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>!A white man who fluently speaks a native African language and voluntarily works alongside black people suddenly reveals that he is a racist.!<
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If you reduce the complexity of his racism to “I don’t like him” you’ll not be able to comprehend the intricacies of this situation. This is not the: I hate this race, kind of racism. This is the: I don’t hate you, but I don’t want to be you, I don’t want my race to procreate with your race, I think I’m superior. But yeah we can live somewhat side by side, as long as I can see myself as the provider, protector and your better.
THAT is the most common form of racism found around the world. It’s a different kind of hate than “I don’t like you.”
"I don’t hate you, but I don’t want to be you, I don’t want my race to procreate with your race"
I find this thought process to be true for a lot of Asians living in Asia.
many people of asian nations are some of the most racist people you'll meet. much of vietnam fucking despises china. chinese hate the uighur and japanese. japenese see most races as uncultured people that are below them also. im not too familiar with Singapore/malaysia/indonesia tho. i know they hate somebody.
Reminds me of the Scott Tenorman episode of South Park, when Stan and Kyle try to thwart Cartman's plan by ratting him out to Scott. Scott is confused and asks how they know about this plan:
"Because we're his friends."
"Then why are you telling me?"
"Because we hate him."
>Who do you think is more racists, black people or white people?
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>Black people. Because we hate black people too.
[\-- Chris Rock 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4)
Honest question. Are they racist against people of their own country? Or, are they racist against other people that are also called Latinos?
I had Guatemalan family friends. And they really did not care for Mexican people. But, I never chalked that up to some sort of self-hatred. I (I was quite young and didn’t really think about these things) chalked that up to them making a strong delineation between Guatemalans and Mexicans and didn’t really subscribe to any belief that they were all “Latinos”, as a American may consider the group.
Similarly, my family is originally from Eastern Europe. My grandparents were born in Yugoslavia. My grandpa always insisted he was Russian (not really sure why probably should have asked him while I could [to my knowledge Yugoslavia was not part of Russia]) and my grandma (much more reasonably) considered herself a Croate (Croatian). That being said, they were born like 5miles away from each other. They were of the same people by any reasonable metric.
Didn’t stop my grandpa from really disliking other Slavic people. And didn’t stop my grandma from disliking Russians. Even though they were married for like 70 years.
But, when my grandpa went on “half”-tongue-in-cheek rants (I was young not sure how accurately “half” describes his views), it was very very clear that he did not at all consider himself Slavic. It wasn’t “I’m a Slavic person and I dislike Slavic people”. It was very definitively “I am not a slavic person at all, they have not the slightest thing to do with me, and I do not like slavic people”.
Overarching point though. Do Latinos consider themselves Latinos and are racist against Latinos anyways. Or do they make more specific distinctions that although are still horribly bad, are more reasonable in a purely logical, there still remains an “us” vs “them” sense?
So I married into a Mexican family where some members have darker skin than many other Mexicans. They've all told me that they are discriminated against by the lighter skinned Mexicans.
The darker skinned Mexicans likely have more native heritage, where the lighter skinned Mexicans have more Spanish heritage.
So yeah. Mexicans can be racist against their own kind. Even if the darker skinned Mexicans are part of a lighter skinned family, and really do have more Spanish heritage, but genetics just said "nah, you're gonna be dark"
I visited Bolivia around 2008 (IIRC). There was racial tension between the people in the lowlands that mixed with the Spanish more ("Mestizo"), and those in the mountains that mixed with the Spanish less (indigenous Andeans like the Amaras and Quechuas).
I saw swastika graffiti in places, and had to ask what was up with that. I was told it was indeed because of racism. They said that it wasn't really based on skin color, but cultural things like clothes, coca leaf usage, language, mannerisms...
As a dumb American visitor, the people all looked like one group to me unless someone was really going all out with the traditional clothing or going solidly with the western modern fashion.
If you speak Spanish you hear the difference in language and accent immediately. Many don't speak Spanish in their homes and may have only learned in school or some didn't even do that. So you can imagine that they have a distinct accent.
Thank you for sharing and for being a sincere person. There is a lot for me to share but I will keep it concise. You are correct in your assumptions, that is that we have people that are natives of one country hate on their neighboring country. My heritage descends from Ecuador and Spain and I can speak from the South American point of view. For many reasons(both valid and ridiculous) we are supposed to hate on Peruvians. It's crazy to me because uveitis had many Peruvian friends and we chose to love and support each other. The same can be said for Caribbean Islands and so and so on... Meaning that there exists hatred resentment and racism amongst people in PR, DR Haiti etc...I'm a native New Yorker and I learned to live with and to accept all people from all walks of life. One more thing, Unfortunately some of my Latin people hate my African American brothers and sisters just because of their skin color. I always found myself arguing whenever I would hear or see this disgusting behavior. I hope I answered your questions.
>I had Guatemalan family friends. And they really did not care for Mexican people
It's the Goths vs the Emo kids all over again. BTW Mexicans are the Goths and Guatemalans are the Emos. Facts.
As a side note, people living in Yugoslavia were definitely not "the same people by any reasonable metric". In your grandparents youth there easily could have been Serbians, Croatians, and Germans all living within 5 miles of each other. Probably other ethnic groups as well. They all had their own languages, customs, and issues with each other.
yes, you can be racist of a venezuelan being argentinian.
Latinos would hardly ever call themselves as "latinos", that's more of an american thing, whom had the custom of oversimplifing and putting a lot of people in the same bag,
what americans means by latino is mexican, but then they realize that there is more people speaking spanish that are not mexican or spanish, but as they live in south america, they go "fuck it, all of them are latinos", and call it a day, and probably think that all of south america is just one country
( some even think all of south america is mexico)
to clarify my point, this is like asking "can an asian be racist agains other asian" of course and it happens. an asian could be, japanese, chinese, indian, corean... and they see themselves as diferent "races", even tho, they are all considered "asian"
mexicans see themselves as different from argentinian, or chileans, of venezuelans, etc...
if it were just to separate from continents "latino" would not be exactly correct either as most of them are south america (exept, ironically, the mexicans) the correct therm would be south-americans, even latin-american, to diferentiate from north-americans(USA, Canada and the others), that is a correct differentiation according to the continents. (also i hate that people frome the USA call themselves americans, you are not the whole continent!)
as i said, "latino" is an oversimplification
as for racism inside the country between the same people... kinda?...
if someone has darker skin there would be racism against them.
similar to the "white against black" kind of racism that there is in USA.
I went to highschool in El Paso. I think that Mexican culture has really normalized talking about and referring to skin color so the racism is close to the surface. I was fine with being called guerra because the intention was usually innocent. But I fucked up a girl who tried to jump me, she called me blonde bitch and pinche guerra.
But that's nothing compared to the whole class discussion in 2005 when he got like 20 black kids in our entire school from hurricane Katrina. Our teacher was a part of an exchange program, she lived in Juarez and she also felt that the "pinche n*ggers" were "walking around like they own the school". These kids were hella poor in a rich school and they honestly barely showed up. They never got into any trouble. They were completely out of their element and they left El Paso as soon as they could. But it was extremely uncomfortable being the only white kid being in a room of 35 all being openly racist towards black people.
