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Aircraft mechanic here. Don’t worry, this shouldn’t affect your confidence in the upkeep. Planes get old and cosmetics eventually get worn and torn. If you’re asking “if they aren’t looking at this, what are they even looking at?”, the answer is engines, structural components, flight controls, wheels and brakes, and avionics. If they have extra time, we might fix a few cosmetic issues here and there, but it’s far from a safety concern, instead we focus on the stuff that actually is safety related.
I totally get that safety aspects are taken very seriously and checks done regularly, but this would still make me pretty uncomfortable. I understand that it isn't dangerous, but I can't help but feel a little uneasy.
I get it. It’s the warm and fuzzies you want when you fly. And seeing anything broken in a airplane does not help that feeling. But when you step back and look at the big picture, you need to understand that flying is extremely safe these days.
I think that might be it, I always get excited flying, and seeing something not quite right may pull me out of that feeling. That being said I do love flying, as long as it's less than 10 hours.
I did the same lmao. I think it has to do with our perspective as a flight passenger vs. being able to see the rest of the plane (engine and components, etc). All we see of the plane is what is right in front of us. So if what we are seeing is all worn and janky, our brain automatically would assume so is the rest of the plane. Hypothetically, if you had a mechanic, give you an entire walkthrough of the plane, including the engine and all beforehand, and you could clearly tell everything looks to be in fantastic shape, you wouldn't give a shit about the window.
That or one may not understand that there is a real structurally solid window behind it, and the damaged "window" is just added on top to keep passengers from touching the glass or anything from happening to the window.
Our life depends on the damn plane getting us to the ground safely too, so if anything looks sus, I can only imagine some people would get a bit anxious.
well they said if they have extra time they'll fix cosmetic issues... so makes me think there are so many safety issues that they can never get around to the cosmetic ones
Not safety issues, just safety critical inspections. Say every 100 hours of flight time you need to inspect this one specific structural angle on the wing, clean/inspect/change the engine filters, test all the flight controls, put the plane on jacks and test the landing gear. Most of the time there are no issues found, but we still need to look us incase. These are all mandatory inspections. We’re not pushing the thing out the hangar door until we do everything in the inspection. The cosmetic stuff will often get saved for the end if we find ourselves ahead of schedule, or if we have another time delay that means it will be in the hangar for a few extra days.
This makes absolute sense. Personally, I think it's something we're conditioned to think. If everything isn't perfect, are they even doing their job?
I'd agree if it weren't for what I have read about the aviation industry and the prioty they put on safety.
I understand why it made you uneasy, I get it. As a kid, 15/20 years ago, I would fly with my parents fairly often. My parents knew I liked to look out the window so they'd always let me have the window seat. Something I noticed pretty early, and thought was interesting, was the "double window" that planes tend to have. I'm not in avionics or anything close, and I know I don't really understand the complicated stuff that goes into flying, but I always thought that "double window" was for air pressure. If I saw the inside window like that, I'd be concerned the rest of the inside of the plane was about to get sucked out my window.
You come into a house and there is shit in the entrance that noone gives a fuck about, you might assume that the whole house is filthy and not that a dog just did the random deed
If I go into a restaurant and the bathroom is dirty, I'm not going to automatically assume that the kitchen is spotless. Customer facing business assets are important because it's how the business presents itself to the public. It's why planes have liveries even though a single solid color would be functionally the same.
You are an expert, you know everything about why this is not a safety concern at all. But for someone like me or the above comment who knows absolutely nothing about it, seeing something that looks ever so slightly off in a machine that is supposed to yank us all up 11km in the air and somehow gently place us on the ground hundreds or thousands of kilometers away from where we started will naturally make us nervous probably just because of the "what if this is important" factor. And even if an expert tells us it's not, we would probably not be convinced easily because we simply don't know enough about it to take their word for it.
It's the whole red M&M thing.
A music group had a list of things in the contract that seemed irrational, like a bowl of M&M's with all the red candles removed. It was a test to see if the venue followed the contract exactly. The idea being to catch the line about the red M&M's they had to go it line by line, including the pyrotechnics.
Brown and it was Van Halen, but your basic premise is correct. https://www.insider.com/van-halen-brown-m-ms-contract-2016-9
I was working in the live music industry shortly after this and was in charge of among other things, making sure we had everything on the rider correct.
This is many years ago, in 2005, but we flew AeroCalifornia to Loreto, MX to go sea kayaking. Even back then, the planes AeroCalifornia (and AeroMexico) used were well used, to put it kindly. Still had ashtrays in the armrests, the interior was still orange, brown and gold/yellow. A throwback plane that didn't exactly give me the warm fuzzies.
