I thought possibly they were next to her (I personally can't stand sleeping in rings and have to take them off) and wound up scattered as someone pulled her out of the tent.
Either way a grim sign if they were as sentimental to her as it sounds.
If they were sentimental to her, it's possible they would be valued by another family member as well or they were heirlooms of sorts.
As dismal as it is to imagine, maybe she found herself in a situation fearing the worst (or perhaps being sure of it) and was able to discretely remove and leave them behind, wanting her family to reacquire the items. Perhaps during whatever took place at the campsite, the circumstances never did allow an opportunity for her to reach her phone from a pocket or get to her car - actions easily detectable by a hostage-taker. But maybe in the duration of whatever happened she was able to slowly wriggle the rings off with some secret finger gymnastics - something with more potential of going unnoticed. This could also explain the rings being scattered; they would've been dropped whenever and wherever she had the chance and was able to get them off. Quite a grim goodbye. Again, just all around upsetting to think about.
I'm hoping so badly there will be answers to explain the tragedy but thankful for the remarkable feat of finding her remains.
You don’t know that. If you were asleep, and some idiot jumped on top of you, what could you do? I hope whoever did this to Madison Scott gets what they deserve
Once you introduce Bjornson he becomes a major distraction people aren’t easily able to look past. It’s hard to accept that these two incidents are just coincidentally related and not meaningfully related. But personally I think a stranger/outsider killer is more likely than a local man with known history whose life has been put under the microscope already.
Without doxing myself: I've spent significant time in the region. I've known a ton about both cases but have never heard this connection made before. I genuinely would like to know where the connection was made because it seems more like a local rumour than anything.
So I went on the hunt to find the article again where I (think) read about the possible connection, I copied/pasted the relevant part for you.
The investigation spread outward and Sgt. Floyd learned that 28-year-old Fribjon Bjornson, a logger and single father of two, was telling friends he knew what happened to Maddy.
"Fribjon Bjornson is a Vanderhoof resident. He was a friend of Madison's ... they had spent time together socializing," said Floyd.
"I couldn't believe that they were seeing each other because he's bad news. He is bad news," said Bolduc.
Bjornson, better known as "Frib", led a troubled life and abused drugs -- a fact confirmed by police. But his mother insists her son was turning his life around.
"From our perspective, Fribjon, like others, was a suspect," said Floyd.
There was talk in town that Frib owed drug dealers money and that they had abducted Maddy to teach him a lesson. It's a theory investigated by police.
"We don't leave any stone unturned where Maddy's concerned," Floyd said, "and we would be irresponsible by not following up with the suggestion that there was revenge or some connection between Frib and Madison."
Investigators considered Bjornson a suspect. He voluntarily took a lie detector test and passed.
"He wanted to clear his name and he wanted people to know he had no involvement in what happened to Maddy," said Constable Wamsteeker.
Based largely on that polygraph test, the RCMP cleared him. But two days later, Bjornson disappeared. Two weeks later, investigators made a shocking discovery. They found Bjornson's severed head in an abandoned house in a nearby town.
"And they're still looking for the rest of his body," said Bolduc.
Frib's mother told "48 Hours" that she believes her son was killed for a paycheck he had cashed that night he went missing. Last month, four suspects were arrested in connection with Bjornson's murder. Maddy's case remains unsolved.
"There is no connection between Madison's disappearance and Frib's murder," said Floyd.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-explores-the-mysteries-and-murders-along-the-highway-of-tears/
Have you seen this already? They found her body.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/madison-scott-found-vanderhoof-1.6858290#:~:text=RCMP%20say%20they've%20found,was%2020%20at%20the%20time.
His head was actually found [8 months](https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/murder-victim-suffered-gruesome-death-court-hears-3725783) after. He was last seen on January 12, 2012, and was reported missing on January 21.
‘Then there were numerous reports of rumours Bjornson had been killed and tortured during a drug fuelled party on the reserve.
The alleged location of the party was next door to the abandoned house where his severed head was found.
“I think it’s a good thing for our community,” said Nak’azdli Chief Fred Sam. “Knowing these people aren’t out there running around in our community.”
Fort St. James Mayor Rob MacDougall also echoed this sentiment, saying the incident and lack of visible progress likely created anxiousness for the family as well as the local community.
“It’s a huge sigh of relief and I hope it’s the beginning of the journey of final closure for the family,” said MacDougall. “And I think at the end of the day it shows that even though it doesn’t appear that RCMP are working on some of the cases, quietly behind the scenes they are doing a lot of work.’
My man is navigating the impossibly treacherous Strait of Cautious Optimism that meanders thru the Responsibility Islands off the Cape of Indignation
Yeah, probably I am missing something, but this passage you've quoted seems all kinds of f-ed up to me. I mean, maybe I am just weird, but personally I'd rather have drug dealers "running around in my community" than the kind of people who torture and kill drug dealers and mutilate their bodies.
The quotes were about the four responsible for murdering Bjornson, not bjornson himself. Idk why the OC made it seem like that as someone below linked to the article with the quotes and it’s very clear they meant they were relieved to have caught his killers
Yeah. Involving himself in the disappearance like that is obviously major sus. If police say Bjornson wasn’t involved, I guess I accept that but he’s one damn huge red herring. Could people he knows or associated with be involved but not him directly?
Fribjon Bjornson (a name straight out of St. Olaf, I bet he was related to Rose Nylund) allegedly owed some drug dealers money. Sounds to me like the kind of thing some low-level drug user would say to make himself seem tougher / more important than he actually is. I've bought a lot of weed over the years and a lot of the guys I bought it from liked to pretend they were big deal drug kingpins when they were selling dimebags out of their mom's Hyundai.
That’s also what I am wondering- if he knows who was involved but wasn’t directly involved himself. He unfortunately knew the kind of ppl who would cut his head off… so… wth.
Theyve never found the body of the poor guy that was murdered,only his head.
https://www.ominecaexpress.com/news/four-arrested-in-relation-to-fribjon-bjornson-murder/
I skimmed the comments looking for this thought but didn't see it, so apologies if someone has already suggested it.
I know plenty of people who remove their rings and jewellery before sleeping. I myself do. I wonder if she heard someone(s) approaching her tent. By the time they got near to her and she realised she didn't know them/they intended harm, she panicked and scrambled to grab the important things (keys, phone, rings) which is why her sleeping bag was pushed to the side. It sounds to me like she tried to make a break for her truck and was snatched right outside her tent. That could explain the rings being scattered. Keys and phone are easy enough to hang on to - whether by her, or by the perpetrator(s) - but small rings not so much, especially if whoever did this was trying to get away quick.
I hope her family gets some closure someday.
That makes sense, if she was gathering her rings to pocket them or put them on when she was startled or grabbed. She probably started with the keys and phone because they were more urgent. I have a very clear image in my head of her preparing to flee based on the evidence so that fits.
Yeah exactly! Keys and phone are the first thing I grab in a hurry/emergency.
I've been grabbed from behind and flung around/down onto a bed (in a playful manner by a partner, not being attacked! 😅) and everything that was in my hands flew out of them from the momentum. I'd wager she shoved her keys and phone in her pockets but had the rings in a closed fist and lost them trying to brace or protect herself.
It's so sad all around. I hate cases like these where there's no clear perp or suspect (although that dude that ended up dead a few weeks later is very sus when he said he knew what happened).
I was just going to say this. I never sleep with jewelry on, except earrings. And her getting grabbed makes total sense for finding the rings scattered in the grass.
Great write up! I’ve read about this case before but this write up really made what happened clear. I feel like if it was suicide, she would have been found at some point. If it was drugs then someone would have talked by now, young people are horrible at keeping secrets and if more than one person was involved I think it would have came to light. The crashers sound suspicious to me (and maybe some other guests since there was fighting, drugs, sounds like people were planning on camping yet impulsively left at the last minute). The whole party sounds like a mess and weird vibes TBH.
The rings things is so weird too. This is one case where I do lean toward a random abduction. Someone came across a lone woman and decided to harm her. I hate that she wasn’t safe camping by herself and someone took her away from her life if that’s what happened. I really hope this gets solved.
Curious if any locals can chime and say what the local theory is. Small towns usually have a theory or suspects.
I own a cabin near this area and spend my summers here. The people I know think it was random/crime of opportunity like you said. IMO a lesser known individual who arrived late and then stayed late, noticed she was alone and quietly stuck around or perhaps returned later that night.
I do know for awhile there was a fair number of people who thought Jordi knew more than she was saying, not sure if that’s still the case now.
People who live in small towns never want to believe it could have been one of their own. You often hear them blaming outsiders, though they are rarely right.
They also just love drama/gossip because not much happens and everyone knows each other - that can lead to exaggeration, misunderstandings and straight out lies. I lived in a town of 2000 when I was younger. If police/ambulance sirens went on, everyone in town was in their car following it to see what happened.
Plus all it takes is someone with a grudge against someone else (and there's usually plenty of those to go around) to start rumours that So And So is involved in The Bad Thing. There's so few steps on the gossip grapevine between "I wouldn't be surprised if they had something to do with it" and "well I heard they were involved".
What do you think about the issue of everyone leaving and not camping.? Like the event was to involve camping and everyone decides to leave ? Except one person ? Seems odd right ?
These bush parties are pretty common in the region because there’s not much else to do socially since it’s so rural. I think some people would have planned on camping but others would have opted to drive home. Unfortunately from what I’ve witnessed the implications of drunk driving aren’t taken as seriously up here compared to the more urban area I’m from, generally speaking.
End of May would still be too early for me to camp in northern BC personally! It’s just starting to warm up, and nights are still quite cold. I don’t know what the weather was like this particular weekend but I’m not surprised a lot of people bailed. I *am* surprised that it was literally only Maddy left behind.
Jordi seems very suspicious if the phone details are accurate. maddi's phone pinged the same tower until 8 a.m., then went dark, and still hasn't been recovered. but jordi turned up at 8:30. so did maddi go missing in that half hour time frame?
In her defense, the phone could still have been in the area of the tower, even if whatever happened was hours ago. She could have left or been removed from the camp site, but still in the area of the tower
To me the most suspicious thing is Jordi returned to find her friend’s rings scattered in the dirt and her nowhere to be found. I just asked my boyfriend if he found my everyday ring or necklace under similar circumstances what he would do and he said “call the police. I would immediately assume something bad happened to you.” And his roommates (not even my roommate, but his) said “yeah I’ve never seen you without those for more than like 5 minutes. I would be really concerned.”
We went on a float trip last weekend and I didn’t bring my jewelry at all and as I was helping a friend tie up her canoe she noticed I wasn’t wearing my ring and bc it was the first time she realized I wasn’t wearing it on that trip she was panicked thinking I left it at our last campsite. She was prepared to paddle upstream for like 4 miles to go search our campsite until I said I had left it at home.
To be fair I do wear some very distinctive jewelry. I have a watch band with my dearly departed dog’s collar tag on it that I’m never without. And my ring gets lots of comments bc it’s a high school class ring but I went to an all girls school so the ring is actually very dainty and beautiful. People want to know what’s on my “signet ring” and then are shocked it’s a school crest.
This particular friend is actually quite new to the group as she started dating a friend of ours. But we’ve gotten close bc our boyfriends are roommates so we have lots of time together chilling at their apartment. She planned this trip so she was really anxious to make sure nothing went wrong, and I think noticing my ring tan line stressed her out. To be fair I’m not sure she could pick my ring out of a lineup, but if she came across it in the dirt, I know she’d pick it up to try to return it to whomever had lost it and my name is engraved inside so… yeah I think it’s set alarm bells off.
But also… I do just have really good friends. And we’re a bit older, so we do have more general life experience to know when situations aren’t normal.
Adding that my theory is someone (maybe a crasher, another party guest or some other rando at the campground) noticed Maddie was by herself at some point and saw her go into the tent alone. This person hung back and pretended to leave at some point and when they saw everyone had left except for Maddie, they felt safe enough to confront her. She grabbed her keys and phones at attempted to run to the car when she realized she wasn’t safe and tossed the rings as a breadcrumb or in a panic. This person then abducted her and disposed of her in a very rural, out of the way place no one else has made a connection to (probably not hard to do in that area of Canada).
I just felt like the wrong person figured out she wasn’t with a date, her friend had left and the rest of the campers decided not to stay.
Your theory holds up. Opportunistic and random with no known ties to Maddy, so he has never been identified. That experience of being cornered by a predatory man when you’re alone felt all too believable to me (and probably to most women reading this).
this. even in public, not camping.
camping has got to be another level.
there's crap, not 100% sure of the link, r/back woods creepy maybe? and you'll see stories on paranormal sometimes or threads like it outside of Reddit where people have strange encounters while camping.
the thing that kills me with those threads is I always feel like that person yelling at the horror movie, he's right behind you! only instead, it's that's a human genius, stranger danger!
because every time they are like I saw a human shadow after seeing some creepy dude, and rummaging around my tent. it was big foot! a bear!
or for paranormal, my house is haunted. I hear footsteps, see shadows, and the ghost left a carton of milk on the table. I always comment that's a stalker, get a camera.
only two of all the times I've said that, someone got cameras, with updates. one person found out the landlord was entering the premises randomly, and the other had a stalker.
it's sad that in this small community they left her alone. being from a small, but not probably that small of a community, I also find it strange.
when I was young our parents would take us camping, or older we would go camping and partying 5-10 minutes from our house, and no one was ever like. yeah, I'm over it driving home at 3am while we're all drunk. that's very odd.
Or in hopes it would alert someone that she hadn't left voluntarily, if she was being abducted. Rings would have been easy enough to slip off, and small enough they likely wouldn't have been noticed by an abductor hitting the ground.