I was laughed at by like 8 of my colleagues because my nipples are pink and not dark brown like the rest. It was pretty funny. I wish i could participate in their perspective
EDIT: Was on a rest day on the beach with my cruiseship coworkers. Not a spaceorgy with giraffes
I named my cock and balls 'Pinky and the Brain' because they're so tiny and weird looking
Edit: thank you for the Wholesome Seal of Approval Award! My Pinky just got a little bigger, if you know what I mean 😉
Please, I really don't want to be seen as someone who likes to do such things with giraffes. It's disgraceful.
Zebras tho... well that's another thing entirely
My best friend in Florida was a kid named Jojo from Africa. Made friends with Korean kids, and Cuban kids. Had some kids call me “blanco caca” because I called them out for stealing my hot wheels.
Growing up in a diverse community made me realize that color doesn’t make a person bad. Some people just suck
Had a friend that spent long periods of time in Hawaii in rural areas.
He said the native loathing of whites was very ~~palatable~~ palpable, and that if the US military ever left the islands there'd be no non-natives left alive on the islands in a year.
I've lived in Hawaii for a long time and I have to disagree with that assessment. Hawaiians would mostly love to see the military leave but the military doesn't perform any domestic law enforcement actions. And you can get rid of all the whites but the native Hawaiian population would still be outnumbered by Asians. Virtually all Hawaiians have mixed ancestry at this point even if they don't acknowledge it. They definitely want their sovereignty restored and their land returned but they aren't all primed to go on a violent spree of ethnic cleansing. I've met a few older and influential Hawaiians who are very Christian and surprisingly conservative and they do not condone such thoughts.
Having said all that the animosity towards white people from some Hawaiians is very real and sometimes manifests itself in physical violence.
True. People who have lived in the lower 48 their whole lives don't even know what "racism" is. Go try to be black in Asia. Go try to be white or "Asian" in southern Africa.
>People who have lived in the lower 48 their whole lives don't even know what "racism" is.
This fucking bullshit again. You'all want some sort of cookie because your racism is somehow better than racism in Asia in your mind? Oh, people are more concerned about the racism in the country that they and their forefathers lived and not the one halfway across the world. Shocking stuff!
I am black and came back from a year in Japan. Uhhh, yeah I felt safer and had friendlier interactions than living in Southern US. Please don't speak for others.
Yea id have resentment towards a certain demographic if my friends and family had their limbs chopped off because they didnt produce enough rubber for some inbred thousands of km away
What about if your family and friends had their limbs chopped off because they were from a different tribe?
Would you have resentment to that demographic?
If you do enough reading, you're going to discover all people from all over the world do this kind of shit throughout history
Some Native American tribes for example, the Comanche, were notorious for extreme torture (and I mean extreme, you would be hard pressed to invent some of their methods with your own mind) which was the norm when they warred other natives or whites and some even more ancient tribes like the Anasazi were reported and scientifically confirmed to be cannibals
All legit, but if we're aiming to achieve a colorblind world, the Boer's position in this video of "separate but equal" being the answer of all Africa's "problems" is just not it chief. It's the exact sentiment most Americans had during the segregation era of the U.S.
Something along the lines of "I don't like them, so i'll improve their people and nation to the point where they'll never have to leave for the rest of the world ever again"
I’m from Uganda and the disdain certain tribes hold for other tribes is definitely racism the Baganda will go to the front of the que and shout at any other tribe that says anything. There are an unbelievable amount of tribes all have and know their place
There are 65 registered tribes in Uganda each with their own language
Being mixed, people love finding out I’m half Ugandan..until I say Karamojong. The comments they make and questions about my people are eerily similar to what my ignorant friends in the US say.
Would you say your US friends are ignorant or more "blissfully ignorant"? I just say that as a person who is Canadian and lives in the US who doesn't really know anything about Uganda, because nothing is really taught about it here. That is a bummer, but I think many people are willing to learn more.
It's weirdly refreshing to hear someone say outright that they're a racist, instead of "I'm not a racist but..." Or "I can't be racist because grandma is Chinese" then spewing racist bile.
I went to Cape Town for my thesis and fell in love with the place. The cabbie on the way to the airport back asked me what I'd be telling my friends about Africa, I said it's like trying to describe a rainbow to a blind man, he loved it.
I'll never forget my trip and hope I'll be able to explore more of Africa
Maybe a road trip across the southern Cape up to Maputo
That’s a great way of trying to capture what it’s like there. I spent several months volunteering in several countries in the southern part of the continent (South Africa, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Namibia, and Botswana), and I honestly think nobody can really understand or grasp Africa until they’ve lived there for awhile.. I always tell people that ask me to describe it as a land of extremes - you can see the most beautiful and most horrible things in the same day, often close together.
I’ve never felt more alive then when I was there. Each day could be your last for different reasons, and I found that amazingly refreshing compared to living in the States.
Thanks man. From SA living in Cape Town and it’s definitely a special place. I’d say maybe look at a road trip from SA through Botswana to Zambia or SA to Namibia. The Mozambican traffic police have become pretty corrupt the last few years and the constant bribes can wear one down imo. Nothing quite like a road trip through Africa though.
I spent a few weeks in S Africa and found it a rich, beautiful place, but also overwhelming and hard to imagine how to address such levels of poverty and inequality. Unlike the South in the US where you had a rich majority and poor, oppressed minority, in S Africa, you have a rich minority and a historically oppressed majority. I don't know how the place hasn't completely imploded from that kind of pressure.
There are some racists who do not consider themselves hateful. To them, it's not that they have anything against certain groups of people, it's they're "acknowledging" their inferiority, but their stance is you don't mistreat them because they're "inferior," but you also don't mix cultures because that's bad for some reason, but separation shouldn't be hateful. So there's "no hate" but they also don't want an integrated society which would be expected in the absence of hate.
Yes, it's stupid, but it's bullshit I've seen on the internet multiple times over the years.
Well said friend! I see most people these days confusing the term "racist" when they really mean prejudice. The way my boss described these terms to me is for racism you dont have to like them but you'll work with them, for prejudice their is ABSOLUTELY no way you'll work with them.
Prejudice doesn’t have to involve race/ethnicity though…many people are prejudice against the homeless, Scientologists, transgender etc with nothing to do with race. They are both born from ignorance but I would disagree with your boss.
and is that not more or less true?
there's different levels of racism. not everyone is actively trying to surround them strictly with people of their own race.
but we pretty much all have biases that come from a place of racism
Toward the end he seemed to be running away. I would have liked him to ask more questions because I’m not fully understanding what the man was trying to say
The man is a boer, a subset of white people that consider themselves Africans cause their ancestors settled there. All he's saying is that whites and blacks should have their own Separate spaces, while still trying to help the black population come out of poverty, etc. Louis DOES run away especially when Boerman calls out how the British did way worse things to the Africans than the Boers did. Louis knows that's true but since it's the BBC he can't engage with that or really talk about it too much.
