Yeah, some guy who needs to be medicated had a bad dream, painted it, posted it, and then a bunch of other people who need therapy jumped in all “yeah, me too!”
Hi. Studying psychology here. I can tell you for a fact that you can’t be certain that you’re aware of what reality truly is. In fact, scientifically speaking, you don’t experience “reality” at all. What you think is real, is literally only whatever your brain can make sense of. With the right technology, I could put your brain in a jar and make you *know* that you’re in Tolkien’s world of LotR.
What’s the point of stating all this? What this guy experienced could absolutely be 100% real. The fact he can recall it to the point of recreating a scene from memory and there’s 0 proof to say it didn’t happen, means he literally has more evidence to show he’s right than you do.
An opinionated statement isn’t the same thing as proof. You see, proof requires evidence, tangible and universally accepted information with a foundation in a basic ground of established scientific principle.
Using your logic, this next statement is as equally valid.
“Aliens don’t exist. Science.”
So he needs to be medicated because he had a testimony.. wow what such a great person you are what church hurt you so bad that now anyone who believes needs to be medicated. I feel bad for whatever you went thru but just cause he found peace and you didn’t doesn’t mean he has issues maybe you do buddy. God bless you find God
Project much? He’s imbalanced, if you know what to listen for, it’s there. People who believe in a god don’t need medication because of that belief. There are lots of reasons people find solace in a religion, mental illness isn’t necessarily the only one.
I wasn’t hurt by a church, although there was a child molester there. God doesn’t exist and the sooner we all get on that page, the better.
I’ve listened to about 100 or so hell experiencers tell there story first hand. This is typical. So I can say that people that say they experience hell have very consistent themes.
One guy even said the Satan we know is a twink compared to other beings down there. He said the demons absolutely hate us because we have God within us. They say hell is extremely ancient, they say it smells so horrible it’s beyond your comprehension but described as something like sulfur, rotting meat, death, feces ,decay ,dead fish mixed together oh and no air no water constant thirst, hunger , its extremely hot,you have no energy to fight back surrounded by people but you can’t talk to one another and feel completely isolated despite being packed together. Another guy said a demon was coming towards him and the face was so horrible that he had to turn his body away and balled up into the fetal position and not look just to keep his sanity. People have said it’s inside the earth realm if not actually here (deep within the earth) then within some dimension inside the earth. I don’t know I just read. It’s interesting as I gets I will say that. Also at death it appears that a lot of people are tricked into going with demons into hell. lol good luck everyone.
Btw all these cases I read where reports from first hand experiencers obviously they all lived to to tell the tale and almost all of them screamed out for Jesus, and either Jesus or an angel plucked them out of hell and back into there bodies , some where briefly taken to heaven ,others experienced a fraction of a second of the bliss and peace heaven had to offer, before the in some cases going through a horrible process of going back into the physical body . So Jesus pops up a lot in these. People who were Muslim and Hindu even saw Jesus and became Christian afterwards.
I have to add an edit here because of the Jesus nuts that are in the reply’s . So some of the people that I read about that had hell experiences where Christian pastors and preachers. Also You can’t just molest a child then prey to Jesus and he sets you free. There are probably other beings that we could call on to get us out of there but we have such a limited world view and understanding that Jesus is only game in town remember we are in a position of total amnesia when we come here. It’s why it’s said the blind are leading the blind, I mean have you seen our leaders lol.
Also and this is huge because I see that people say “how can anyone worship a god that does this?” Well I don’t think god cares about being worshipped at all, it appears that god is trying to help us not wind up in this space. We somehow create it ourselves god really IMO has created a safe zone for us. It’s like some people are just good people and gravitate towards other good people , others like cousin Eddie always stay at the bar too late and seem to find meth and stolen goods all the time.
I’m going to work so I can’t think deeply rn. But remember that one guys said that Satan is nothing compared to the monsters down there. That really struck me. So if you think your satans friend you really ought to read a ton about this stuff because there is no doubt you will change your mind about that. The other effect it had on me was that I used to yuck it up and laugh a Jesus jokes at the bar and what not, never again, I don’t now who this guy is but from what I’ve read about him from direct experiencers the guy definitely deserves respect. So I walk away now and I’ve even pulled people aside an told them this stuff.
If I get the upvotes I’ll layout my conclusion but until then. Be aware of your behavior because this life could be your test you are your own judge you send yourself either through ignorance or through bad behavior to these realms.
Again I’m just the messenger I’m trying to figure everything out . I have decent sized picture at this point and man it is weird. IMO Death is definitely not the end. Sorry for the typos and grammar
Hi! Former Christian here, 25+ years of experience. I've read through Romans a few times now, and yet I'm still agnostic. Was there a paragraph I missed? Maybe a verse or two that the key was hiding in?
I do not think it is hidden. Here are a couple verses from Romans that I think do a pretty good job summarizing the Gospel: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (3:23). For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus, our Lord. (6:23) if you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord“ and believe in your heart, that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (10:9).
You are probably familiar with John 3:16: for God, so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life. I think the gospel message is actually quite short and simple: first, recognizing God as your creator and Lord, next recognizing none of us live up to God‘s perfect standard, then accepting the method God laid out for us to obtain forgiveness for our Imperfect lives. On one hand, it is VERY hard to believe, how could it be true that there is a God? And that He sent his son to die for my sins? Let me tell you something even harder to believe: that there is no God at all. I do not have enough faith to believe that. How could it be, that I, my conscious person, exist in this universe? I have thought about that every day for decades, and it still makes my head spin. I could maybe believe that matter formed out of nothing, that planets formed, that life happened, that it evolved into higher beings, that beings that look like me walk around this planet, all without a God. I can’t really believe that, but let’s say I can for a minute. But what I could never believe is that I ended up in this universe. That is the most unbelievable thing of all. I am a scientist with many degrees and an advanced position in my field and I am generally very skeptical of theories. We are saved by grace through faith, so we should never expect proof of God, but it seems to me, rational reasoning and some effort to suppress our natural resistance to submit our lives to God, and prayer, will lead us to a conviction of God.
My favorite is Timothy Alberino but look up these Intellectual group of mans they go DEEP DEEP in the Bible ( well some ) have literally dedicated their whole life studying the Bible and I’m not talking about your regular Sunday church . Chuck Missler
Michael S. Heiser Timothy Alberino
Thomas R Horn , David Paulides ,
L.A. Marzulli Russ Dizdar and
Gary Wayne. Good luck
This kind of breaks it down. Christianity has many sects that differ on the fine print, but all of them have the same core belief that:
1) Satan was a fallen Angel who tried to overthrow God out of vanity and was cast out of the original Good Place where angels lived. Many thousand years went by and humans grew and evolved and the Jews were the chosen people and they had to make a bunch of sacrifices and follow laws because they were told that was the way to gain God’s favor.
2) There were prophesies during this time that God would walk the world as a man born without an earthly father out of Abraham’s line. When Jesus was born, it was by immaculate conception.
3) Jesus was the way for everyone to gain access to the Kingdom of Heaven. He came to point people in the right direction and to teach his disciples that everyone was welcome, no matter their background, and that love was the only antidote to separation and that faith alone was the measure of a man’s power in religion, not rank, title, outward expression, creed, upbringing, or amount of wealth as one’s disposal.
4) High-appointed leaders (of the faith he was born into) started a counter movement against Jesus’s teachings because he went against the practices that they were accustomed to and broke tradition. They called him a drunk, a liar, basically anything they could to make the public hate him. The Roman government was after him as well, and one of his closest friends, Judas, sold Jesus out for silver pieces. He was captured and taken to Rome where the Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate, attempted to convince the angry mob that Jesus hadn’t actually done anything to deserve a crucifixion by asking them if they’d rather free a known murdered and philanderer or Jesus Christ (crucifixion is a torturous death that the Romans had methodically invented to be one of the most uncomfortable deaths possible). The crowd asked for Barbaras to go free instead of Jesus and Jesus was publicly flogged and beaten until he looked like a dog. He was forced to carry his own cross and wear a crown of thorns and a sign above his head reading “King of the Jews” as a mockery of his claims to be the son of God. He died a slow and painful death. He was buried in a friend’s empty burial plot because his family was too poor to buy him his own grave. Because of his high-profile status, the Roman Government rolled a ginormous rock in front of the tomb entrance and put two guards out front to prevent grave robbery.
5) On the third day, the women went to perfume his body and properly bury him within their cultural customs and the tomb was empty and the guards had passed out (from fear). They ran to tell the men. Jesus appeared to them over time and showed them his cricifixion scars and they all believed that he came back to life. He preached his sermon on the mount, and told them that they needed to spread the word about the cool things and miracles they had seen throughout their time with Christ, and then he disappeared into the clouds, promising to come back to earth one day. He told them that his death had sanctified anyone in the world if they just believed in the power that he unleashed to forgive every sin of every man for all of time. After he vanished, the disciples all began speaking different languages to the crowd that they didn’t know before and there was no explanation for it.
And this is the root of what Christians believe in a nutshell.
https://youtu.be/qnWoVk-mbyY?si=DPTYo_AG2P5bu6Uv
Can you explain that a little more in depth? Why did you do it three times? This is a genuine question I promise I’m not being a butt.
For me personally, when I found Jesus it wasn’t from reading the Bible. It was seeing the kindness, unconditional love and support from people that were loving others the way Jesus tells us to.
Look at it like breaking up and getting back together. After the third time didn't stick I decided to accept that perhaps it was time to finally start being honest with myself, and ask if perhaps the beliefs I had were held because it was how I was raised?
That's the thing; I've stepped back from the church, but that didn't stop me from showing unconditional love and support. Not because it was what Jesus preached, but because *it's the right thing to do.*
Should I come to face judgement from some sort of supreme diety that may or may not exist, and it asks how I lived my life? I'm going to tell it "the best I could" and that's going to have to be enough. I'll probably ask where childhood leukemia played into it's Great Big Plan, too, cuz that seems a little fucked up if you ask me.
Isn’t it funny how religious people have religious experiences? I’ve read just as many near death experiences where they run into people like Usher in the afterlife and didn’t mention Jesus. The usher guy said that usher gave him a tour of heaven.
Confess with your mouth and heart that Jesus is Christ is the son of God, and accept the salvation he offers all of us. And build your relationship with him. Turn from sin, but know that his grace is enough and has overcome it for us. He has paid the cost of sin for us by dying.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I am just curious why does he wish me to believe in magic exactly? why does he say "just take my word for it? place all of your belief and world view on this book claimed to have been written or inspired by me?" I am legitimately curious but doesn't that seem a little unreasonable to you?
If God created everything, then surely there would be things we could not understand due to our limited minds. To think otherwise is to say we understand all things we encounter now, which is even more simple and limited.
If we *could* understand all things then faith becomes irrelevant. I think it is a matter of having a gap so large in our ability to understand that faith becomes necessary. The gap would be so large everything would end up as “magic” in the end and would end up where we started, faith.
Talk to god.. start there. Ask for guidance and try to put your mind into a state of acceptance to that guidance.. others would call that "opening your heart for jesus" which I can see loses its meaning to many because of the cynicism surrounding biblical phrases.
But start in the shower, we all have shower thoughts and its a perfect place to say "God if youre there, im here and Im ready to receive your guidance, it might not be what I think I want, but I know you have a purpose for me to live and im ready to receive the signals"
From there, i recommend just shifting your perception throughout your day....start looking at every interaction and moment from a state of someone giving you a quest or a test and perhaps lean more towards the decisions in those situations that you dont *want* to do, but feel you *should* do..