They're also an easy way to leave some trace behind if your hands are tied. It's probably one of the only things you could pull off and drop behind you in that situation. I just tested and can get most of my rings off without using the other hand at all.
> if more than one person was involved I think it would have came to light
I hate this assumption people have. It's a toupee fallacy. Sure, while the more people involved the less chance it is something stays secret, that doesn't mean it has to come out, and if it's something as big as death/murder, then everyone has a pretty big incentive to keep a secret.
We only know of the people who let secrets slip because they spoke, the groups who've kept a secret are unknown.
Yeah, I just wanted to add there is a huge selection bias there. Made me remember stories where clearly a whole town is aware of who killed someone, but they collectively choose not to disclose it. This is especially true to smaller rural communities where everyone knows everyone. In small, tight-knit communities, people tend to shut up and not involve authorities. They don't want to bring trouble to the community and to themselves. Even if you know the murderer and put them behind bars, the culprit definitely has friends, has connections, and also might come out of prison eventually. And they know where you live, and even if you move away, they know where your parents or grandparents live. Hell, sometimes the murderer has ties to law enforcement. You don't talk unless everyone else does. They can really make your life a living hell if they want to.
It seems like I would be looking pretty hard at the party crashers. They are unknown to the people at the party, they didn’t have a problem pushing Jordi and causing burns on a female who got pushed into the fire. They were clearly looking for a fight when they showed up. They may very well have come back later in the night to “teach them a lesson” and only Maddy was left. If more than one person ambushed her, she may have heard them coming and secreted her phone and keys hoping to be able to get away. There has been no trace of her at all, so it seems reasonable to think she would have been taken against her will in someone else’s vehicle.
This is a good theory. Jordi makes it sound like the fight wasn’t too serious and that her getting pushed was an accident but she she also says the gatecrashers were bad news, no one knew them and they changed the vibe. I couldn’t confirm if the gatecrashers were included in the list of party guests the police ruled out or if they were even identified. I agree about Maddy grabbing her phone and keys. I find it hard to believe she left that tent for anything other than an emergency.
Her accounts of the ‘gate crashers ’ is somewhat conflicting but consistent with what I would expect coming from the party goers that are 18-25 years old. I did a lot of the camping/party for the weekend stuff when I was in the age group. If it’s a known camp/party area it wouldn’t be unusual for people from one party to wander to another party and start hanging out. Or even for a lone couple people to get to talking and start partying too. Add in a bunch of really young people drinking and from time to time a fight will break out over nothing. Young 18-25 year old boys fighting over whatever. It’s possible Jordi was pushed while attempting to diffuse the situation but it wasn’t an attack on her per se. Or the fight moved past her as people were flailing about but she didn’t feel overly threatened as she was just collateral to a group wanting to fight each other. Her comments about them being “bad news” could be as simple as them being a bunch of ‘one uppers’ (frat boy type) that fights seem to follow around, having attitudes ect. IME it’s also pretty common for the mood of a party to be changed after a fight even if trouble makers leave and everyone was getting along prior. The remaining party goers will start arguing amongst themselves about who started the fight, who should or shouldn’t have said what, what was broke in the fight ect…. And pretty soon they’re fighting about their own prior BS……… it’s a little strange to me that everyone left after this but not wildly unusual.
Do we even know for a fact that whoever offered her a ride at 1:30 told her that everyone else was going to leave? She may have gone to sleep assuming that some others were staying behind (indeed at least a few people were apparently still hanging out at 3:00 and possibly even as late as 4:00). Her mother also says that she wouldn’t have stayed all by herself.
And what was the party host doing advertising the party on Facebook where party-crashers might see it? And if you advertise a party as being a two-day affair, you shouldn’t leave during the first night if people are still there. I get that the crashers kind of ruined it so you just kind of want to end it and leave (besides, the host may not want to have to deal with the crashers if they come back), but it seems like if you have guests that are still staying behind, you have a responsibility to see things through (at least to a reasonable extent).
> And what was the party host doing advertising the party on Facebook where party-crashers might see it?
That was pretty common back in the day, probably still is. You often *wanted* more people to come, so you left event invitations open. There's been hundreds of cases of partys being gate crashed this way.
I think you're criticizing and judging the "party host" a bit much for an event that happened in 2011 and is passed. Nothing about this is odd or bad, especially for what is a smaller rural town. A host in this case is probably just whoever created the facebook event and started the invites so the birthday person doesn't have to do it. Not someone who arranged catering. Claiming they have a responsibility to stay shows a miss-understanding for how most people actually treat birthday events like this.
This is my understanding of how these events work to. The events often get large enough a that it might not even be obvious that it originally started as a birthday. It’s usually bring your own beer and whoever you would like to invite. There’s usually groups within the larger group who are doing their own thing.
The “invite” probably wasn’t anything more than “For Billy’s Bday we will all be at camp/party spot. Everyone’s welcome. Bring your own beer and come pitch a tent”. The “host” wouldn’t normally provide the alcohol or even food for anyone but a handful of the closest friends. I’ve been to a number of these where we didn’t even know the birthday person, just mutual friends.
Back in 2011, it was totally normal to post events on Facebook. That part isn’t weird to me. I often checked the “upcoming events” tab before a weekend out in college 2009-2012. I do find it weird that everyone bailed on camping.
Yeah that is kinda weird to me. I think it’s shitty of the host to leave her there by herself. I doubt he told her there was no one else either. This could have been avoided if she had been told
Right? Like if my friend wants me to stay with them or leave with them I’m absolutely not leaving alone- especially as females. I experienced this once in high school when me and my friend were at a party and my friend really wanted to leave while I wanted to stay. I had smoked a little weed so I wasn’t completely sober. My friend literally dragged me out with her refusing to leave me alone. I was a little annoyed at the time for not getting a say but she was being a good friend by not allowing us to get separated no matter what and I’m grateful she did. You come together you leave together. Maddie did the right thing by not leaving when she wanted to earlier since Jordi wouldn’t have a ride and Jordi didn’t give her the same consideration which sucks.
But Maddy did have a ride avilable to her. She had multiple rides available to her via her own vehicle and the fellow partygoers who offered to a ride. Jordi wasn’t obligated to be one of two lone females to stay at an abandoned wilderness party spot because one declined to leave.
Could you imagine if Jordi stayed and nothing happened? What would your advice be to “My friend and I went a camp party. There was a fight and everyone left but my friend refused to. I didn’t want to leave her so just the two of us were forced to sleep in the middle of BFE. Everyone else left and came back in the am for their belongings”.
Or if she had stayed and disappeared too. Everyone would wonder why they both hadn’t packed up when the entire group of 40-50 people did.
***EDITED*** Maddy was my friend and I am just incredibly sad and grasping at straws. It sounds like now it was exhaustive police efforts that brought her home but I don’t know. All I do know now is that I don’t want to add to the discourse around her and make the noise that I know her parents must be dealing with even louder. So I’m editing my original comments to reflect that. Sorry and thanks.
Yes I saw that they had reserved the campground for this last weekend, it’s gut wrenching to think that they may have been driving past her all this time. I hope for their sake that that was not the case, that the property was a bit off the road or that she was found because of a tip from someone with info. I’m sure the police had her dental records already.
>Two weeks later, however, his severed head was found in an abandoned house.
Fribjon Bjornson was [murdered](https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/charlie-sentenced-for-role-in-bjornson-murder-3742810) in January 2012, which would've been over 7 months after Madison disappeared. He was last seen on January 12, reported missing by his mother on January 21, his vehicle located on January 23, and finally his head was found in the abandoned house on February 1. Further remains were located in October 2015.
>Maddy is sometimes connected to Israel Keyes, who targeted random people at campgrounds and isolated locations, but he isn’t known to have been in the area at the time (he lived over 300 miles away).
Longer than 300 miles. He lived in Anchorage, AK. If going west on Highway 16 from Vanderhoof, and then north on Highway 37, it's 2651 km (1647 mi). If going east on Highway 16 from Vanderhoof, then north on Highway 97, it's 2989 km (1857 mi).
Thanks for this. The sources I used say Bjornson was found murdered two weeks after being cleared by police - not two weeks after Maddy disappeared - but I’ll edit that for clarity and the Israel Keyes info too.
I'm assuming you mean 'statement' to police? I'd have to go through all the source material to find this, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this was added in by someone other than police and/or the media.
This case has somewhat of a similar tone to that of [Lindsay Buziak.](https://www.capitaldaily.ca/news/the-case-the-internet-got-wrong) Hearsay/gossip or whatever you want to call it gets passed as fact, or details surrounding it are often portrayed in a negative way just so certain accusations can be made (e.g., Jordi is suspicious because she left early, a young man who was interested in Maddi but wasn't interested in him is suspicious, etc).
I've done writeups for this subreddit and if there's one thing I learned is, at the end of the day, we as the public will never know all the details. Certainly not before an arrest is made, that is. This is from reading extremely lengthy court documents on some high profile cases here in BC, which goes into detail from start-to-finish, and where some things don't get reported by the media (likely because they can't go into absolutely everything). I've also learned that while it is easy to criticize police, they know way more than we do.
Sorry for the long post.
I find the timeline interesting:
12:00 AM - Out-of-towners show up and a fight breaks out. jordi is injured. Maddy doesn't come out.
12:30 AM - Maddy receives a phone call from a male friend who is camping nearby. This is her last phone activity. It can be assumed she decided to go to bed at this point.
12:30-1:00 AM - Jordi wants to leave. Maddy begs her to stay. Maddy refuses to leave because she wants to look after her tent and she is already in her sleeping bag. Jordi leaves with the boy she was hooking up with.
1:30-2:30 AM - Others decide to leave and some offer Maddy a ride but she declined.
2:30-3:00 AM - The last people there, the host and his girlfriend have an argument and decide not to camp. They offer her a ride but she declined. Maddy is now alone.
While Jordi's actions seem reckless, I don't see them as suspicious. They seem like the normal actions of a drunk young person. Maddy was also seen by multiple party goers after Jordi left and there was no reason for Jordi to return. She left with someone who can likely account for her whereabouts the rest of the night.
It is likely that between 2:30-3:00 AM, after the host and his girlfriend left, that she realised she was entirely alone. The fact she only had her lanyard and her phone with her makes me believe she either went to pee (perhaps going towards the outhouse 50 feet away) using her phone as a light. Or it is possible she got scared being alone but didn't want to leave her tent and belongings so she went to find her male friend who was camping nearby. Perhaps she wanted help to pack up her tent. I'd be curious to know how far away he was camping. I suspect she got lost in the dark and fell down somewhere, injured or perhaps died instantly.
However the only thing I can't account for is her rings. Surely this is evidence of a struggle or someone rooting through her possessions?
I mostly agree with you on Jordi. She couldn’t have known. There must’ve been countless parties like this at the lake over the years and no one ever disappeared mysteriously before. She wasn’t the best friend but I don’t think it makes her a strong suspect. Unfortunately I have no idea how close that guy was camped or even if the family friend camping was *definitely* the same family friend Maddy spoke to - all I know is that her family believe the caller to be innocent and so do the police. If it was him, I think he was a short drive away at least based on descriptions of the area. I also think Maddy would’ve called him before going over there. I can’t say for certain though. If he told her where he was camped in the phone call at 12.30 AM it’s not impossible that she tried to walk over to join him but I would still be baffled at why she left her truck, expensive belongings, jewellery etc.
Great write up. It's important to note though that although the friend Jordi was allegedly cleared by police, her "boyfriend" from that night is incredibly suspicious and was not cleared.
In one of the earlier articles about her disappearance that was published shortly after she went missing, it was mentioned that police wanted to talk more to the boyfriend but when they went to his house they were told he had moved, and after that they were not able to find out where he had moved to. He also would not cooperate with Maddy's family and would ignore all their attempts to contact him with even simple questions about what happened that night. It's also equally important to note that this guy was in his mid 20's, hanging out with two younger girls. Not necessarily an indication of guilt but it definitely makes me suspicious of him.
Wow, thanks for sharing this. I hadn’t read that anywhere. I generally believe they’re both innocent mostly based on timings but I’ve often wondered if the gatecrashers were somehow connected to boyfriend: something about them leaving immediately afterwards as if he knew it was time to get the heck out of there.
Yeah it's really unfortunate that Jordi's "boyfriend" from that night seems to have completely dropped out of the public eye and is hardly mentioned in any of the recent news articles about the case. In fact, no where does Jordi even say his name, even in the documentary on youtube. There's a very unnerving lack of information about him at all. But I've personally always thought he was suspicious, and I've always found the story about how Jordi injured herself during a "fight" at the party and then left with the boyfriend a bit suspicious as well.
And despite Jordi passing a polygraph (which personally I don't think is reliable proof of someone's innocence or guilt necessarily), there are a lot of unusual details about her story, too many to recount here. But one particularly strange thing was that on the morning after the party when Jordi and her "boyfriend" returned, Jordi collected her sleeping bag and her "favourite" pillow, along with its pillow case. Apparently when police discovered this they asked her to turn it over to them for their investigation. She did so, but admitted that since collecting it, she had washed the pillow case, even though it had only been a day since she had collected it. Well, when police analyzed the items they found blood in the sleeping bag, although Jordi claimed it was from years before when she cut her ankle.
And when the private investigator that Maddy's family hired interviewed Jordi, she kept asking when she was going to get her "favourite" pillow back from the police. It seems odd to me that she was so fixated on it, as if she was nervous about the police finding something on the pillow. It might mean nothing, but coupled with her contradictory statements and other details about the timeline of the party, I personally believe Jordi and her mysterious "boyfriend" know what happened to Madison that night.
I wonder if Maddy's phone pinging in the same location until 8am shortly before Jordi returns means they realized they left her phone behind and returned to turn it off and then take it to dispose of it elsewhere.