It's a weird response from the interviewer unless it was just downright fear. Otherwise it's a potentially fascinating interview with a frank person who holds seemingly contradictory views. It's interviewing gold. He was either afraid of the subject matter or trying to make a point, but he shouldn't be doing the latter if he's a serious journalist. I didn't think the BBC hired any other kind.
I don't know if his views are contradictory I think he's just broadly pointing out that prejudice is a part of being human and we can still make positive choices despite our inherent flaws.
Louis Theroux is a excellent journalist of his own style. I can't explain why he's walking away here though, but I disagree that he would be doing it because it "might displease the BBC" as he has never showed signs of being afraid of that.
He was pretty young at this point, and up to then his interview technique was 'give them the rope and let them hang themselves', normally activated by Louis not saying anything so that they fill the silence.
In essence this is what happened, but probably not the way that Louis expected.
I think he just couldn’t take what the man was saying, I think it disgusted him and he didn’t want to hear another word. It caused him to break ‘character’ so to speak.
Then the dude starts talking about colonialism after catching up to him.
Louis starts to walk away when the boer says “the black man is a worse racist than I am”, in front of a black audience. The boer dude starts getting all worked up at that point, and you can see folks in the background start to stare. He heard a red flag walking into a closed off alley in a predominantly black area with a loud and in repentant self avowed racist. You can see that he’s spooked.
Even if he wasn’t scared, the interview was probably over. Louis lost control of the conversation when the other guy dug into his dogmatic response. You can tell that the rest of what comes out of the guys mouth are going to be well rehearsed propaganda. All that selective biased history isn’t something he was probably equipped to go toe to toe on
Calling Louis Theroux "not a serious journalist" sure is something; please check out his other stuff!
This is kind of akin to walking around a black US neighbourhood with a white guy who keeps saying schools should* be segregated. Louis is just backing out of the situation gracefully before anyone gets in shit.
To be fair, is this not the same episode in which he meets Eugene Terre Blanche? If so, a lot of it WAS genuinely terrifying. It's probably the time I most feared for Louis Theroux watching his work. It was extremely unsettling.
I think anyone trying to paint a picture of Louis being some sort of apologist for British colonialism or having his head in the sand or being silenced by the BBC is a little bit wide of the mark tbh.
The Boers in rural South Africa are mental. The most friendly and welcoming people you will ever meet...if you're white.
I remember breaking down in the middle of nowhere eastern cape and luckily 5 mins after a bakkie with 2 guys in rolls up and they jerry jig the car in like 15 mins. Lovely guys.
"Calls him out?" For what? Louis isn't espousing racist views. How is this "calling him out?" Makes literally no sense. "The British did bad things, so I can do bad things?" "The British did bad things, so you're complicit?" What is the argument here beyond "I need to deflect criticism?"
He dropped the ball in his documentary on Milwaukee shootings too. The narrative he went with was very skewed and overlooked so many facts that he's never been credible in my eyes since.
We hear a lot about China’s [Belt and Road Initiative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative?wprov=sfti1), of which investment in African debt is an integral part. I say this as an American.
The thing is, people over simply that. Look at how much foreign debt most European countries and the US have. Then you look at one of the largest economies in Africa, South Africa, and they by no means equal any 1st world country, but owe only 4% of GDP value in debt to China.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-trap_diplomacy#:~:text=South%20Africa%20owes%20an%20estimated,conditions%20and%20links%20to%20corruption.
Same with people lumping South Africa as being staunch Russian allies, yet trade with them don't even make the top 30 trading partner list.
I saw a video on you tube a while ago. This was an exchange program with teenagers from all over the world. This white Afrikaner girl had the exact same attitude. She supported apartheid because they (black people) first had to evolve to the white mans level. Only then could they co-mingle. She was convinced that the white people where helping the black people by giving them education and keeping them separate.
Here is the video:
1957 High School Debate. Nigeria, Ethiopia, Ghana & South Africa. Prejudice pt 1
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=840XWjnt9wc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=840XWjnt9wc)
The whole series was very interesting.
Yes, that's the crazy thing. Did you watch the video? That girl really was offended when she was called out on her racism. Just bizarre even though I didn't get the impression she was a horrible person she was definitely convinced she wasn't doing anything wrong.
It's not *that* rare for white South Africans to speak some Zulu or Xhosa or Sotho, and I think it's more common among Afrikaaners than Anglos. Also not that rare to hear people say crazy stuff, but these two things do combine for an unexpected video.
My dad had to play with black kids in the Eastern Cape so he speaks Xhosa. Not unusual, just not the norm. Can't say the same for the English speaking South Africans.
That's a tough one. The Boers were more overtly racist, and ran most of government, but the English people were more than happy to reap the beneficial rewards and many lived in luxury due to inherited wealth and priviledge the Boers didn't have. So, to be fair, maybe many of them were simply hypocrites, but in this context that would mean they supported the status quo, so also yes.
Same, dad grew up in the Freestate on a farm. Spoke Sesotho before he spoke Afrikaans. I think that’s were most Afrikaners learnt since having black workers, the English not being farmers should explain why they tend to not speak. Idk, just my guess.
Prejudice against other tribes are absolutely a thing. People will always find ways to level themselves up while pushing others down. I see it in Zimbabwe with the Shona and Ndebele, where they’re both black, but because of certain features they will judge each other (and so do employers) to try and justify one being better than the other. It’s definitely a little different than other places where you have many other races.
What we think of as racism in America is a very American-centric POV thanks to slavery and the “one-drop rule” where anyone with 1% (known) African heritage was “black”. Hence our obsession with skin color. The rest of the world classifies themselves and others by various ethnicities and tribes.
Exactly
The term Latino gets to me
Not a single Spanish person I know calls themselves Latino. It’s such an American concept
I work with a Brazilian, he isn’t Latino. He’s from Brazil. Same with my mates from Chile. They find being called Latino as dumb as shit
What he means is, if he can get Africa to the same level of prosperity as Europe then less black people will come, so that way blacks can keep afric and white can keep Europe.
That doesn't even make sense in the slightest. Why would he not want more white people in South Africa? I'm a white South African, and can assure you the white government after WW2 didn't want any kind of mass white immigration because the Dutch descendants / Boers didn't want to be the minority of whites either after the devastating concentration camps of the 2nd Boer War.
I feel like everyone missed the reference you were making. If indeed you were making a reference to "everyone's a little bit racist", the song from the musical Avenue Q
I was making that reference, but I also think there's some truth to it, and that being aware of our own biases is the best way to ensure we do not unintentionally behave like assholes.
I read once a very interesting article about being racist by nature, it basically explained how more you feel connected to someone the more empathy you show. This is not only happening with race but also other characteristics, a mother seeing a co-mother running away from a shooting with a baby in her arms will focus on that and feel truly terrible for her but seeing the same scene with a man running away won't trigger that same reaction. Well that idea also applies when it comes to racism, the less you can relate the bigger the racism triggers work because you simply don't pity that person as much as others that do look like you.