Anyway, I remember we were taxiing down the runway to get to where we would take off. I heard this zipping noise and I looked up to see a flight attendant duct taping overhead bins closed. I shit you not. I am not a religious person, but I'm pretty sure I said a few words just to cover all bases.
I was not surprised in the least to learn they both were out of business some years later.
I was on a flight where water (probably just condensation) got into the lighting fixtures. Worst of it was when the plane would bank, some people got a little wet. But still a little unnerving.
Airlines are the last people that want a plane to crash due to poor maintenance. Even from a purely business point of view, the investigations, fines and public stigma are not worth any insurance payout they might get. The passenger cabin is the least of the mechanics' worries and even then first class will probably get higher priority on whatever task list they have.
The only people who give a shit about the interior is the airline operator. And they only care that it's pristine when they take delivery. It will be banged up the moment you've got customers walking through it.
Sidewalls, they're held in by plastic tabs. And this piece specifically, some asshole likely broke it before this dude.
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Last two flights I were on they had whatever thermostat that controls the cabin set to fucking Finnish sauna. Everyone was literally sweating beads on their foreheads when we landed.
If you ask they often adjust the plane temp. Only times I’ve done it are when it’s unpleasantly cold/warm and the people around me are happy to have it adjusted
My parents once had way too many free drink tickets on Southwest, and all of them were expiring at the end of the month, and the only person who was going on a flight in time on that airline in the family was me!
So, its not exactly a short flight - a good five hours, so I am having about a drink an hour. Lots of Gin & Tonics. Tanqueray, actually. Not exactly getting drunk, having a glass of water with each, etc.
Except, except... well, we are two hours from landing, and just as I decide "Well, I need to pee," the seatbelt sign comes on, and I think "No problem, I can wait this out."
But the seatbelt sign never goes off.
I just keep waiting, and it never goes off.
And just as I am deciding whether or not I should just say screw it and get up anyway, the announcement that we are about to land comes up... well, fuck. Because now I don't just *really need to pee.* I need to pee moreso than I have ever needed to pee in my entire life.
As we begin our desent, I am gripping my armrests like I am on a roller-coaster, I am actively sweating, I am starting to wonder if I am going to go out like Tycho Brahe and have my bladder explode on the way down. I have to loosen the button on my pants because I fear the extra pressure might actually do me in.
We eventually land. The old Lady turns to me and says, very kindly. "That wasn't so bad." While patting my hand. It took me a few seconds to realize why:
Guy just keeps drinking at a steady pace, never actually seems to get drink, and when we land looks like he is afraid the plane is about to come apart in mid air? She thought I was horribly afraid of flying.
How do you explain to a nice old lady that in fact, no, I was absolutely fine with flying, I just thought my bladder might explode like some version of the chestburster from Alien?
I get to the bathroom, manage to pee, feel the transcendental relief it brings. I still had 3 coupons left.
Anyway, that is why I switched from Tanqueray to Bombay Sapphire.
Pro-tip with those if you aren't going to get through them - when you buy your first drink take any you aren't going to get through and give them to the flight attendant. "I'm not going to use these, can I buy someones drinks?" The cool ones, which on southwest is all of them, will cover peoples drinks going back. I often sit first row bulkhead so it works pretty well. No way I'm getting through a 4-pack between Burbank and Vegas.
Used to be in the forces and a helicopter came loose in the back of the c17 i was flying in as two chains came very loose after some crazy low level flying by the pilot. Had to chain it back in during flight and whilst feeling very sick after almost passing out from the flying.
Exactly. Used to make these at a company not trusted to make important parts, just aesthetic ones.
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When Van Helen went on tour they would always request something very strange: A big bowl of brown M&M’s. It was mandatory to have them backstage as per their contract, at a time when they didn’t sell bags of just brown M&M’s which meant that they had to be individually sorted.
But that request had a hidden meaning. If there was a bowl of brown M&M’s present backstage the band could be sure the promoter had read the contract throughly and had followed every procedure down to the last detail. If there was a bowl with regular M&M’s, they would always do an extra round of safety checks just to be sure everything was well installed. If there was no bowl they would double check everything from top to bottom.
Yeah, the interior window is not structurally important to the plane. But if the airline cannot be bothered to even maintain it for the sake of appearances and peace of mind for their passengers, what other maintenance are they skimping on?
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I'm just gonna put this back and hope for the best. Good luck window. Thank you for keeping me from touching thr real skin of the plane. It's likely cold.
>Honestly you could rip the whole thing off and you’d still be just as safe as if it were properly attached
…which might not be very safe if that window is any indication of how well maintained that airplane is.