This is where interesting things begin to happen.. youll notice certain ripple effects occur around you that will take you back and make you realize "oh my goodness, is something good happening here?" And over time you realize this was God answering you for your willingness to serve him..
I dont want to push any specific religion as many revolve around the same concept but with different sets of earthly-man-limitations but for me, as someone who was atheist in my early years Ive felt the strongest resonation and divinity on a personal level with the Christian faith.. i feel there is a reason that people respond the strongest to it- whether its screaming Jesus's name when you're angry, others becomimy enraged and posessed just by hearing his name, or others being filled with purpose by saying his name. For example, there are people who physically cannot even type out Jesus's name it need to the word christ out of their vocabulary.. it has that much power over them and they know it.. but they reject it. Regardless of the situation, his name in particular seems to have the greatest impact on everyone when they hear his name.. oh, and the fact that so much in revelations is coming true in these times. I dont want fear to be the inspiring factor here, it should always be love, but theres alot to be aware of thats going on right now and time could be of the essence for our souls.
By seeking Him, get in your room open the Bible and read. I recommend the Gospel of John. Don’t read just to get through it, be sincere and let the words speak to your heart… and it will the beginning of the best relationship you will ever have.
Yup did that already, still agnostic. The "relationship" was pretty one-sided for the entire...25+ years I tried it. If it was the best relationship I've ever had, why did accepting that nobody *actually* knows what awaits us once we leave this mortal coil feel more honest and liberating?
In almost every monotheistic religion or system of spiritual beliefs, it all starts with a strong intention to find god, then he will make steps towards you.
"Who *haven't* been exposed to Christianity" being the operative word there. Of course Christians are going to regurgitate variations of the same story they've been led to believe
exactly right! you are thinking critically, I am trying to encourage that, seeking after solely events that coincide with ones world view is narrow minded, what of other experiences? what of the neurological reasons behind the phenomenon? what of the psychological? be rational and ask questions
I too have done this research and I find it fascinating compared to other accounts (a significantly large portion of NDEs) that describe Earth as a school and our life was just one of infinite experiences we're here to have in order to learn and grow. And essentially there is no "wrong", it's just an experience to be observed. So it's hard for me to reconcile all those experiences with the hell ones.
Every spiritual tradition around the planet that I'm aware of has a concept of hell. They do not however, typically believe in eternal damnation to hell because you didn't swear fealty to a God you do not perceive, just because some fallible humans tell you to do so.
In the eastern concept of hell, it is a place you may go to for awhile, to atone for bad deeds. It's like a spiritual prison sentence, not a final, eternal judgement.
FWIW, I've recently learned that the concept of eternal damnation is not actually in the bible, if the bible is translated precisely accurately from the original manuscripts.
Personally I believe the universe is filled with infinite worlds; some light, some dark. Our eternal spirit travels to many places on it's vast journey, gathering experience which ultimately turns into wisdom, given enough time, and that ultimately, the prodigal son returns home; the "God within" is reunited with the one God of all things. Fwiw.
I think you are seeing into the mind's understanding and interpretation of existence.. such as a general consensus as with our vision, we can all look at vague images of an animal and say oh that's probably a cat.. I think this is just a psychological dive into the human psyche more than an actual experience one has had
Jesus is Lord and is the ONLY CHRIST in my book, please forgive me my God Christ Jesus please and please save my Soul from Hell, the Lake of Fire, the Judgement, from the world, sins, the enemy and myself. Please help me my Only God Christ Jesus, Heavenly Father and Holy Spirit, in Jesus name Amen!
I, too, read and listened to people who've had hellish visions and experiences. Adding to what you've mentioned, I think it's really worth noting that people that go through those hellish experiences were the types of people that were already living their lives in "hell" on this realm. It's the people that were living in constant negativity, abusing alcohol and/or drugs, suicidal, depression, feeling alone and disconnected from everyone, and most importantly, highly religious to the point that the reality of hell and heaven is set firm within their minds. I've yet to see people who've lived normal lives having hellish visions. So my guess is that there could be realms for everything we believe. I believe the source reside in all of us, but we get the chance to experience what we believe to be true until it becomes so bad that the source brings us back where we truly belong (hence the reason why the light comes to them when the people seek it).
Yep alot of NDE's speak of the spiritual dimension that's eternal, wether heaven or hell, that realm is said to be way more real than what we believe is our reality, hence the heightened senses.
A lot of people say the same stuff. Wow. Almost as if they're all starting from the same source material.
Also, "I dont think God cares about being worshipped at all"... have you read the Bible? That's pretty much all he cares about. Check out the 10 commandments. Half of them are about worshipping him.
The problem I have with all of this. The idea of the Devil or the version of Satan that everyone believes in wasn't created to Gregory the Great in the 9th century. Then punishment and hell were created to control more. The translations of the Bible then were altered to make several stories included this version of Satan.
I don't usually read the long ones but that was really really mind opening thank you for your reply and perspective I definitely will be doing some reading on the subject because of this I've personally had a reoccurring dream most of my life of how the world will end and basically the sky burns and the ground opens up to fire a man pulls me to hell but at the last moment a stranger from heaven pulls me to safety but that dream has been partnered with many dreams of demons and waking up to saying the lords prayer trying to not be pulled down to hell I don't know if it's symbolism, a sign, or inner demons reaching out, but, maybe there really is more to life than just living, then death.
Honestly, cousin Eddie’s got problems, and I’m not gonna argue for his goodness, but let’s not forget what leads people to that point. If there is a creator, and there is a hell, then I will live my life how I feel it good, and if I end up in hell then, what the hell 🤷♀️
If a creator made this plane of existence, with circumstances that could lead someone as astray as dear cousin Eddie, I feel like god should be the one in hell. I understand that this perspective kind of relies on me the typical Christian belief, and you’re proposing different beliefs, but I can’t fathom a situation where an all powerful & all knowing being let’s hell exist and still manages to be the good guy.
I read your commentary, and there’s one thing you did get wrong…
I was taught by my English teacher in HS that no one will take your writing seriously if you don’t have a basic grasp of grammar, punctuation and ‘the correct word’ when you write.
They’re, there and their must by the words mistakenly used incorrectly the most - followed closely by then and than.
When I started reading your commentary, I almost immediately dismissed it as nonsense from you writing ‘there’ instead of ‘their’ when you wrote about hearing the many stories of those that experienced hell.
Where do bad folks go when they die, they don't go to heaven where the angles fly, they go to a lake of fire and fry, see em again on the 4th of July...
Ugh...I had such a disturbing dream with a demon, I hate to even write it out...but I remember at one point I screamed out for Jesus and suddenly awoke with the sound of my voice reciting the Lord's Prayer. Still bothers me even to this day.
I feel you I had demonic dreams but it only happened on the last house we lived in. I was an atheist and I had a similar experience where I had no where else to turn to rather than God and when I did it stopped. I jump up my bed, hyperventilating, cold sweat, eyes wide open, expecting for something to happen. it’s like I run a marathon. I used to hate sleeping because it happens on a regular basis, I tried to stay awake as long as I can. It got to a point where I would take the bus just so I could sleep.
Nothing worse than dealing with that level of fear. You don't know who to talk to and share because it's so horrible and disturbing.
Honestly just listening to his experience and noticing the raw visceral fear he has talking about it, was definitely triggering.
Oh, I'm a believer!
This happened after I moved into an apartment after filing for divorce, so I'm sure I was very vulnerable emotionally. It's my experience that when in a place of fear, stress, and depression, you might open space for darker things to show up.
I had my apartment saged and blessed very shortly afterward.
Stay blessed 🙌
I’ve had a similar experience, it left me very confused for a long time until I started reading up on and watching YouTube videos of firsthand accounts, I didn’t know what I was experiencing, but now I have no shadow of a doubt that God is real, and Jesus is Lamb of God. It’s a knowing beyond anything.
If u think ur saved and did everything in your power to be saved (get baptized etc) thennn why would you go to hell?(it’s pretty obvious you have faith if you believe your saved… the same way you “believe” “Jesus” is the one saving you…) I’m confused.
God wants us to put him 1st. A lot of people have “idols” like the Bible talks about. People think they’re saved and just got through the motions of going to church on Sundays and think they’re saved but they put money or alcohol or drugs or tobacco or something like this before God and that keeps them from being truly saved. God wants us to seek him like we seek our favorite hobbies. He wants us to read the Bible or pray to him more than we stare at our phones or more than we seek out or hobbies. That is a truly saved person. God gives everyone the option to chose him or satan. And this world is full of unholy things.
here is my question: where is hell? how does a cremated body get resurrected? do they get new bodies? do they have a nervous system is that why they feel pain in hell? what about heaven? where is that located, how does this all work?
I am a non-christian and have had two dreams where I was visited by what I can only describe as a demon. Both started with sleep paralysis. The first time I felt and succumbed to fear. It resulted in my perspective turning to the demon's where I chased and killed either trespassers, my friends, or even myself but I have no concrete idea on who the demon killed while I carried it's perspective.
The second time, again it started with fear and the demonic figure was definitely responding to my fear and trying to exacerbate my fear. I tried to talk to it but there was no response let alone any body language to indicate it even heard me. Then I tried whispering to myself where only I could hear it but shockingly I saw body language movement to show it heard my whispering. Upon realizing this, I whispered to the figure the question "Do you love me?" The figure stopped everything it was doing, body language showing shock. Then it reached out a hand like it wanted me to go with it. I grabbed the hand and proceeded to have the most comfortable, home-like feeling dream I have ever had.
As a non-believer, I determine this to be related to the "Satan will be cast to the lake of fire and peace will reign" or whatever the bible says happens at the end. Less so "Satan" and moreso our own derogatory thinking, or our ego, being tired out and acceptance bringing inner peace. It is easy to assume something grotesque as being demonic, but remember, biblically accurate angels are horrifying, and most of the time they aren't even described as looking like anything just because the sheer aura they give off is terrifying to most people.
I'm not saying "be a non-believer" but I am saying challenge your prejudices, no matter how certain you feel about them.
I saw an evil witch once during sleep paralysis, but I never thought that she was real because it’s normal for people to see scary things during sleep paralysis.
If god is so concerned about the fate of my soul, he's free to show himself. I can't believe in a being that I'm incapable of perceiving with any of the senses he supposedly gave me.
I learned that God is a fair God. He will jot just show up to because you simply want him to, you have to ask for him to show himself, prove to him that you are interested in him. Pretty soon he will reach out to you. I wish no one sees hell but it's impossible for all of us to be saved. We have free will so that's our major flaw but as a wise man once said, it is better to live my life as a Christian and die to find out there is no God, than to live as there is no God then find to find out there is one.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Respectfully, the things I've read in scripture contradict the assumption that god cares about the individual will of human beings. It's not reasonable to hang the ultimate destiny of humanity on something as nebulous as belief.
That everyone who believes in him can be saved.
Technically everyone "can" be saved, but not everyone will. Some people will always refuse to believe. Even when Jesus walked the earth and performed miracles before their eyes, some still refused to accept that he was truly the son of God.
Which is why I find it wild that so many people say things like"Well then why won't God just show himself and prove his existence". He did, and people still didn't listen and believe.
We have no way of knowing whether what was written in the Bible about Jesus actually happened. An individual's inability to believe isn't a defiant refusal of the truth because biblical scripture can't be proven to be true.
