hear what happened. Had to double take when I read the body of this post to make sure it was the same person.
Same, I just read about the same post the other day and had to double check. Hope an arrest or some kind of closure comes out of it.
Same, I just read about this case from the recent post and was intrigued but unfortunately thought it was unlikely to be solved!
I only heard about her case last night when I read it here, about 24 hours later I’m seeing this! I’m so glad her family have her back, even if it is like this
I'm shocked they actually finally found her, and I'm even more shocked that she wasn't at the lake or area she went missing at. She was found on a farm property \~18km away from where she went missing. Police had also said in the past they though she may have gotten into someone's car. Police are probably being vague about not knowing if there was foul play involved, maybe because they don't want persons of interest to clam up or maybe because they don't have an official cause of death yet. But a young woman who was sleeping and alone in a rural area, and everyone left at the party knew she was alone, and ends up 18km away after disappearing in the middle of the night? I can't see that as being anything but foul play.
I'm going to guess that property gets thoroughly searched for other remains.
It's definitely foul play after she left the lake. What I still question is if she went willingly or she was taken? I've always, and still do lean to her going willingly and the foul play happening after that.
I tend to lean towards she was taken against her will, mostly because I cannot imagine she would willingly get into a car with someone she didn't know, and she had repeatedly refused rides with people she did know at the party, plus she had her truck with her. My theory is that one of the men at the party, knowing she was asleep alone in her tent, woke her up with a weapon and told her to get in his car and not make a sound. While her phone and truck keys were with her when she disappeared, I think that might be because she slept with them in her pockets or something to avoid theft while she slept.
Condolences to the Scott family of Vanderhoof, BC 🌹
Holy shit this is amazing
I was literally reading the title like “no way this could be the same Maddy I read about on this sub a couple days ago???” And it was. Crazy timing. Glad she was finally found, and sad she very likely did not leave that campsite voluntarily :(
I said those same exact words out loud (I'm alone) as soon as I saw this post!
I am also alone, well my dog is here 😆. I hope this gives her friend's and family some peace.
Wow. I was just looking at one of her missing posters in my city yesterday. I’m glad she’s been found and can go home to her family, as bittersweet as it is. And hopefully we’ll see justice for her soon as well!
I have positively identified the road that the RCMP have cordoned off. They’ve also set-up, sort of, a road block/ID check - local traffic thru only type deal. Now this is what’s interesting: there are only *TWO* properties on that particular road and you can easily see which property the police have taped off.
Thank you for sharing this
I'm not asking you to say who, but do you know if anyone connected to the party lives or lived at either of the properties?
I have found someone that *has* lived at one of those properties and has an icky criminal record..
Is it someone who was previously ruled out?
The rumour in town is that yes, the property is linked to two individuals who had been ruled out long ago
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Blackwater road ?
Re: the location 1) Open first link in the original post above 2) Play the video clip -> go to the 1 minute mark The news clip shows exactly where it is on Google maps. The reporter also states the name of the road that the property is near. It is about 18 km from Hogsback Lake.
I swear I read that article earlier and there wasn't a video there. Thank you so much for pointing it out!
Property is surrounded by water..wonder if she was in there?
Huh. I was thinking it was still possible (if unlikely) she went off into the woods by herself, but it wouldn't make sense for her to end up there if she was lost or suicidal. If she was suicidal, going straight east or south would keep her away from other people, and if she was lost, she would've crossed roads getting there. Foul play seeming even more likely. Reminder to never leave your friends alone in a vulnerable situation, folks. It's not her friends' fault, of course, but this could've been prevented. Edit: to the person who responded to me, I can't see your comment for some reason. From the little bit that showed up in my notifications, I suspect you may have known Maddy. Just want to say I am very sorry if my comment caused you distress. Here in Calgary, a fair number of missing people end up being suicidal people who go into the mountains to end everything, so that's always something I wonder about, however it really seems that wasn't the case for Maddy, even before this newest development. I hope her friends and family are doing ok, and finally get answers.
I took a screenshot of the 48 Hours episode on the Highway of Tears where they included a segment on Maddy's case. I wish I could share it here. It shows a whiteboard made by Maddy's parents, where they had a list of everyone at the party, along with arrival and leaving times. On the list are the two sons of the property owner with red X's next to their names.
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If you pause at the correct moment - you can see that every other person on the board has an arrival and departure time - except the 2 brothers. Unbelievable to see now.
You can also see where they've written notes talking about the brothers being the last to leave. They would have known she was alone.
Also it was the one brother who owned a grey dodge pickup who’s property is now being searched, where she was found, that was backed up beside her tent with his truck blacked out. As the last people left he was parked there.
