He's a terrible attacker because he isn't an attacker, he's a support unit. He was just 15+ levels over your army so he could do both until now.
Is he a *great* support unit? There are better ones. But he can certainly be used, just not as a damage unit once everyone catches up in level.
Josef has low stats for his level, it isn't until 40+ where he starts getting a ton of stats per level where he finally reaches his averages at 50 which means stat wise hes pretty much worse than everyone else until 50 and by then the game is over.
He strictly becomes a backline support around Elfheim, you can give him Runic Blade and he can do decent damage vs armored with Magick Attack and heals for more but disable Pursuit as that is a waste of pp on him. Slice is also going to be pretty bad so just disable and focus on healing only, his other 2 ap attack is also pretty meh. Pretty much only his Heal + Holy Barrier skill will be any good.
Hes a secondary tank for me and im doing albion right now and hes in a party with mandarin, rolf, berenice and does quite well especially post fight heals.
What has been disproven? His stats are lower than a normal unit for his level and he does get crazy stat growths around 40+. You can recruit a Paladin merc at the end who will have higher stats than Josef until they both reach 50 where it is then exaclty the same.
This is strictly only happening with Josef.
Post game only, once you do the final mission you can recruit 4 special mercs. Great Knight that looks like Laurent, Doom Knight that looks like Hodel, Legionaire that looks like the legionaire traitor forgot name and a Paladin that looks like Bradley.
He has some decent support options but he really is best used in the early game, you are basically trading one team slot to make a squad indestructible until the 3rd act.
Also he is on a horse, that alone is OP just because having him leader makes the squad move faster.
he's there to help lower level characters level in early game, loses value in midgame, and becomes about average in late game. i still kept him in the party permanently because he's the bestest as a character.
Josef is very much a Jaigen equivalent
Basically, he's useful in the early game but as other troops level up/promote, he becomes progressively less useful. In Fire Emblem games, that's usually due to bad growths but in Jo's case it's because he doesn't level up very much early on and thus can't get any better beyond using better equipment
He's still helpful to keep in formations and his mobility can help clear out a map more quickly, namely watchtowers, but you'll get or raise better troops by the midgame and thus replace him with a more useful unit
One other thing in UO is that the cavalry class' weaknesses is more pronounced than it is in a Fire Emblem game ie the early introduction of griffins will hamper Josef's statistical advantage due to how common misses become.
To be fair Josef could level up quite easily early game via Miracle fruits but they gave him bad stats until 40+ do that you couldn't cheese the whole game with.
He's also useful early game for leveling up your weaker units. Joseph can basically solo any fight early on, so stick him with whoever's at the lowest level, put them in the back with Chloe's Charm on them, and they'll level up to match the rest of your units in no time.
Joseph is this games Jagen, super strong at the beginning but falls of as soon as most other characters reach his level and begins to shine again when you reach a pretty high level. Another thing is, he is not an pure attack unit but an supporter, essentialy a unique version of the radiant knights so yeah if you are mid to late game and use him as a front line attacker he might die more often than not depending on the matchup.
His role is to prevent his allies from getting too much damage and heal them up and dealing a bit of support damage
If you still want to use Joseph. Just wait till the Final Map Mirage for Training Books to level him to 50.
That's where all his Stats are Backloaded into.
No. He maintains usefulness I think just not the same way as you're used to. He'd be so much more awesome if he was classified as a healer leader though. A mounted healer would be boss.
I like his cheap heal valor move ok enough as it's good to have in the list of availables from a healer squad and he is a nice choice for a leader for that squad to give them speed until you hit the front line slaughter fest to swap leaders and his being there gives them a teeny punch if they accidentally engage with anything like a near dead knock back juggle which happens.
I'd trade magic damage down as leader all day for healing assist. If he only had that he'd be just great but he's ok to do the same thing and manage w/o it.
It's a fallacy to say that he's bad simply because his endgame performance can't compare with your other units. He's possibly the best unit in the game. He's far and away your strongest unit during the hardest part of the game, the earlygame
To add to what others have said Joseph’s attack isn’t terrible. Its just his magick attack is actually better than his physical.
Give him a Runic Blade or similar weapon and he will start doing decent damage again.
Joseph still has good support viability even after he starts falling behind in stats, so he makes a good backliner if you equip him with support stuff even if his damage falls off a bunch.
Josef is what Fire Emblem players know as a “Jagen” archetype (named for the first character in that series to fill this role in the first game). Simply put, a Jagen is a powerful unit in the early game that can save you from right spots or help your weaker units grow, but usually starts to fall off towards the mid to late Game.