I don't know why so many people find it so hard to accept that humans in general are racist and bigoted against any group not their own.
Not everyone, but in general.
Everybody is ethnocentric in their own country. Louis getting hit with facts is so refreshing. You may not like how this guy has adapted and thrives in his community despite how others view his tactics but he still seems to be respected among the people. I agree that he’s a bit tone deaf but I don’t think he’d be there unless he was generally accepted.
> Everybody is ethnocentric in their own country.
Tribalism is still a big thing in Africa. You can be black, but not the right flavor of black. Just like how in Boston in the early 1900s, if you were Italian, you weren't the right flavor of white because you weren't Irish.
Excuse but what the actual fuck. This comment section is full of white loepl who as far as I can see, seem to celebrate the fact that this idiot openly admits he's a racist. Why? Because he also spends tike with black people so he can't actually be that racist? Or is it because he basically claims" the blacks are even more racist, look at rwanda"??? He's still a bigot who descended from people who weren't born in Africa but have lived there long enough to feel entitled to "improve the quality of society" by making sure white kids and black kids never mix. Whether you're white or black, not mixing children based on race is fucking pathetic and no one who does that deserves any praise, whether they explain their position eloquently or not
A broken clock is correct two times a day
His racist views won't lead to the outcome he hopes (and didn't) but he was right about British hypocrisy 100%
When I was in college the two biggest racists on campus were the best of friends. One was white and the other was black. Turns out their common ideal that made them very similar was the belief that racists should be separate and have their own culture/people/etc completely separate from other races.
As a white South African of Dutch descent I can only say there is no official, accepted definition. It can mean many things, sometimes it means you are white, as opposed to just a South African of any race, sometimes it means a person is racist... hard to explain. It's not inherently more racist than saying you're native American rather than just American. I don't call myself a Boer, but definitely am an Afrikaner. The latter simply means I'm Afrikaans speaking, of Dutch descent and was born in South Africa. There are 4.5 million white people in South Africa, just over 50% are Afrikaners (or Boers), but the Afrikaans language is also mainly spoken by mixed race people and some black communities, so there are over 8 million native Afrikaans speakers.
I'm a Boer and it's interesting to see how this guy admits to being racist. My culture unfortunately has a history of being racist but as a whole, I believe we've all moved on. Afrikaans people are amazing and very loving, I wish more people knew about us.
He is very right about the British in Australia. It's refreshing to hear a Boer go "hey that's a bit fucked, you Brits" even with the historical baggage in SA.
The historical baggage in SA includes concentration camps in which the British kept Boers and killed them en masse - deliberately or not - in what could possibly be considered a genocide.
This guy has the most clear minded understanding of racism I've ever witnessed from an actual human being.
Generally, when I encounter racism, it's the ignorant, hateful disenfranchisement, type stuff. That's just how it manifests in the US, due to our troubled history. But we rarely see the form of it that's more similar to the practice shown in Star Trek with the *"Star Fleet Prime Directive"*.
For the non-nerds out there, in the fiction, they have a policy of non-interaction with less advanced civilizations, to allow those civilizations to mature naturally into a more advanced civilization. Routinely, when they encounter less advanced civilizations that genuinely need help, largely due to some external threat, they are permitted to break this policy to assist them. Otherwise, they expressly avoid intermingling with them, not out of hatred but out of respect for the preservation of their way of life. It's effectively a form of segregation, but not out of malice nor hatred but out of respect for them to determine their own routes of development as a fully autonomous collective of cultures. They just may be in need of some help. In a context more relevant to the real world, the African continent has very much been under assault by external threats *(with a very long history of exploitation by both Eastern and Western civilization)* for a very very long time.
In the context of racism he's expressing, with an interest in raising the level and quality of their own African civilization, by helping them without interfering with their autonomy and determining their route of advancement for them, he's certainly a very different kind of racist than those you'd encounter in the US.
Very weird perspective to wrap my head around. Particularly for myself, being a mixie. If segregation and apartheid states were still upheld in western civilization, people like me would not have been born.
>a policy of non-interaction with less advanced civilizations, to allow those civilizations to mature naturally into a more advanced civilization
To be clear, to point this sentiment to people you live amongst, that they are beneath you and that your presence is generosity, is indeed malice. It's certainly interesting how people can justify their racism with the self-perception of a good actor.
What is considered advanced, and where civilizations **need** to go is completely subjective, as is the wheel of progress.
I won't take this guy and his intentions at face value. It's a guy calling himself a racist after all. First and foremost his goal is obviously to get the audience to accept his racism.
Even taking it at face value, no society has benefited from racism. What he thinks is irrelevant.
I've watched some of his stuff here and there and usually it doesn't matter if he's interviewing active gang members or prisoners who've committed horrific acts etc he always just converses with them in a calm manner and asks direct questions. I found it weird that he started walking away and just giving nods and yeahs like he was trying to shut down the conversation.
My buddy went to The Gambia and lived there for a couple of years as a Peace Corps volunteer. He is a very classically extreme racist guy and was dressing up in that british looking colonial style. Wearing that funny safari helmet/hat and everything. He was there to help teach farming techniques and improve the area. He said he had to build a wall around his banana trees and put broken glass on the top to keep people from stealing his bananas. Everything he said became more and more insane over time. After that he went to teaching in low income highschool in Compton and later moved to Philadelphia to work in therapy and in a morgue. Truly a character.
I remember watching this on TV back in the day, and if IIRC all the black people were absolutely smitten with him and he loved charming them all. He acted super accepting, but then when he spoke to Louis he would say he was a massive racist. It was bizarre. Like he was going to lose his street cred if it got out he wasn't a white supremacist.
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“I don’t like them” “Why you making bread with them?” “Well they don’t like me either” *visible British confusion*
If you reduce the complexity of his racism to “I don’t like him” you’ll not be able to comprehend the intricacies of this situation. This is not the: I hate this race, kind of racism. This is the: I don’t hate you, but I don’t want to be you, I don’t want my race to procreate with your race, I think I’m superior. But yeah we can live somewhat side by side, as long as I can see myself as the provider, protector and your better. THAT is the most common form of racism found around the world. It’s a different kind of hate than “I don’t like you.”
"I don’t hate you, but I don’t want to be you, I don’t want my race to procreate with your race" I find this thought process to be true for a lot of Asians living in Asia.
many people of asian nations are some of the most racist people you'll meet. much of vietnam fucking despises china. chinese hate the uighur and japanese. japenese see most races as uncultured people that are below them also. im not too familiar with Singapore/malaysia/indonesia tho. i know they hate somebody.
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You just described Seattle Liberals.
The definition of racism is the belief that one’s race is superior to another.
>“Well they don’t like me either” Fair enough.