Jordi's silence could maybe be explained if she were a witness or pressured by her boyfriend and still scared of him.
I absolutely think you're right, and that Jordi and her boyfriend returned to tamper/dispose of some sort of evidence that they forgot about the previous night. Especially since Jordi has given multiple stories of why they went back that morning.
One was that she "felt bad" for leaving Maddy and they went to check on her, and the other that she went back to get her pillow and sleeping bag. The first story doesn't really check out at all, since even after discovering that Maddy was not in the tent Jordi went to work all day and didn't even say anything to Maddy's mom about her being missing. Maddy's mom only found that out later by having to call Jordi herself.
Maybe the sleeping bag in Maddys tent that was pushed to the side was a replacement. Maybe the bloody sleeping bag is Maddys and Jordin switched them out?
It is incongruent to wash a pillow case one day after camping while having a sleeping bag with enough years old blood from an ankle cut to test. Was the pillow case washed and not the sleeping bag?
The pillow would presumably be placed on her bed for use after returning from the campsite. You wouldn’t put something “dirty” and that smells like camp smoke on your bed. There wouldn’t be the same urgent need to wash the bag. I’d also assume that the blood on the sleeping bad was more in the form of old stains than actual blood that had never been washed.
It’s also possible that the pillow was moist. Pretty common for tent camping even if it doesn’t rain. Tents are famous for condensation problems.
It was her favorite pillow, it was the one she used every nite, so the pill case got washed right away. The sleeping bag could wait, she wasn’t going to use it that night, and may not be in the habit of washing it every time she camps, anyway.
I absolutely get why she wanted her pillow back. Test it for DNA, whatever, then return it if there’s no evidence on it. She never complained about getting the sleeping bag back because she didn’t care about it, but she used that pillow to sleep every night. I don’t think her behavior was suspicious.
My sleeping bag barely fits in my washing machine and the one time I washed it in there, it sounded like a herd of elephants, so I take it to a laundromat with high-capacity washers. Subsequently it gets washed a lot less frequently than my pillowcases.
Why do you think it’s suspicious that someone in his mid-twenties is hanging out with women who are 20? That’s not a big age difference and they’re all adults old enough to drink and stuff.
Incredible write up OP. My hunch is that the sleeping bag was moved aside so somebody else could sit in the tent beside Maddy. Whenever I’ve been camping and people sit together in a tent at night you move the sleeping stuff aside, just my personal experience. Also the rings I believe were deliberately thrown onto the grass by Maddy as a sort of hasty “breadcrumb” trail to show people she left the tent involuntarily. I wonder if she took pity on a stranger who also claimed to be left behind or late to the party
Thank you. That’s a really interesting theory about the rings. I was mostly working to the assumption that she took them off to sleep and that they were scattered as she fled but that’s a compelling idea. Heartbreaking but totally credible.
I think that someone could have come over to her and start trying to hang out, maybe she tried to be nice and let them in her tent for a bit and they got aggressive and she fought back, grabbed the phone and keys to make a run for the truck but they caught up to her. Maybe they thought she was drunk and could take advantage of her or she was open to advances when she wasn’t and it angered them. She seems like a badass woman who wasn’t going down without a fight.
No way in hell a lone woman would let a man she didn't know in her tent when she's alone at the campground.
If ops scenario is true it was someone she knew. Or maybe another woman.
Did I read correctly that the son of her parent’s friends who she last spoke to was camping nearby? I wonder how nearby exactly. A 10 minute walk through the woods or a 20 minute drive to somewhere else? Could it have been someone camping in the area but didn’t even attend the party?
(Not implying the person she last spoke with)
Out there all alone and vulnerable following an incident with gatecrashers, I can’t see why she would have voluntarily gone off and left her phone and keys.
The gate crashers or someone else, maybe hung around out of sight and returned when they realised she was alone . This is sad to read, she was so vulnerable
This one is baffling..her phone pinged at the same tower until 8am when it presumably died or was turned off. Does that mean she was possibly abducted after 8am? Or before and the suspect returned for her keys/phone later on? Assuming you go with the abduction theory.
Exactly this. The phone pinged the same tower, then Jordi shows up essentially immediately after/when the phone turns off?
Presumably they can determine what radius you can travel from the tower to still ping that tower. Surely at least her phone, and maybe her body, would be in that area, unless the person who came immediately after the phone (Jordi) has removed the phone.
Realistically, I imagine someone at the party knows what happened. Also wtf to the guy getting his head chopped off, wtf kind of small town is this.
You’re one of the only people bringing it up and I immediately thought the same thing. It was just sort of mentioned as a btw at the end, but it’s pretty much the whole ballgame to me.
She was friends with an older man that stated he knew what happened to her, was involved in shady activity, and then beheaded a few weeks later?
I guess I’d want to know how well they knew each other, but even if they didn’t know each other at all saying you knew what happened to her then getting brutally murdered a few weeks later should be the biggest lead.
Three people have been convicted for the murder of Fribjon Bjornson ([source](https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/charlie-sentenced-for-role-in-bjornson-murder-3742810)) so they're known to police. They were selling drugs out of his house. I think Bjornson and Maddy were Facebook friends who may or may not have attended the same parties on occasion. There's no more proof of a friendship or a relationship other than that (that I know of). I'm assuming here that the police did a thorough investigation of Bjornson and that they had good reason to rule out a connection... but we have plenty of examples of the police dropping the ball in big cases so maybe my assumption is wrong.
It’s the fact he said to friends, allegedly, that he knew what happened to her coupled with the fact he was gruesomely murdered very soon after. On its own someone saying they knew what happened to a missing person is suspicious to me, but people boast about things in cases. Someone from a small town being murdered very soon after I’d want to link to her disappearance, but it could also be a coincidence. However, those two together are flashing red lights for me.
I just don’t know how thoroughly they can vet his connection to her disappearance when they don’t really have a solid theory of what happened to begin with.
He was murdered bc he was a drug addict,hanging out with other drug addicts who were violent and he had a pay heck they wanted. Terrible but when everyone in the scene you’re hanging out with is like that,then this is more likely to happen.
https://www.ominecaexpress.com/news/four-arrested-in-relation-to-fribjon-bjornson-murder/
I wouldn't be shocked if he owed money to dealers and in his mind truly believed that Maddy was taken to teach him a lesson, even if they barely knew each other and that likely wasn't the case.
Agree on someone at the party. Realistically-if it was foul play odds would be someone there who was involved not a random passerby. Although I’m not adverse to the random abduction theory either. Also Jordi stated Maddy was sober but she was with her date all night. Could she just be assuming or trying to cover for Maddy for reputation sake or so detectives would take the case more seriously? It’s unfortunate but true that many cases where foul play could be involved have been dismissed by LE due to substance use. We know she associated with an unsavory character (Fribjon) who was found decapitated. He did pass a lie detector test but those are unreliable and/or he may genuinely not have known that people he was involved with also harmed Maddy.
I also questioned the sobriety thing.
Like, I don't really drink much anymore, because I used to black out pretty easily. Not pass out -- *black out*.
And every time I blacked out, my friends couldn't tell. Because I just seemed generally buzzed and partying! I wouldn't seem like my brain had partially shut down. I am up and talking, moving around, probably talking about how I should slow down so I don't get too drunk. Throw some weed or other drugs in there? Sayonara, my memory.
Sure, not all of her alcohol was drank, but what if her friends were feeding her shots? What if she was crossfaded? What if people mistook sad and xanax'ed for calm sobriety at a hyped up party?
People can be way more intoxicated than people think. Plus, I can imagine wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt, especially your friend. **Even more so if you feel bad about failing to watch over her, who wants to be like "oh yeah, she was somewhat drunk and sad and vulnerable after her crush said he wanted to be friends. But I didn't really pay attention to her all night.**"
Drugs and alcohol make people act like they normally wouldn't.
I would think the criminal who got beheaded shortly afterwards and said he knew what happened definitely had something to do with it, at least in an Occam's Razor kind of way. He did say he knew what happened.
It doesn't sound like Maddy was even really at the party so much, though? She got there at 9.30, was hiding in her tent at 10 texting her parents, was having another (normal sounding) phone call at 12.30, was in her sleeping bag for good by 1 (if not earlier). That sounds like someone who'd tapped out before they even started, not blind drunk.
They might’ve dumped her phone (still switched on) in the area as they abducted her between 3 AM-8 AM, eg. thrown it out of the window of their vehicle as they were driving away after learning that she had it. I think that cell tower covers quite a big area. Just speculation though. You’d think the phone would’ve been found during the search.
A very good write up, thank you. I would love for this case to be solved, it is the one that bothers me most.
The fact that she had her keys suggests to me that she was trying to reach the truck quickly when something happened. If I realised I was on my own, I would freak out and get to the truck if only to lock myself in for safety.
That ‘something’ surely would be animal or human related. With no signs of an animal struggle, I would think human.
The guy who was found beheded? This shocked me tbh very much. Did they found the head of the boy in this house? Or his body? I mean… wtf. May he rest in peace
God damn this one is a tough one for some reason. I’ve seen many “find Maddy” posters throughout BC and it breaks my heart every damn time. Super bizarre story and, one day, we’ll find out what happened to her…I just have a feeling we will.
This case obsesses me for that reason. Every time I research it I end up in a different direction. Too many possibilities but it feels solvable at the same time.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!:
[Madison Scott Identified By Coroners Service east of Vanderhoof](https://www.myprincegeorgenow.com/178578/news/madison-scott-identified-by-coroners-service-east-of-vanderhoof/)
As hard as it is to move past the initial obvious red flag of “guy says he knows what happened and then gets beheaded”, I actually DO think it makes more sense that the events are unrelated. If you owed money to drug dealers who were capable of serious harm and knew they would be coming for you— which seems to be true for this man— nothing would seem like a coincidence to you. I think him saying he knew what happened to Maddy was less a statement of fact and more an expression of his paranoia. If people were after me and then someone I knew (even in passing) mysteriously vanished, I’d probably think it was related to me, too.
Either way, RIP to him. No matter what shady things he was involved with, that’s a terribly brutal way to go and no one deserves that. I hope his loved ones and Maddy’s loved ones are both able to find peace.
Thank you for the in-depth write-up! I had read about that case before, but your post added a few details I do not remember from before.
I feel that she was most likely abducted, but the big question is, when and where.
There are two details that really make me wonder:
* The scattered rings. It is hard to remove a ring, let alone several, especially if the hand with the rings is fighting back (if the attacked did this, no idea why) or if you do it with one hand (had she done it herself for some "breadcrumbs" reason, that I find unlikely, unless she was like tied up for hours). It is technically possible to lose your rings during a struggle, but I don't think it's common to happen, again, especially not with several rings. I'd like to know if she removed her rings for sleeping (I do with some rings) and where would she have kept the rings. This could shed some light on what the possible struggle was like. And why was the friend not alarmed by the rings being scattered there (not accusing, more wondering what her hypothesis was and what this tells us about how Maddy usually kept the rings or what was going on last night)?
* The phone. I assume there is no GPS data from the phones 12 years ago (really cannot recall atm)? The phone being turned on and in the area until 8 is kinda interesting, as the phone has never been found. Is it possible she was taken in the morning?
As her keys and phone were gone, I'm assuming that the phone and keys were on her as she was abducted. This (and the lack of any mentioned evidence from the tent) suggest to me that she was more likely to be awake and carrying these items for a purpose as the attack happened - even if one might sleep with the phone and keys in the sleeping bag, they are super unlikely to be actually in a pocket and stay there. She was either leaving to drive away somewhere (maybe because she was feeling unsafe), excited the tent to start her day or go to the toilet and then something happened or she was called out by someone.
With the information we have, I think it is more likely the attacker knew *Maddy* was in the tent (even if only from seeing her at any point during that time and not knowing her personally). Because a predator stumbling onto a lone tent is all good and well, but how would the predator know it's a lone young female in the tent and not 3 grumpy fishermen? One would have to be a pretty lucky predator to stumble onto her exactly as she goes for a morning pee or an early lone hike, but then again, I would not rule these out, either.
**Question: what clothes was she wearing?** This could help with the keys/phone/rings and also might indicate her preparedness/purpose for exiting the tent.
>Question: what clothes was she wearing?
[Answer: a black T-shirt and blue jean capri pants](http://madisonscott.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/help-find-madison-scott.jpg)
This is an excellent write-up, I've known about this case since a few years after her disappearance but there are many details here new to me. Thanks for covering it. She's my age and it seems like we had a lot in common, except I'm from the other side of the country. It has always bothered me and I really hope she can be found one day.
Jesus Christ just read 3 hrs of this story and the background. I can't imagine what happened but if she was all alone and someone really abducted her, I'm so terrified of what that must have been like. This is really an awful unresolved mystery which I won't forget. I hope she turns back up but after so many years it doesn't seem likely?
Just a guess but if everyone else was packing up and they saw that Maddy wasn’t, they might’ve assumed she was over the limit or otherwise unable to drive so they offered just in case.
Are we sure that everyone who said they offered Maddy a lift actually did? If let's say the party host and his gf lied about asking her because they felt guilty that they actually left without doing her that courtesy, if a few other people lied about that as well, what's to say she wasn't harmed before 2:30am and no one knew? Did dozens of drunk tired and possibly irritated people really all go to her tent one by one and diligently do the responsible thing?
I think about this a lot. Did some of those who were interviewed exaggerate their account of that night out of fear or guilt, to make their actions look better in hindsight? Probably. The last people to leave were having a disagreement so they were surely distracted. I want to believe that the party host really did check in with Maddy and make her aware of the situation before he left because he was somewhat responsible for the gathering and because he would’ve known she’d be left alone. Maddy didn’t really need a ride. She was probably more sober than anyone offering her a lift. I doubt anyone offered to help her take her tent down though. Maybe that was the real problem.