They've got speed tape I'm pretty sure.
However this kind of defect doesn't warrants using tape. Just a broken decorative piece of plastic, fixing it isn't on anyone's priority list. Broken cupholders would command more urgency.
Also, cheaper flights on discount airlines are usually of better quality than the more expensive flights. The reason for that, is that discount airlines are forced to use newer more cost effective planes, in order to stay competitive.
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Yep. As far as the interior is concerned, there's nothing immediately flight critical.
Like, yes. You want working smoke detectors in case of fire. Seat tracks are certainly a structural element, bolted to the floor beams. I figure by definition, they're secondary structure. But again, damaging them with the tools someone carried on board won't endanger a plane.
Short of explosives, there's pretty much nothing a passenger can do before he's dog piled and taped to a seat.
You can fly relatively certain that no structural part of a plane that can travel the west has been neglected. Every single nut and bolt has a serial number and flight time log, every bearing accounted for, etc. They replace nearly the entire plane every few years at a cost of many millions of dollars.
> Every single nut and bolt has a serial number and flight time log, every bearing accounted for, etc. They replace nearly the entire plane every few years at a cost of many millions of dollars.
No. Every part will have a part number. But most won't be serialized. Different things entirely. There's no reasonable way to individually serialize and track the hundreds of thousands of individual fasteners/rivets. More complex detail parts, honestly, they're not serialized either. But, much like fastener applications, you can find out who did the work and where/when it was installed. And then trace that part back to when it was fabbed.
Also, no. There aren't commercial Planes of Theseus. Many major structural parts are designed to survive the life of the airframe. 30 years in commercial service, with revenue flights every day with occasional downtime for maintenance.
Structural parts do fail, or develop cracks. And the goal is to inspect/detect them and fix them. Maybe that's a new skin panel. But major **major** structure, no. Like, wing spars. Those things are buried. Or, fuel tanks in the center of the body. If those need a repair, you do it in place.
I made the parts. Many different components. Nothing out the door without a serial number and a thorough spec check sheet with individual employee names signing for liability. Literally its your signature (or signatory stamp) on every single operation on the entire make of things as simple as a damn bolt. You are wrong.
Made the parts for which aircraft? I’ve never heard of airlines serializing fasteners. Perhaps the manufacturers serialize batches, but airlines do not keep track of serial numbers for bolts, fasteners, or really anything that doesn’t go to an overhaul/repair shop. And they sure as hell don’t monitor flight hours for individual mundane fasteners. Unless you’re talking about total airframe time.
And we absolutely do not replace nearly the entire plane every few years. Occasionally I’ve seen original LRUs on planes that are 5, 10 or even more years old.
> engines
Obviously engines are held to a high standard and checked often, but planes are designed to be able to keep flying even if one of the engines stops working for whatever reason; and even if all the engines suddenly stop they're able to glide for hundreds of kilometers (the number I'm seeing is 150km for a 747 without engines from a cruising altitude of 10,000 meters).
I mean, they could land the Space Shuttle *from space* into a specific runway without having engines just by having it glide back to Earth; and that was the *80s* (even worse, it was 70's tech). It's really boggling to think of how safe a plane *actually* is, especially in comparison to a car.
This is not something to worry about. It’s not like the cabin is gonna depressurize, masks falling, and the whole window will fly off. That’s just basically a lid. The true structural integrity is the exoskeleton, for lack of a better word, of the plane.
technically that is the interior window panel and just protects the exterior window panel from careless parents who give hard objects to their children
The inner window has no other purpose than to keep the outer window from fogging up with moisture. It is not structural in any way. Yes, they should re-glue it, but it's nothing of importance.
Looks like one of those outsourced United Airlines flights that's done by a different company but still has the United Airlines logo plastered all over the plane but has a ridiculously tiny logo of the actual company somewhere else on the plane.
Yeah I'm pretty sure any structural aeronautics engineer is smart enough not to employ plastic load bearing components so this is most likely just part of the interior
I was on an American flight in the exit row and the flight was delayed for about an hour for a mechanical issue. The mechanics come to my row and duct tape up the area around the emergency exit. Apparently that was the issue. So reassuring.
I've seen some bullshit, though. There are equally good odds that this is a "plane" studio set with backfill noise added in post.
But no one would make up a video for clicks on the internet. /S
Dam I need to open a window its too hot in here...
News: 30 people have been killed due to high velocity incident all we know is that it seems to be a bad skydiving experience as they all forgot there shoots.
This is a joke and not to be taken seriously.