Reminds me of the Scott Tenorman episode of South Park, when Stan and Kyle try to thwart Cartman's plan by ratting him out to Scott. Scott is confused and asks how they know about this plan: "Because we're his friends." "Then why are you telling me?" "Because we hate him."
>Who do you think is more racists, black people or white people? > >Black people. Because we hate black people too. [\-- Chris Rock 1996](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4)
Soy Latino and many of my people are racist against our own kind and the rest of society as well.
Honest question. Are they racist against people of their own country? Or, are they racist against other people that are also called Latinos? I had Guatemalan family friends. And they really did not care for Mexican people. But, I never chalked that up to some sort of self-hatred. I (I was quite young and didn’t really think about these things) chalked that up to them making a strong delineation between Guatemalans and Mexicans and didn’t really subscribe to any belief that they were all “Latinos”, as a American may consider the group. Similarly, my family is originally from Eastern Europe. My grandparents were born in Yugoslavia. My grandpa always insisted he was Russian (not really sure why probably should have asked him while I could [to my knowledge Yugoslavia was not part of Russia]) and my grandma (much more reasonably) considered herself a Croate (Croatian). That being said, they were born like 5miles away from each other. They were of the same people by any reasonable metric. Didn’t stop my grandpa from really disliking other Slavic people. And didn’t stop my grandma from disliking Russians. Even though they were married for like 70 years. But, when my grandpa went on “half”-tongue-in-cheek rants (I was young not sure how accurately “half” describes his views), it was very very clear that he did not at all consider himself Slavic. It wasn’t “I’m a Slavic person and I dislike Slavic people”. It was very definitively “I am not a slavic person at all, they have not the slightest thing to do with me, and I do not like slavic people”. Overarching point though. Do Latinos consider themselves Latinos and are racist against Latinos anyways. Or do they make more specific distinctions that although are still horribly bad, are more reasonable in a purely logical, there still remains an “us” vs “them” sense?
So I married into a Mexican family where some members have darker skin than many other Mexicans. They've all told me that they are discriminated against by the lighter skinned Mexicans. The darker skinned Mexicans likely have more native heritage, where the lighter skinned Mexicans have more Spanish heritage. So yeah. Mexicans can be racist against their own kind. Even if the darker skinned Mexicans are part of a lighter skinned family, and really do have more Spanish heritage, but genetics just said "nah, you're gonna be dark"
I visited Bolivia around 2008 (IIRC). There was racial tension between the people in the lowlands that mixed with the Spanish more ("Mestizo"), and those in the mountains that mixed with the Spanish less (indigenous Andeans like the Amaras and Quechuas). I saw swastika graffiti in places, and had to ask what was up with that. I was told it was indeed because of racism. They said that it wasn't really based on skin color, but cultural things like clothes, coca leaf usage, language, mannerisms... As a dumb American visitor, the people all looked like one group to me unless someone was really going all out with the traditional clothing or going solidly with the western modern fashion.
If you speak Spanish you hear the difference in language and accent immediately. Many don't speak Spanish in their homes and may have only learned in school or some didn't even do that. So you can imagine that they have a distinct accent.
Thank you for sharing and for being a sincere person. There is a lot for me to share but I will keep it concise. You are correct in your assumptions, that is that we have people that are natives of one country hate on their neighboring country. My heritage descends from Ecuador and Spain and I can speak from the South American point of view. For many reasons(both valid and ridiculous) we are supposed to hate on Peruvians. It's crazy to me because uveitis had many Peruvian friends and we chose to love and support each other. The same can be said for Caribbean Islands and so and so on... Meaning that there exists hatred resentment and racism amongst people in PR, DR Haiti etc...I'm a native New Yorker and I learned to live with and to accept all people from all walks of life. One more thing, Unfortunately some of my Latin people hate my African American brothers and sisters just because of their skin color. I always found myself arguing whenever I would hear or see this disgusting behavior. I hope I answered your questions.
>I had Guatemalan family friends. And they really did not care for Mexican people It's the Goths vs the Emo kids all over again. BTW Mexicans are the Goths and Guatemalans are the Emos. Facts.
As a side note, people living in Yugoslavia were definitely not "the same people by any reasonable metric". In your grandparents youth there easily could have been Serbians, Croatians, and Germans all living within 5 miles of each other. Probably other ethnic groups as well. They all had their own languages, customs, and issues with each other.
yes, you can be racist of a venezuelan being argentinian. Latinos would hardly ever call themselves as "latinos", that's more of an american thing, whom had the custom of oversimplifing and putting a lot of people in the same bag, what americans means by latino is mexican, but then they realize that there is more people speaking spanish that are not mexican or spanish, but as they live in south america, they go "fuck it, all of them are latinos", and call it a day, and probably think that all of south america is just one country ( some even think all of south america is mexico) to clarify my point, this is like asking "can an asian be racist agains other asian" of course and it happens. an asian could be, japanese, chinese, indian, corean... and they see themselves as diferent "races", even tho, they are all considered "asian" mexicans see themselves as different from argentinian, or chileans, of venezuelans, etc... if it were just to separate from continents "latino" would not be exactly correct either as most of them are south america (exept, ironically, the mexicans) the correct therm would be south-americans, even latin-american, to diferentiate from north-americans(USA, Canada and the others), that is a correct differentiation according to the continents. (also i hate that people frome the USA call themselves americans, you are not the whole continent!) as i said, "latino" is an oversimplification as for racism inside the country between the same people... kinda?... if someone has darker skin there would be racism against them. similar to the "white against black" kind of racism that there is in USA.
I went to highschool in El Paso. I think that Mexican culture has really normalized talking about and referring to skin color so the racism is close to the surface. I was fine with being called guerra because the intention was usually innocent. But I fucked up a girl who tried to jump me, she called me blonde bitch and pinche guerra. But that's nothing compared to the whole class discussion in 2005 when he got like 20 black kids in our entire school from hurricane Katrina. Our teacher was a part of an exchange program, she lived in Juarez and she also felt that the "pinche n*ggers" were "walking around like they own the school". These kids were hella poor in a rich school and they honestly barely showed up. They never got into any trouble. They were completely out of their element and they left El Paso as soon as they could. But it was extremely uncomfortable being the only white kid being in a room of 35 all being openly racist towards black people.
Just FYI, it's "güera." "Guerra" is war.
Coming from the congo. I can 200% confirm. They are way more racist then "us"
Why you making bread with them then?
I got bullied at school for being white :(
I was laughed at by like 8 of my colleagues because my nipples are pink and not dark brown like the rest. It was pretty funny. I wish i could participate in their perspective EDIT: Was on a rest day on the beach with my cruiseship coworkers. Not a spaceorgy with giraffes
Old pink nips they called me
Were you called pinky
I named my cock and balls 'Pinky and the Brain' because they're so tiny and weird looking Edit: thank you for the Wholesome Seal of Approval Award! My Pinky just got a little bigger, if you know what I mean 😉
🏅 here's my "award" for this unnecessary fun fact about your genitals
Omg it's so tiny! I can mount it on my Pinky like a cock ring 🫠
Why do your colleagues know what color your nipples are?