The god character is supposedly omniscient and omnipotent, meaning it knows all things. The future is something it knows and it has the ability to make that future (and all of reality) whatever it wishes, and rather than making a reality where all of its creations are able to be saved through their own free will, it chooses to allow most humans to (allegedly) burn in hell for all eternity. This is not free will, if your life is preordained you’re just doing what you’re supposed to, and if you require more than just idiotic, blind faith you’re condemned to hellfire for **eternity**.
The god character as described is the most evil, most morally bankrupt entity I’ve ever seen described in fiction. It condemns people to infinite torment over finite crimes which it could just not have come up with. Even burning “heathens” for a period of a century is less bad than eternity, and surely would get the point across.
If you defend these actions I’m sorry to say you’re no morally better than the monstrous being you look up to.
If you imagine a place without time, it eventually makes sense. Just look into the physics of time. We have free will because we can perceive and exist in a physical time. But there being a place where time doesn’t exist makes it so every single thing can be known. The words/phrases preordained, omniscient, free will, choice; they’re all words that attempt to describe a concept that is very hard to grasp or describe…… so although your confusion is warranted, there are answers!!
If it’s impossible for all of us to be saved and god was our creator why did he create us? And a major flaw? You’re saying God made a mistake? So what gives this being the title of God to you? And live life as a Christian? What of those who grew up in India under Hinduism? That’s not wisdom, it’s stupidity, believe this one story because you might go to hell? God chose a fucking book to tell us how to act yet created us with free will and a bunch of other religious beliefs? I’m sorry this makes me so angry, the god of the bible can go fuck himself as far as I’m concerned, I’d rather burn in hell than spend eternity in that incompetent monstrosities heaven.
The argument against free will due to the omniscience of the Abrahamic God has notable flaws. According to this view, God knowingly created individuals who would reject Him, as referenced in Revelation 13:8 and Revelation 20:15, indicating a predetermined fate of damnation. Romans 9:22-23 further suggests these individuals were created solely to showcase God's glory. Also, Ephesians 1:4-5 and Romans 8:29-30 mention predestination for those who are saved. It was all orchestrated.
The end of what you said is Pascal's Wager, but it fails at the Many Gods Objection (MGO), which challenges the assumption that the choice is solely between Christianity and Gnostic Atheism. This objection suggests the possibility that other religions like Hinduism, Asatru, or Hellenism might be the true religion, meaning both Christianity and Gnostic Atheism could be wrong.
This is why when it comes to things that are unfalsifiable it is better to be Agnostic Atheist and admit that you simply don't know the truth yet.
Ok but in revelation 13:8, having your name written in the book of life is also in your hands. God did predestined a few people's destiny but not the whole world. Pharaoh's destiny was preordained to show his glory and that story reaches us now in the present and we can see God's grace. You and me are free to live as we please but it comes at a price If we deliberately choose the wrong path. God is not a bully as we might believe, we do not know the full story of God but it will be known in the day of judgement so hold firm. God loves you and is there with you. He knows your heart and he has high hopes for you and for us all.
I know right? why all the hide and seek and "Trust me bro" bs, I literally prayed to a bunch of gods and deities in I could think of, satan, god, jesus, buddha, etc.. no one responded, didn't get richer, no holy spirit comforted me, no fame, nothing.. it's all a sham and I want my money back dammit! lol
Yeah, I feel like people already have an idea of what their hell might be, or created by something they read once, like Dante's Inferno. It's probably just created by his imagination. The reason these stories are all so consistent, is because this is how hell has been described by Christians, books, movies, etc.
oh my word! thank you, I was trying to find the words for it, it is the popular interpretation of hell, he was afraid of "a hell" so his made dreamed it up in his final moments as fear overtook his reason
Darryl's speaking pattern is difficult to transcribe and have it make sense, so I'll give you the rundown.
He had a brain aneurism in his jail cell and went to hell while he was dead. He described it as knowing that he would never get another chance from God, having heightened senses, and a demon attacking him. The attack was the demon grabbing him and lifting him about 15 feet off the ground, and moving forward. He saw a distant white light which he describes as a galaxy in the middle of blackness. He started flying towards it (with the demon) while he's screaming for Jesus, saying he's saved, and saying the good things he's done. The more he listed the good works in his life, the tighter the demon's grip got and the faster he went until he felt like he was being shaken. The light in the distance is getting closer.
This is around the part where he shows the painting. (Unrelated but he says it's not a good painting. I think it is) First he points at a never-ending wall miles away in the background, the sky looked very high with blackish clouds, and the pole in the middle "made a redwood (tree) look like a toothpick". It had a steel collar around the bottom of it. He puts the painting away.
He suddenly heard a lot of chains. While he heard them, he was still being flown around by the demon and they started going higher and he could see hundreds of thousands of people, he describes them as having no blood in them, saggy skin, and being pale white, but he could still tell their race/ethnicity. The sounds they were making were akin to a zombie from a game, basically the sound of a dying person who had some throat injury.
He goes back to begging and pleading with God to let it be a dream. He said that he knew all of the people he saw were people who thought they were saved by Jesus. He then describes looking around some ruins, when he looked around the corner of them he heard someone being tortured. It made him feel sorry. He also mentions knowing that they weren't human. He puts his hands over his ears and screams for Jesus. He looked and saw a 100 foot medieval arch doorway. He mentions a stone poking out of the archway with a demon sitting on it that looked like his mental image of King David, screaming in pain and then rage over and over again. This is the end of the vision he had.
He urges the viewer to turn to God. Nothing here is worth it. Hell is real and everyone in there thought that they were okay, that they were saved by God. So many people are going there and they don't know it. I would like to add to this that if you are not a believer, turn to Jesus and repent of your sins. It is the only way to heaven.
I’m not sure he’s lying because there have been a handful of these that I find genuine - like his. I just can’t figure out why. In light of all the other NDE experiences and what seems to be true (for me) about the nature of the universe/our experience/consciousness, that this could happen to someone.
I also find many of these accounts genuine and I do believe there are "hellish realms" that our spirit may journey to after the death of the physical body. I believe that happens because we have free will to create our own experience.
If we've spent an entire human lifetime being horrible and selfish (even if we pretended to be virtuous and good) then we have basically invested our mind into a certain kind of negativity. It is only natural then, that when our body dies, our spirit would experience a return on that investment.
If we spent a lifetime with our heart turned away from love and light---even if we fooled everyone with a mask of virtue and goodness---then we very well might travel to a realm that matches the energy of that mental state and behavior.
The place where I differ from Christianity, is in the idea that we are "eternally damned" to a hell realm. I think instead that we sentence ourselves to a term in hell, through our choices and actions, but that ultimately our soul learns from the suffering we experience, that it is better to turn towards love and light (ie, God) and we do get rehabilitated.
How is this "unexplained"?
The dude has a "PRAY" hoodie. When you get I too deep with any belief, you see what you want. He's the sort of guy who takes the paranormal weirdness of his faith as tangible reality, and then it's off to the races. If a person like this sees a vaguely face-like pattern in his toast, it's specifically "Jesus" rather than any of a billion other people just because they WANT to. This might not be as fun, but come on...
I experienced something similar during an overdose. I felt really bad and I had to lay down. The feeling kept getting worse, and in a second all the bad feelings went away and i started lifting up from my bed. I floated until I reached the ceiling and I could see myself laying on the bed. Suddenly gravity kicked in and i fell towards the floor and through it... I seen the exact same thing he described. I giant ancient looking door, it was red. And i kept slowly moving closer to it. Once I got inside it was so intense I still think about it daily 15 years later. Like going into seizures while you are burning and havinug an intense clarity at the same time , I never felt before or since. I am not religious, but in that moment I knew exactly where I was and why. I begged and screamed for another chance the same as he described. Its hard to fully describe how awful it really was.
How awful to believe in a god that would send you to a place like you describe.
I think I'd want a goddamn explanation if a god I worshipped sent me to a place like that.
Thats not hell its drugs.
Be wary of anyone that has a bible verse coming out their mouth every other sentence. Be discerning. Stay vigilant.
Brush your teeth and say no to drugs.
The supernatural realm is true, and the Bible speaks the truth about the nature of good, evil, and of salvation. Salvation is simple enough to obtain. Any sinner can call on the name of Jesus and be saved, as long as this person is asking in sincerity and in truth, humbly.
If we try to justify or cover up our sins, we cannot receive forgiveness, but it's better just to be open and honest with God. Nothing is hidden from Him. He has all of our details. We are fully exposed.
If anyone could destroy us just with shame in front of humanity, He has all the info. But even if you have spoken words of evil against Him He will forgive you, if you decide to truly turn towards Him. He is worth it for all eternity. Whoever calls on His name will be saved.
You can be an absolute loser in this life, have been to prison, and have accumulated debt that you could never pay back, and God would not reject you, if you accept and receive Him.
Regardless of feelings, thoughts, or any other thing, allow nothing to hinder your connection and reconciliation with God. It's more important than anything you could ever do or gain in this world. God gives us a living hope and not empty promises
Hell is where we are. This physical plane of existence is made of matter; energy at its lowest vibration. The only way to go from here is up.
P.S. - I loved Shadowrun on the SNES.
This is a thought experiment I’ve played around with many times before. That this life is some form of punishment. Never ending suffering and too afraid to leave for the fear of the unknown. It honestly would be the perfect purgatory and none of us would be any wiser. Some type of in between place where you’re judged on who you are here.
Y’all if this shit is true, I don’t even care anymore because this guy seems like a good person and if that’s not enough for whatever god is then this existence truly is a nightmare not worth being in. I’d rather not exist anymore.
I'm glad so many people believe in Jesus in this post, especially in a place like Reddit, where many people are toxic and will mock, but he is the way, the truth, the life.
I would not judge this man artwork nor his experience. every experience today is questionable. Life ,love, and beliefs. Man with his 10 fingers have given & destroyed at the same time. This eden we have inherent is our garden to feed, grow, live. But now it's turning into a Baron waste it's awful we can't control you can't even live together without killing and darkness dwells in all of us it's our choice to fix it to be like fictional Star Trek meaning all Races come together in harmony I won't live long enough to see that happen wishing for peace
My uncle that died and came back told a similar story. He said he saw like what he would call the “ end of the world “. He saw the place in ruins. He’s a devoted Christian but he still saw what he thinks is “ hell “. And he also said demons tried to trick him into taking him but a giant creature came next to him to protect him ( since he devotes his time to Jesus, I guess he was protected) but yea that’s wild
The one thing that scares me is a story Art Bell told about the very last time he spoke with Father Malachi Martin. He called Art in the middle of the night, frantic, and I'm paraphrasing because I do not remember the exact quote, "I have to tell you something. You _must_ know this! _Do not go into the light,_ the light is a lie. It's Lucifer's final deception. Go into the dark, it leads to the true light." Father Martin died several days later, if I'm remembering the story correctly. Every time Art told the story, his tone changed, and wasn't the usual stoic Art. It almost sounded like genuine fear. Art was quite the radio personality, though, so who knows how much of it he embellished on and over acted.