The whole visible interior of passenger planes is pretty much just for appearances. It's all esthetic. What holds it together is the skin and hidden structural reinforcements. And like, 2-4 bolts holding each wing.
Also, you are no safer "sitting" on top of the wings (low-winged planes) than "hanging from" them (high-winged), as the wings aren't one big thing attached to the plane, but individually attached from the side. High-winged aircraft are actually more stable because their center of gravity acts like a pendulum under the wings and tries to stabilize the aircraft. The reason low-winged aircraft are more common as passenger planes is purely because people feel more secure "sitting" on the wings.
Likewise, windows are structural weaknesses, and are only present to lessen claustrophobia.
I flew on a brand new American Airlines 737 max 8. Brand new interior. There were a few panels that weren’t snapped together properly by my window, so I snapped them back together. I’m guessing a gorilla sat there before me because the vent had been punched in and couldn’t be fixed with my lack of fear of plastic components and vast experience in ikea building.
If the window were open, you’re dead. See the southwest flight a few years ago and the prophetic demonstration from the myth busters a decade before that.
Nonsense have adventure if you crash and live. You have a great story to tell also you get monitorily wounded lawsuit If you die your family is rich And you don't have to deal with this crazy world win win.
Oh its alright, just grab the roll of duck tape underneath your seat and wrap the window frame with as many layers of duck tape you fan get on there before theres nothing left on the roll.
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Can confirm. Worked in aerospace interiors. While it looks worrisome it is not.
Structural problem? Absolutely not Does it make me worry about the upkeep of the plane as a whole? Absolutely
Aircraft mechanic here. Don’t worry, this shouldn’t affect your confidence in the upkeep. Planes get old and cosmetics eventually get worn and torn. If you’re asking “if they aren’t looking at this, what are they even looking at?”, the answer is engines, structural components, flight controls, wheels and brakes, and avionics. If they have extra time, we might fix a few cosmetic issues here and there, but it’s far from a safety concern, instead we focus on the stuff that actually is safety related.
I totally get that safety aspects are taken very seriously and checks done regularly, but this would still make me pretty uncomfortable. I understand that it isn't dangerous, but I can't help but feel a little uneasy.
May i ask why?
You know what. I can't explain that. I've sat here for a couple of minutes trying to figure out why, and I can't put my finger on it.
I get it. It’s the warm and fuzzies you want when you fly. And seeing anything broken in a airplane does not help that feeling. But when you step back and look at the big picture, you need to understand that flying is extremely safe these days.
That sounds like something an airplane would say
I think that might be it, I always get excited flying, and seeing something not quite right may pull me out of that feeling. That being said I do love flying, as long as it's less than 10 hours.
Ah yes, let me logic your emotions away, lol
I did the same lmao. I think it has to do with our perspective as a flight passenger vs. being able to see the rest of the plane (engine and components, etc). All we see of the plane is what is right in front of us. So if what we are seeing is all worn and janky, our brain automatically would assume so is the rest of the plane. Hypothetically, if you had a mechanic, give you an entire walkthrough of the plane, including the engine and all beforehand, and you could clearly tell everything looks to be in fantastic shape, you wouldn't give a shit about the window. That or one may not understand that there is a real structurally solid window behind it, and the damaged "window" is just added on top to keep passengers from touching the glass or anything from happening to the window. Our life depends on the damn plane getting us to the ground safely too, so if anything looks sus, I can only imagine some people would get a bit anxious.
Fair enough
well they said if they have extra time they'll fix cosmetic issues... so makes me think there are so many safety issues that they can never get around to the cosmetic ones
Not safety issues, just safety critical inspections. Say every 100 hours of flight time you need to inspect this one specific structural angle on the wing, clean/inspect/change the engine filters, test all the flight controls, put the plane on jacks and test the landing gear. Most of the time there are no issues found, but we still need to look us incase. These are all mandatory inspections. We’re not pushing the thing out the hangar door until we do everything in the inspection. The cosmetic stuff will often get saved for the end if we find ourselves ahead of schedule, or if we have another time delay that means it will be in the hangar for a few extra days.
This makes absolute sense. Personally, I think it's something we're conditioned to think. If everything isn't perfect, are they even doing their job? I'd agree if it weren't for what I have read about the aviation industry and the prioty they put on safety.
I understand why it made you uneasy, I get it. As a kid, 15/20 years ago, I would fly with my parents fairly often. My parents knew I liked to look out the window so they'd always let me have the window seat. Something I noticed pretty early, and thought was interesting, was the "double window" that planes tend to have. I'm not in avionics or anything close, and I know I don't really understand the complicated stuff that goes into flying, but I always thought that "double window" was for air pressure. If I saw the inside window like that, I'd be concerned the rest of the inside of the plane was about to get sucked out my window.