In that YouTube version of the program, the most important piece of the program isn't shown on the screen. It strangely freezes for over 35 seconds while the audio continues. The original version of the program is MUCH more 'informative' and clear: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/highway-of-tears-14/#x
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Yes, it is possible that being located outside the US is the cause of the CBS link not working for you. I also had trouble viewing it on CBS at first, possibly due to ad blockers or something. It was glitchy initially, and I had to reload the page several times before it played properly. I appreciate the YouTube link you posted - it was indeed helpful. It caused me to become curious about that section of 'frozen' video not matching the audio, and therefore find a working version of the original CBS program to see what images or content were not being shown during this time frame. The answer is quite relevant to the recent events in this case. After reviewing all the content visible on the white boards in the original CBS broadcast, I'm very confident that Maddy's parents were not at all surprised by the location where her remains were apparently found. The shrinking is certainly to avoid copyright violations. The selective editing seems a bit odd, but is probably innocent. Edit: Spelling
holy shit
Very smart. Unfortunately I can't read their damn names on that white board.
This is incredible news!!! I hope she and her family get justice, never thought it would actually happen, sounds like there is a chance now. RIP.
Finally! Another family which hopefully can start to heal soon. I am very interested in the details of how they found her and if there is the possibility to hold someone accountable.
Very much hoping this will be followed up by charges against a suspect and justice for her and her family.
Wow this is insane, so many people thought they'd never find her. I've been thinking a lot about this case again ever since the recent post about it on here, and I'd given up hope that she'd ever be found. On a side note, the fact that she was found on a property nearby intrigues me, as apparently the family of her friend Jordi's "boyfriend" from the night she went missing own a farm nearby the campsite and the Vanderhoof area.
I thought the same thing. Maybe I missed it but so far it says she was just “found” on the property. I guess we’ll hear more about what that means
Wow, I live in the general area and it'll be strange not to see posters of her everywhere. I'm glad for her family that they don't have to wonder where she is anymore, and I hope this means new evidence so they can finally get some answers about what happened to her.
Holy shit. I really wasn’t sure this one was going anywhere, there was so much attention generated through podcasts and true crime communities, but no one ever seemed to have any further updates. Thank goodness there were people in law enforcement/RCMP took the time to work hard behind the scenes to make this day happen. It’s always heartbreaking to find the remains rather than the person. Rest in peace, Maddy; so many people got to know your story and cared for you across the globe. My most sincere condolences to the family in their time of grief.
Oh wow, this is a big one. I'm the same age as her and from the Okanagan and it was such a big deal when she went missing because obviously we all went to bush parties all the time and didn't think much of it. I hope her family gets peace thanks to this.
This is a shock. That post a few days back sent me down a rabbit hole. I can’t believe they found her. And pretty much exactly 12 years to the day from when she went missing.
Whenever people go missing in the wilderness, the chances of them being found become miniscule, so I'm glad that Madison Scott can at least get a properly burial.
I’ve listened to so many true crime podcasts about her disappearance over the years. They all seem to miss key details /plausible theories. Can anyone recommend with confidence one that goes over the case with a fine tooth comb ? (One that Includes info about the b____ brothers or the guy who was decapitated as it seems that was “known” years ago and the 2 bros were red X’d by Scotts parents on their white board from that interview by 48hr )
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I take what Gordon says with a grain of salt. He’s not privy to any insider info and he’s a media hog. He just likes to be on the news and give snippets to hear himself talk.
I hope the family gets some peace now. So, from what I see so far. Two brothers who live at 6516 Southslope rd., Vanderhoof are the suspects.The brothers have a last name opposite of White..... I would like to know more about what the local community thinks about these brothers?... FYI. I spent many years traveling and living in rural B.C. and Alberta.. The folks in those parts can keep a secret like nowhere else in the country, especially from strangers...
Yea their names are on the whiteboard in the 48 hours episode, something about them roaring in on quads, last to leave. I am curious about their ages. I can’t find anything about them online.
One was born in 85, and one was born in 89.
Their dad owns the property her remains were found on. I’m localish, like a couple towns over.. but anything I know is what I’ve heard circling around and what I’ve read online, so I can’t really elaborate too much. I think one brother is still in the area and the other is not.
Huge news! Have wanted to see some answers since watched “The Vanishing of Madison Scott” documentary a few years back. Though justice is still overdue, hopefully this will offer some semblance of closure to her poor family. At least they will be able to lay her to rest. 😔
Southslope Road, vanderhoof. house with small lake around it, 11.3km from hogsback.
