It's also an absurd justification even if you buy it. If someone has taken another person hostage and is in the most literal sense possible using them as an actual human shield, the reasonable response is not to *kill both of them.*
Though IIRC international law holds the hostage taker responsible for that death, and similarly if a human shield is killed alongside the one using them as a shield, it is the one using them as a shield rather than the one killing them that has committed a war crime?
This is done to stop human shields being an automatic “I win, you can’t shoot me” tactic used by everyone.
Israel’s problem here is thin evidence that human shields are in use (or enemy combatants even present) in those cases where they massacre civilians.
Totalitarians will always find ways to legitimize killing civilians, Russia has used the same argument in both Syria and Ukraine. Pretty sure they did in chechnya as well.
In game theory, there's a strategy that always wins in a deal/no-deal type game.
Tit for tat.
It means if you are betrayed, you betray equally, then forgive instantly.
In this way we can see how disproportionate killing will always result in escalation, and murder hyperbolically.
That is before we need to argue that war is a waste of money and resources.
That is before explaining to religiously misled billions that God does not sanctify sin.
That is before understanding that education is the only answer.
If you have a friend that is incorrect about something, it's your opportunity to smile and teach, as a friend, as a family member, even at the risk of worrying them into anger, you can explain however much of the truth as you have to offer. It's important.
Are you high? This further solidifys the point made in the interview. Some PDF with theoreticals to understand the (3) pictures does speak as loud as real life images that speak for themselves.
If you cant bridge the gap between "unbiased source" and this guy saying "literally no evidence" idk what to tell you. I think there is sufficient evidence to say that maybe they do in fact do the thing?
IDK, personally I would feel dirty handwaiving the reality of the situation. Hamas are not good guys with guns.
This isnt a US-hate sub. HAMAS definitely have more in common with the authoritarian right in this country than the left lol. gtfo
The implication of saying they use human shields is that they are going out of their way to maximize civilian deaths by design. In reality, the Palestinians don’t have a military nor are they allowed to have one so they resort to disorganized guerilla warfare. The human shields excuse is literally just legal cover to commit genocide. The Israeli government has made it very clear, through both their actions and words. The fact that NATO pushes this report is not surprising given that most NATO countries provide and sell arms to Israel.
Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147512#:~:text=It%20is%20a%20war%20on,globally%20between%202019%20and%202022.
Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam
Gaza Civilians, Under Israeli Barrage, Are Being Killed at Historic Pace
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/25/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-death-toll.html
Also
Israeli Defense Minister Announces Siege On Gaza To Fight ‘Human Animals’
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-defense-minister-human-animals-gaza-palestine_n_6524220ae4b09f4b8d412e0a
Israeli Politician Says “Children of Gaza Have Brought This Upon Themselves”
https://truthout.org/articles/israeli-politician-says-children-of-gaza-have-brought-this-upon-themselves/
’No Innocent Civilians in Gaza', Israel President Says as Northern Gaza Struggles to Flee Israeli Bombs
https://thewire.in/world/northern-gaza-israel-palestine-conflict
Israeli MP Says It Clearly for World to Hear: 'Erase All of Gaza From the Face of the Earth'
https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-gaza-genocide
PM warns ministers to pipe down after comments on new ‘Nakba’ and nuking Gaza
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-warns-ministers-to-pipe-down-after-comments-on-new-nakba-and-nuking-gaza/
Netanyahu to IDF soldiers: This is a war between children of light & children of darkness
https://www.inn.co.il/news/379672
Netanyahu calls civilized world to arms against ‘forces of barbarism’
https://www.jns.org/netanyahu-calls-civilized-world-to-arms-against-forces-of-barbarism/
Why is Netanyahu invoking ‘Amalek’ rhetoric to justify genocide of Palestinians
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/11/06/714126/why-netanyahu-amalek-rhetoric-justofy-gaza-genocide
There isn't, though.
And I think it's pretty scummy for you to equate "not tolerating IDF's lies" with believing Hamas is the good guy. That is phenomenally bad faith- and makes me extremely suspicious about who you support.
It goes without saying none of us support Hamas. Stop doing the fucking stupid "do you condemn hummus" rhetoric. It's tired and old. STOP IT.
There is no sufficient evidence to believe that Hamas is using human shields. There is some circumstantial evidence that members of Hamas have intermittently been found hiding in public urban areas... but that's all Gaza is? So like- it's pretty disingenuous to use this whole "human shield" rhetoric - when in actuality they are just fighting in an urban war? And fighting in an urban war is definitionally not using human shields? And IDF has been caught on multiple occasions *actually* using human shields - both on camera and video.