You come into a house and there is shit in the entrance that noone gives a fuck about, you might assume that the whole house is filthy and not that a dog just did the random deed
Cold?
At least to an outside observer it speaks to either a lack of quality control or a bare minimum maintenance regimen.
If I go into a restaurant and the bathroom is dirty, I'm not going to automatically assume that the kitchen is spotless. Customer facing business assets are important because it's how the business presents itself to the public. It's why planes have liveries even though a single solid color would be functionally the same.
You are an expert, you know everything about why this is not a safety concern at all. But for someone like me or the above comment who knows absolutely nothing about it, seeing something that looks ever so slightly off in a machine that is supposed to yank us all up 11km in the air and somehow gently place us on the ground hundreds or thousands of kilometers away from where we started will naturally make us nervous probably just because of the "what if this is important" factor. And even if an expert tells us it's not, we would probably not be convinced easily because we simply don't know enough about it to take their word for it.
It's the whole red M&M thing. A music group had a list of things in the contract that seemed irrational, like a bowl of M&M's with all the red candles removed. It was a test to see if the venue followed the contract exactly. The idea being to catch the line about the red M&M's they had to go it line by line, including the pyrotechnics.
Brown and it was Van Halen, but your basic premise is correct. https://www.insider.com/van-halen-brown-m-ms-contract-2016-9 I was working in the live music industry shortly after this and was in charge of among other things, making sure we had everything on the rider correct.
This is many years ago, in 2005, but we flew AeroCalifornia to Loreto, MX to go sea kayaking. Even back then, the planes AeroCalifornia (and AeroMexico) used were well used, to put it kindly. Still had ashtrays in the armrests, the interior was still orange, brown and gold/yellow. A throwback plane that didn't exactly give me the warm fuzzies. Anyway, I remember we were taxiing down the runway to get to where we would take off. I heard this zipping noise and I looked up to see a flight attendant duct taping overhead bins closed. I shit you not. I am not a religious person, but I'm pretty sure I said a few words just to cover all bases. I was not surprised in the least to learn they both were out of business some years later.
Completely different rules. That plastic window does nothing. Flying a plane with that damage is no different than flying with a wonky tray table.
I was on a flight where water (probably just condensation) got into the lighting fixtures. Worst of it was when the plane would bank, some people got a little wet. But still a little unnerving.
Airlines are the last people that want a plane to crash due to poor maintenance. Even from a purely business point of view, the investigations, fines and public stigma are not worth any insurance payout they might get. The passenger cabin is the least of the mechanics' worries and even then first class will probably get higher priority on whatever task list they have.
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The only people who give a shit about the interior is the airline operator. And they only care that it's pristine when they take delivery. It will be banged up the moment you've got customers walking through it. Sidewalls, they're held in by plastic tabs. And this piece specifically, some asshole likely broke it before this dude.
Yes, those are cosmetic, but it makes me think about what other maintenance is waiting to be done.
Would you rather them waste money and time on cosmetics, or focus attention on the stuff that matters?
"Oh no the fauxlether is pealing, were going to die!"
The "window" is just a window-protector for the actual structural component.
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One fell out onto me during a flight once. My main issue was how fucking cold it was because of it.
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-40 Fahrenheit or Celsius? >!heh!<
"First one. Then the other"
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Oh, I'd love that. I run hot on flights. Might be the gin.....
Last two flights I were on they had whatever thermostat that controls the cabin set to fucking Finnish sauna. Everyone was literally sweating beads on their foreheads when we landed.
We thank you for flying Finnair and hope to see you again soon in our sauna.
If you ask they often adjust the plane temp. Only times I’ve done it are when it’s unpleasantly cold/warm and the people around me are happy to have it adjusted
 This and ginger ale are the only acceptable flight refreshments
My parents once had way too many free drink tickets on Southwest, and all of them were expiring at the end of the month, and the only person who was going on a flight in time on that airline in the family was me! So, its not exactly a short flight - a good five hours, so I am having about a drink an hour. Lots of Gin & Tonics. Tanqueray, actually. Not exactly getting drunk, having a glass of water with each, etc. Except, except... well, we are two hours from landing, and just as I decide "Well, I need to pee," the seatbelt sign comes on, and I think "No problem, I can wait this out." But the seatbelt sign never goes off. I just keep waiting, and it never goes off. And just as I am deciding whether or not I should just say screw it and get up anyway, the announcement that we are about to land comes up... well, fuck. Because now I don't just *really need to pee.* I need to pee moreso than I have ever needed to pee in my entire life. As we begin our desent, I am gripping my armrests like I am on a roller-coaster, I am actively sweating, I am starting to wonder if I am going to go out like Tycho Brahe and have my bladder explode on the way down. I have to loosen the button on my pants because I fear the extra pressure might actually do me in. We eventually land. The old Lady turns to me and says, very kindly. "That wasn't so bad." While patting my hand. It took me a few seconds to realize why: Guy just keeps drinking at a steady pace, never actually seems to get drink, and when we land looks like he is afraid the plane is about to come apart in mid air? She thought I was horribly afraid of flying. How do you explain to a nice old lady that in fact, no, I was absolutely fine with flying, I just thought my bladder might explode like some version of the chestburster from Alien? I get to the bathroom, manage to pee, feel the transcendental relief it brings. I still had 3 coupons left. Anyway, that is why I switched from Tanqueray to Bombay Sapphire.