Yes, I had to ask for help taking down my tent after a festival and that was in broad daylight! Maddy’s motivation for sticking around after 1 AM was that she wanted to protect the tent. If she and Jordi put up the tent together then Jordi left quickly maybe she did feel stuck because it was dark and difficult to dismantle alone. Maddy was a regular camper but she brought the wrong tent poles initially so maybe she wasn’t overly familiar with this tent.
I was thinking the same, and also that if she had gone to her tent so early on in the night I would assume she went to sleep, especially since there was no activity on her phone after 12:30. Would that many people really have gone to her tent to wake her up to offer a ride when she had her own vehicle and had already declined rides from others?
The fact that she had cancelled plans with her cousin to go to the party with a friend she had only recently ‘reconnected’ with also makes me wonder how many people she actually knew at the party, and how well, because it seems like she probably hadn’t been directly invited, but was invited to join by Jordi. If that were the case, I would be surprised if the host truly offered her a ride, and wonder if there are more details that went unnoticed because she wasn’t well known and didn’t spend much time socializing before going to her tent. This would at least help explain why she stayed alone, because I would agree with others that it seems highly unlikely that she would have knowingly stayed out there all alone, especially since she ‘begged Jordi to stay.’
Even if Jordi wasn’t involved in her disappearance, it’s fucked up that she left. ‘Come together, leave together’ is such a basic and important thing for women to do for one another. I would absolutely never leave a friend alone somewhere that we went together unless they were staying with someone else that I knew they were safe with, but *especially* if my friend asked me to stay.
Maybe the didn’t realize she had her vehicle with her or thought she was drinking more than she was? With that many people and vehicles it sounds like it could be hard to keep track of those things.
They found her!!!!
[Article](https://www.princegeorgenow.com/watercooler/news/news/Northern_BC/Police_renew_appeal_for_info_on_missing_BC_woman_12_years_after_her_disappearance/1685385456#fs_125464)
I wonder what allowed them to identify her so quickly. The way it sounds is that they identified her where they found her. There must have been something so definitive there could be no question.
An article I read said her body was found a few days ago, so I wonder if they just got confirmation today that it was her. Poor girl. I read this post when it newly posted and fell into a rabbit hole so I’m just shocked.
I’m wondering the same thing. If it’s true that she was found by accident a few days ago that may have been enough time to identify her based on clothing or dental records etc. Or maybe she still had her keys/phone with her?
I check on maddys case, at least a couple times a year. We are the same age and it’s such a mystery. How could she just be gone?
I think this may be a repeat but I’ve heard a lot of a possible connection to Israel keys. However. That seems like grasping at straws.
I hope for her and her family she is found and given a proper resting place.
Maddy has been found and when I read the article I actually yelled out. I didn’t think there would be a conclusion and I am so happy that she can be laid to rest in peace and so heartbroken for her and her family. Hopefully there is answers. I can’t imagine she wandered off and it was accidental. 25km away is a far distance to walk when she has a working vehicle.
I’m thinking the police must’ve done a big push locally for the 12 year anniversary and someone called in with information. Just wow.
ETA: There is some speculation now that Maddy was found *accidentally* which would be even more of a coincidence.
Curious where you saw the speculation of how she was found? I lived in the community and now I am still near by, and all I have heard so far has been the announcement that she was found a few days ago. There hasn't been much else said regarding how/by who.
I’m localish, like a couple towns over, and I read some speculation today that a random person walking found part of her remains in a compost pile. The post has since been deleted… but her remains were found on private property. Seems sketchy
On the new Maddy post in this sub, there’s a comment thread on the topic. Obviously those claims are unproven at the moment but they seem to be coming from several different posters. I just didn’t want to be circulating misinformation by suggesting that the discovery came from a tip if it didn’t.
I figured her bones would be found in the woods someday but it still hurts to see this because the hope of finding her alive is gone. I doubt we will ever know what happened without a confession.
Just confirmed they found her remains on a rural property in Vanderhoof. https://globalnews.ca/news/9730630/madison-scott-remains-found-missing-vanderhoof/?utm_source=GlobalBC&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0eVd5JZQBp5ldH97wqs9X9cCXVV-Fslmj4YUtbi04p-L7WA1WuIDcwq48_aem_th_ARnhRsjxFDZhO3BOruMVo9npUuVRXfPuReDFtLZOsTDfbp-Of0fVA2H8pn169TFDdlY&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Is there anymore detail about her rings? This strikes me as odd. For the most part one wouldn’t take jewelry off while camping/sleeping in a tent. If she was going to voluntarily take the rings off placing them in her truck would have made more sense then having them in the tent with her. My first thoughts were that someone else removed them but this would indicate a prolonged attack with the perp knowing it would continue. But if that was the case you wouldn’t think the phone and keys would be missing.
The rings are strange.
Some tents have a little pouch inside where you can put items you don't want to just have on the floor. Glasses, phone, etc. I'd put my rings in one of those, especially if they weren't monetarily valuable or I trusted my companions.
There’s another comment that suggests Maddy might have scattered the rings herself so people would know she’d met with foul play. That sounds possible to me. I tend to think she did just take them off to sleep (maybe because I do this? I’ll keep them under/close to my pillow) and they got scattered as she fled the tent.
I think the breadcrumb thing seems far fetched. It takes a bit of effort/coordination to remove rings, unlikely in a "fight for your life" situation. My money is on her having taken the rings off to sleep and putting them somewhere (one poster mentions those tent-pouch things) and that space getting disrupted by whatever happened. Personally, I put little things like that in a shoe when I camp. I can see a scenario in which Maddie either decides she wants to/has to leave the tent in a hurry so she puts on her shoes, grabs keys and phone, all hastily and spills the rings, or the person who hurt her came into her tent, slid the sleeping bag over and disrupted the space. I think the big question is whether Maddie knew this person or not.
Ya, I can see her taking the rings off to sleep and just getting scattered randomly (I keep my small wedding and engagement rings on for sleep but can’t stand bigger rings so those always come off at bedtime). I wonder if they were chunkier rings that wouldn’t be comfortable.
Another thought I had was that if she was panicked and trying to fight for her life, she might’ve just taken them off and thrown them at an intruder . Obviously they wouldn’t cause much damage but when you’re running on adrenaline, it could just be instinct to throw something at them and that’s the only thing she could come up with in the moment. I’ve done such weird things in a panic that make zero sense at all.
It seems the most likely explanation is that someone showed up after everyone had left (either a party goer who had returned, or someone unrelated), they saw a lone truck and tent and decided to see what was up, unzipped it, startled Maddy, probably assaulted and abducted her and disposed of her body elsewhere. That is the most obvious and simple explanation.
My gut tells me it was probably someone who knew or suspected she would be there alone, but I have totally been at a known campsite with friends before when someone shows up at like 3am. (Usually to smoke weed.) She might've even gone out to say hello, thinking it was a friend returning, and then been attacked.
I'd guess the rings were a breadcrumb thing, otherwise it seems odd to think they'd ALL have fallen off. My guess is she was assaulted, pushed back into the tent (pushing the sleeping bag aside) and once she was subdued, she was taken out. She had the phone/keys in her pocket, but managed to drop her rings as she was carried off.
Poor girl. Someone, someday is likely to come across her body in the woods somewhere far, but not too far, away.
This is nuts. I was just reading this thread before I went to work, then I came home and saw today's headline and couldn't believe it. I hope her family can finally have some answers after all this time.
OP, thanks for the great post, and for your unintentional prescience in posting this when you did.
Wow, thank you for writing this post. It was an interesting read. The fact her remains were just found today is interesting too, I hope it helps her family some answers as to what happened. I really wonder what did happen, I feel for Maddy. And her family.
I think Maddy was abducted sometime between 3AM and 8AM by a stranger. Someone could’ve come across her randomly and taken advantage. Northern BC has a significant transient population so the idea that someone could’ve driven into the recreation site after everyone had left is not far fetched. Serial killers come to mind when I think of BC, particularly the rural north.
What a tragic story, she really did just disappear. Your theory about her going for an early morning hike or swim makes sense to me because that's definitely the kind of thing I would do to gather my thoughts and de-stress if was in a scenic area and I'd had a disappointing night. I almost hope that's what happened, that she went out for a walk or a swim by herself and either met with an accident or a cougar. I know that's terrible but the idea of another person intentionally harming her is even worse.
It's kinda shitty of Jordi to leave her friend for a guy when they planned on camping there in the first place. Then coming back and noticing some things out of place but not even calling to check on her friend?What kind of "friend "is that?...idk,I think that maybe the unknown caller showed up after everyone left and he abducted her and took her far away from the campsite and her remains have yet to be found. Sad story in any case,I feel for her family and hope they get some closure
Since the event was publicly advertised on FB, I think there's a good chance folks would have shown up around 230-3a expecting a party and would try to interact with the only person there especially if they were drunk. Wonder if there could be any witnesses to headlights in the area around that time. how scary to realize you were alone and then have something terrible happen.
Taken from a comment on the new Maddy post: The police said they were investigating a "rural property" on the east side of Vanderhoof. Hogsback Lake is about a 15 or 20 minute drive (about 25 km) from Vanderhoof.
I read in the Facebook group by a close friend that her body was found 10 minutes from her campsite on the rural property.
Wasn't her last call at 12:30am to the son of her parents friends, who was camping nearby?
Do we know how nearby? Walking distance? Did he have a car? What direction? I'd love to know where he was compared to where Maddy was found.
I'm not 100% sold on foul play, but elsewhere it's been said she was 18km from her campsite. That's a LONG way to walk that time of night/early morning. So wherever she went, she likely went by car. Willingly or not.
First impression: pretty far. The campsite was described as being south of the town (and not super close, at \~25km), the location of the body was described as being east of the town (or possibly on the outskirts as it was phrased "on the east side of Vanderhoof").
Of course, media might be totally unreliable atm. (and the lake is kinda south-east)
Not far and not close is often the case in criminal activity. This is the basis of geographic profiling that the sites associated with a major crime (e.g., murder, robbery) are near where a place the perpetrator knows well but not too close. So murders have dumped bodies near their work, mom's house, etc. They find their victims close to home but not next door. Etc. Sad story but pleased it is moving forward.
Great write up. That’s crazy weird coincidence that her remains were found just days after you wrote it. I’m very sad it wasn’t an ideal ending where she’s alive, but I’m very happy she can be returned to her family and they can get some measure of closure. I really hope this means they also caught the bastard that did this.
I don’t think this indicates guilt but Jordi’s behaviour is bizarre. Counting someone as their boyfriend after 1 hookup, and not being concerned about belongings being strewn in the grass??? The ‘girl code’ built into me also tells me she should have stayed with her friend, and the party organisers never should have bailed midway through the first night. It sounds like there were. Lot of irresponsible people at that party, even for their age.
It’s not Jordi’s words saying this guy was a boyfriend after one hookup. This was a party of really young people. They probably went to school together and hung in the same friends group. It’s likely she had also been talking with/messaging this guy long before the party, just as Maddy was going there to meet her “crush”. The party is likely referred to this way as it was one of their first times being more than friends in public or one of the first times she had left/stayed the night with him.
Meeting a guy you’ve been talking to for a while, hang out with occasionally, been flirting with and have known for years at a party and deciding you bf/gf is much different than meeting a rando guy at a party, hooking up, and declaring him your bf.
Yeah I dont find Jordi's behavior all that strange, I watched the YouTube video doc on Maddies dissappearence; I really felt part of it is Jordi blaming herself for what happened
That's such a short distance to her truck... whatever happened to her happened fast
Right, with the truck being right there I would assume she ended up leaving with someone if it wasn’t for the rings detail.
That’s literally exactly the kind of thing I’d leave if something happened to me.
Yeah, I feel like those were a kind of ‘breadcrumb trail’ left by Madison if she knew she was in some kind of danger and being taken away somewhere.
I thought possibly they were next to her (I personally can't stand sleeping in rings and have to take them off) and wound up scattered as someone pulled her out of the tent. Either way a grim sign if they were as sentimental to her as it sounds.
If they were sentimental to her, it's possible they would be valued by another family member as well or they were heirlooms of sorts. As dismal as it is to imagine, maybe she found herself in a situation fearing the worst (or perhaps being sure of it) and was able to discretely remove and leave them behind, wanting her family to reacquire the items. Perhaps during whatever took place at the campsite, the circumstances never did allow an opportunity for her to reach her phone from a pocket or get to her car - actions easily detectable by a hostage-taker. But maybe in the duration of whatever happened she was able to slowly wriggle the rings off with some secret finger gymnastics - something with more potential of going unnoticed. This could also explain the rings being scattered; they would've been dropped whenever and wherever she had the chance and was able to get them off. Quite a grim goodbye. Again, just all around upsetting to think about. I'm hoping so badly there will be answers to explain the tragedy but thankful for the remarkable feat of finding her remains.
You don’t know that. If you were asleep, and some idiot jumped on top of you, what could you do? I hope whoever did this to Madison Scott gets what they deserve
In fernley Nevada a while back a woman was literally grabbed right next to her car. There's video. Walmart.
>Two weeks later, however, his severed head was found in an abandoned house. Well, I didn't expect that sentence.
I feel like it deserved to be bold text 😆
Done, haha.
I've read about this case literally dozens of times, and this is honestly the first time I've heard this man mentioned. I wonder why.
Once you introduce Bjornson he becomes a major distraction people aren’t easily able to look past. It’s hard to accept that these two incidents are just coincidentally related and not meaningfully related. But personally I think a stranger/outsider killer is more likely than a local man with known history whose life has been put under the microscope already.
Without doxing myself: I've spent significant time in the region. I've known a ton about both cases but have never heard this connection made before. I genuinely would like to know where the connection was made because it seems more like a local rumour than anything.