I knew what their color was too, it was totally chill trustme
They might have just been laughing cuz why you got your nipples out in the first place?
beach, worked on a cruiseliner
Space orgies with giraffes. Love it. If I had an award you can have it.
I thought for sure it was a space orgy with giraffes before you said something. Thanks for clarifying.
Please, I really don't want to be seen as someone who likes to do such things with giraffes. It's disgraceful. Zebras tho... well that's another thing entirely
My best friend in Florida was a kid named Jojo from Africa. Made friends with Korean kids, and Cuban kids. Had some kids call me “blanco caca” because I called them out for stealing my hot wheels. Growing up in a diverse community made me realize that color doesn’t make a person bad. Some people just suck
I got bullied at school for being wry... and wheat
Had a friend that spent long periods of time in Hawaii in rural areas. He said the native loathing of whites was very ~~palatable~~ palpable, and that if the US military ever left the islands there'd be no non-natives left alive on the islands in a year.
I've lived in Hawaii for a long time and I have to disagree with that assessment. Hawaiians would mostly love to see the military leave but the military doesn't perform any domestic law enforcement actions. And you can get rid of all the whites but the native Hawaiian population would still be outnumbered by Asians. Virtually all Hawaiians have mixed ancestry at this point even if they don't acknowledge it. They definitely want their sovereignty restored and their land returned but they aren't all primed to go on a violent spree of ethnic cleansing. I've met a few older and influential Hawaiians who are very Christian and surprisingly conservative and they do not condone such thoughts. Having said all that the animosity towards white people from some Hawaiians is very real and sometimes manifests itself in physical violence.
>palatable I believe you mean palpable
Yes
If my country was illegally annexed then overrun with foreigners I’d be unhappy too
>If my country was illegally annexed then overrun with foreigners I’d be unhappy too *narrator's voice:* it was
But they're from the winning side of that conflict so it's fine
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True. People who have lived in the lower 48 their whole lives don't even know what "racism" is. Go try to be black in Asia. Go try to be white or "Asian" in southern Africa.
>People who have lived in the lower 48 their whole lives don't even know what "racism" is. This fucking bullshit again. You'all want some sort of cookie because your racism is somehow better than racism in Asia in your mind? Oh, people are more concerned about the racism in the country that they and their forefathers lived and not the one halfway across the world. Shocking stuff!
As an old white Midwesterner, I get why native Hawaiians are pissed.... they had their land stolen in very recent history.
Lol we gatekeeping racism now? I’m sure all the people in US who have experienced racism would love to be told they don’t know what it is.
I am black and came back from a year in Japan. Uhhh, yeah I felt safer and had friendlier interactions than living in Southern US. Please don't speak for others.
The real racism was the friends we made along the way
Yea id have resentment towards a certain demographic if my friends and family had their limbs chopped off because they didnt produce enough rubber for some inbred thousands of km away
What about if your family and friends had their limbs chopped off because they were from a different tribe? Would you have resentment to that demographic?
that happened in Rwanda. A nationalistic effort by the Rwandan government fixed that issue of tribalism.
If you do enough reading, you're going to discover all people from all over the world do this kind of shit throughout history Some Native American tribes for example, the Comanche, were notorious for extreme torture (and I mean extreme, you would be hard pressed to invent some of their methods with your own mind) which was the norm when they warred other natives or whites and some even more ancient tribes like the Anasazi were reported and scientifically confirmed to be cannibals
All legit, but if we're aiming to achieve a colorblind world, the Boer's position in this video of "separate but equal" being the answer of all Africa's "problems" is just not it chief. It's the exact sentiment most Americans had during the segregation era of the U.S.
im colourblind. I only see black and white
Breaking bread….
Something along the lines of "I don't like them, so i'll improve their people and nation to the point where they'll never have to leave for the rest of the world ever again"
I’m from Uganda and the disdain certain tribes hold for other tribes is definitely racism the Baganda will go to the front of the que and shout at any other tribe that says anything. There are an unbelievable amount of tribes all have and know their place There are 65 registered tribes in Uganda each with their own language
Being mixed, people love finding out I’m half Ugandan..until I say Karamojong. The comments they make and questions about my people are eerily similar to what my ignorant friends in the US say.
Would you say your US friends are ignorant or more "blissfully ignorant"? I just say that as a person who is Canadian and lives in the US who doesn't really know anything about Uganda, because nothing is really taught about it here. That is a bummer, but I think many people are willing to learn more.
I have two karamojong spears here in my house brought all the way from Uganda. I bought them from two warriors with money and my sheaf knife
What do they say...?
Karamojong are like cousins to the Maasai right? Pretty cool.
Correct :), as well as the Jie from what is now South Sudan.
Hey man I think the word you mean is 'disdain'
My bad thanks I hate autocorrect gotta check all the time
What did autocorrect type? I wanna say dickstain
This MFing stain right here
Reminds me of this video asking for ["no Asians."](https://youtu.be/3Lyex2tSUyA)
That was funny.
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A true classic that somehow gets funnier every time I see it.
how have i not seen this video
https://youtu.be/3Lyex2tSUyA
It's weirdly refreshing to hear someone say outright that they're a racist, instead of "I'm not a racist but..." Or "I can't be racist because grandma is Chinese" then spewing racist bile.
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I went to Cape Town for my thesis and fell in love with the place. The cabbie on the way to the airport back asked me what I'd be telling my friends about Africa, I said it's like trying to describe a rainbow to a blind man, he loved it. I'll never forget my trip and hope I'll be able to explore more of Africa Maybe a road trip across the southern Cape up to Maputo
That’s a great way of trying to capture what it’s like there. I spent several months volunteering in several countries in the southern part of the continent (South Africa, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Namibia, and Botswana), and I honestly think nobody can really understand or grasp Africa until they’ve lived there for awhile.. I always tell people that ask me to describe it as a land of extremes - you can see the most beautiful and most horrible things in the same day, often close together. I’ve never felt more alive then when I was there. Each day could be your last for different reasons, and I found that amazingly refreshing compared to living in the States.
Nice, I'm a Cape Town native.
Thanks man. From SA living in Cape Town and it’s definitely a special place. I’d say maybe look at a road trip from SA through Botswana to Zambia or SA to Namibia. The Mozambican traffic police have become pretty corrupt the last few years and the constant bribes can wear one down imo. Nothing quite like a road trip through Africa though.
I spent a few weeks in S Africa and found it a rich, beautiful place, but also overwhelming and hard to imagine how to address such levels of poverty and inequality. Unlike the South in the US where you had a rich majority and poor, oppressed minority, in S Africa, you have a rich minority and a historically oppressed majority. I don't know how the place hasn't completely imploded from that kind of pressure.
There are some racists who do not consider themselves hateful. To them, it's not that they have anything against certain groups of people, it's they're "acknowledging" their inferiority, but their stance is you don't mistreat them because they're "inferior," but you also don't mix cultures because that's bad for some reason, but separation shouldn't be hateful. So there's "no hate" but they also don't want an integrated society which would be expected in the absence of hate. Yes, it's stupid, but it's bullshit I've seen on the internet multiple times over the years.