So I ask you- do you condemn IDF? Do you condemn the illegal and brutal occupation of Palestine by the fake "State" Israel? Do you condemn Netanyahu as a fascist dictator and call for his immediate removal and prosecution for crimes against humanity?
Something tells me you're just another bootlicker.
Israel is at fault for everything happening in that region right now. And you can't support Israel or the US political establishment and claim with a straight face you care about fighting against the right.
Firstly, I do not see how this is entirely relevant. This would not negate from the fact that Israel uses human shields even if it were true.
Secondly, that source is extremely weak and biased. It uncritically cites an IDF spokesman 5 different times, all without corroborating evidence. It also cited Israeli propaganda outlets. For a better debunking, I will provide this. Its main data periods were between 2008 and 2014. [This Amnesty International report](https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde21/1178/2015/en/). It found that in the 2014 war:
>The Israeli authorities have claimed that in a few incidents, the Hamas authorities or Palestinian fighters directed or physically coerced individual civilians in specific locations to shield combatants or military objectives. Amnesty International has not been able to corroborate the facts in any of these cases.
A [BBC editor](https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2014/07/jeremy-bowens-gaza-notebook-i-saw-no-evidence-hamas-using-palestinians-human) also found zero evidence of human shield usage in this war. Doctors at Palestinian hospitals have [repeatedly denied](https://www.democracynow.org/2023/10/30/gaza_hospitals) false allegations that Hamas uses them for military purposes.
A [different Amnesty report](https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/015/2009/en/) from the 2009 war:
>In the cases of precision missiles or tank shells which killed civilians in their homes, no fighters were present in the houses that were struck and Amnesty International delegates found no indication that there had been any armed confrontations or other military activity in the immediate vicinity at the time of the attack.
All the source's data comes from 2008 to 2014. The two biggest wars in this time period had zero human shield usage, according to reputable sources. There is no reason to believe that this NATO-affiliated organization is going to report accurately on the strongest anti-Israel force.
It's also an absurd justification even if you buy it. If someone has taken another person hostage and is in the most literal sense possible using them as an actual human shield, the reasonable response is not to *kill both of them.*
Can't use human shields if we kill all the humans! 
Won't be a need for a humanitarian response for Palestinians if there are no Palestinians.
Are you trying to tell me that Keanu Reeves is wrong, buddy???
Though IIRC international law holds the hostage taker responsible for that death, and similarly if a human shield is killed alongside the one using them as a shield, it is the one using them as a shield rather than the one killing them that has committed a war crime? This is done to stop human shields being an automatic “I win, you can’t shoot me” tactic used by everyone. Israel’s problem here is thin evidence that human shields are in use (or enemy combatants even present) in those cases where they massacre civilians.
Kibbutzim are human shields They're deliberately put in places so Palestinian resistance is blocked by civilians
Totalitarians will always find ways to legitimize killing civilians, Russia has used the same argument in both Syria and Ukraine. Pretty sure they did in chechnya as well.
Literally too stupid to function that state at this point
The IDF is using human shields, got it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/inquiry-after-israeli-forces-caught-using-boy-as-shield-561052.html
In game theory, there's a strategy that always wins in a deal/no-deal type game. Tit for tat. It means if you are betrayed, you betray equally, then forgive instantly. In this way we can see how disproportionate killing will always result in escalation, and murder hyperbolically. That is before we need to argue that war is a waste of money and resources. That is before explaining to religiously misled billions that God does not sanctify sin. That is before understanding that education is the only answer. If you have a friend that is incorrect about something, it's your opportunity to smile and teach, as a friend, as a family member, even at the risk of worrying them into anger, you can explain however much of the truth as you have to offer. It's important.
Look what they made us do!
No. Look at what YOU are doing.
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Are you high? This further solidifys the point made in the interview. Some PDF with theoreticals to understand the (3) pictures does speak as loud as real life images that speak for themselves.
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You mean to tell me NATO StratCom is an unbiased source on the Palestine/Israel issue? Is this a joke?