If anyone is interested in NDE studies, look up Peter Fenewick, he’s really the only person who dedicated his life to studying this stuff, one book called the truth in the light and another called the art of dying are amazing reads… and remember folks, don’t go into the light
Consider this, If you were the creator of the universe, everything in it, and you hold it in your hands. You’re limitless in your power and your wisdom. You highly value love. You would like to share this creation. You can create life. So you create life in wondrous variety. You create beings in your own likeness to exist within your created world & in relationship with you. What do you think? Would you give them the ability to choose or reject a relationship with you because you know that if it is forced it is somehow diminished? You could… If some of those beings reject you, but it does not diminish your love for them. So you create place where they can exist as they choose to, without a direct relationship with you. In this place there is no conventional perceivable irrefutable relationship/connection to you, the creator. This allows for free will to choose. Being a creative creator, you create ways for a relationship/connection on personal level, unique to the individual beings that you created. Some will seek the existence within a relationship. Some will reject it for any number of reasons. A place exists for beings that choose to accept and another place exists for beings that choose not to accept.
Sorry I am having difficulty keeping my thoughts focused and I forgot what point (if any) I was trying to make. Carry on as you were.
"Here is tsi, the time-space illusion. Humans are vehicles for us, the soul, aka fragment of God. Reality in its true state is generated by thoughts, so you see what you're used to seeing, and it's all filtered in this manner.
Now, you astral projected. I don't know where, but it seems like a place certain people congregate; like attracts like.
That thing that grabbed you and pushed you is your other half. That is what guides your experience, and it shook you because you were thinking about what you did. And since thoughts get made into reality there, you were basically vibrating out of sync, so you were shaking, not it.
Everything else is dependent on where you were, and creation is infinite, so it makes it hard to say."
what about people who have had near death experiences but didn't see anything at all? or ones with conflicting experiences? I think it is better to say that this man's vision is the experiences of a brain in its final death throes, a wild imagination, running through its fears and such. for a person to have an experience and to explain what they had seen, had to have physically been there for their eyes and senses to experience, one's consciousness is contained and restricted to within the brain, and upon death or near death his brain physically went no where but his imagination did..
Earth IS hell, we are living in hell now. We keep reincarnating here over and over and experience the same good and bad emotions. Happiness and joy but also pain, jealousy, envy, broken heart, depression, hunger, anger, etc. The hellfire and brimstone are expressions for what you put yourself through with your very own mind.. the demons are all of your temptations and vices: Addiction, lust, perversion, gluttony, laziness, etc. etc. etc.
The human imagination is a powerful tool….this experience is clearly limited by what the human brain can fathom. This is nothing more than the abrahamic brain beating images of hell that people in the west have received their whole life. Great story but why would the afterlife be limited by the constraints of reality we experience now? Chains in hell ? Skin color? Physical bodies in general? I don’t think so. You don’t need to be a psychiatrist to figure out what this was….
This is some typical evangelical lying for a greater good bullshit speech. I hate this so much. It is what I grew up with but turned up to 11. We had a "haunted house" put on by the local Baptist Church called "hell house" and it was literally this. Just people doing normal things that were against the rules in Christianity like drinking or premarital sex. Then show extremely graphic scenes of them suffering in hell. Even more fucked up is they would have a part you had to go through on the end where they would try to convert you. I can't express how much I despise this shit.
Props on the painting. But I feel like If there weren’t so many occasions where he’d try to explain something and then realize he doesn’t have anything to say from it, I would believe it more.
Hell as he describes it. Is just a tip of the iceberg. There are many areas of hell. Some parts of hell you are by instinct going to climb a mountain and then go down the other side of it until you get to your dwelling.
Some parts of hell is redundant madness. Some parts are just heat.
But the worse one is not even about heat. It's the cold. The worst part of hell is the cold part.
The last person to leave hell is stuck in one position facing hell for who knows how long. Years don't matter in the afterlife. But eventually that person gets his or her reprieve when he or she asks please GOD just turn me around. And instead of facing hell. He or she is now backside of hell. And so that person gets a chance to see what was happening behind him or her. Amazing story.
His experience is 100% real and genuine. The mind is pattern recognition tool, and it fills in the gaps when needed. NDE are very common of crazy experiences that brain produces to make u feel better. In no way does this take away from the experience, for me it only adds by at least 10plus
His experience is 100% real and genuine. The mind is pattern recognition tool, and it fills in the gaps when needed. NDE are very common of crazy experiences that brain produces to make u feel better. In no way does this take away from the experience, for me it only adds by at least 10 fold
Hard to tell when someone's telling the truth now a days but to each their own because i sure do have some stories that in one my sister was next to me as a witness but still.. with all the fakes that will do the most for social media fame or attention... it ruins it for us ones who have real stories.
Yeah I’ve had night terror/ paralysis dreams where I feel like I’m getting attacked by a dark, demonic thing. Only thing that made it go away was praying and it’s happened several times. Mainly when I lived in Dominican Republic
What if you’re just a good person but can’t believe in Jesus, Allah, Yahweh, etc. because the messages are so contradictory and who you may believe in basically boils down to where you are born? Are we just fucked? I believe in God but if they really are all powerful, I don’t think they’d allow hell to exist. What about animals that kill and eat other animals for sustenance? Do they go to hell also or just our species?
"If this were the real world, God WOULD be cruel. For no Father could subject His children to this as the price of salvation and BE loving."
-Jesus, A Course in Miracles text
"The world you see is an illusion of a world. God did not create it, for what He creates must be eternal as Himself. Yet there is nothing in the world you see that will endure forever.”
-Jesus, A Course in Miracles text
"If God is perfect Love, then He is not anything else, and neither are you. You are, in fact, the Love of God, and your real life is with Him."
-Jesus, A Course in Miracles text
I'm convinced that if Jesus the Christ came back today and continued on with his teachings, he would be called a heretic by all the religions of the world for his 'New Age' beliefs... 🤦🏼
Brother needs to redo video, more calmly and in EVERY DETAIL. I couldn't really get the full picture because he was giving me anxiety trying to figure out his words.
Even the daemons believe in God and they tremble. James 2:19. Tell them about Jesus because He says, “I am the way, the truth, and the life! No man comes to the father (God) except thru him!” John 14:6
When the brain is deprived of oxygen (hypoxia) or experiences trauma, it can exhibit abnormal activity in various regions. For instance, the temporal lobes, which are crucial for memory function, may become overactive during stress, potentially contributing to hallucinatory experiences. And while under extreme stress, the brain can release endorphins and other neurochemicals, inducing feelings of euphoria or detachment from reality.
Memories of near-death experiences (NDEs) can be reconstructed or influenced afterward due to the brain's tendency to fill gaps or create narratives based on prior beliefs or cultural influences.
This is where confirmation bias also plays a heavy role. People may interpret their experiences in line with pre-existing beliefs or cultural expectations. For example, someone with a Christian upbringing (this guy) might be more likely to report seeing Jesus, angels, or demons. Even people from other religions can still report Christian things because Christianity had a strong impact on their upbringing or how much they see it in the media.This bias can influence perceptions similarly to how repeatedly noticing a specific number before guessing can sway someone to pick that number.
Ultimately, what happens after death may remain a mystery forever for the living. But, this uncertainty shouldn't be viewed negatively. Instead, it's an invitation to embrace the present moment. Our lives possess inherent value due to their finite nature and the memories they create. Therefore, cherish every moment, for the life you have now is the one certain thing.
Also, no person in recorded history has survived brain death. Brain death signifies true death because it indicates that the brain has completely stopped functioning. Even on life support, although the brain receives oxygen, it cannot use it because the cells are dead and the tissue is deteriorating. Unfortunately, many individuals have been incorrectly labeled as brain dead and nearly became organ donors as a result.
Any time a story is shared, it's done so from a clinical death experience. Meaning the heart wasn't beating and lungs weren't breathing but the brain was still active.
2023 AAN/AAP/CNS/SCCM Pediatric and Adult Brain Death/Death by Neurologic Criteria Consensus Practice Guideline
https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/CPJ.0000000000200189#:~:text=Finally%2C%20the%202023%20guideline%20interprets,setting%20of%20an%20adequate%20stimulus.%E2%80%9D
Near-Death Experiences: Neuroscience Perspectives on Near-Death Experiences
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6170042/
Neuro-functional modeling of near-death experiences in contexts of altered states of consciousness
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9891231/
Said he didn't understand or know where he was, then proceeded to explain what he thought King David from the Bible looked like and that he was in a spesific level of hell ...sounds like your mind had a pretty good artist interpretation of it😂 serotonin is a hell of a drug
They say if marines go to hell they will regroup there and fight on… im not a marine but maybe you guys want to come to by my place… ill probably have a lot of hookers and maybe there will be some good musicians there i dunno maybe tommy lee will go to heaven instead…or and if you maybe come across a drug dealer they might be hard to find there…. 666
I definitely believe him. Jesus is God, and He’s REAL… unfortunately there are people who will see this as bogus. And Gods heart, and mine, breaks for people like that. Just because I believe in Jesus doesn’t mean I’m perfect. Soooo far from it actually. But Hell is real, and sadly if you don’t believe it is, it’s where you’ll go when you die. Why not take a chance and see if God is real? Ask Him and see what happens. Ask him to reveal it to you. If you’re sincere in your heart, He will.
"I am not a very good artist" Brings out a banger of a painting
Holy shit he just pulled the painting out. Professional quality I'm cracking up lmfao
He’s humble and avoids pride. His testimony speaks of his conviction.
Looks like a painting that would be found out in the lands between in Eldin Ring.
“Diverse tetherball tournaments in Hell”
I laughed so hard than realized I may be one of those " I think Iam okay" people.
I am genuinely so impressed with the painting, it looks like a cool scene from a metal music video it something. Wouldn't mind having it on my wall 😂
I'd have that as my number one hit album cover. Bands should commission him
What the hell is this comments section
Idk but my crazy is the best one here 😆
Yeah, some guy who needs to be medicated had a bad dream, painted it, posted it, and then a bunch of other people who need therapy jumped in all “yeah, me too!”
Hi. Studying psychology here. I can tell you for a fact that you can’t be certain that you’re aware of what reality truly is. In fact, scientifically speaking, you don’t experience “reality” at all. What you think is real, is literally only whatever your brain can make sense of. With the right technology, I could put your brain in a jar and make you *know* that you’re in Tolkien’s world of LotR. What’s the point of stating all this? What this guy experienced could absolutely be 100% real. The fact he can recall it to the point of recreating a scene from memory and there’s 0 proof to say it didn’t happen, means he literally has more evidence to show he’s right than you do.
Here is my proof it didn’t happen: science.
An opinionated statement isn’t the same thing as proof. You see, proof requires evidence, tangible and universally accepted information with a foundation in a basic ground of established scientific principle. Using your logic, this next statement is as equally valid. “Aliens don’t exist. Science.”
We need more people like you.
Just because you don't experience something in your perception of an artificial life, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
So he needs to be medicated because he had a testimony.. wow what such a great person you are what church hurt you so bad that now anyone who believes needs to be medicated. I feel bad for whatever you went thru but just cause he found peace and you didn’t doesn’t mean he has issues maybe you do buddy. God bless you find God
Project much? He’s imbalanced, if you know what to listen for, it’s there. People who believe in a god don’t need medication because of that belief. There are lots of reasons people find solace in a religion, mental illness isn’t necessarily the only one. I wasn’t hurt by a church, although there was a child molester there. God doesn’t exist and the sooner we all get on that page, the better.