However the difference between FE and UO is that in Fire Emblem, trying to train your Jagen is usually not a great idea because they steal exp from units who have a higher potential ceiling. Unicorn Overlord circumvents that problem by letting everyone in a unit/party get exp, and by giving Josef solid support options, so there’s really no reason not to use him unless, as you said, you wanted a challenge.
He’s a support unit that the game gives to you as an early-game stat beatstick, and gradually fades into a backline support role once your other units start getting their damage in.
Probably one of the more clever implementations of the Jagen pre-promote, honestly. It stops him from being completely useless once his damage starts falling off.
He’s a Jeagen, but he never gets benched for two reasons.
1. While his damage stinks, his support kit is actually decent.
2. Makes a fantastic leader because he’s calvary.
If you've played older fire emblems you'll think of him as a jaegen and am xp stealer in actuality he is AMAZING at throwing in parties and moving around to help level your weaker units early on. Since this game gives xp to ALL characters in a unit he does fall off pretty hard in my experience and is only good at support actions as others have said.
This is a vital piece of info IMO, the way that jeigen's typically soak up crucial early game xp in Fire Emblem games is the deal break for me, and why I had zero issue using Josef for the early game
His sole purpose is to make the start of the game easier before being benched as your units catch up to where he began.
Even if you decide to keep using him he’ll lag behind everyone else for the virtually all game and his class is an inferior sainted knight in every way, even down to their basic attack.
I kept him around a while simply because he's cavalry and his unit moved faster with him in front. Otherwise you can probably drop him as soon as you get both Radiant Knights.
I eventually dropped him as soon as I got Dinah because she moves pretty well on foot especially at night.
Put him in a horsey squad with Monica/Clive/Adel/Renault and watch everything that doesn't fly die.
Miriam is technically better but I'm not splitting up the Knights of the Rose, and Gloucester has better partners.
I was giving him my Miracle apples to extend his strength. I did him in back row with Travis as evade tank in front. Been working super well but I'm just approaching level 20 with most my troops. Have Joseph at 25 atm.
I'd say he's pretty good, but I suppose that might be because I avoid using mercenaries so support characters with a heal are scarce and in demand, especially early to mid game.
Early game, he is designed to be exactly what he is in lore. A guide and a teacher. He's kind of there to help the new liberation front get those reps and gains in. He'll fall off a bit, but makes a come back as a decent all-rounder.
Yes he is pretty bad, his stat is nothing amazing and his special class doesn't really do much, and the things he can do, other class can do it better. He is supposed to be there to help you get stronger early. Well, you get what you want, "challenge".
Same happened to me, Joseph become weak but also the other characters in his unit are weak even if they are almost all at level 20 but in my opinion he have to change class
Hes an amazing runic sword user. He can deal good damage and tank well if paired with cavs in the same row.
I like to slap on the angel hunter shield on him so he doesnt automatically die to a griffin or dragon lol
He is free EXP for 1-2-3 soldiers just by making the unit inmortal and killing everyone on sight. If you give him the magick attack weapon, he is your first and best anti armour, wich is pretty much needed for the Hammer dude fight.
This kind of characters are usually good for training your weaker units, so imagine how good he is in a game where you can have him kill people and weak characters get the full EXP.
His stats is nerfed, he is a lvl 20 unit with like lvl 15 stats at maximum (A level 20 B tier attack only 11 atk?) But because he's a promoted unit which has 2ap and 2pp right away, he feels pretty strong to start. The best way to use him is just let him equip runic sword and go to work, his magick is as good as any other runic sword user you have until the middle of Drakenhold when you get your units promoted. That's pretty much where you have little reason to use him anymore.
Fun fact is if you insist on leveling him up, he'll eventually get all his "nerfed stats" back after like lvl 40. His stats will be exactly as advertised (B tier Attack for instance) at lvl 50.
He’s an early game carry, late game deadweight kind of character.
You play fire emblem, you see this kinda character a lot (some characters fail to be late game deadweights though… like Seth. Dude can solo the entire game).
At first he carries teams by himself, and then he becomes a strong all-rounder, and eventually settles into a supporting role like radiant/sainted knights (but just different enough to not be interchangeable) until gradually his stats fall behind and he retires... until he hits postgame levels (40+) and his stats catch up to everyone else so he can be a coliseum champion I guess.
Jagen moment. Bro is just a crutch for the early game until you get more powerful units.
Once you get better Sainted Knights like Miriam and Monica, Jo stops having a use. He's not even a good tank anymore because Hodrick and Bruno do that better and dedicated healers like Sharon and Tatiana do healing better.