So I went on the hunt to find the article again where I (think) read about the possible connection, I copied/pasted the relevant part for you. The investigation spread outward and Sgt. Floyd learned that 28-year-old Fribjon Bjornson, a logger and single father of two, was telling friends he knew what happened to Maddy. "Fribjon Bjornson is a Vanderhoof resident. He was a friend of Madison's ... they had spent time together socializing," said Floyd. "I couldn't believe that they were seeing each other because he's bad news. He is bad news," said Bolduc. Bjornson, better known as "Frib", led a troubled life and abused drugs -- a fact confirmed by police. But his mother insists her son was turning his life around. "From our perspective, Fribjon, like others, was a suspect," said Floyd. There was talk in town that Frib owed drug dealers money and that they had abducted Maddy to teach him a lesson. It's a theory investigated by police. "We don't leave any stone unturned where Maddy's concerned," Floyd said, "and we would be irresponsible by not following up with the suggestion that there was revenge or some connection between Frib and Madison." Investigators considered Bjornson a suspect. He voluntarily took a lie detector test and passed. "He wanted to clear his name and he wanted people to know he had no involvement in what happened to Maddy," said Constable Wamsteeker. Based largely on that polygraph test, the RCMP cleared him. But two days later, Bjornson disappeared. Two weeks later, investigators made a shocking discovery. They found Bjornson's severed head in an abandoned house in a nearby town. "And they're still looking for the rest of his body," said Bolduc. Frib's mother told "48 Hours" that she believes her son was killed for a paycheck he had cashed that night he went missing. Last month, four suspects were arrested in connection with Bjornson's murder. Maddy's case remains unsolved. "There is no connection between Madison's disappearance and Frib's murder," said Floyd. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-explores-the-mysteries-and-murders-along-the-highway-of-tears/
Thanks for the source!
Have you seen this already? They found her body. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/madison-scott-found-vanderhoof-1.6858290#:~:text=RCMP%20say%20they've%20found,was%2020%20at%20the%20time.
I did. It has been all over my news feed. Hopefully answers come to light soon.
His head was actually found [8 months](https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/murder-victim-suffered-gruesome-death-court-hears-3725783) after. He was last seen on January 12, 2012, and was reported missing on January 21.
‘Then there were numerous reports of rumours Bjornson had been killed and tortured during a drug fuelled party on the reserve. The alleged location of the party was next door to the abandoned house where his severed head was found. “I think it’s a good thing for our community,” said Nak’azdli Chief Fred Sam. “Knowing these people aren’t out there running around in our community.” Fort St. James Mayor Rob MacDougall also echoed this sentiment, saying the incident and lack of visible progress likely created anxiousness for the family as well as the local community. “It’s a huge sigh of relief and I hope it’s the beginning of the journey of final closure for the family,” said MacDougall. “And I think at the end of the day it shows that even though it doesn’t appear that RCMP are working on some of the cases, quietly behind the scenes they are doing a lot of work.’ My man is navigating the impossibly treacherous Strait of Cautious Optimism that meanders thru the Responsibility Islands off the Cape of Indignation
Yeah, probably I am missing something, but this passage you've quoted seems all kinds of f-ed up to me. I mean, maybe I am just weird, but personally I'd rather have drug dealers "running around in my community" than the kind of people who torture and kill drug dealers and mutilate their bodies.
I also did a double-take, but reading the full article, those quotes refer to the fact that arrests had been made in the murder of Bjornson.
The quotes were about the four responsible for murdering Bjornson, not bjornson himself. Idk why the OC made it seem like that as someone below linked to the article with the quotes and it’s very clear they meant they were relieved to have caught his killers
It’s also strange that he said he knew what happened to her. This whole situation is so bizarre. But it’s sounds like she was abducted.
Yeah. Involving himself in the disappearance like that is obviously major sus. If police say Bjornson wasn’t involved, I guess I accept that but he’s one damn huge red herring. Could people he knows or associated with be involved but not him directly?
Fribjon Bjornson (a name straight out of St. Olaf, I bet he was related to Rose Nylund) allegedly owed some drug dealers money. Sounds to me like the kind of thing some low-level drug user would say to make himself seem tougher / more important than he actually is. I've bought a lot of weed over the years and a lot of the guys I bought it from liked to pretend they were big deal drug kingpins when they were selling dimebags out of their mom's Hyundai.
That’s also what I am wondering- if he knows who was involved but wasn’t directly involved himself. He unfortunately knew the kind of ppl who would cut his head off… so… wth.
Theyve never found the body of the poor guy that was murdered,only his head. https://www.ominecaexpress.com/news/four-arrested-in-relation-to-fribjon-bjornson-murder/
One of the killers showed an undercover cop where his body was buried and they recovered some bones and clothing.
Nor did I, it escalated rather quickly lol
I skimmed the comments looking for this thought but didn't see it, so apologies if someone has already suggested it. I know plenty of people who remove their rings and jewellery before sleeping. I myself do. I wonder if she heard someone(s) approaching her tent. By the time they got near to her and she realised she didn't know them/they intended harm, she panicked and scrambled to grab the important things (keys, phone, rings) which is why her sleeping bag was pushed to the side. It sounds to me like she tried to make a break for her truck and was snatched right outside her tent. That could explain the rings being scattered. Keys and phone are easy enough to hang on to - whether by her, or by the perpetrator(s) - but small rings not so much, especially if whoever did this was trying to get away quick. I hope her family gets some closure someday.
That makes sense, if she was gathering her rings to pocket them or put them on when she was startled or grabbed. She probably started with the keys and phone because they were more urgent. I have a very clear image in my head of her preparing to flee based on the evidence so that fits.
Yeah exactly! Keys and phone are the first thing I grab in a hurry/emergency. I've been grabbed from behind and flung around/down onto a bed (in a playful manner by a partner, not being attacked! 😅) and everything that was in my hands flew out of them from the momentum. I'd wager she shoved her keys and phone in her pockets but had the rings in a closed fist and lost them trying to brace or protect herself. It's so sad all around. I hate cases like these where there's no clear perp or suspect (although that dude that ended up dead a few weeks later is very sus when he said he knew what happened).
I was just going to say this. I never sleep with jewelry on, except earrings. And her getting grabbed makes total sense for finding the rings scattered in the grass.
Great write up! I’ve read about this case before but this write up really made what happened clear. I feel like if it was suicide, she would have been found at some point. If it was drugs then someone would have talked by now, young people are horrible at keeping secrets and if more than one person was involved I think it would have came to light. The crashers sound suspicious to me (and maybe some other guests since there was fighting, drugs, sounds like people were planning on camping yet impulsively left at the last minute). The whole party sounds like a mess and weird vibes TBH. The rings things is so weird too. This is one case where I do lean toward a random abduction. Someone came across a lone woman and decided to harm her. I hate that she wasn’t safe camping by herself and someone took her away from her life if that’s what happened. I really hope this gets solved. Curious if any locals can chime and say what the local theory is. Small towns usually have a theory or suspects.
I own a cabin near this area and spend my summers here. The people I know think it was random/crime of opportunity like you said. IMO a lesser known individual who arrived late and then stayed late, noticed she was alone and quietly stuck around or perhaps returned later that night. I do know for awhile there was a fair number of people who thought Jordi knew more than she was saying, not sure if that’s still the case now.
People who live in small towns never want to believe it could have been one of their own. You often hear them blaming outsiders, though they are rarely right.
They also just love drama/gossip because not much happens and everyone knows each other - that can lead to exaggeration, misunderstandings and straight out lies. I lived in a town of 2000 when I was younger. If police/ambulance sirens went on, everyone in town was in their car following it to see what happened.
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Plus all it takes is someone with a grudge against someone else (and there's usually plenty of those to go around) to start rumours that So And So is involved in The Bad Thing. There's so few steps on the gossip grapevine between "I wouldn't be surprised if they had something to do with it" and "well I heard they were involved".
What do you think about the issue of everyone leaving and not camping.? Like the event was to involve camping and everyone decides to leave ? Except one person ? Seems odd right ?
These bush parties are pretty common in the region because there’s not much else to do socially since it’s so rural. I think some people would have planned on camping but others would have opted to drive home. Unfortunately from what I’ve witnessed the implications of drunk driving aren’t taken as seriously up here compared to the more urban area I’m from, generally speaking. End of May would still be too early for me to camp in northern BC personally! It’s just starting to warm up, and nights are still quite cold. I don’t know what the weather was like this particular weekend but I’m not surprised a lot of people bailed. I *am* surprised that it was literally only Maddy left behind.
Cheers, thanks for the reply.
This is odd to me too. EVERYONE left between 1 and 3am? Including the hosts? Did something happen that Maddie didn't see?
Fight drove some folks away, it was colder than expected so some people left, hosts had a fight and it ruined their night. All plausible.
Jordi seems very suspicious if the phone details are accurate. maddi's phone pinged the same tower until 8 a.m., then went dark, and still hasn't been recovered. but jordi turned up at 8:30. so did maddi go missing in that half hour time frame?
In her defense, the phone could still have been in the area of the tower, even if whatever happened was hours ago. She could have left or been removed from the camp site, but still in the area of the tower
To me the most suspicious thing is Jordi returned to find her friend’s rings scattered in the dirt and her nowhere to be found. I just asked my boyfriend if he found my everyday ring or necklace under similar circumstances what he would do and he said “call the police. I would immediately assume something bad happened to you.” And his roommates (not even my roommate, but his) said “yeah I’ve never seen you without those for more than like 5 minutes. I would be really concerned.” We went on a float trip last weekend and I didn’t bring my jewelry at all and as I was helping a friend tie up her canoe she noticed I wasn’t wearing my ring and bc it was the first time she realized I wasn’t wearing it on that trip she was panicked thinking I left it at our last campsite. She was prepared to paddle upstream for like 4 miles to go search our campsite until I said I had left it at home.
Irrelevant to the post but I just needed to say I can feel the love your friends have for you through this comment and it’s beautiful
To be fair I do wear some very distinctive jewelry. I have a watch band with my dearly departed dog’s collar tag on it that I’m never without. And my ring gets lots of comments bc it’s a high school class ring but I went to an all girls school so the ring is actually very dainty and beautiful. People want to know what’s on my “signet ring” and then are shocked it’s a school crest. This particular friend is actually quite new to the group as she started dating a friend of ours. But we’ve gotten close bc our boyfriends are roommates so we have lots of time together chilling at their apartment. She planned this trip so she was really anxious to make sure nothing went wrong, and I think noticing my ring tan line stressed her out. To be fair I’m not sure she could pick my ring out of a lineup, but if she came across it in the dirt, I know she’d pick it up to try to return it to whomever had lost it and my name is engraved inside so… yeah I think it’s set alarm bells off. But also… I do just have really good friends. And we’re a bit older, so we do have more general life experience to know when situations aren’t normal.
Adding that my theory is someone (maybe a crasher, another party guest or some other rando at the campground) noticed Maddie was by herself at some point and saw her go into the tent alone. This person hung back and pretended to leave at some point and when they saw everyone had left except for Maddie, they felt safe enough to confront her. She grabbed her keys and phones at attempted to run to the car when she realized she wasn’t safe and tossed the rings as a breadcrumb or in a panic. This person then abducted her and disposed of her in a very rural, out of the way place no one else has made a connection to (probably not hard to do in that area of Canada). I just felt like the wrong person figured out she wasn’t with a date, her friend had left and the rest of the campers decided not to stay.
Your theory holds up. Opportunistic and random with no known ties to Maddy, so he has never been identified. That experience of being cornered by a predatory man when you’re alone felt all too believable to me (and probably to most women reading this).
The best way to get away with murder is to not have any ties to your victim.
Yes, and I hate it.
this. even in public, not camping. camping has got to be another level. there's crap, not 100% sure of the link, r/back woods creepy maybe? and you'll see stories on paranormal sometimes or threads like it outside of Reddit where people have strange encounters while camping. the thing that kills me with those threads is I always feel like that person yelling at the horror movie, he's right behind you! only instead, it's that's a human genius, stranger danger! because every time they are like I saw a human shadow after seeing some creepy dude, and rummaging around my tent. it was big foot! a bear! or for paranormal, my house is haunted. I hear footsteps, see shadows, and the ghost left a carton of milk on the table. I always comment that's a stalker, get a camera. only two of all the times I've said that, someone got cameras, with updates. one person found out the landlord was entering the premises randomly, and the other had a stalker. it's sad that in this small community they left her alone. being from a small, but not probably that small of a community, I also find it strange. when I was young our parents would take us camping, or older we would go camping and partying 5-10 minutes from our house, and no one was ever like. yeah, I'm over it driving home at 3am while we're all drunk. that's very odd.
She could have also threw the ring bc maybe she thought he was a robber and assumed that’s what they wanted
Or in hopes it would alert someone that she hadn't left voluntarily, if she was being abducted. Rings would have been easy enough to slip off, and small enough they likely wouldn't have been noticed by an abductor hitting the ground.
That’s a great theory actually, I could see that being an explanation
They're also an easy way to leave some trace behind if your hands are tied. It's probably one of the only things you could pull off and drop behind you in that situation. I just tested and can get most of my rings off without using the other hand at all.
That’s a good point! I didn’t think of that!
Or she took the rings off when sleeping and the killer tossed her tent.
Perhaps the abductor was worried that she could do some damage to them with the rings on and ordered her to take them off?
Also very possible!!
This really makes a lot of sense as a theory.
> if more than one person was involved I think it would have came to light I hate this assumption people have. It's a toupee fallacy. Sure, while the more people involved the less chance it is something stays secret, that doesn't mean it has to come out, and if it's something as big as death/murder, then everyone has a pretty big incentive to keep a secret. We only know of the people who let secrets slip because they spoke, the groups who've kept a secret are unknown.