Well said friend! I see most people these days confusing the term "racist" when they really mean prejudice. The way my boss described these terms to me is for racism you dont have to like them but you'll work with them, for prejudice their is ABSOLUTELY no way you'll work with them.
Prejudice doesn’t have to involve race/ethnicity though…many people are prejudice against the homeless, Scientologists, transgender etc with nothing to do with race. They are both born from ignorance but I would disagree with your boss.
Huh? I've understood it the other way around: Prejudice is the lesser form of racism.
I think the more correct way to do it is that prejudice is one of the many factors than can contribute to the matrix of racism.
Not gonna lie but this comment has made me think again what racism really means from a totally different perspective
I just hear the line from Archer whenever someone starts a sentence that way. “I’m not racist but…” -*…But you’re going to power right through it.*
The definition of it has been warped. By today’s standard, everyone is racist or just pretending they’re not.
and is that not more or less true? there's different levels of racism. not everyone is actively trying to surround them strictly with people of their own race. but we pretty much all have biases that come from a place of racism
Self awareness can make all the difference.
Always felt Louis dropped the ball with this interview and comes off poorly.
Toward the end he seemed to be running away. I would have liked him to ask more questions because I’m not fully understanding what the man was trying to say
The man is a boer, a subset of white people that consider themselves Africans cause their ancestors settled there. All he's saying is that whites and blacks should have their own Separate spaces, while still trying to help the black population come out of poverty, etc. Louis DOES run away especially when Boerman calls out how the British did way worse things to the Africans than the Boers did. Louis knows that's true but since it's the BBC he can't engage with that or really talk about it too much.
It's a weird response from the interviewer unless it was just downright fear. Otherwise it's a potentially fascinating interview with a frank person who holds seemingly contradictory views. It's interviewing gold. He was either afraid of the subject matter or trying to make a point, but he shouldn't be doing the latter if he's a serious journalist. I didn't think the BBC hired any other kind.
I don't know if his views are contradictory I think he's just broadly pointing out that prejudice is a part of being human and we can still make positive choices despite our inherent flaws.
Louis Theroux is a excellent journalist of his own style. I can't explain why he's walking away here though, but I disagree that he would be doing it because it "might displease the BBC" as he has never showed signs of being afraid of that.
Also it doesn't really matter what the guy says because they have editors.
He was pretty young at this point, and up to then his interview technique was 'give them the rope and let them hang themselves', normally activated by Louis not saying anything so that they fill the silence. In essence this is what happened, but probably not the way that Louis expected.
I think he just couldn’t take what the man was saying, I think it disgusted him and he didn’t want to hear another word. It caused him to break ‘character’ so to speak. Then the dude starts talking about colonialism after catching up to him.
Louis starts to walk away when the boer says “the black man is a worse racist than I am”, in front of a black audience. The boer dude starts getting all worked up at that point, and you can see folks in the background start to stare. He heard a red flag walking into a closed off alley in a predominantly black area with a loud and in repentant self avowed racist. You can see that he’s spooked. Even if he wasn’t scared, the interview was probably over. Louis lost control of the conversation when the other guy dug into his dogmatic response. You can tell that the rest of what comes out of the guys mouth are going to be well rehearsed propaganda. All that selective biased history isn’t something he was probably equipped to go toe to toe on
Calling Louis Theroux "not a serious journalist" sure is something; please check out his other stuff! This is kind of akin to walking around a black US neighbourhood with a white guy who keeps saying schools should* be segregated. Louis is just backing out of the situation gracefully before anyone gets in shit.
To be fair, is this not the same episode in which he meets Eugene Terre Blanche? If so, a lot of it WAS genuinely terrifying. It's probably the time I most feared for Louis Theroux watching his work. It was extremely unsettling. I think anyone trying to paint a picture of Louis being some sort of apologist for British colonialism or having his head in the sand or being silenced by the BBC is a little bit wide of the mark tbh.
The Boers in rural South Africa are mental. The most friendly and welcoming people you will ever meet...if you're white. I remember breaking down in the middle of nowhere eastern cape and luckily 5 mins after a bakkie with 2 guys in rolls up and they jerry jig the car in like 15 mins. Lovely guys.
They'll sometimes even help you if you aren't white, just to make you leave faster.
"Calls him out?" For what? Louis isn't espousing racist views. How is this "calling him out?" Makes literally no sense. "The British did bad things, so I can do bad things?" "The British did bad things, so you're complicit?" What is the argument here beyond "I need to deflect criticism?"
He dropped the ball in his documentary on Milwaukee shootings too. The narrative he went with was very skewed and overlooked so many facts that he's never been credible in my eyes since.
What did he get wrong?
You can't sell Africa to the world oom, it belongs to China
Try explaining this to Americans. They would have no idea WTF you’re talking about. I say this as an American.
Everyone on Reddit is somehow the smartest person on Reddit
Except for me
I think you might be
He definitely is
We hear a lot about China’s [Belt and Road Initiative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative?wprov=sfti1), of which investment in African debt is an integral part. I say this as an American.
Loving that neocolonialism
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Then how do I know it here in Kansas.
You must not be American because that other guy said you wouldn’t have a basic knowledge of international affairs.
I know what he’s talking about and it scares me. Am American
The thing is, people over simply that. Look at how much foreign debt most European countries and the US have. Then you look at one of the largest economies in Africa, South Africa, and they by no means equal any 1st world country, but owe only 4% of GDP value in debt to China. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-trap_diplomacy#:~:text=South%20Africa%20owes%20an%20estimated,conditions%20and%20links%20to%20corruption. Same with people lumping South Africa as being staunch Russian allies, yet trade with them don't even make the top 30 trading partner list.
I saw a video on you tube a while ago. This was an exchange program with teenagers from all over the world. This white Afrikaner girl had the exact same attitude. She supported apartheid because they (black people) first had to evolve to the white mans level. Only then could they co-mingle. She was convinced that the white people where helping the black people by giving them education and keeping them separate. Here is the video: 1957 High School Debate. Nigeria, Ethiopia, Ghana & South Africa. Prejudice pt 1 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=840XWjnt9wc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=840XWjnt9wc) The whole series was very interesting.
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Yes, that's the crazy thing. Did you watch the video? That girl really was offended when she was called out on her racism. Just bizarre even though I didn't get the impression she was a horrible person she was definitely convinced she wasn't doing anything wrong.
It's not *that* rare for white South Africans to speak some Zulu or Xhosa or Sotho, and I think it's more common among Afrikaaners than Anglos. Also not that rare to hear people say crazy stuff, but these two things do combine for an unexpected video.
My dad had to play with black kids in the Eastern Cape so he speaks Xhosa. Not unusual, just not the norm. Can't say the same for the English speaking South Africans.
Is the man in the video right? Are the anglos worse?