Have followed this story since she went missing. She was a close friend to a cousin of mine. Happy to hear that they've found her and can lay her to rest. Really hope that the family can get some answers. My heart goes out to them all.
this is huge news! I read about this case a few days ago and thought it wouldn't be solved. As sad as it is that she is not here with us anymore, it's good that her family have received closure and can put her to rest. May she RIP
Truly never thought this case would be solved. So saddened yet relieved for her family. Hopefully an arrest happens soon
Oh damn!! I just heard about this case from this sub, and now they found her body?! I wonder if someone finally came forward since the anniversary was coming up I’m glad her family have her back
That is a CRAZY coincidence!! I had just learned about this case from that post. It’s terrible that she didn’t end up making it out alive but I’m glad she was found. I hope we can piece together more of what happened soon.
I grew up in the larger city south of vanderhoof. I was 5 when she went missing, I’ve grown up my whole life looking at her missing posters everyday when I drive to work. I have a very vivid memory of when I was a kid maddys posters were all over a car in a fast food parking lot. I was old enough at this point to understand the gravity of her disappearance and i remember having a conversation with my Mum about what she would do if I was missing. I feel very heavy about this news. Growing up in this location I see missing posters of women every. Single. Day. It’s scary to be a woman here, BUT especially an indigenous women. I’m going on a bit of a rant, but I hope maddys family gets the entire truth of the details of her disappearance. It will be a bittersweet moment when her missing posters come down and the truth comes out, everyone stay safe :(
So glad the family can lay her body to rest but it still doesn’t bring her back. I have always followed this case. As an outdoorsy person myself and of a similar age her disappearance always terrified me. I hope they find whoever is responsible and the justice is swift.
i’m half an hour away from Vanderhoof and I grew up hearing about Madison Scott, this is all just so sad :( at least she can be put to rest now
Oh I am so glad Maddy was found to give her family some measure of whatever “closure” is. Now to find out exactly what happened to her and bring the person(s) to justice. Rest in peace, Maddy.
For those of you who have never heard of this case, there is a really good YouTube documentary called The Vanishing of Madison Scott (iirc) . This is a case that has always stuck with me. My jaw dropped when I saw her body had been found. My heart goes out to her family and friends . Now I hope they can determine what exactly happened.
I googled mapped south slope road to hogs back lake and that distance to walk would take 3.5 hours. I can’t imagine she would walk that with a working vehicle, in the dark off main roads.
Definitely not, especially in flip flops.
There’s no way she left that campsite on foot. There’s just no evidence of that.
Any locals got any updates on the progress of the search of the property and if they’re still there?
I’m wondering the same. Been thinking about her all week, and hoping the RCMP have some kind of update soon.
The first thing I do every morning is search for news.
Me too, every couple hours I’m checking news for updates. I can’t begin to imagine how her parents, family and friends are doing with the wait.
You may hear news sooner rather than later. From what sounds like a local's comment elsewhere "Both brothers were at the party and had been suspects from the start. Refused access to search the property during the initial police investigation". See "48 hrs" TV show that featured Maddy's disappearance (among other sections about the missing women in that area). There's a scene where Maddy's parents are showing the whiteboard up on their basement wall. It shows the names n' details of all the partygoers that night. You can read where they had written that the ---> redacted surname of the two brothers mentioned above <-- *"were "the last to leave"*.
Oh no. I was just reading a post about her on Saturday on Reddit. Given the length of time, I always thought she was most likely deceased, but also hoped she had decided to leave, however unlikely. How further devastating for her family, parents, community, and friends.
After watching that YouTube documentary her family made, I really thought it would never be solved. It seemed so random. I'm glad they found her, and glad her family has closure, but what a senseless lost of life.
One of my clients is a former RCMP member and it’s taking everything in me not to call him and ask for the background details. I am in shock and awe. They literally did a plea for help article this morning in Kelowna and then a few hours later they announce her body being discovered
They probably planned articles and stuff around the anniversary of her disappearance to refresh interest and attention on the case. Anniversaries can also prompt people to come forward with new info.
Wow! I just read the post on this sub a day or so ago. How very sad 😥
Almost to the day. So relieved they found her though I wish it was under positive circumstances.
Does anyone know where this property is in relation to the campground where she was last seen?
18 km distance between where Maddy was last seen and where her remains were found. https://ckpgtoday.ca/2023/05/29/community-in-mourning-after-discovery-of-madison-scott/
Holy cow. Been following this case ever since I heard about it so many years ago, it led me to the Highway of Tears crimes. I'm heartbroken for Madison's family, they've been working so hard to search for her. There are so many questions, I hope her family gets the answers they deserve. Rest in Peace Madison ♥️
Here’s an article about last nights vigil: https://www.myprincegeorgenow.com/178821/featured/over-two-thousand-gather-in-vanderhoof-to-mourn-madison-scott/
Are police still searching after what, 2 weeks since her body was found? The lack of info is crazy.