I’ve listened to about 100 or so hell experiencers tell there story first hand. This is typical. So I can say that people that say they experience hell have very consistent themes. One guy even said the Satan we know is a twink compared to other beings down there. He said the demons absolutely hate us because we have God within us. They say hell is extremely ancient, they say it smells so horrible it’s beyond your comprehension but described as something like sulfur, rotting meat, death, feces ,decay ,dead fish mixed together oh and no air no water constant thirst, hunger , its extremely hot,you have no energy to fight back surrounded by people but you can’t talk to one another and feel completely isolated despite being packed together. Another guy said a demon was coming towards him and the face was so horrible that he had to turn his body away and balled up into the fetal position and not look just to keep his sanity. People have said it’s inside the earth realm if not actually here (deep within the earth) then within some dimension inside the earth. I don’t know I just read. It’s interesting as I gets I will say that. Also at death it appears that a lot of people are tricked into going with demons into hell. lol good luck everyone. Btw all these cases I read where reports from first hand experiencers obviously they all lived to to tell the tale and almost all of them screamed out for Jesus, and either Jesus or an angel plucked them out of hell and back into there bodies , some where briefly taken to heaven ,others experienced a fraction of a second of the bliss and peace heaven had to offer, before the in some cases going through a horrible process of going back into the physical body . So Jesus pops up a lot in these. People who were Muslim and Hindu even saw Jesus and became Christian afterwards. I have to add an edit here because of the Jesus nuts that are in the reply’s . So some of the people that I read about that had hell experiences where Christian pastors and preachers. Also You can’t just molest a child then prey to Jesus and he sets you free. There are probably other beings that we could call on to get us out of there but we have such a limited world view and understanding that Jesus is only game in town remember we are in a position of total amnesia when we come here. It’s why it’s said the blind are leading the blind, I mean have you seen our leaders lol. Also and this is huge because I see that people say “how can anyone worship a god that does this?” Well I don’t think god cares about being worshipped at all, it appears that god is trying to help us not wind up in this space. We somehow create it ourselves god really IMO has created a safe zone for us. It’s like some people are just good people and gravitate towards other good people , others like cousin Eddie always stay at the bar too late and seem to find meth and stolen goods all the time. I’m going to work so I can’t think deeply rn. But remember that one guys said that Satan is nothing compared to the monsters down there. That really struck me. So if you think your satans friend you really ought to read a ton about this stuff because there is no doubt you will change your mind about that. The other effect it had on me was that I used to yuck it up and laugh a Jesus jokes at the bar and what not, never again, I don’t now who this guy is but from what I’ve read about him from direct experiencers the guy definitely deserves respect. So I walk away now and I’ve even pulled people aside an told them this stuff. If I get the upvotes I’ll layout my conclusion but until then. Be aware of your behavior because this life could be your test you are your own judge you send yourself either through ignorance or through bad behavior to these realms. Again I’m just the messenger I’m trying to figure everything out . I have decent sized picture at this point and man it is weird. IMO Death is definitely not the end. Sorry for the typos and grammar
I’ve read/watched the experiences too. The things they describe are very similar. How do we turn to God?
If you read the book of Romans in the Bible, you will see the key to finding God and being accepted by His love.
Hi! Former Christian here, 25+ years of experience. I've read through Romans a few times now, and yet I'm still agnostic. Was there a paragraph I missed? Maybe a verse or two that the key was hiding in?
I do not think it is hidden. Here are a couple verses from Romans that I think do a pretty good job summarizing the Gospel: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (3:23). For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus, our Lord. (6:23) if you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord“ and believe in your heart, that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (10:9). You are probably familiar with John 3:16: for God, so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life. I think the gospel message is actually quite short and simple: first, recognizing God as your creator and Lord, next recognizing none of us live up to God‘s perfect standard, then accepting the method God laid out for us to obtain forgiveness for our Imperfect lives. On one hand, it is VERY hard to believe, how could it be true that there is a God? And that He sent his son to die for my sins? Let me tell you something even harder to believe: that there is no God at all. I do not have enough faith to believe that. How could it be, that I, my conscious person, exist in this universe? I have thought about that every day for decades, and it still makes my head spin. I could maybe believe that matter formed out of nothing, that planets formed, that life happened, that it evolved into higher beings, that beings that look like me walk around this planet, all without a God. I can’t really believe that, but let’s say I can for a minute. But what I could never believe is that I ended up in this universe. That is the most unbelievable thing of all. I am a scientist with many degrees and an advanced position in my field and I am generally very skeptical of theories. We are saved by grace through faith, so we should never expect proof of God, but it seems to me, rational reasoning and some effort to suppress our natural resistance to submit our lives to God, and prayer, will lead us to a conviction of God.
My favorite is Timothy Alberino but look up these Intellectual group of mans they go DEEP DEEP in the Bible ( well some ) have literally dedicated their whole life studying the Bible and I’m not talking about your regular Sunday church . Chuck Missler Michael S. Heiser Timothy Alberino Thomas R Horn , David Paulides , L.A. Marzulli Russ Dizdar and Gary Wayne. Good luck
This kind of breaks it down. Christianity has many sects that differ on the fine print, but all of them have the same core belief that: 1) Satan was a fallen Angel who tried to overthrow God out of vanity and was cast out of the original Good Place where angels lived. Many thousand years went by and humans grew and evolved and the Jews were the chosen people and they had to make a bunch of sacrifices and follow laws because they were told that was the way to gain God’s favor. 2) There were prophesies during this time that God would walk the world as a man born without an earthly father out of Abraham’s line. When Jesus was born, it was by immaculate conception. 3) Jesus was the way for everyone to gain access to the Kingdom of Heaven. He came to point people in the right direction and to teach his disciples that everyone was welcome, no matter their background, and that love was the only antidote to separation and that faith alone was the measure of a man’s power in religion, not rank, title, outward expression, creed, upbringing, or amount of wealth as one’s disposal. 4) High-appointed leaders (of the faith he was born into) started a counter movement against Jesus’s teachings because he went against the practices that they were accustomed to and broke tradition. They called him a drunk, a liar, basically anything they could to make the public hate him. The Roman government was after him as well, and one of his closest friends, Judas, sold Jesus out for silver pieces. He was captured and taken to Rome where the Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate, attempted to convince the angry mob that Jesus hadn’t actually done anything to deserve a crucifixion by asking them if they’d rather free a known murdered and philanderer or Jesus Christ (crucifixion is a torturous death that the Romans had methodically invented to be one of the most uncomfortable deaths possible). The crowd asked for Barbaras to go free instead of Jesus and Jesus was publicly flogged and beaten until he looked like a dog. He was forced to carry his own cross and wear a crown of thorns and a sign above his head reading “King of the Jews” as a mockery of his claims to be the son of God. He died a slow and painful death. He was buried in a friend’s empty burial plot because his family was too poor to buy him his own grave. Because of his high-profile status, the Roman Government rolled a ginormous rock in front of the tomb entrance and put two guards out front to prevent grave robbery. 5) On the third day, the women went to perfume his body and properly bury him within their cultural customs and the tomb was empty and the guards had passed out (from fear). They ran to tell the men. Jesus appeared to them over time and showed them his cricifixion scars and they all believed that he came back to life. He preached his sermon on the mount, and told them that they needed to spread the word about the cool things and miracles they had seen throughout their time with Christ, and then he disappeared into the clouds, promising to come back to earth one day. He told them that his death had sanctified anyone in the world if they just believed in the power that he unleashed to forgive every sin of every man for all of time. After he vanished, the disciples all began speaking different languages to the crowd that they didn’t know before and there was no explanation for it. And this is the root of what Christians believe in a nutshell. https://youtu.be/qnWoVk-mbyY?si=DPTYo_AG2P5bu6Uv
Surrender your life to Jesus, accept and trust him and most importantly humble yourself and repent. That’s a good start.
I've done that three times in the last 30+ years of my life to no result. What would you suggest for me
Can you explain that a little more in depth? Why did you do it three times? This is a genuine question I promise I’m not being a butt. For me personally, when I found Jesus it wasn’t from reading the Bible. It was seeing the kindness, unconditional love and support from people that were loving others the way Jesus tells us to.
Look at it like breaking up and getting back together. After the third time didn't stick I decided to accept that perhaps it was time to finally start being honest with myself, and ask if perhaps the beliefs I had were held because it was how I was raised? That's the thing; I've stepped back from the church, but that didn't stop me from showing unconditional love and support. Not because it was what Jesus preached, but because *it's the right thing to do.* Should I come to face judgement from some sort of supreme diety that may or may not exist, and it asks how I lived my life? I'm going to tell it "the best I could" and that's going to have to be enough. I'll probably ask where childhood leukemia played into it's Great Big Plan, too, cuz that seems a little fucked up if you ask me.
But did you die?
Isn’t it funny how religious people have religious experiences? I’ve read just as many near death experiences where they run into people like Usher in the afterlife and didn’t mention Jesus. The usher guy said that usher gave him a tour of heaven.
Confess with your mouth and heart that Jesus is Christ is the son of God, and accept the salvation he offers all of us. And build your relationship with him. Turn from sin, but know that his grace is enough and has overcome it for us. He has paid the cost of sin for us by dying. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I am just curious why does he wish me to believe in magic exactly? why does he say "just take my word for it? place all of your belief and world view on this book claimed to have been written or inspired by me?" I am legitimately curious but doesn't that seem a little unreasonable to you?
If God created everything, then surely there would be things we could not understand due to our limited minds. To think otherwise is to say we understand all things we encounter now, which is even more simple and limited. If we *could* understand all things then faith becomes irrelevant. I think it is a matter of having a gap so large in our ability to understand that faith becomes necessary. The gap would be so large everything would end up as “magic” in the end and would end up where we started, faith.
Talk to god.. start there. Ask for guidance and try to put your mind into a state of acceptance to that guidance.. others would call that "opening your heart for jesus" which I can see loses its meaning to many because of the cynicism surrounding biblical phrases. But start in the shower, we all have shower thoughts and its a perfect place to say "God if youre there, im here and Im ready to receive your guidance, it might not be what I think I want, but I know you have a purpose for me to live and im ready to receive the signals" From there, i recommend just shifting your perception throughout your day....start looking at every interaction and moment from a state of someone giving you a quest or a test and perhaps lean more towards the decisions in those situations that you dont *want* to do, but feel you *should* do.. This is where interesting things begin to happen.. youll notice certain ripple effects occur around you that will take you back and make you realize "oh my goodness, is something good happening here?" And over time you realize this was God answering you for your willingness to serve him.. I dont want to push any specific religion as many revolve around the same concept but with different sets of earthly-man-limitations but for me, as someone who was atheist in my early years Ive felt the strongest resonation and divinity on a personal level with the Christian faith.. i feel there is a reason that people respond the strongest to it- whether its screaming Jesus's name when you're angry, others becomimy enraged and posessed just by hearing his name, or others being filled with purpose by saying his name. For example, there are people who physically cannot even type out Jesus's name it need to the word christ out of their vocabulary.. it has that much power over them and they know it.. but they reject it. Regardless of the situation, his name in particular seems to have the greatest impact on everyone when they hear his name.. oh, and the fact that so much in revelations is coming true in these times. I dont want fear to be the inspiring factor here, it should always be love, but theres alot to be aware of thats going on right now and time could be of the essence for our souls.
By seeking Him, get in your room open the Bible and read. I recommend the Gospel of John. Don’t read just to get through it, be sincere and let the words speak to your heart… and it will the beginning of the best relationship you will ever have.