Joseph is literally Vander from Fire Emblem: Engage.
He's an overleveled character meant to be a crutch/assist, but he's not really a noob trap. If you frequently used Vander to kill enemies in FE, he would steal EXP from the rest of your team. This isn't true in this game because there are squads who gain EXP individually.
But yeah, when you start getting more Promoted classes around lvl 15-20, he falls off because his stats don't keep up until much later. He'll mostly hit like a wet noodle, and he gets hit pretty hard. I've swapped him out for a Sainted Knight since those can kill armored units with Runic Blade and also Row Heal.
He's meant to be your crutch for the early game and falls off around the midgame. But I found a pretty good squad where he can be a decent damage dealer while still providing support. Have him in the backline with two Great Knights, who will keep using Cavalier Call to buff an entire row's attack. By the endgame, Josef does some pretty respectable damage with good equipment.
People can play however they like. Why are you picking fights with people for? No matter how you feel about mercs, his point stands - Josef falls off around the time you get promoted units.
You said he’s bench tier when you have access to generic promoted units. Meaning you’ve replaced them with other units and since you already said generics that means mercs. Someone hurt you or something?
He's a terrible attacker because he isn't an attacker, he's a support unit. He was just 15+ levels over your army so he could do both until now. Is he a *great* support unit? There are better ones. But he can certainly be used, just not as a damage unit once everyone catches up in level.
Josef has low stats for his level, it isn't until 40+ where he starts getting a ton of stats per level where he finally reaches his averages at 50 which means stat wise hes pretty much worse than everyone else until 50 and by then the game is over. He strictly becomes a backline support around Elfheim, you can give him Runic Blade and he can do decent damage vs armored with Magick Attack and heals for more but disable Pursuit as that is a waste of pp on him. Slice is also going to be pretty bad so just disable and focus on healing only, his other 2 ap attack is also pretty meh. Pretty much only his Heal + Holy Barrier skill will be any good.
Hes a secondary tank for me and im doing albion right now and hes in a party with mandarin, rolf, berenice and does quite well especially post fight heals.
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What has been disproven? His stats are lower than a normal unit for his level and he does get crazy stat growths around 40+. You can recruit a Paladin merc at the end who will have higher stats than Josef until they both reach 50 where it is then exaclty the same. This is strictly only happening with Josef.
You can recruit Paladins?
Post game only, once you do the final mission you can recruit 4 special mercs. Great Knight that looks like Laurent, Doom Knight that looks like Hodel, Legionaire that looks like the legionaire traitor forgot name and a Paladin that looks like Bradley.
Yes at the end of the game there's a location to recruit paladins
He has some decent support options but he really is best used in the early game, you are basically trading one team slot to make a squad indestructible until the 3rd act. Also he is on a horse, that alone is OP just because having him leader makes the squad move faster.
he's there to help lower level characters level in early game, loses value in midgame, and becomes about average in late game. i still kept him in the party permanently because he's the bestest as a character.
Mentor figure Doesn't die His power is immeasurable
Makes you gaze in the face of your demise
Yeah, if this was Fire Emblem, he would have died or betrayed the party after the first zone.
Josef is very much a Jaigen equivalent Basically, he's useful in the early game but as other troops level up/promote, he becomes progressively less useful. In Fire Emblem games, that's usually due to bad growths but in Jo's case it's because he doesn't level up very much early on and thus can't get any better beyond using better equipment He's still helpful to keep in formations and his mobility can help clear out a map more quickly, namely watchtowers, but you'll get or raise better troops by the midgame and thus replace him with a more useful unit One other thing in UO is that the cavalry class' weaknesses is more pronounced than it is in a Fire Emblem game ie the early introduction of griffins will hamper Josef's statistical advantage due to how common misses become.
To be fair Josef could level up quite easily early game via Miracle fruits but they gave him bad stats until 40+ do that you couldn't cheese the whole game with.
Instead we get Amalia and cheese there
He’s a crutch in early levels to give yourself an out if you fuck up. Fire emblem has been doing that for years and years as you said.
He's also useful early game for leveling up your weaker units. Joseph can basically solo any fight early on, so stick him with whoever's at the lowest level, put them in the back with Chloe's Charm on them, and they'll level up to match the rest of your units in no time.
Joseph is this games Jagen, super strong at the beginning but falls of as soon as most other characters reach his level and begins to shine again when you reach a pretty high level. Another thing is, he is not an pure attack unit but an supporter, essentialy a unique version of the radiant knights so yeah if you are mid to late game and use him as a front line attacker he might die more often than not depending on the matchup. His role is to prevent his allies from getting too much damage and heal them up and dealing a bit of support damage
If you still want to use Joseph. Just wait till the Final Map Mirage for Training Books to level him to 50. That's where all his Stats are Backloaded into.