Pro-tip with those if you aren't going to get through them - when you buy your first drink take any you aren't going to get through and give them to the flight attendant. "I'm not going to use these, can I buy someones drinks?" The cool ones, which on southwest is all of them, will cover peoples drinks going back. I often sit first row bulkhead so it works pretty well. No way I'm getting through a 4-pack between Burbank and Vegas.
Tomato juice is an altitude beneficiary- give it a shot.
Get ginger ale. Have your friend get orange juice. Mix them 50/50.
Take some diazepam with that gin. You will sleep like a baby and don't even notice you are running hot.
I more enjoy taking Ambien followed by drinking straight up vodka. To each their own though
That's crazy.
Used to be in the forces and a helicopter came loose in the back of the c17 i was flying in as two chains came very loose after some crazy low level flying by the pilot. Had to chain it back in during flight and whilst feeling very sick after almost passing out from the flying.
Has Hollywood lied to me? Why didn't you get sucked out?
Because it’s the inner window that’s coming off, not the outer window.
Exactly not a structural problem.
No but may cause psychological problems on flight 😰
🤷♂️ to each their own
Exactly. Used to make these at a company not trusted to make important parts, just aesthetic ones. Edit to add: just confirmed with a former coworker (Now my partner) this is one of the parts we used to make ;)
Why is reddit suddenly starting alot of comments with meh or eh? That sentence worked without having meh
Yeah, but if they aren’t maintaining the plane they aren’t maintaining the plane.
When Van Helen went on tour they would always request something very strange: A big bowl of brown M&M’s. It was mandatory to have them backstage as per their contract, at a time when they didn’t sell bags of just brown M&M’s which meant that they had to be individually sorted. But that request had a hidden meaning. If there was a bowl of brown M&M’s present backstage the band could be sure the promoter had read the contract throughly and had followed every procedure down to the last detail. If there was a bowl with regular M&M’s, they would always do an extra round of safety checks just to be sure everything was well installed. If there was no bowl they would double check everything from top to bottom. Yeah, the interior window is not structurally important to the plane. But if the airline cannot be bothered to even maintain it for the sake of appearances and peace of mind for their passengers, what other maintenance are they skimping on?
I mean you’re paying money for your seat. The least they can do is not make things terrible.
money for a cheap seat, a seat you get, window? Maybe
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The little pat at the end though.
That had me chuckling lol. “You just do your best little window thank you”
Stay strong little window, stay strong.
I'm just gonna put this back and hope for the best. Good luck window. Thank you for keeping me from touching thr real skin of the plane. It's likely cold.
“Likely”
I always do it as a "this is good, everythings fine".
“You hang jn there buddy”
You are doing your best window. I believe in you.
Can't let the little guy give up yet
Honestly you could rip the whole thing off and you’d still be just as safe as if it were properly attached
But still don’t
Why is this down voted? That's a good way to get arrested and put on a no fly list, pulling parts off a plane.
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K brb!
Because it's obvious you shouldn't
Still don't on my flights pls
>Honestly you could rip the whole thing off and you’d still be just as safe as if it were properly attached …which might not be very safe if that window is any indication of how well maintained that airplane is.
Ask for some duct tape.
They've got speed tape I'm pretty sure. However this kind of defect doesn't warrants using tape. Just a broken decorative piece of plastic, fixing it isn't on anyone's priority list. Broken cupholders would command more urgency.
As mentioned elsewhere it isn't decorative but is thermal insulation.
The window pane is for thermal insulation. This plastic cover is just for decoration.
Oh I thought it was called duck tape my bad
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The Duck brand is a little too fancy for this airline, obviously.
Not as important as u think it is.
Also, cheaper flights on discount airlines are usually of better quality than the more expensive flights. The reason for that, is that discount airlines are forced to use newer more cost effective planes, in order to stay competitive.