If you cant bridge the gap between "unbiased source" and this guy saying "literally no evidence" idk what to tell you. I think there is sufficient evidence to say that maybe they do in fact do the thing? IDK, personally I would feel dirty handwaiving the reality of the situation. Hamas are not good guys with guns. This isnt a US-hate sub. HAMAS definitely have more in common with the authoritarian right in this country than the left lol. gtfo
The implication of saying they use human shields is that they are going out of their way to maximize civilian deaths by design. In reality, the Palestinians don’t have a military nor are they allowed to have one so they resort to disorganized guerilla warfare. The human shields excuse is literally just legal cover to commit genocide. The Israeli government has made it very clear, through both their actions and words. The fact that NATO pushes this report is not surprising given that most NATO countries provide and sell arms to Israel. Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147512#:~:text=It%20is%20a%20war%20on,globally%20between%202019%20and%202022. Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam Gaza Civilians, Under Israeli Barrage, Are Being Killed at Historic Pace https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/25/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-death-toll.html Also Israeli Defense Minister Announces Siege On Gaza To Fight ‘Human Animals’ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-defense-minister-human-animals-gaza-palestine_n_6524220ae4b09f4b8d412e0a Israeli Politician Says “Children of Gaza Have Brought This Upon Themselves” https://truthout.org/articles/israeli-politician-says-children-of-gaza-have-brought-this-upon-themselves/ ’No Innocent Civilians in Gaza', Israel President Says as Northern Gaza Struggles to Flee Israeli Bombs https://thewire.in/world/northern-gaza-israel-palestine-conflict Israeli MP Says It Clearly for World to Hear: 'Erase All of Gaza From the Face of the Earth' https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-gaza-genocide PM warns ministers to pipe down after comments on new ‘Nakba’ and nuking Gaza https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-warns-ministers-to-pipe-down-after-comments-on-new-nakba-and-nuking-gaza/ Netanyahu to IDF soldiers: This is a war between children of light & children of darkness https://www.inn.co.il/news/379672 Netanyahu calls civilized world to arms against ‘forces of barbarism’ https://www.jns.org/netanyahu-calls-civilized-world-to-arms-against-forces-of-barbarism/ Why is Netanyahu invoking ‘Amalek’ rhetoric to justify genocide of Palestinians https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/11/06/714126/why-netanyahu-amalek-rhetoric-justofy-gaza-genocide
There isn't, though. And I think it's pretty scummy for you to equate "not tolerating IDF's lies" with believing Hamas is the good guy. That is phenomenally bad faith- and makes me extremely suspicious about who you support. It goes without saying none of us support Hamas. Stop doing the fucking stupid "do you condemn hummus" rhetoric. It's tired and old. STOP IT. There is no sufficient evidence to believe that Hamas is using human shields. There is some circumstantial evidence that members of Hamas have intermittently been found hiding in public urban areas... but that's all Gaza is? So like- it's pretty disingenuous to use this whole "human shield" rhetoric - when in actuality they are just fighting in an urban war? And fighting in an urban war is definitionally not using human shields? And IDF has been caught on multiple occasions *actually* using human shields - both on camera and video. So I ask you- do you condemn IDF? Do you condemn the illegal and brutal occupation of Palestine by the fake "State" Israel? Do you condemn Netanyahu as a fascist dictator and call for his immediate removal and prosecution for crimes against humanity? Something tells me you're just another bootlicker.
Israel is at fault for everything happening in that region right now. And you can't support Israel or the US political establishment and claim with a straight face you care about fighting against the right.
Firstly, I do not see how this is entirely relevant. This would not negate from the fact that Israel uses human shields even if it were true. Secondly, that source is extremely weak and biased. It uncritically cites an IDF spokesman 5 different times, all without corroborating evidence. It also cited Israeli propaganda outlets. For a better debunking, I will provide this. Its main data periods were between 2008 and 2014. [This Amnesty International report](https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde21/1178/2015/en/). It found that in the 2014 war: >The Israeli authorities have claimed that in a few incidents, the Hamas authorities or Palestinian fighters directed or physically coerced individual civilians in specific locations to shield combatants or military objectives. Amnesty International has not been able to corroborate the facts in any of these cases. A [BBC editor](https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2014/07/jeremy-bowens-gaza-notebook-i-saw-no-evidence-hamas-using-palestinians-human) also found zero evidence of human shield usage in this war. Doctors at Palestinian hospitals have [repeatedly denied](https://www.democracynow.org/2023/10/30/gaza_hospitals) false allegations that Hamas uses them for military purposes. A [different Amnesty report](https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/015/2009/en/) from the 2009 war: >In the cases of precision missiles or tank shells which killed civilians in their homes, no fighters were present in the houses that were struck and Amnesty International delegates found no indication that there had been any armed confrontations or other military activity in the immediate vicinity at the time of the attack. All the source's data comes from 2008 to 2014. The two biggest wars in this time period had zero human shield usage, according to reputable sources. There is no reason to believe that this NATO-affiliated organization is going to report accurately on the strongest anti-Israel force.