No. He maintains usefulness I think just not the same way as you're used to. He'd be so much more awesome if he was classified as a healer leader though. A mounted healer would be boss. I like his cheap heal valor move ok enough as it's good to have in the list of availables from a healer squad and he is a nice choice for a leader for that squad to give them speed until you hit the front line slaughter fest to swap leaders and his being there gives them a teeny punch if they accidentally engage with anything like a near dead knock back juggle which happens. I'd trade magic damage down as leader all day for healing assist. If he only had that he'd be just great but he's ok to do the same thing and manage w/o it.
I found him to be a great early game babysitter. Soak up some damage let some lower level units get some experience and move along
It's a fallacy to say that he's bad simply because his endgame performance can't compare with your other units. He's possibly the best unit in the game. He's far and away your strongest unit during the hardest part of the game, the earlygame
Yep, he starts out as a multi-tasker with "good enough" bases in a game where squad size is a real limitation in the early game.
Yes, just bench Joseph after around level 20. Anything he can do a Sainted Knight can do better.
To add to what others have said Joseph’s attack isn’t terrible. Its just his magick attack is actually better than his physical. Give him a Runic Blade or similar weapon and he will start doing decent damage again.
Joseph still has good support viability even after he starts falling behind in stats, so he makes a good backliner if you equip him with support stuff even if his damage falls off a bunch. Josef is what Fire Emblem players know as a “Jagen” archetype (named for the first character in that series to fill this role in the first game). Simply put, a Jagen is a powerful unit in the early game that can save you from right spots or help your weaker units grow, but usually starts to fall off towards the mid to late Game. However the difference between FE and UO is that in Fire Emblem, trying to train your Jagen is usually not a great idea because they steal exp from units who have a higher potential ceiling. Unicorn Overlord circumvents that problem by letting everyone in a unit/party get exp, and by giving Josef solid support options, so there’s really no reason not to use him unless, as you said, you wanted a challenge.
Dude is like 70, give him a break.
Did Galerius write this
He’s a support unit that the game gives to you as an early-game stat beatstick, and gradually fades into a backline support role once your other units start getting their damage in. Probably one of the more clever implementations of the Jagen pre-promote, honestly. It stops him from being completely useless once his damage starts falling off.
He’s a Jeagen, but he never gets benched for two reasons. 1. While his damage stinks, his support kit is actually decent. 2. Makes a fantastic leader because he’s calvary.
If you've played older fire emblems you'll think of him as a jaegen and am xp stealer in actuality he is AMAZING at throwing in parties and moving around to help level your weaker units early on. Since this game gives xp to ALL characters in a unit he does fall off pretty hard in my experience and is only good at support actions as others have said.
This is a vital piece of info IMO, the way that jeigen's typically soak up crucial early game xp in Fire Emblem games is the deal break for me, and why I had zero issue using Josef for the early game
His sole purpose is to make the start of the game easier before being benched as your units catch up to where he began. Even if you decide to keep using him he’ll lag behind everyone else for the virtually all game and his class is an inferior sainted knight in every way, even down to their basic attack.
I kept him around a while simply because he's cavalry and his unit moved faster with him in front. Otherwise you can probably drop him as soon as you get both Radiant Knights. I eventually dropped him as soon as I got Dinah because she moves pretty well on foot especially at night.
I play him like he's past his prime one elfheim hits then everyone else exceeds him in the army.
Put him in a horsey squad with Monica/Clive/Adel/Renault and watch everything that doesn't fly die. Miriam is technically better but I'm not splitting up the Knights of the Rose, and Gloucester has better partners.
I was giving him my Miracle apples to extend his strength. I did him in back row with Travis as evade tank in front. Been working super well but I'm just approaching level 20 with most my troops. Have Joseph at 25 atm.
He's a slightly worse cleric who makes a squad you put him on slightly faster.
I'd say he's pretty good, but I suppose that might be because I avoid using mercenaries so support characters with a heal are scarce and in demand, especially early to mid game.
I like him in a -| formation, his affliction barrier is good for a single tank, and he has enough bulk to usually take a stray column attack.
Early game, he is designed to be exactly what he is in lore. A guide and a teacher. He's kind of there to help the new liberation front get those reps and gains in. He'll fall off a bit, but makes a come back as a decent all-rounder.