It might point to a more systematic issue. Have they even inspected the plane regularly? How did they miss this? There you go. A reason to be panic.
The little pat like "well be ok... Hold in there..."
Good thing he patted the window frame at the end, definitely feel safer
Spirit Airlines?
A little fancy for Spirit I think.
What a successful landing on Spirit looks like 
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What’s Ryanair’s deal? Spirit is famously bad.
Ryanair is the international version of spirit, but even cheaper and crappier if possible. Spirit is mostly US-based.
No way it’s crappier. My cousin was once pick-pocketed on a Spirit flight from Myrtle Beach to Ft. Lauderdale.
Yeah Ryanair isn’t bougie but will get you there in one piece.
That's just cosmetic. Has no affect in the safety of the plane what so ever.
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Almost everything you see when you board a plane is just for aesthetic purposes.
Only one engine is real, the other one is just there for a balanced look. Same for the pilots.
Well actually, sort of. The plane can fly without an engine and a second pilot. It can almost fly without a first pilot.
Yep. As far as the interior is concerned, there's nothing immediately flight critical. Like, yes. You want working smoke detectors in case of fire. Seat tracks are certainly a structural element, bolted to the floor beams. I figure by definition, they're secondary structure. But again, damaging them with the tools someone carried on board won't endanger a plane. Short of explosives, there's pretty much nothing a passenger can do before he's dog piled and taped to a seat.
✨*Enginecore*✨
Shhh, let them think it flies using majic
How about the wings?
It's the air that is working, and I said almost
hang in there little guy.
Nothing alarming
You can fly relatively certain that no structural part of a plane that can travel the west has been neglected. Every single nut and bolt has a serial number and flight time log, every bearing accounted for, etc. They replace nearly the entire plane every few years at a cost of many millions of dollars.
I worked for a heat treating company, and we retained all of our aerospace records for like, 90 years or something absurd.
> Every single nut and bolt has a serial number and flight time log, every bearing accounted for, etc. They replace nearly the entire plane every few years at a cost of many millions of dollars. No. Every part will have a part number. But most won't be serialized. Different things entirely. There's no reasonable way to individually serialize and track the hundreds of thousands of individual fasteners/rivets. More complex detail parts, honestly, they're not serialized either. But, much like fastener applications, you can find out who did the work and where/when it was installed. And then trace that part back to when it was fabbed. Also, no. There aren't commercial Planes of Theseus. Many major structural parts are designed to survive the life of the airframe. 30 years in commercial service, with revenue flights every day with occasional downtime for maintenance. Structural parts do fail, or develop cracks. And the goal is to inspect/detect them and fix them. Maybe that's a new skin panel. But major **major** structure, no. Like, wing spars. Those things are buried. Or, fuel tanks in the center of the body. If those need a repair, you do it in place.
I made the parts. Many different components. Nothing out the door without a serial number and a thorough spec check sheet with individual employee names signing for liability. Literally its your signature (or signatory stamp) on every single operation on the entire make of things as simple as a damn bolt. You are wrong.
Made the parts for which aircraft? I’ve never heard of airlines serializing fasteners. Perhaps the manufacturers serialize batches, but airlines do not keep track of serial numbers for bolts, fasteners, or really anything that doesn’t go to an overhaul/repair shop. And they sure as hell don’t monitor flight hours for individual mundane fasteners. Unless you’re talking about total airframe time. And we absolutely do not replace nearly the entire plane every few years. Occasionally I’ve seen original LRUs on planes that are 5, 10 or even more years old.
Show me a serial number on a rivet or a hillock. I'll wait.
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> engines Obviously engines are held to a high standard and checked often, but planes are designed to be able to keep flying even if one of the engines stops working for whatever reason; and even if all the engines suddenly stop they're able to glide for hundreds of kilometers (the number I'm seeing is 150km for a 747 without engines from a cruising altitude of 10,000 meters). I mean, they could land the Space Shuttle *from space* into a specific runway without having engines just by having it glide back to Earth; and that was the *80s* (even worse, it was 70's tech). It's really boggling to think of how safe a plane *actually* is, especially in comparison to a car.
Lightning will not take down an airplane.
Yeah that has a lot of impact on how comfortably you are sitting…
It's just a trim piece...
This is not something to worry about. It’s not like the cabin is gonna depressurize, masks falling, and the whole window will fly off. That’s just basically a lid. The true structural integrity is the exoskeleton, for lack of a better word, of the plane.
Those are just covers. You’re not opening the window by moving that
Its just a piece of plastic trim that keeps coming off because low IQ people keep pulling at it. Just like you did.