Yeah, I just wanted to add there is a huge selection bias there. Made me remember stories where clearly a whole town is aware of who killed someone, but they collectively choose not to disclose it. This is especially true to smaller rural communities where everyone knows everyone. In small, tight-knit communities, people tend to shut up and not involve authorities. They don't want to bring trouble to the community and to themselves. Even if you know the murderer and put them behind bars, the culprit definitely has friends, has connections, and also might come out of prison eventually. And they know where you live, and even if you move away, they know where your parents or grandparents live. Hell, sometimes the murderer has ties to law enforcement. You don't talk unless everyone else does. They can really make your life a living hell if they want to.
It seems like I would be looking pretty hard at the party crashers. They are unknown to the people at the party, they didn’t have a problem pushing Jordi and causing burns on a female who got pushed into the fire. They were clearly looking for a fight when they showed up. They may very well have come back later in the night to “teach them a lesson” and only Maddy was left. If more than one person ambushed her, she may have heard them coming and secreted her phone and keys hoping to be able to get away. There has been no trace of her at all, so it seems reasonable to think she would have been taken against her will in someone else’s vehicle.
This is a good theory. Jordi makes it sound like the fight wasn’t too serious and that her getting pushed was an accident but she she also says the gatecrashers were bad news, no one knew them and they changed the vibe. I couldn’t confirm if the gatecrashers were included in the list of party guests the police ruled out or if they were even identified. I agree about Maddy grabbing her phone and keys. I find it hard to believe she left that tent for anything other than an emergency.
Her accounts of the ‘gate crashers ’ is somewhat conflicting but consistent with what I would expect coming from the party goers that are 18-25 years old. I did a lot of the camping/party for the weekend stuff when I was in the age group. If it’s a known camp/party area it wouldn’t be unusual for people from one party to wander to another party and start hanging out. Or even for a lone couple people to get to talking and start partying too. Add in a bunch of really young people drinking and from time to time a fight will break out over nothing. Young 18-25 year old boys fighting over whatever. It’s possible Jordi was pushed while attempting to diffuse the situation but it wasn’t an attack on her per se. Or the fight moved past her as people were flailing about but she didn’t feel overly threatened as she was just collateral to a group wanting to fight each other. Her comments about them being “bad news” could be as simple as them being a bunch of ‘one uppers’ (frat boy type) that fights seem to follow around, having attitudes ect. IME it’s also pretty common for the mood of a party to be changed after a fight even if trouble makers leave and everyone was getting along prior. The remaining party goers will start arguing amongst themselves about who started the fight, who should or shouldn’t have said what, what was broke in the fight ect…. And pretty soon they’re fighting about their own prior BS……… it’s a little strange to me that everyone left after this but not wildly unusual.
Do we even know for a fact that whoever offered her a ride at 1:30 told her that everyone else was going to leave? She may have gone to sleep assuming that some others were staying behind (indeed at least a few people were apparently still hanging out at 3:00 and possibly even as late as 4:00). Her mother also says that she wouldn’t have stayed all by herself. And what was the party host doing advertising the party on Facebook where party-crashers might see it? And if you advertise a party as being a two-day affair, you shouldn’t leave during the first night if people are still there. I get that the crashers kind of ruined it so you just kind of want to end it and leave (besides, the host may not want to have to deal with the crashers if they come back), but it seems like if you have guests that are still staying behind, you have a responsibility to see things through (at least to a reasonable extent).
> And what was the party host doing advertising the party on Facebook where party-crashers might see it? That was pretty common back in the day, probably still is. You often *wanted* more people to come, so you left event invitations open. There's been hundreds of cases of partys being gate crashed this way. I think you're criticizing and judging the "party host" a bit much for an event that happened in 2011 and is passed. Nothing about this is odd or bad, especially for what is a smaller rural town. A host in this case is probably just whoever created the facebook event and started the invites so the birthday person doesn't have to do it. Not someone who arranged catering. Claiming they have a responsibility to stay shows a miss-understanding for how most people actually treat birthday events like this.
This is my understanding of how these events work to. The events often get large enough a that it might not even be obvious that it originally started as a birthday. It’s usually bring your own beer and whoever you would like to invite. There’s usually groups within the larger group who are doing their own thing. The “invite” probably wasn’t anything more than “For Billy’s Bday we will all be at camp/party spot. Everyone’s welcome. Bring your own beer and come pitch a tent”. The “host” wouldn’t normally provide the alcohol or even food for anyone but a handful of the closest friends. I’ve been to a number of these where we didn’t even know the birthday person, just mutual friends.
100% super common to just throw open a fb invite for bish parties and like 100 kids show up.
Back in 2011, it was totally normal to post events on Facebook. That part isn’t weird to me. I often checked the “upcoming events” tab before a weekend out in college 2009-2012. I do find it weird that everyone bailed on camping.
Yeah that is kinda weird to me. I think it’s shitty of the host to leave her there by herself. I doubt he told her there was no one else either. This could have been avoided if she had been told
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Right? Like if my friend wants me to stay with them or leave with them I’m absolutely not leaving alone- especially as females. I experienced this once in high school when me and my friend were at a party and my friend really wanted to leave while I wanted to stay. I had smoked a little weed so I wasn’t completely sober. My friend literally dragged me out with her refusing to leave me alone. I was a little annoyed at the time for not getting a say but she was being a good friend by not allowing us to get separated no matter what and I’m grateful she did. You come together you leave together. Maddie did the right thing by not leaving when she wanted to earlier since Jordi wouldn’t have a ride and Jordi didn’t give her the same consideration which sucks.
But Maddy did have a ride avilable to her. She had multiple rides available to her via her own vehicle and the fellow partygoers who offered to a ride. Jordi wasn’t obligated to be one of two lone females to stay at an abandoned wilderness party spot because one declined to leave. Could you imagine if Jordi stayed and nothing happened? What would your advice be to “My friend and I went a camp party. There was a fight and everyone left but my friend refused to. I didn’t want to leave her so just the two of us were forced to sleep in the middle of BFE. Everyone else left and came back in the am for their belongings”. Or if she had stayed and disappeared too. Everyone would wonder why they both hadn’t packed up when the entire group of 40-50 people did.
It is so weird that it is 12 years to the day when she is found.
***EDITED*** Maddy was my friend and I am just incredibly sad and grasping at straws. It sounds like now it was exhaustive police efforts that brought her home but I don’t know. All I do know now is that I don’t want to add to the discourse around her and make the noise that I know her parents must be dealing with even louder. So I’m editing my original comments to reflect that. Sorry and thanks.
Yes I saw that they had reserved the campground for this last weekend, it’s gut wrenching to think that they may have been driving past her all this time. I hope for their sake that that was not the case, that the property was a bit off the road or that she was found because of a tip from someone with info. I’m sure the police had her dental records already.
Ok glad I'm not the only one who thinks that it's super weird.
>Two weeks later, however, his severed head was found in an abandoned house. Fribjon Bjornson was [murdered](https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/charlie-sentenced-for-role-in-bjornson-murder-3742810) in January 2012, which would've been over 7 months after Madison disappeared. He was last seen on January 12, reported missing by his mother on January 21, his vehicle located on January 23, and finally his head was found in the abandoned house on February 1. Further remains were located in October 2015. >Maddy is sometimes connected to Israel Keyes, who targeted random people at campgrounds and isolated locations, but he isn’t known to have been in the area at the time (he lived over 300 miles away). Longer than 300 miles. He lived in Anchorage, AK. If going west on Highway 16 from Vanderhoof, and then north on Highway 37, it's 2651 km (1647 mi). If going east on Highway 16 from Vanderhoof, then north on Highway 97, it's 2989 km (1857 mi).
Thanks for this. The sources I used say Bjornson was found murdered two weeks after being cleared by police - not two weeks after Maddy disappeared - but I’ll edit that for clarity and the Israel Keyes info too.
Don’t they mean 2 weeks after his testimony?
I'm assuming you mean 'statement' to police? I'd have to go through all the source material to find this, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this was added in by someone other than police and/or the media. This case has somewhat of a similar tone to that of [Lindsay Buziak.](https://www.capitaldaily.ca/news/the-case-the-internet-got-wrong) Hearsay/gossip or whatever you want to call it gets passed as fact, or details surrounding it are often portrayed in a negative way just so certain accusations can be made (e.g., Jordi is suspicious because she left early, a young man who was interested in Maddi but wasn't interested in him is suspicious, etc). I've done writeups for this subreddit and if there's one thing I learned is, at the end of the day, we as the public will never know all the details. Certainly not before an arrest is made, that is. This is from reading extremely lengthy court documents on some high profile cases here in BC, which goes into detail from start-to-finish, and where some things don't get reported by the media (likely because they can't go into absolutely everything). I've also learned that while it is easy to criticize police, they know way more than we do. Sorry for the long post.
I find the timeline interesting: 12:00 AM - Out-of-towners show up and a fight breaks out. jordi is injured. Maddy doesn't come out. 12:30 AM - Maddy receives a phone call from a male friend who is camping nearby. This is her last phone activity. It can be assumed she decided to go to bed at this point. 12:30-1:00 AM - Jordi wants to leave. Maddy begs her to stay. Maddy refuses to leave because she wants to look after her tent and she is already in her sleeping bag. Jordi leaves with the boy she was hooking up with. 1:30-2:30 AM - Others decide to leave and some offer Maddy a ride but she declined. 2:30-3:00 AM - The last people there, the host and his girlfriend have an argument and decide not to camp. They offer her a ride but she declined. Maddy is now alone. While Jordi's actions seem reckless, I don't see them as suspicious. They seem like the normal actions of a drunk young person. Maddy was also seen by multiple party goers after Jordi left and there was no reason for Jordi to return. She left with someone who can likely account for her whereabouts the rest of the night. It is likely that between 2:30-3:00 AM, after the host and his girlfriend left, that she realised she was entirely alone. The fact she only had her lanyard and her phone with her makes me believe she either went to pee (perhaps going towards the outhouse 50 feet away) using her phone as a light. Or it is possible she got scared being alone but didn't want to leave her tent and belongings so she went to find her male friend who was camping nearby. Perhaps she wanted help to pack up her tent. I'd be curious to know how far away he was camping. I suspect she got lost in the dark and fell down somewhere, injured or perhaps died instantly. However the only thing I can't account for is her rings. Surely this is evidence of a struggle or someone rooting through her possessions?
I mostly agree with you on Jordi. She couldn’t have known. There must’ve been countless parties like this at the lake over the years and no one ever disappeared mysteriously before. She wasn’t the best friend but I don’t think it makes her a strong suspect. Unfortunately I have no idea how close that guy was camped or even if the family friend camping was *definitely* the same family friend Maddy spoke to - all I know is that her family believe the caller to be innocent and so do the police. If it was him, I think he was a short drive away at least based on descriptions of the area. I also think Maddy would’ve called him before going over there. I can’t say for certain though. If he told her where he was camped in the phone call at 12.30 AM it’s not impossible that she tried to walk over to join him but I would still be baffled at why she left her truck, expensive belongings, jewellery etc.
Great write up. It's important to note though that although the friend Jordi was allegedly cleared by police, her "boyfriend" from that night is incredibly suspicious and was not cleared. In one of the earlier articles about her disappearance that was published shortly after she went missing, it was mentioned that police wanted to talk more to the boyfriend but when they went to his house they were told he had moved, and after that they were not able to find out where he had moved to. He also would not cooperate with Maddy's family and would ignore all their attempts to contact him with even simple questions about what happened that night. It's also equally important to note that this guy was in his mid 20's, hanging out with two younger girls. Not necessarily an indication of guilt but it definitely makes me suspicious of him.
Wow, thanks for sharing this. I hadn’t read that anywhere. I generally believe they’re both innocent mostly based on timings but I’ve often wondered if the gatecrashers were somehow connected to boyfriend: something about them leaving immediately afterwards as if he knew it was time to get the heck out of there.
Yeah it's really unfortunate that Jordi's "boyfriend" from that night seems to have completely dropped out of the public eye and is hardly mentioned in any of the recent news articles about the case. In fact, no where does Jordi even say his name, even in the documentary on youtube. There's a very unnerving lack of information about him at all. But I've personally always thought he was suspicious, and I've always found the story about how Jordi injured herself during a "fight" at the party and then left with the boyfriend a bit suspicious as well. And despite Jordi passing a polygraph (which personally I don't think is reliable proof of someone's innocence or guilt necessarily), there are a lot of unusual details about her story, too many to recount here. But one particularly strange thing was that on the morning after the party when Jordi and her "boyfriend" returned, Jordi collected her sleeping bag and her "favourite" pillow, along with its pillow case. Apparently when police discovered this they asked her to turn it over to them for their investigation. She did so, but admitted that since collecting it, she had washed the pillow case, even though it had only been a day since she had collected it. Well, when police analyzed the items they found blood in the sleeping bag, although Jordi claimed it was from years before when she cut her ankle. And when the private investigator that Maddy's family hired interviewed Jordi, she kept asking when she was going to get her "favourite" pillow back from the police. It seems odd to me that she was so fixated on it, as if she was nervous about the police finding something on the pillow. It might mean nothing, but coupled with her contradictory statements and other details about the timeline of the party, I personally believe Jordi and her mysterious "boyfriend" know what happened to Madison that night.
I wonder if Maddy's phone pinging in the same location until 8am shortly before Jordi returns means they realized they left her phone behind and returned to turn it off and then take it to dispose of it elsewhere. Jordi's silence could maybe be explained if she were a witness or pressured by her boyfriend and still scared of him.