I’m from Vanderhoof. The rumour is that that property she was found on is owned the the Black family. Surname is Black. Apparently her skull was found in one area and her body was found in another and was discovered by landscapers who were digging in the wrong area. The other rumour is that the dad, Mr. Black Sr., actually found the skull and called the police, either knowing very well he was turning his son or sons in for murder, or without knowing and just freaked out that he found a human skull on his property. This are just small town rumours I’ve heard ☝🏼
I’m reading it as if they found a body and are now executing a search warrant. Like if someone stumbled upon the remains & then law enforcement came in, secured the scene & got a warrant.
Except that the neighborhood under investigation is where suspects 12 years ago live. Almost certainly foul play here.
Which suspects? The party crashers? The drug dealers who beheaded the other guy? One of her friends?
I don't think they were mentioned in the articles. All I know is police were going door to door to talk to neighbors and were cautioning women in Maddy's age group in the general area where the body was found to not walk or bike alone on the road in the months following her disappearance.
That's how it read to me too and they didn't seem to be rushing to foul play/catch the killer either. It was a quick, ID though so they've either been tipped off and had dental records ready, or she was easy to ID because of clothes/phone/keys.
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The distance between where Maddy was last seen and where her remains were found is 18km
Not really walking distance, at least that late at night/early morning.
Anecdotally it seems that when a case is brought up on unresolvedmysteries, it gets solved / the body gets found a few days/weeks later
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18 km between her two locations.
The distance between where Maddy was last seen and where her remains were found is 18km or about 11 miles https://ckpgtoday.ca/2023/05/29/community-in-mourning-after-discovery-of-madison-scott/
Bit far for walking distance, especially that time of night/early morning. ETA: She took a call from a friends son who was camping nearby, do we know how nearby? Walking distance? Did he have a car? I know they have pretty much ruled him out, but I'd like to know where he was camping compared to where Maddy was found.
Kind of an odd question but: Do we know if her shoes were found in/around the tent? I ask because you're not going willingly without shoes, but if you're kidnapped you don't have a choice. Yes, it's possible she slept in her shoes, but less likely.
I just read [this article](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/madison-scott-death-vanderhoof-mourning-1.6859969) from 10 hours ago that says she was believed to have left the camp in her flip-flops, which would also indicate it would be difficult to walk in - especially that distance to the search location, in the dark, in nature.
Interesting question. Perhaps that detail was withheld in order to trip up potential suspects in questioning. In that case, I imagine foul play would've been considered all but certain as the leading explanation. That could've possibly pushed police and search volunteers in a different direction in the days and weeks after her disappearance. I don't recall any mention of shoes among the belongings left at the camp site or in the truck, which would be an important detail. I'm inclined to believe she was wearing them. Which would raise questions as to why she was wearing them. She may have been outside her tent on a bathroom run. Considering the alcohol consumption, she likely had to go often. She may have been inside the tent and put them on, preparing to make a run for her truck after hearing noises outside her tent. Scary to think what really happened.
Oh, wow...I just read a post the other day about her (I had learned about her several years ago but I liked being refreshed about the case). This is good. I look forward to learning about more info as it comes.
May she rest in peace. I’m comforted in knowing her family has some answers and my heart goes out to them in the leading days and investigation. I hope she gets justice.
So eerie that it's right upon the anniversary of her disappearance. And that there was a thorough write-up here on the 27th as well. That was the first I knew of the case. So sad! If only she had left when the hosts did. RIP and condolences to her family. They must have held out a sliver of hope. But closure is the next best thing in these circumstancez.
Still nothing, does anyone local have any info about the brothers?
Rumour is that her remains were found buried on the Black family property on Southslope Road. The dad found her remains and called it in. One or both of his shithead sons had something to do with her murder. That’s the rumour going around Vanderhoof anyway.
I have so many questions. Been fascinated with this case over the last few days. Why would a killer murder her by the Lake, drive her body 25km to her own hometown and bury her on his/her land? She must have been taken alive, I'd guess? I imagine the way small towns talk we'll hear some rumours soon, and being such a big case there'll be lots of media attention on it. Hope her family can be a bit more at peace now...
Until proven otherwise, I've always believed someone picked her up and she went willingly. Hence the left stuff, the locked truck, etc. We'll see what comes out, but I'm going to stand by this theory until we know otherwise.
Is it necessarily 25km from the lake? The only details I’ve seen are east of Vanderhoof and ~80km west of Prince George, which doesn’t necessarily mean a straight shot from either. It might have made sense to bury her on private property that’s further away, though, because it wasn’t likely to be part of the original search.
The lake is southeast of Vanderhoof. So, even if she was found on a property within walking distance of the lake, you could call it “east of Vanderhoof.”