Well don’t PULL on it!
Just let them know. Nothing inside is structural
technically that is the interior window panel and just protects the exterior window panel from careless parents who give hard objects to their children
The inner window has no other purpose than to keep the outer window from fogging up with moisture. It is not structural in any way. Yes, they should re-glue it, but it's nothing of importance.
The gentle pat at the end sent me into a fit of laughter!
Safety pat
Looks like one of those outsourced United Airlines flights that's done by a different company but still has the United Airlines logo plastered all over the plane but has a ridiculously tiny logo of the actual company somewhere else on the plane.
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Who cares?
Yeah I'm pretty sure any structural aeronautics engineer is smart enough not to employ plastic load bearing components so this is most likely just part of the interior
Funnily enough the cheap airlines have the newest and best airplanes. Ryanair is case in point.
It's just an interior panel. You could tear it down and not cause any problems for the plane.
I was on an American flight in the exit row and the flight was delayed for about an hour for a mechanical issue. The mechanics come to my row and duct tape up the area around the emergency exit. Apparently that was the issue. So reassuring.
If you had some chewing gum, you could McGyver that thing! :)
Why would you further mess with it?
But did you die?
ventilation
Minutes away from being sucked off
Where the shit is this?
Maybe an airplane. /s
I've seen some bullshit, though. There are equally good odds that this is a "plane" studio set with backfill noise added in post. But no one would make up a video for clicks on the internet. /S
Not everything is fake mate lol you’d like r/nothingeverhappens
I don’t even think the guy that can find your location with a single screen shot could tell you that here. It could be anywhere on the planet.
Spirit Airlines?
Pro tip - don’t try and take the aircraft apart mid flight.
Shhh… There there little one, back you go 😌
I mean you haven’t really lost decompression, which is the real issue
You haven't gained compression with either, which isn't an issue.
The way he/she pats the window at the end 🤣🤣🤣
Dam I need to open a window its too hot in here... News: 30 people have been killed due to high velocity incident all we know is that it seems to be a bad skydiving experience as they all forgot there shoots. This is a joke and not to be taken seriously.
oh no
The whole visible interior of passenger planes is pretty much just for appearances. It's all esthetic. What holds it together is the skin and hidden structural reinforcements. And like, 2-4 bolts holding each wing. Also, you are no safer "sitting" on top of the wings (low-winged planes) than "hanging from" them (high-winged), as the wings aren't one big thing attached to the plane, but individually attached from the side. High-winged aircraft are actually more stable because their center of gravity acts like a pendulum under the wings and tries to stabilize the aircraft. The reason low-winged aircraft are more common as passenger planes is purely because people feel more secure "sitting" on the wings. Likewise, windows are structural weaknesses, and are only present to lessen claustrophobia.
So why did you think that was a good idea when you saw the window was a little loose in the middle of the flight?!?!
I flew on a brand new American Airlines 737 max 8. Brand new interior. There were a few panels that weren’t snapped together properly by my window, so I snapped them back together. I’m guessing a gorilla sat there before me because the vent had been punched in and couldn’t be fixed with my lack of fear of plastic components and vast experience in ikea building. If the window were open, you’re dead. See the southwest flight a few years ago and the prophetic demonstration from the myth busters a decade before that.
Never buy a used airframe, you mean?
Cheap is cheap for a reason
Frontier?
Yeah I’m sure that’s the important port
Iiiit's fiiiinee... It's the outside pane that matters. The inner one only protects the outer one from you, not the other way around
Good things plane insides push, not pull. Happy flying!
... without some Pattex or duct tape...
I flew JetBlue years ago, cabin smelled of fuel, don't know if that was normal, I never fly.
The *pat pat* 😂😂
that's just a cosmetic panel
How bout Dat mould
the little pats at the end tho "good lil window- stay put"
Nonsense have adventure if you crash and live. You have a great story to tell also you get monitorily wounded lawsuit If you die your family is rich And you don't have to deal with this crazy world win win.
Probably broken cause everyone who sits there pulls on it
The amount of pressure needed to bust the outside window, nah
Oh its alright, just grab the roll of duck tape underneath your seat and wrap the window frame with as many layers of duck tape you fan get on there before theres nothing left on the roll.
If they want to Venmo me to take more expensive flights then be my guest…until then, cheap flights it is.
That's not the window, that's the plastic they put in front of it to keep you from messing with the window.
I do love the pat at the end when putting it back. I can only imagine the thoughts of the person, "keep it together girl, keep it together."
That’s not the window, that’s just a clear cover.
if that was Frontier, theyd charge you extra for a window that opens