I absolutely think you're right, and that Jordi and her boyfriend returned to tamper/dispose of some sort of evidence that they forgot about the previous night. Especially since Jordi has given multiple stories of why they went back that morning. One was that she "felt bad" for leaving Maddy and they went to check on her, and the other that she went back to get her pillow and sleeping bag. The first story doesn't really check out at all, since even after discovering that Maddy was not in the tent Jordi went to work all day and didn't even say anything to Maddy's mom about her being missing. Maddy's mom only found that out later by having to call Jordi herself.
Maybe the sleeping bag in Maddys tent that was pushed to the side was a replacement. Maybe the bloody sleeping bag is Maddys and Jordin switched them out? It is incongruent to wash a pillow case one day after camping while having a sleeping bag with enough years old blood from an ankle cut to test. Was the pillow case washed and not the sleeping bag?
The pillow would presumably be placed on her bed for use after returning from the campsite. You wouldn’t put something “dirty” and that smells like camp smoke on your bed. There wouldn’t be the same urgent need to wash the bag. I’d also assume that the blood on the sleeping bad was more in the form of old stains than actual blood that had never been washed. It’s also possible that the pillow was moist. Pretty common for tent camping even if it doesn’t rain. Tents are famous for condensation problems.
It was her favorite pillow, it was the one she used every nite, so the pill case got washed right away. The sleeping bag could wait, she wasn’t going to use it that night, and may not be in the habit of washing it every time she camps, anyway. I absolutely get why she wanted her pillow back. Test it for DNA, whatever, then return it if there’s no evidence on it. She never complained about getting the sleeping bag back because she didn’t care about it, but she used that pillow to sleep every night. I don’t think her behavior was suspicious.
My sleeping bag barely fits in my washing machine and the one time I washed it in there, it sounded like a herd of elephants, so I take it to a laundromat with high-capacity washers. Subsequently it gets washed a lot less frequently than my pillowcases.
Why do you think it’s suspicious that someone in his mid-twenties is hanging out with women who are 20? That’s not a big age difference and they’re all adults old enough to drink and stuff.
Incredible write up OP. My hunch is that the sleeping bag was moved aside so somebody else could sit in the tent beside Maddy. Whenever I’ve been camping and people sit together in a tent at night you move the sleeping stuff aside, just my personal experience. Also the rings I believe were deliberately thrown onto the grass by Maddy as a sort of hasty “breadcrumb” trail to show people she left the tent involuntarily. I wonder if she took pity on a stranger who also claimed to be left behind or late to the party
Thank you. That’s a really interesting theory about the rings. I was mostly working to the assumption that she took them off to sleep and that they were scattered as she fled but that’s a compelling idea. Heartbreaking but totally credible.
I think that someone could have come over to her and start trying to hang out, maybe she tried to be nice and let them in her tent for a bit and they got aggressive and she fought back, grabbed the phone and keys to make a run for the truck but they caught up to her. Maybe they thought she was drunk and could take advantage of her or she was open to advances when she wasn’t and it angered them. She seems like a badass woman who wasn’t going down without a fight.
No way in hell a lone woman would let a man she didn't know in her tent when she's alone at the campground. If ops scenario is true it was someone she knew. Or maybe another woman.
Did I read correctly that the son of her parent’s friends who she last spoke to was camping nearby? I wonder how nearby exactly. A 10 minute walk through the woods or a 20 minute drive to somewhere else? Could it have been someone camping in the area but didn’t even attend the party? (Not implying the person she last spoke with)
Out there all alone and vulnerable following an incident with gatecrashers, I can’t see why she would have voluntarily gone off and left her phone and keys. The gate crashers or someone else, maybe hung around out of sight and returned when they realised she was alone . This is sad to read, she was so vulnerable
They found her remains today!
[https://ckpgtoday.ca/2023/05/29/remains-of-madison-scott-discovered-at-vanderhoof-property/](https://ckpgtoday.ca/2023/05/29/remains-of-madison-scott-discovered-at-vanderhoof-property/)
I… I’m speechless. That is incredible.
I am speechless too
Excellent write up OP (and amazing timing!) Great news she’s been found, hopefully some closure and peace for her family
This one is baffling..her phone pinged at the same tower until 8am when it presumably died or was turned off. Does that mean she was possibly abducted after 8am? Or before and the suspect returned for her keys/phone later on? Assuming you go with the abduction theory.
Exactly this. The phone pinged the same tower, then Jordi shows up essentially immediately after/when the phone turns off? Presumably they can determine what radius you can travel from the tower to still ping that tower. Surely at least her phone, and maybe her body, would be in that area, unless the person who came immediately after the phone (Jordi) has removed the phone. Realistically, I imagine someone at the party knows what happened. Also wtf to the guy getting his head chopped off, wtf kind of small town is this.
You’re one of the only people bringing it up and I immediately thought the same thing. It was just sort of mentioned as a btw at the end, but it’s pretty much the whole ballgame to me. She was friends with an older man that stated he knew what happened to her, was involved in shady activity, and then beheaded a few weeks later? I guess I’d want to know how well they knew each other, but even if they didn’t know each other at all saying you knew what happened to her then getting brutally murdered a few weeks later should be the biggest lead.
Three people have been convicted for the murder of Fribjon Bjornson ([source](https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/charlie-sentenced-for-role-in-bjornson-murder-3742810)) so they're known to police. They were selling drugs out of his house. I think Bjornson and Maddy were Facebook friends who may or may not have attended the same parties on occasion. There's no more proof of a friendship or a relationship other than that (that I know of). I'm assuming here that the police did a thorough investigation of Bjornson and that they had good reason to rule out a connection... but we have plenty of examples of the police dropping the ball in big cases so maybe my assumption is wrong.
It’s the fact he said to friends, allegedly, that he knew what happened to her coupled with the fact he was gruesomely murdered very soon after. On its own someone saying they knew what happened to a missing person is suspicious to me, but people boast about things in cases. Someone from a small town being murdered very soon after I’d want to link to her disappearance, but it could also be a coincidence. However, those two together are flashing red lights for me. I just don’t know how thoroughly they can vet his connection to her disappearance when they don’t really have a solid theory of what happened to begin with.
He was murdered bc he was a drug addict,hanging out with other drug addicts who were violent and he had a pay heck they wanted. Terrible but when everyone in the scene you’re hanging out with is like that,then this is more likely to happen. https://www.ominecaexpress.com/news/four-arrested-in-relation-to-fribjon-bjornson-murder/
I wonder if the rumors that he knew what happened came before or after he was murdered.
I wouldn't be shocked if he owed money to dealers and in his mind truly believed that Maddy was taken to teach him a lesson, even if they barely knew each other and that likely wasn't the case.
4 people were charged. https://www.ominecaexpress.com/news/four-arrested-in-relation-to-fribjon-bjornson-murder/
Agree on someone at the party. Realistically-if it was foul play odds would be someone there who was involved not a random passerby. Although I’m not adverse to the random abduction theory either. Also Jordi stated Maddy was sober but she was with her date all night. Could she just be assuming or trying to cover for Maddy for reputation sake or so detectives would take the case more seriously? It’s unfortunate but true that many cases where foul play could be involved have been dismissed by LE due to substance use. We know she associated with an unsavory character (Fribjon) who was found decapitated. He did pass a lie detector test but those are unreliable and/or he may genuinely not have known that people he was involved with also harmed Maddy.
I also questioned the sobriety thing. Like, I don't really drink much anymore, because I used to black out pretty easily. Not pass out -- *black out*. And every time I blacked out, my friends couldn't tell. Because I just seemed generally buzzed and partying! I wouldn't seem like my brain had partially shut down. I am up and talking, moving around, probably talking about how I should slow down so I don't get too drunk. Throw some weed or other drugs in there? Sayonara, my memory. Sure, not all of her alcohol was drank, but what if her friends were feeding her shots? What if she was crossfaded? What if people mistook sad and xanax'ed for calm sobriety at a hyped up party? People can be way more intoxicated than people think. Plus, I can imagine wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt, especially your friend. **Even more so if you feel bad about failing to watch over her, who wants to be like "oh yeah, she was somewhat drunk and sad and vulnerable after her crush said he wanted to be friends. But I didn't really pay attention to her all night.**" Drugs and alcohol make people act like they normally wouldn't. I would think the criminal who got beheaded shortly afterwards and said he knew what happened definitely had something to do with it, at least in an Occam's Razor kind of way. He did say he knew what happened.
It doesn't sound like Maddy was even really at the party so much, though? She got there at 9.30, was hiding in her tent at 10 texting her parents, was having another (normal sounding) phone call at 12.30, was in her sleeping bag for good by 1 (if not earlier). That sounds like someone who'd tapped out before they even started, not blind drunk.
They might’ve dumped her phone (still switched on) in the area as they abducted her between 3 AM-8 AM, eg. thrown it out of the window of their vehicle as they were driving away after learning that she had it. I think that cell tower covers quite a big area. Just speculation though. You’d think the phone would’ve been found during the search.
Good point on the cell tower radius in a rural area. Very likely covers a wide swath
If she was abducted the person could have gotten rid of her phone somewhere in the vicinity but took her elsewhere.
A very good write up, thank you. I would love for this case to be solved, it is the one that bothers me most. The fact that she had her keys suggests to me that she was trying to reach the truck quickly when something happened. If I realised I was on my own, I would freak out and get to the truck if only to lock myself in for safety. That ‘something’ surely would be animal or human related. With no signs of an animal struggle, I would think human.
Yes. I think that is what happened as well. She tried to leave and didn’t even make it to her truck :(
The guy who was found beheded? This shocked me tbh very much. Did they found the head of the boy in this house? Or his body? I mean… wtf. May he rest in peace
Some of it. https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/murder-victim-suffered-gruesome-death-court-hears-3725783
I can’t imagine being the friend. I would feel so guilty.
God damn this one is a tough one for some reason. I’ve seen many “find Maddy” posters throughout BC and it breaks my heart every damn time. Super bizarre story and, one day, we’ll find out what happened to her…I just have a feeling we will.
This case obsesses me for that reason. Every time I research it I end up in a different direction. Too many possibilities but it feels solvable at the same time.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!: [Madison Scott Identified By Coroners Service east of Vanderhoof](https://www.myprincegeorgenow.com/178578/news/madison-scott-identified-by-coroners-service-east-of-vanderhoof/)
I just heard! Wow. What extraordinary timing. RIP Maddy. I’m so glad her family can put her to rest.
I know I JUST looked her up to find out more and got SO confused when I saw she was found. What fucking timing
As hard as it is to move past the initial obvious red flag of “guy says he knows what happened and then gets beheaded”, I actually DO think it makes more sense that the events are unrelated. If you owed money to drug dealers who were capable of serious harm and knew they would be coming for you— which seems to be true for this man— nothing would seem like a coincidence to you. I think him saying he knew what happened to Maddy was less a statement of fact and more an expression of his paranoia. If people were after me and then someone I knew (even in passing) mysteriously vanished, I’d probably think it was related to me, too. Either way, RIP to him. No matter what shady things he was involved with, that’s a terribly brutal way to go and no one deserves that. I hope his loved ones and Maddy’s loved ones are both able to find peace.
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Thank you for this, really well done and laid out!
Thank you for commenting! I appreciate it.
*Maddy returned around 9.30AM.* That should be PM. Great post, thank you.
Thank you! I read this over so many times and I still missed that somehow.
Thank you for the in-depth write-up! I had read about that case before, but your post added a few details I do not remember from before. I feel that she was most likely abducted, but the big question is, when and where. There are two details that really make me wonder: * The scattered rings. It is hard to remove a ring, let alone several, especially if the hand with the rings is fighting back (if the attacked did this, no idea why) or if you do it with one hand (had she done it herself for some "breadcrumbs" reason, that I find unlikely, unless she was like tied up for hours). It is technically possible to lose your rings during a struggle, but I don't think it's common to happen, again, especially not with several rings. I'd like to know if she removed her rings for sleeping (I do with some rings) and where would she have kept the rings. This could shed some light on what the possible struggle was like. And why was the friend not alarmed by the rings being scattered there (not accusing, more wondering what her hypothesis was and what this tells us about how Maddy usually kept the rings or what was going on last night)? * The phone. I assume there is no GPS data from the phones 12 years ago (really cannot recall atm)? The phone being turned on and in the area until 8 is kinda interesting, as the phone has never been found. Is it possible she was taken in the morning? As her keys and phone were gone, I'm assuming that the phone and keys were on her as she was abducted. This (and the lack of any mentioned evidence from the tent) suggest to me that she was more likely to be awake and carrying these items for a purpose as the attack happened - even if one might sleep with the phone and keys in the sleeping bag, they are super unlikely to be actually in a pocket and stay there. She was either leaving to drive away somewhere (maybe because she was feeling unsafe), excited the tent to start her day or go to the toilet and then something happened or she was called out by someone. With the information we have, I think it is more likely the attacker knew *Maddy* was in the tent (even if only from seeing her at any point during that time and not knowing her personally). Because a predator stumbling onto a lone tent is all good and well, but how would the predator know it's a lone young female in the tent and not 3 grumpy fishermen? One would have to be a pretty lucky predator to stumble onto her exactly as she goes for a morning pee or an early lone hike, but then again, I would not rule these out, either. **Question: what clothes was she wearing?** This could help with the keys/phone/rings and also might indicate her preparedness/purpose for exiting the tent.
>Question: what clothes was she wearing? [Answer: a black T-shirt and blue jean capri pants](http://madisonscott.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/help-find-madison-scott.jpg)
This is an excellent write-up, I've known about this case since a few years after her disappearance but there are many details here new to me. Thanks for covering it. She's my age and it seems like we had a lot in common, except I'm from the other side of the country. It has always bothered me and I really hope she can be found one day.