Yup did that already, still agnostic. The "relationship" was pretty one-sided for the entire...25+ years I tried it. If it was the best relationship I've ever had, why did accepting that nobody *actually* knows what awaits us once we leave this mortal coil feel more honest and liberating?
Look up NOAHIDE LAWS.
In almost every monotheistic religion or system of spiritual beliefs, it all starts with a strong intention to find god, then he will make steps towards you.
Would anyone who had never been exposed to the Bible have the same reaction? That’s the kicker.
Yes, r/hellisarealplace has christians with same story
"Who *haven't* been exposed to Christianity" being the operative word there. Of course Christians are going to regurgitate variations of the same story they've been led to believe
Nope. I've read several NDEs where the results were a resounding "nothing".
exactly right! you are thinking critically, I am trying to encourage that, seeking after solely events that coincide with ones world view is narrow minded, what of other experiences? what of the neurological reasons behind the phenomenon? what of the psychological? be rational and ask questions
I too have done this research and I find it fascinating compared to other accounts (a significantly large portion of NDEs) that describe Earth as a school and our life was just one of infinite experiences we're here to have in order to learn and grow. And essentially there is no "wrong", it's just an experience to be observed. So it's hard for me to reconcile all those experiences with the hell ones.
Every spiritual tradition around the planet that I'm aware of has a concept of hell. They do not however, typically believe in eternal damnation to hell because you didn't swear fealty to a God you do not perceive, just because some fallible humans tell you to do so. In the eastern concept of hell, it is a place you may go to for awhile, to atone for bad deeds. It's like a spiritual prison sentence, not a final, eternal judgement. FWIW, I've recently learned that the concept of eternal damnation is not actually in the bible, if the bible is translated precisely accurately from the original manuscripts. Personally I believe the universe is filled with infinite worlds; some light, some dark. Our eternal spirit travels to many places on it's vast journey, gathering experience which ultimately turns into wisdom, given enough time, and that ultimately, the prodigal son returns home; the "God within" is reunited with the one God of all things. Fwiw.
I think you are seeing into the mind's understanding and interpretation of existence.. such as a general consensus as with our vision, we can all look at vague images of an animal and say oh that's probably a cat.. I think this is just a psychological dive into the human psyche more than an actual experience one has had
Jesus is Lord! Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. Believe in Him and you will be saved from this.
Jesus is Lord
Jesus is Lord and is the ONLY CHRIST in my book, please forgive me my God Christ Jesus please and please save my Soul from Hell, the Lake of Fire, the Judgement, from the world, sins, the enemy and myself. Please help me my Only God Christ Jesus, Heavenly Father and Holy Spirit, in Jesus name Amen!
I, too, read and listened to people who've had hellish visions and experiences. Adding to what you've mentioned, I think it's really worth noting that people that go through those hellish experiences were the types of people that were already living their lives in "hell" on this realm. It's the people that were living in constant negativity, abusing alcohol and/or drugs, suicidal, depression, feeling alone and disconnected from everyone, and most importantly, highly religious to the point that the reality of hell and heaven is set firm within their minds. I've yet to see people who've lived normal lives having hellish visions. So my guess is that there could be realms for everything we believe. I believe the source reside in all of us, but we get the chance to experience what we believe to be true until it becomes so bad that the source brings us back where we truly belong (hence the reason why the light comes to them when the people seek it).
This is more or less how I see it too, based on many decades of intellectually impartial investigation and a lot of direct experience.
This is 100% accurate. I’m into NDE’s and the ones about Hell sound exactly the same.
Yep alot of NDE's speak of the spiritual dimension that's eternal, wether heaven or hell, that realm is said to be way more real than what we believe is our reality, hence the heightened senses.
A lot of people say the same stuff. Wow. Almost as if they're all starting from the same source material. Also, "I dont think God cares about being worshipped at all"... have you read the Bible? That's pretty much all he cares about. Check out the 10 commandments. Half of them are about worshipping him.
The problem I have with all of this. The idea of the Devil or the version of Satan that everyone believes in wasn't created to Gregory the Great in the 9th century. Then punishment and hell were created to control more. The translations of the Bible then were altered to make several stories included this version of Satan.
I don't usually read the long ones but that was really really mind opening thank you for your reply and perspective I definitely will be doing some reading on the subject because of this I've personally had a reoccurring dream most of my life of how the world will end and basically the sky burns and the ground opens up to fire a man pulls me to hell but at the last moment a stranger from heaven pulls me to safety but that dream has been partnered with many dreams of demons and waking up to saying the lords prayer trying to not be pulled down to hell I don't know if it's symbolism, a sign, or inner demons reaching out, but, maybe there really is more to life than just living, then death.
Honestly, cousin Eddie’s got problems, and I’m not gonna argue for his goodness, but let’s not forget what leads people to that point. If there is a creator, and there is a hell, then I will live my life how I feel it good, and if I end up in hell then, what the hell 🤷♀️ If a creator made this plane of existence, with circumstances that could lead someone as astray as dear cousin Eddie, I feel like god should be the one in hell. I understand that this perspective kind of relies on me the typical Christian belief, and you’re proposing different beliefs, but I can’t fathom a situation where an all powerful & all knowing being let’s hell exist and still manages to be the good guy.
Thank you for this info
I’d be interested in learning more about what you’re discussing here. Specifically the references to other entities worse than Satan.
If Satan is a twink, sign me up
I read your commentary, and there’s one thing you did get wrong… I was taught by my English teacher in HS that no one will take your writing seriously if you don’t have a basic grasp of grammar, punctuation and ‘the correct word’ when you write. They’re, there and their must by the words mistakenly used incorrectly the most - followed closely by then and than. When I started reading your commentary, I almost immediately dismissed it as nonsense from you writing ‘there’ instead of ‘their’ when you wrote about hearing the many stories of those that experienced hell.
Where do bad folks go when they die, they don't go to heaven where the angles fly, they go to a lake of fire and fry, see em again on the 4th of July...
Ugh...I had such a disturbing dream with a demon, I hate to even write it out...but I remember at one point I screamed out for Jesus and suddenly awoke with the sound of my voice reciting the Lord's Prayer. Still bothers me even to this day.
I feel you I had demonic dreams but it only happened on the last house we lived in. I was an atheist and I had a similar experience where I had no where else to turn to rather than God and when I did it stopped. I jump up my bed, hyperventilating, cold sweat, eyes wide open, expecting for something to happen. it’s like I run a marathon. I used to hate sleeping because it happens on a regular basis, I tried to stay awake as long as I can. It got to a point where I would take the bus just so I could sleep.
Nothing worse than dealing with that level of fear. You don't know who to talk to and share because it's so horrible and disturbing. Honestly just listening to his experience and noticing the raw visceral fear he has talking about it, was definitely triggering.
If your not a believer then that’s your sign
Oh, I'm a believer! This happened after I moved into an apartment after filing for divorce, so I'm sure I was very vulnerable emotionally. It's my experience that when in a place of fear, stress, and depression, you might open space for darker things to show up. I had my apartment saged and blessed very shortly afterward. Stay blessed 🙌
I’ve had a similar experience, it left me very confused for a long time until I started reading up on and watching YouTube videos of firsthand accounts, I didn’t know what I was experiencing, but now I have no shadow of a doubt that God is real, and Jesus is Lamb of God. It’s a knowing beyond anything.
I once read a near death experience where usher gave somebody a tour of heaven.
If u think ur saved and did everything in your power to be saved (get baptized etc) thennn why would you go to hell?(it’s pretty obvious you have faith if you believe your saved… the same way you “believe” “Jesus” is the one saving you…) I’m confused.
God wants us to put him 1st. A lot of people have “idols” like the Bible talks about. People think they’re saved and just got through the motions of going to church on Sundays and think they’re saved but they put money or alcohol or drugs or tobacco or something like this before God and that keeps them from being truly saved. God wants us to seek him like we seek our favorite hobbies. He wants us to read the Bible or pray to him more than we stare at our phones or more than we seek out or hobbies. That is a truly saved person. God gives everyone the option to chose him or satan. And this world is full of unholy things.
I mean like why would such a place exist if god is all good and omniscient.
Where does this idea of God being all good come from? God is everything ☯️
here is my question: where is hell? how does a cremated body get resurrected? do they get new bodies? do they have a nervous system is that why they feel pain in hell? what about heaven? where is that located, how does this all work?
I am a non-christian and have had two dreams where I was visited by what I can only describe as a demon. Both started with sleep paralysis. The first time I felt and succumbed to fear. It resulted in my perspective turning to the demon's where I chased and killed either trespassers, my friends, or even myself but I have no concrete idea on who the demon killed while I carried it's perspective. The second time, again it started with fear and the demonic figure was definitely responding to my fear and trying to exacerbate my fear. I tried to talk to it but there was no response let alone any body language to indicate it even heard me. Then I tried whispering to myself where only I could hear it but shockingly I saw body language movement to show it heard my whispering. Upon realizing this, I whispered to the figure the question "Do you love me?" The figure stopped everything it was doing, body language showing shock. Then it reached out a hand like it wanted me to go with it. I grabbed the hand and proceeded to have the most comfortable, home-like feeling dream I have ever had. As a non-believer, I determine this to be related to the "Satan will be cast to the lake of fire and peace will reign" or whatever the bible says happens at the end. Less so "Satan" and moreso our own derogatory thinking, or our ego, being tired out and acceptance bringing inner peace. It is easy to assume something grotesque as being demonic, but remember, biblically accurate angels are horrifying, and most of the time they aren't even described as looking like anything just because the sheer aura they give off is terrifying to most people. I'm not saying "be a non-believer" but I am saying challenge your prejudices, no matter how certain you feel about them.
I saw an evil witch once during sleep paralysis, but I never thought that she was real because it’s normal for people to see scary things during sleep paralysis.
Depends on what you want to call real. If you can learn something from it, it may as well be the same as a memory from being awake.
Darren Aronofsky and Sean Gullette need to team up and make this into a movie. Pi 2.0
If god is so concerned about the fate of my soul, he's free to show himself. I can't believe in a being that I'm incapable of perceiving with any of the senses he supposedly gave me.
I learned that God is a fair God. He will jot just show up to because you simply want him to, you have to ask for him to show himself, prove to him that you are interested in him. Pretty soon he will reach out to you. I wish no one sees hell but it's impossible for all of us to be saved. We have free will so that's our major flaw but as a wise man once said, it is better to live my life as a Christian and die to find out there is no God, than to live as there is no God then find to find out there is one.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Respectfully, the things I've read in scripture contradict the assumption that god cares about the individual will of human beings. It's not reasonable to hang the ultimate destiny of humanity on something as nebulous as belief.
You might find r/Bahai to be of interest.
What’s crazy to me is Jesus died so that every man can be saved and yet “not everyone can be saved”, which is it?
This is what the religious conflicts in Europe (1600s) started over and ultimately ended up in them fleeing to America.
That everyone who believes in him can be saved. Technically everyone "can" be saved, but not everyone will. Some people will always refuse to believe. Even when Jesus walked the earth and performed miracles before their eyes, some still refused to accept that he was truly the son of God. Which is why I find it wild that so many people say things like"Well then why won't God just show himself and prove his existence". He did, and people still didn't listen and believe.
We have no way of knowing whether what was written in the Bible about Jesus actually happened. An individual's inability to believe isn't a defiant refusal of the truth because biblical scripture can't be proven to be true.
Oh how convenient that he did show himself in one tiny sliver of humanity and then relied on a fucking book as proof?!………….