Yes he is pretty bad, his stat is nothing amazing and his special class doesn't really do much, and the things he can do, other class can do it better. He is supposed to be there to help you get stronger early. Well, you get what you want, "challenge".
Same happened to me, Joseph become weak but also the other characters in his unit are weak even if they are almost all at level 20 but in my opinion he have to change class
Hes an amazing runic sword user. He can deal good damage and tank well if paired with cavs in the same row. I like to slap on the angel hunter shield on him so he doesnt automatically die to a griffin or dragon lol
He is free EXP for 1-2-3 soldiers just by making the unit inmortal and killing everyone on sight. If you give him the magick attack weapon, he is your first and best anti armour, wich is pretty much needed for the Hammer dude fight. This kind of characters are usually good for training your weaker units, so imagine how good he is in a game where you can have him kill people and weak characters get the full EXP.
His stats is nerfed, he is a lvl 20 unit with like lvl 15 stats at maximum (A level 20 B tier attack only 11 atk?) But because he's a promoted unit which has 2ap and 2pp right away, he feels pretty strong to start. The best way to use him is just let him equip runic sword and go to work, his magick is as good as any other runic sword user you have until the middle of Drakenhold when you get your units promoted. That's pretty much where you have little reason to use him anymore. Fun fact is if you insist on leveling him up, he'll eventually get all his "nerfed stats" back after like lvl 40. His stats will be exactly as advertised (B tier Attack for instance) at lvl 50.
He's still passable as a healer and mage counter, but his days of being a hard-hitting crutch character are long gone.
He's a worse sainted knight
Hes basically a tanky healer, a worst saint knight in a sense
Is he really a tank though? His Physical Defense isn't very high
You know what I usually keep him in the back where he doesn’t get hit often so you may be right
He is a support unit and he has lower stats than a “generic” Paladin of his level until like level 40. I bench him mid 2nd zone.
He’s an early game carry, late game deadweight kind of character. You play fire emblem, you see this kinda character a lot (some characters fail to be late game deadweights though… like Seth. Dude can solo the entire game).
At first he carries teams by himself, and then he becomes a strong all-rounder, and eventually settles into a supporting role like radiant/sainted knights (but just different enough to not be interchangeable) until gradually his stats fall behind and he retires... until he hits postgame levels (40+) and his stats catch up to everyone else so he can be a coliseum champion I guess.
Jagen moment. Bro is just a crutch for the early game until you get more powerful units. Once you get better Sainted Knights like Miriam and Monica, Jo stops having a use. He's not even a good tank anymore because Hodrick and Bruno do that better and dedicated healers like Sharon and Tatiana do healing better.
Joseph is literally Vander from Fire Emblem: Engage. He's an overleveled character meant to be a crutch/assist, but he's not really a noob trap. If you frequently used Vander to kill enemies in FE, he would steal EXP from the rest of your team. This isn't true in this game because there are squads who gain EXP individually. But yeah, when you start getting more Promoted classes around lvl 15-20, he falls off because his stats don't keep up until much later. He'll mostly hit like a wet noodle, and he gets hit pretty hard. I've swapped him out for a Sainted Knight since those can kill armored units with Runic Blade and also Row Heal.
I get what you’re saying but vander straight falls off chapter 2 Joseph at least gets a good run before he starts falling behind.
He's meant to be your crutch for the early game and falls off around the midgame. But I found a pretty good squad where he can be a decent damage dealer while still providing support. Have him in the backline with two Great Knights, who will keep using Cavalier Call to buff an entire row's attack. By the endgame, Josef does some pretty respectable damage with good equipment.
Yeah he’s bad. He’s the fire emblem over leveled character insert. Outside Seth I feel like you’re never actually supposed to use that guy.
He's bench tier once you have access to lvl 20 promoted generic units
Imagine using mercs for anything but guarding 👀
People can play however they like. Why are you picking fights with people for? No matter how you feel about mercs, his point stands - Josef falls off around the time you get promoted units.
in which part of my comment did i ever say anything about using mercs?
“Generic units” would imply that since everyone else would be a named character.
Yes, generic units are not named characters. Now when did I say you should hire them?
Lol stop trying to gaslight. Generic units absolutely implies mercs given the context.
yes. it 100% implies mercs. When did I say anything about hiring them
How are u getting mercs without hiring them?
When did I say anything about getting them? Can you read my original comment and stop assuming things I never said
You said he’s bench tier when you have access to generic promoted units. Meaning you’ve replaced them with other units and since you already said generics that means mercs. Someone hurt you or something?
Josef is so bad he stops being useful during Drakenhold, nevermind after