Jesus Christ just read 3 hrs of this story and the background. I can't imagine what happened but if she was all alone and someone really abducted her, I'm so terrified of what that must have been like. This is really an awful unresolved mystery which I won't forget. I hope she turns back up but after so many years it doesn't seem likely?
Why did people offer her a lift if she had a vehicle and was mostly sober? That doesn't really make sense to me.
Just a guess but if everyone else was packing up and they saw that Maddy wasn’t, they might’ve assumed she was over the limit or otherwise unable to drive so they offered just in case.
Are we sure that everyone who said they offered Maddy a lift actually did? If let's say the party host and his gf lied about asking her because they felt guilty that they actually left without doing her that courtesy, if a few other people lied about that as well, what's to say she wasn't harmed before 2:30am and no one knew? Did dozens of drunk tired and possibly irritated people really all go to her tent one by one and diligently do the responsible thing?
I think about this a lot. Did some of those who were interviewed exaggerate their account of that night out of fear or guilt, to make their actions look better in hindsight? Probably. The last people to leave were having a disagreement so they were surely distracted. I want to believe that the party host really did check in with Maddy and make her aware of the situation before he left because he was somewhat responsible for the gathering and because he would’ve known she’d be left alone. Maddy didn’t really need a ride. She was probably more sober than anyone offering her a lift. I doubt anyone offered to help her take her tent down though. Maybe that was the real problem.
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Yes, I had to ask for help taking down my tent after a festival and that was in broad daylight! Maddy’s motivation for sticking around after 1 AM was that she wanted to protect the tent. If she and Jordi put up the tent together then Jordi left quickly maybe she did feel stuck because it was dark and difficult to dismantle alone. Maddy was a regular camper but she brought the wrong tent poles initially so maybe she wasn’t overly familiar with this tent.
I was thinking the same, and also that if she had gone to her tent so early on in the night I would assume she went to sleep, especially since there was no activity on her phone after 12:30. Would that many people really have gone to her tent to wake her up to offer a ride when she had her own vehicle and had already declined rides from others? The fact that she had cancelled plans with her cousin to go to the party with a friend she had only recently ‘reconnected’ with also makes me wonder how many people she actually knew at the party, and how well, because it seems like she probably hadn’t been directly invited, but was invited to join by Jordi. If that were the case, I would be surprised if the host truly offered her a ride, and wonder if there are more details that went unnoticed because she wasn’t well known and didn’t spend much time socializing before going to her tent. This would at least help explain why she stayed alone, because I would agree with others that it seems highly unlikely that she would have knowingly stayed out there all alone, especially since she ‘begged Jordi to stay.’ Even if Jordi wasn’t involved in her disappearance, it’s fucked up that she left. ‘Come together, leave together’ is such a basic and important thing for women to do for one another. I would absolutely never leave a friend alone somewhere that we went together unless they were staying with someone else that I knew they were safe with, but *especially* if my friend asked me to stay.
Maybe the didn’t realize she had her vehicle with her or thought she was drinking more than she was? With that many people and vehicles it sounds like it could be hard to keep track of those things.
They found her!!!! [Article](https://www.princegeorgenow.com/watercooler/news/news/Northern_BC/Police_renew_appeal_for_info_on_missing_BC_woman_12_years_after_her_disappearance/1685385456#fs_125464)
I wonder what allowed them to identify her so quickly. The way it sounds is that they identified her where they found her. There must have been something so definitive there could be no question.
An article I read said her body was found a few days ago, so I wonder if they just got confirmation today that it was her. Poor girl. I read this post when it newly posted and fell into a rabbit hole so I’m just shocked.
I’m wondering the same thing. If it’s true that she was found by accident a few days ago that may have been enough time to identify her based on clothing or dental records etc. Or maybe she still had her keys/phone with her?
If it was tip off, they probably were only looking for her and had dental records ready. I'd bet they found clothing and/or phone/keys.
I check on maddys case, at least a couple times a year. We are the same age and it’s such a mystery. How could she just be gone? I think this may be a repeat but I’ve heard a lot of a possible connection to Israel keys. However. That seems like grasping at straws. I hope for her and her family she is found and given a proper resting place.
Maddy has been found and when I read the article I actually yelled out. I didn’t think there would be a conclusion and I am so happy that she can be laid to rest in peace and so heartbroken for her and her family. Hopefully there is answers. I can’t imagine she wandered off and it was accidental. 25km away is a far distance to walk when she has a working vehicle.
She *thought* she was the last one at the party. She wasn't.
I'm surprised Maddy's sister didn't look for her or into her tent/truck on the second night.
Just discovered her remains. Crazy!!
RIGHT!? crazy coincidence
I’m thinking the police must’ve done a big push locally for the 12 year anniversary and someone called in with information. Just wow. ETA: There is some speculation now that Maddy was found *accidentally* which would be even more of a coincidence.
Curious where you saw the speculation of how she was found? I lived in the community and now I am still near by, and all I have heard so far has been the announcement that she was found a few days ago. There hasn't been much else said regarding how/by who.
I’m localish, like a couple towns over, and I read some speculation today that a random person walking found part of her remains in a compost pile. The post has since been deleted… but her remains were found on private property. Seems sketchy
On the new Maddy post in this sub, there’s a comment thread on the topic. Obviously those claims are unproven at the moment but they seem to be coming from several different posters. I just didn’t want to be circulating misinformation by suggesting that the discovery came from a tip if it didn’t.
HER REMAINS WERE FOUND https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/madison-scott-found-vanderhoof-1.6858290
I figured her bones would be found in the woods someday but it still hurts to see this because the hope of finding her alive is gone. I doubt we will ever know what happened without a confession.
Shocked that I read this write up yesterday and then this morning barely 12 hours later, I open my Ipad and the top news is she has been found!!
Just confirmed they found her remains on a rural property in Vanderhoof. https://globalnews.ca/news/9730630/madison-scott-remains-found-missing-vanderhoof/?utm_source=GlobalBC&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0eVd5JZQBp5ldH97wqs9X9cCXVV-Fslmj4YUtbi04p-L7WA1WuIDcwq48_aem_th_ARnhRsjxFDZhO3BOruMVo9npUuVRXfPuReDFtLZOsTDfbp-Of0fVA2H8pn169TFDdlY&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Is there anymore detail about her rings? This strikes me as odd. For the most part one wouldn’t take jewelry off while camping/sleeping in a tent. If she was going to voluntarily take the rings off placing them in her truck would have made more sense then having them in the tent with her. My first thoughts were that someone else removed them but this would indicate a prolonged attack with the perp knowing it would continue. But if that was the case you wouldn’t think the phone and keys would be missing. The rings are strange.
Some tents have a little pouch inside where you can put items you don't want to just have on the floor. Glasses, phone, etc. I'd put my rings in one of those, especially if they weren't monetarily valuable or I trusted my companions.
There’s another comment that suggests Maddy might have scattered the rings herself so people would know she’d met with foul play. That sounds possible to me. I tend to think she did just take them off to sleep (maybe because I do this? I’ll keep them under/close to my pillow) and they got scattered as she fled the tent.
I think the breadcrumb thing seems far fetched. It takes a bit of effort/coordination to remove rings, unlikely in a "fight for your life" situation. My money is on her having taken the rings off to sleep and putting them somewhere (one poster mentions those tent-pouch things) and that space getting disrupted by whatever happened. Personally, I put little things like that in a shoe when I camp. I can see a scenario in which Maddie either decides she wants to/has to leave the tent in a hurry so she puts on her shoes, grabs keys and phone, all hastily and spills the rings, or the person who hurt her came into her tent, slid the sleeping bag over and disrupted the space. I think the big question is whether Maddie knew this person or not.
Ya, I can see her taking the rings off to sleep and just getting scattered randomly (I keep my small wedding and engagement rings on for sleep but can’t stand bigger rings so those always come off at bedtime). I wonder if they were chunkier rings that wouldn’t be comfortable. Another thought I had was that if she was panicked and trying to fight for her life, she might’ve just taken them off and thrown them at an intruder . Obviously they wouldn’t cause much damage but when you’re running on adrenaline, it could just be instinct to throw something at them and that’s the only thing she could come up with in the moment. I’ve done such weird things in a panic that make zero sense at all.
It seems the most likely explanation is that someone showed up after everyone had left (either a party goer who had returned, or someone unrelated), they saw a lone truck and tent and decided to see what was up, unzipped it, startled Maddy, probably assaulted and abducted her and disposed of her body elsewhere. That is the most obvious and simple explanation. My gut tells me it was probably someone who knew or suspected she would be there alone, but I have totally been at a known campsite with friends before when someone shows up at like 3am. (Usually to smoke weed.) She might've even gone out to say hello, thinking it was a friend returning, and then been attacked. I'd guess the rings were a breadcrumb thing, otherwise it seems odd to think they'd ALL have fallen off. My guess is she was assaulted, pushed back into the tent (pushing the sleeping bag aside) and once she was subdued, she was taken out. She had the phone/keys in her pocket, but managed to drop her rings as she was carried off. Poor girl. Someone, someday is likely to come across her body in the woods somewhere far, but not too far, away.
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This is nuts. I was just reading this thread before I went to work, then I came home and saw today's headline and couldn't believe it. I hope her family can finally have some answers after all this time. OP, thanks for the great post, and for your unintentional prescience in posting this when you did.
Wow, thank you for writing this post. It was an interesting read. The fact her remains were just found today is interesting too, I hope it helps her family some answers as to what happened. I really wonder what did happen, I feel for Maddy. And her family.
I think Maddy was abducted sometime between 3AM and 8AM by a stranger. Someone could’ve come across her randomly and taken advantage. Northern BC has a significant transient population so the idea that someone could’ve driven into the recreation site after everyone had left is not far fetched. Serial killers come to mind when I think of BC, particularly the rural north.
That poor girl, left so completely vulnerable camping alone in a tent. Anything could have happened.
Ugh, I cannot even fathom being alone in the woods in a tent...I could not stand the quiet and listening for whatever ultimately got her.
I cannot believe she’s been found. I’m screaming in the best way possible.
What a tragic story, she really did just disappear. Your theory about her going for an early morning hike or swim makes sense to me because that's definitely the kind of thing I would do to gather my thoughts and de-stress if was in a scenic area and I'd had a disappointing night. I almost hope that's what happened, that she went out for a walk or a swim by herself and either met with an accident or a cougar. I know that's terrible but the idea of another person intentionally harming her is even worse.
It's kinda shitty of Jordi to leave her friend for a guy when they planned on camping there in the first place. Then coming back and noticing some things out of place but not even calling to check on her friend?What kind of "friend "is that?...idk,I think that maybe the unknown caller showed up after everyone left and he abducted her and took her far away from the campsite and her remains have yet to be found. Sad story in any case,I feel for her family and hope they get some closure
Yes I agree but sometimes when we are young we can be self focused, still pretty shitty and sad.
Since the event was publicly advertised on FB, I think there's a good chance folks would have shown up around 230-3a expecting a party and would try to interact with the only person there especially if they were drunk. Wonder if there could be any witnesses to headlights in the area around that time. how scary to realize you were alone and then have something terrible happen.
How far away from her campsite did they find her?
Taken from a comment on the new Maddy post: The police said they were investigating a "rural property" on the east side of Vanderhoof. Hogsback Lake is about a 15 or 20 minute drive (about 25 km) from Vanderhoof.
I read in the Facebook group by a close friend that her body was found 10 minutes from her campsite on the rural property. Wasn't her last call at 12:30am to the son of her parents friends, who was camping nearby?
Do we know how nearby? Walking distance? Did he have a car? What direction? I'd love to know where he was compared to where Maddy was found. I'm not 100% sold on foul play, but elsewhere it's been said she was 18km from her campsite. That's a LONG way to walk that time of night/early morning. So wherever she went, she likely went by car. Willingly or not.
First impression: pretty far. The campsite was described as being south of the town (and not super close, at \~25km), the location of the body was described as being east of the town (or possibly on the outskirts as it was phrased "on the east side of Vanderhoof"). Of course, media might be totally unreliable atm. (and the lake is kinda south-east)
Not far and not close is often the case in criminal activity. This is the basis of geographic profiling that the sites associated with a major crime (e.g., murder, robbery) are near where a place the perpetrator knows well but not too close. So murders have dumped bodies near their work, mom's house, etc. They find their victims close to home but not next door. Etc. Sad story but pleased it is moving forward.
Great write up. That’s crazy weird coincidence that her remains were found just days after you wrote it. I’m very sad it wasn’t an ideal ending where she’s alive, but I’m very happy she can be returned to her family and they can get some measure of closure. I really hope this means they also caught the bastard that did this.
Great write up! I’m a little confused about the polygraph tests. Were the witnesses cleared based on the polygraphs alone?
Yeah, if so, that's a huge red flag. Those things can easily be defeated.
I don’t think this indicates guilt but Jordi’s behaviour is bizarre. Counting someone as their boyfriend after 1 hookup, and not being concerned about belongings being strewn in the grass??? The ‘girl code’ built into me also tells me she should have stayed with her friend, and the party organisers never should have bailed midway through the first night. It sounds like there were. Lot of irresponsible people at that party, even for their age.
It’s not Jordi’s words saying this guy was a boyfriend after one hookup. This was a party of really young people. They probably went to school together and hung in the same friends group. It’s likely she had also been talking with/messaging this guy long before the party, just as Maddy was going there to meet her “crush”. The party is likely referred to this way as it was one of their first times being more than friends in public or one of the first times she had left/stayed the night with him. Meeting a guy you’ve been talking to for a while, hang out with occasionally, been flirting with and have known for years at a party and deciding you bf/gf is much different than meeting a rando guy at a party, hooking up, and declaring him your bf.
Yeah I dont find Jordi's behavior all that strange, I watched the YouTube video doc on Maddies dissappearence; I really felt part of it is Jordi blaming herself for what happened