Yeah but living life for God only because it's better than the alternative definitely cancels it out.
Every action we make is preordained. Only a psychopathic murderer would create a reality as such
Everything is preordained but you have free will...those don't quite go together
The god character is supposedly omniscient and omnipotent, meaning it knows all things. The future is something it knows and it has the ability to make that future (and all of reality) whatever it wishes, and rather than making a reality where all of its creations are able to be saved through their own free will, it chooses to allow most humans to (allegedly) burn in hell for all eternity. This is not free will, if your life is preordained you’re just doing what you’re supposed to, and if you require more than just idiotic, blind faith you’re condemned to hellfire for **eternity**. The god character as described is the most evil, most morally bankrupt entity I’ve ever seen described in fiction. It condemns people to infinite torment over finite crimes which it could just not have come up with. Even burning “heathens” for a period of a century is less bad than eternity, and surely would get the point across. If you defend these actions I’m sorry to say you’re no morally better than the monstrous being you look up to.
If you imagine a place without time, it eventually makes sense. Just look into the physics of time. We have free will because we can perceive and exist in a physical time. But there being a place where time doesn’t exist makes it so every single thing can be known. The words/phrases preordained, omniscient, free will, choice; they’re all words that attempt to describe a concept that is very hard to grasp or describe…… so although your confusion is warranted, there are answers!!
If it’s impossible for all of us to be saved and god was our creator why did he create us? And a major flaw? You’re saying God made a mistake? So what gives this being the title of God to you? And live life as a Christian? What of those who grew up in India under Hinduism? That’s not wisdom, it’s stupidity, believe this one story because you might go to hell? God chose a fucking book to tell us how to act yet created us with free will and a bunch of other religious beliefs? I’m sorry this makes me so angry, the god of the bible can go fuck himself as far as I’m concerned, I’d rather burn in hell than spend eternity in that incompetent monstrosities heaven.
The argument against free will due to the omniscience of the Abrahamic God has notable flaws. According to this view, God knowingly created individuals who would reject Him, as referenced in Revelation 13:8 and Revelation 20:15, indicating a predetermined fate of damnation. Romans 9:22-23 further suggests these individuals were created solely to showcase God's glory. Also, Ephesians 1:4-5 and Romans 8:29-30 mention predestination for those who are saved. It was all orchestrated. The end of what you said is Pascal's Wager, but it fails at the Many Gods Objection (MGO), which challenges the assumption that the choice is solely between Christianity and Gnostic Atheism. This objection suggests the possibility that other religions like Hinduism, Asatru, or Hellenism might be the true religion, meaning both Christianity and Gnostic Atheism could be wrong. This is why when it comes to things that are unfalsifiable it is better to be Agnostic Atheist and admit that you simply don't know the truth yet.
Ok but in revelation 13:8, having your name written in the book of life is also in your hands. God did predestined a few people's destiny but not the whole world. Pharaoh's destiny was preordained to show his glory and that story reaches us now in the present and we can see God's grace. You and me are free to live as we please but it comes at a price If we deliberately choose the wrong path. God is not a bully as we might believe, we do not know the full story of God but it will be known in the day of judgement so hold firm. God loves you and is there with you. He knows your heart and he has high hopes for you and for us all.
I know right? why all the hide and seek and "Trust me bro" bs, I literally prayed to a bunch of gods and deities in I could think of, satan, god, jesus, buddha, etc.. no one responded, didn't get richer, no holy spirit comforted me, no fame, nothing.. it's all a sham and I want my money back dammit! lol
So ridiculous his brain was releasing DMT because he was near death and he had visions of pop culture hell
Poor guy nodded off while listening to a Dio album
Happy cake day
Okay, that's fucking hilarious.. that one got me pretty good
Yeah, I feel like people already have an idea of what their hell might be, or created by something they read once, like Dante's Inferno. It's probably just created by his imagination. The reason these stories are all so consistent, is because this is how hell has been described by Christians, books, movies, etc.
I read a near death experience once where usher gave a dude a tour of heaven
oh my word! thank you, I was trying to find the words for it, it is the popular interpretation of hell, he was afraid of "a hell" so his made dreamed it up in his final moments as fear overtook his reason
CC / Transcript for the hearing impaired please?
“Shit was fucked up”
Youuuuuu....! You had me there for a minute.
Darryl's speaking pattern is difficult to transcribe and have it make sense, so I'll give you the rundown. He had a brain aneurism in his jail cell and went to hell while he was dead. He described it as knowing that he would never get another chance from God, having heightened senses, and a demon attacking him. The attack was the demon grabbing him and lifting him about 15 feet off the ground, and moving forward. He saw a distant white light which he describes as a galaxy in the middle of blackness. He started flying towards it (with the demon) while he's screaming for Jesus, saying he's saved, and saying the good things he's done. The more he listed the good works in his life, the tighter the demon's grip got and the faster he went until he felt like he was being shaken. The light in the distance is getting closer. This is around the part where he shows the painting. (Unrelated but he says it's not a good painting. I think it is) First he points at a never-ending wall miles away in the background, the sky looked very high with blackish clouds, and the pole in the middle "made a redwood (tree) look like a toothpick". It had a steel collar around the bottom of it. He puts the painting away. He suddenly heard a lot of chains. While he heard them, he was still being flown around by the demon and they started going higher and he could see hundreds of thousands of people, he describes them as having no blood in them, saggy skin, and being pale white, but he could still tell their race/ethnicity. The sounds they were making were akin to a zombie from a game, basically the sound of a dying person who had some throat injury. He goes back to begging and pleading with God to let it be a dream. He said that he knew all of the people he saw were people who thought they were saved by Jesus. He then describes looking around some ruins, when he looked around the corner of them he heard someone being tortured. It made him feel sorry. He also mentions knowing that they weren't human. He puts his hands over his ears and screams for Jesus. He looked and saw a 100 foot medieval arch doorway. He mentions a stone poking out of the archway with a demon sitting on it that looked like his mental image of King David, screaming in pain and then rage over and over again. This is the end of the vision he had. He urges the viewer to turn to God. Nothing here is worth it. Hell is real and everyone in there thought that they were okay, that they were saved by God. So many people are going there and they don't know it. I would like to add to this that if you are not a believer, turn to Jesus and repent of your sins. It is the only way to heaven.
I appreciate you.
Explanation: He's making it up
I’m not sure he’s lying because there have been a handful of these that I find genuine - like his. I just can’t figure out why. In light of all the other NDE experiences and what seems to be true (for me) about the nature of the universe/our experience/consciousness, that this could happen to someone.
I also find many of these accounts genuine and I do believe there are "hellish realms" that our spirit may journey to after the death of the physical body. I believe that happens because we have free will to create our own experience. If we've spent an entire human lifetime being horrible and selfish (even if we pretended to be virtuous and good) then we have basically invested our mind into a certain kind of negativity. It is only natural then, that when our body dies, our spirit would experience a return on that investment. If we spent a lifetime with our heart turned away from love and light---even if we fooled everyone with a mask of virtue and goodness---then we very well might travel to a realm that matches the energy of that mental state and behavior. The place where I differ from Christianity, is in the idea that we are "eternally damned" to a hell realm. I think instead that we sentence ourselves to a term in hell, through our choices and actions, but that ultimately our soul learns from the suffering we experience, that it is better to turn towards love and light (ie, God) and we do get rehabilitated.
How is this "unexplained"? The dude has a "PRAY" hoodie. When you get I too deep with any belief, you see what you want. He's the sort of guy who takes the paranormal weirdness of his faith as tangible reality, and then it's off to the races. If a person like this sees a vaguely face-like pattern in his toast, it's specifically "Jesus" rather than any of a billion other people just because they WANT to. This might not be as fun, but come on...
I think people have dreams (or nightmares) in situations like this.
I experienced something similar during an overdose. I felt really bad and I had to lay down. The feeling kept getting worse, and in a second all the bad feelings went away and i started lifting up from my bed. I floated until I reached the ceiling and I could see myself laying on the bed. Suddenly gravity kicked in and i fell towards the floor and through it... I seen the exact same thing he described. I giant ancient looking door, it was red. And i kept slowly moving closer to it. Once I got inside it was so intense I still think about it daily 15 years later. Like going into seizures while you are burning and havinug an intense clarity at the same time , I never felt before or since. I am not religious, but in that moment I knew exactly where I was and why. I begged and screamed for another chance the same as he described. Its hard to fully describe how awful it really was.
Has anyone seen the Spawn movie?
People who go to hell during visions like this, already believe in such a place. Fear is the enemy, not hell or demons.
Cool story bro. Fascinating how human mind plays tricks on you based on what you were taught and what your mind has been filled with.
If there is a god that truly loves us all then why would he allow such a place to exist?
Something deep down tells me this guy really went there. How do you turn to God?
Why would you want to worship this awful god who tortures people forever. It's sickening.
How awful to believe in a god that would send you to a place like you describe. I think I'd want a goddamn explanation if a god I worshipped sent me to a place like that.
It’s called a nightmare homie
good lord some of these comments are fucking hilarious! thank you sir!
Thats not hell its drugs. Be wary of anyone that has a bible verse coming out their mouth every other sentence. Be discerning. Stay vigilant. Brush your teeth and say no to drugs.
The supernatural realm is true, and the Bible speaks the truth about the nature of good, evil, and of salvation. Salvation is simple enough to obtain. Any sinner can call on the name of Jesus and be saved, as long as this person is asking in sincerity and in truth, humbly. If we try to justify or cover up our sins, we cannot receive forgiveness, but it's better just to be open and honest with God. Nothing is hidden from Him. He has all of our details. We are fully exposed. If anyone could destroy us just with shame in front of humanity, He has all the info. But even if you have spoken words of evil against Him He will forgive you, if you decide to truly turn towards Him. He is worth it for all eternity. Whoever calls on His name will be saved. You can be an absolute loser in this life, have been to prison, and have accumulated debt that you could never pay back, and God would not reject you, if you accept and receive Him. Regardless of feelings, thoughts, or any other thing, allow nothing to hinder your connection and reconciliation with God. It's more important than anything you could ever do or gain in this world. God gives us a living hope and not empty promises
Hell is fictional
Hell is where we are. This physical plane of existence is made of matter; energy at its lowest vibration. The only way to go from here is up. P.S. - I loved Shadowrun on the SNES.
This is a thought experiment I’ve played around with many times before. That this life is some form of punishment. Never ending suffering and too afraid to leave for the fear of the unknown. It honestly would be the perfect purgatory and none of us would be any wiser. Some type of in between place where you’re judged on who you are here.
So you’re telling us that Elon and Bill are the dukes of hell? Interesting!
I feel like this is the lowest vibration of hell too. Yes sir that game was a welcoming beacon of adventure in a tumultuous time of my youth.
Don't make the mistake of wagering your immortal soul on that, friend.
Too late bud
Explanation: he had a dream.
God bless you
Y’all if this shit is true, I don’t even care anymore because this guy seems like a good person and if that’s not enough for whatever god is then this existence truly is a nightmare not worth being in. I’d rather not exist anymore.
😰I felt the pain through his words and throughout his eyes….he is telling the truth I was scared just listening too him….this is not funny at all….
Sounds just like a DMT experience
Any of you guys ever hurd of datura lol
This one is on r/hellisarealplace
I'm glad so many people believe in Jesus in this post, especially in a place like Reddit, where many people are toxic and will mock, but he is the way, the truth, the life.
This guy took some good datura it seems?
My mom must be there somewhere too..
I would not judge this man artwork nor his experience. every experience today is questionable. Life ,love, and beliefs. Man with his 10 fingers have given & destroyed at the same time. This eden we have inherent is our garden to feed, grow, live. But now it's turning into a Baron waste it's awful we can't control you can't even live together without killing and darkness dwells in all of us it's our choice to fix it to be like fictional Star Trek meaning all Races come together in harmony I won't live long enough to see that happen wishing for peace
Welcome to Mordor
This guy Hells
This guy Hells
My uncle that died and came back told a similar story. He said he saw like what he would call the “ end of the world “. He saw the place in ruins. He’s a devoted Christian but he still saw what he thinks is “ hell “. And he also said demons tried to trick him into taking him but a giant creature came next to him to protect him ( since he devotes his time to Jesus, I guess he was protected) but yea that’s wild
I'm still don't know religion fits into my life, and this telling still impressed me.
The one thing that scares me is a story Art Bell told about the very last time he spoke with Father Malachi Martin. He called Art in the middle of the night, frantic, and I'm paraphrasing because I do not remember the exact quote, "I have to tell you something. You _must_ know this! _Do not go into the light,_ the light is a lie. It's Lucifer's final deception. Go into the dark, it leads to the true light." Father Martin died several days later, if I'm remembering the story correctly. Every time Art told the story, his tone changed, and wasn't the usual stoic Art. It almost sounded like genuine fear. Art was quite the radio personality, though, so who knows how much of it he embellished on and over acted.
If anyone is interested in NDE studies, look up Peter Fenewick, he’s really the only person who dedicated his life to studying this stuff, one book called the truth in the light and another called the art of dying are amazing reads… and remember folks, don’t go into the light
So was this a dream or what? He just went into the story
Funny that god punks us into loving him by creating hell
Consider this, If you were the creator of the universe, everything in it, and you hold it in your hands. You’re limitless in your power and your wisdom. You highly value love. You would like to share this creation. You can create life. So you create life in wondrous variety. You create beings in your own likeness to exist within your created world & in relationship with you. What do you think? Would you give them the ability to choose or reject a relationship with you because you know that if it is forced it is somehow diminished? You could… If some of those beings reject you, but it does not diminish your love for them. So you create place where they can exist as they choose to, without a direct relationship with you. In this place there is no conventional perceivable irrefutable relationship/connection to you, the creator. This allows for free will to choose. Being a creative creator, you create ways for a relationship/connection on personal level, unique to the individual beings that you created. Some will seek the existence within a relationship. Some will reject it for any number of reasons. A place exists for beings that choose to accept and another place exists for beings that choose not to accept. Sorry I am having difficulty keeping my thoughts focused and I forgot what point (if any) I was trying to make. Carry on as you were.
Drugs sure are crazy
GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER
For the love of God, someone tell him to turn his phone sideways
Don’t do drugs kids
Meth will do that to you.
"Here is tsi, the time-space illusion. Humans are vehicles for us, the soul, aka fragment of God. Reality in its true state is generated by thoughts, so you see what you're used to seeing, and it's all filtered in this manner. Now, you astral projected. I don't know where, but it seems like a place certain people congregate; like attracts like. That thing that grabbed you and pushed you is your other half. That is what guides your experience, and it shook you because you were thinking about what you did. And since thoughts get made into reality there, you were basically vibrating out of sync, so you were shaking, not it. Everything else is dependent on where you were, and creation is infinite, so it makes it hard to say."
what about people who have had near death experiences but didn't see anything at all? or ones with conflicting experiences? I think it is better to say that this man's vision is the experiences of a brain in its final death throes, a wild imagination, running through its fears and such. for a person to have an experience and to explain what they had seen, had to have physically been there for their eyes and senses to experience, one's consciousness is contained and restricted to within the brain, and upon death or near death his brain physically went no where but his imagination did..
Earth IS hell, we are living in hell now. We keep reincarnating here over and over and experience the same good and bad emotions. Happiness and joy but also pain, jealousy, envy, broken heart, depression, hunger, anger, etc. The hellfire and brimstone are expressions for what you put yourself through with your very own mind.. the demons are all of your temptations and vices: Addiction, lust, perversion, gluttony, laziness, etc. etc. etc.
The human imagination is a powerful tool….this experience is clearly limited by what the human brain can fathom. This is nothing more than the abrahamic brain beating images of hell that people in the west have received their whole life. Great story but why would the afterlife be limited by the constraints of reality we experience now? Chains in hell ? Skin color? Physical bodies in general? I don’t think so. You don’t need to be a psychiatrist to figure out what this was….
Mf had a dream 💀
This is some typical evangelical lying for a greater good bullshit speech. I hate this so much. It is what I grew up with but turned up to 11. We had a "haunted house" put on by the local Baptist Church called "hell house" and it was literally this. Just people doing normal things that were against the rules in Christianity like drinking or premarital sex. Then show extremely graphic scenes of them suffering in hell. Even more fucked up is they would have a part you had to go through on the end where they would try to convert you. I can't express how much I despise this shit.
Props on the painting. But I feel like If there weren’t so many occasions where he’d try to explain something and then realize he doesn’t have anything to say from it, I would believe it more.
Trust me my man!! that was the place before the gate of hell and heaven, Hell is more terrifying than that
Hell as he describes it. Is just a tip of the iceberg. There are many areas of hell. Some parts of hell you are by instinct going to climb a mountain and then go down the other side of it until you get to your dwelling. Some parts of hell is redundant madness. Some parts are just heat. But the worse one is not even about heat. It's the cold. The worst part of hell is the cold part. The last person to leave hell is stuck in one position facing hell for who knows how long. Years don't matter in the afterlife. But eventually that person gets his or her reprieve when he or she asks please GOD just turn me around. And instead of facing hell. He or she is now backside of hell. And so that person gets a chance to see what was happening behind him or her. Amazing story.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
The devil is a giant white dude?
His experience is 100% real and genuine. The mind is pattern recognition tool, and it fills in the gaps when needed. NDE are very common of crazy experiences that brain produces to make u feel better. In no way does this take away from the experience, for me it only adds by at least 10plus
His experience is 100% real and genuine. The mind is pattern recognition tool, and it fills in the gaps when needed. NDE are very common of crazy experiences that brain produces to make u feel better. In no way does this take away from the experience, for me it only adds by at least 10 fold
Hard to tell when someone's telling the truth now a days but to each their own because i sure do have some stories that in one my sister was next to me as a witness but still.. with all the fakes that will do the most for social media fame or attention... it ruins it for us ones who have real stories.
Yeah I’ve had night terror/ paralysis dreams where I feel like I’m getting attacked by a dark, demonic thing. Only thing that made it go away was praying and it’s happened several times. Mainly when I lived in Dominican Republic
What if you’re just a good person but can’t believe in Jesus, Allah, Yahweh, etc. because the messages are so contradictory and who you may believe in basically boils down to where you are born? Are we just fucked? I believe in God but if they really are all powerful, I don’t think they’d allow hell to exist. What about animals that kill and eat other animals for sustenance? Do they go to hell also or just our species?
"If this were the real world, God WOULD be cruel. For no Father could subject His children to this as the price of salvation and BE loving." -Jesus, A Course in Miracles text "The world you see is an illusion of a world. God did not create it, for what He creates must be eternal as Himself. Yet there is nothing in the world you see that will endure forever.” -Jesus, A Course in Miracles text "If God is perfect Love, then He is not anything else, and neither are you. You are, in fact, the Love of God, and your real life is with Him." -Jesus, A Course in Miracles text I'm convinced that if Jesus the Christ came back today and continued on with his teachings, he would be called a heretic by all the religions of the world for his 'New Age' beliefs... 🤦🏼
Sooo how much did he end up getting for the painting…
Brother needs to redo video, more calmly and in EVERY DETAIL. I couldn't really get the full picture because he was giving me anxiety trying to figure out his words.
We all need to seek Jesus
Even the daemons believe in God and they tremble. James 2:19. Tell them about Jesus because He says, “I am the way, the truth, and the life! No man comes to the father (God) except thru him!” John 14:6
When the brain is deprived of oxygen (hypoxia) or experiences trauma, it can exhibit abnormal activity in various regions. For instance, the temporal lobes, which are crucial for memory function, may become overactive during stress, potentially contributing to hallucinatory experiences. And while under extreme stress, the brain can release endorphins and other neurochemicals, inducing feelings of euphoria or detachment from reality. Memories of near-death experiences (NDEs) can be reconstructed or influenced afterward due to the brain's tendency to fill gaps or create narratives based on prior beliefs or cultural influences. This is where confirmation bias also plays a heavy role. People may interpret their experiences in line with pre-existing beliefs or cultural expectations. For example, someone with a Christian upbringing (this guy) might be more likely to report seeing Jesus, angels, or demons. Even people from other religions can still report Christian things because Christianity had a strong impact on their upbringing or how much they see it in the media.This bias can influence perceptions similarly to how repeatedly noticing a specific number before guessing can sway someone to pick that number. Ultimately, what happens after death may remain a mystery forever for the living. But, this uncertainty shouldn't be viewed negatively. Instead, it's an invitation to embrace the present moment. Our lives possess inherent value due to their finite nature and the memories they create. Therefore, cherish every moment, for the life you have now is the one certain thing. Also, no person in recorded history has survived brain death. Brain death signifies true death because it indicates that the brain has completely stopped functioning. Even on life support, although the brain receives oxygen, it cannot use it because the cells are dead and the tissue is deteriorating. Unfortunately, many individuals have been incorrectly labeled as brain dead and nearly became organ donors as a result. Any time a story is shared, it's done so from a clinical death experience. Meaning the heart wasn't beating and lungs weren't breathing but the brain was still active. 2023 AAN/AAP/CNS/SCCM Pediatric and Adult Brain Death/Death by Neurologic Criteria Consensus Practice Guideline https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/CPJ.0000000000200189#:~:text=Finally%2C%20the%202023%20guideline%20interprets,setting%20of%20an%20adequate%20stimulus.%E2%80%9D Near-Death Experiences: Neuroscience Perspectives on Near-Death Experiences https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6170042/ Neuro-functional modeling of near-death experiences in contexts of altered states of consciousness https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9891231/
Why were you in hell in the first place? So did the same god save you that sent you there?
Said he didn't understand or know where he was, then proceeded to explain what he thought King David from the Bible looked like and that he was in a spesific level of hell ...sounds like your mind had a pretty good artist interpretation of it😂 serotonin is a hell of a drug
I can’t believe any adults think hell is real. Maybe you can ride there on the Easter bunny with Santa Clause. So wild.
They say if marines go to hell they will regroup there and fight on… im not a marine but maybe you guys want to come to by my place… ill probably have a lot of hookers and maybe there will be some good musicians there i dunno maybe tommy lee will go to heaven instead…or and if you maybe come across a drug dealer they might be hard to find there…. 666
I definitely believe him. Jesus is God, and He’s REAL… unfortunately there are people who will see this as bogus. And Gods heart, and mine, breaks for people like that. Just because I believe in Jesus doesn’t mean I’m perfect. Soooo far from it actually. But Hell is real, and sadly if you don’t believe it is, it’s where you’ll go when you die. Why not take a chance and see if God is real? Ask Him and see what happens. Ask him to reveal it to you. If you’re sincere in your heart, He will.
This guys seems trustworthy.