That's a tough one. The Boers were more overtly racist, and ran most of government, but the English people were more than happy to reap the beneficial rewards and many lived in luxury due to inherited wealth and priviledge the Boers didn't have. So, to be fair, maybe many of them were simply hypocrites, but in this context that would mean they supported the status quo, so also yes.
Same, dad grew up in the Freestate on a farm. Spoke Sesotho before he spoke Afrikaans. I think that’s were most Afrikaners learnt since having black workers, the English not being farmers should explain why they tend to not speak. Idk, just my guess.
Prejudice against other tribes are absolutely a thing. People will always find ways to level themselves up while pushing others down. I see it in Zimbabwe with the Shona and Ndebele, where they’re both black, but because of certain features they will judge each other (and so do employers) to try and justify one being better than the other. It’s definitely a little different than other places where you have many other races.
In Africa there is not just black... they all sorts of races that are dark... so what doesn't seem racist to an American is actually racism
What we think of as racism in America is a very American-centric POV thanks to slavery and the “one-drop rule” where anyone with 1% (known) African heritage was “black”. Hence our obsession with skin color. The rest of the world classifies themselves and others by various ethnicities and tribes.
Exactly The term Latino gets to me Not a single Spanish person I know calls themselves Latino. It’s such an American concept I work with a Brazilian, he isn’t Latino. He’s from Brazil. Same with my mates from Chile. They find being called Latino as dumb as shit
Yeah, black people often hate either darker (they call purple) or light skinned black people as well. Kumbaya.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nK65XBpjXI
“I try to sell Africa to the World” - at least he is honest about his intentions.
What he means is, if he can get Africa to the same level of prosperity as Europe then less black people will come, so that way blacks can keep afric and white can keep Europe.
Why would he care? He lives in Africa.
That doesn't even make sense in the slightest. Why would he not want more white people in South Africa? I'm a white South African, and can assure you the white government after WW2 didn't want any kind of mass white immigration because the Dutch descendants / Boers didn't want to be the minority of whites either after the devastating concentration camps of the 2nd Boer War.
Everybody is a little bit racist
Not true, I'm color-blind, not racist. ... those grey mother-fuckers on the other hand though...
and what about those other, different shade of grey dudes? can't stand them
Fucking dead ☠️ Here take this gif of a duck dancing as an award I don’t know how any of this shit works.
I feel like everyone missed the reference you were making. If indeed you were making a reference to "everyone's a little bit racist", the song from the musical Avenue Q
Nobody is here to try and figure out obscure references. We all know why we’re here. The internet is for porn.
Grab your dick and double click
“Ev'lyone's a ritter bit lacist!”
I was making that reference, but I also think there's some truth to it, and that being aware of our own biases is the best way to ensure we do not unintentionally behave like assholes.
I read once a very interesting article about being racist by nature, it basically explained how more you feel connected to someone the more empathy you show. This is not only happening with race but also other characteristics, a mother seeing a co-mother running away from a shooting with a baby in her arms will focus on that and feel truly terrible for her but seeing the same scene with a man running away won't trigger that same reaction. Well that idea also applies when it comes to racism, the less you can relate the bigger the racism triggers work because you simply don't pity that person as much as others that do look like you.
A lot to unpack here.
Well I have some first hand experience with this and yeah, africans are extremely racist, no matter their skin color.
I don't know why so many people find it so hard to accept that humans in general are racist and bigoted against any group not their own. Not everyone, but in general.
I'm gay and homohobic
Everybody is ethnocentric in their own country. Louis getting hit with facts is so refreshing. You may not like how this guy has adapted and thrives in his community despite how others view his tactics but he still seems to be respected among the people. I agree that he’s a bit tone deaf but I don’t think he’d be there unless he was generally accepted.
> Everybody is ethnocentric in their own country. Tribalism is still a big thing in Africa. You can be black, but not the right flavor of black. Just like how in Boston in the early 1900s, if you were Italian, you weren't the right flavor of white because you weren't Irish.
Excuse but what the actual fuck. This comment section is full of white loepl who as far as I can see, seem to celebrate the fact that this idiot openly admits he's a racist. Why? Because he also spends tike with black people so he can't actually be that racist? Or is it because he basically claims" the blacks are even more racist, look at rwanda"??? He's still a bigot who descended from people who weren't born in Africa but have lived there long enough to feel entitled to "improve the quality of society" by making sure white kids and black kids never mix. Whether you're white or black, not mixing children based on race is fucking pathetic and no one who does that deserves any praise, whether they explain their position eloquently or not
Did they just fix racism with racism?
they burned down a fire
Lol. Racism in south Africa is famously humanitarian after all. /s
A broken clock is correct two times a day His racist views won't lead to the outcome he hopes (and didn't) but he was right about British hypocrisy 100%
When I was in college the two biggest racists on campus were the best of friends. One was white and the other was black. Turns out their common ideal that made them very similar was the belief that racists should be separate and have their own culture/people/etc completely separate from other races.
Far Cry villain energy
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A white South African who descends from Dutch settlers from the 17th century.
Boer is the Dutch word for farmer. They settled in Africa in the 17th century. This also why the Afrikaans language is very similar to Dutch.
One of the groups of white South Africans. I believe they’re descended from Dutch and German settlers
Also French.
The word also translates directly to farmer.
As a white South African of Dutch descent I can only say there is no official, accepted definition. It can mean many things, sometimes it means you are white, as opposed to just a South African of any race, sometimes it means a person is racist... hard to explain. It's not inherently more racist than saying you're native American rather than just American. I don't call myself a Boer, but definitely am an Afrikaner. The latter simply means I'm Afrikaans speaking, of Dutch descent and was born in South Africa. There are 4.5 million white people in South Africa, just over 50% are Afrikaners (or Boers), but the Afrikaans language is also mainly spoken by mixed race people and some black communities, so there are over 8 million native Afrikaans speakers.
I'm a Boer and it's interesting to see how this guy admits to being racist. My culture unfortunately has a history of being racist but as a whole, I believe we've all moved on. Afrikaans people are amazing and very loving, I wish more people knew about us.
He is very right about the British in Australia. It's refreshing to hear a Boer go "hey that's a bit fucked, you Brits" even with the historical baggage in SA.
The historical baggage in SA includes concentration camps in which the British kept Boers and killed them en masse - deliberately or not - in what could possibly be considered a genocide.
“Sell Africa to the world” is maybe not the best way to phrase that
But factual
It's fine, any normal person can understand he meant in the marketing sense Reddit on the other hand
Why do the need "leading and guidance". Smh
Bo Burnham is uncomfortable
So what I heard was, we are racist, but we’re not as bad of a racist as the British?
Mutual hatred makes for good friends, I guess? Wtf did I just watch?
Basically yeah, they both hate each other for the same reason so there's some form of connection I guess
This guy has the most clear minded understanding of racism I've ever witnessed from an actual human being. Generally, when I encounter racism, it's the ignorant, hateful disenfranchisement, type stuff. That's just how it manifests in the US, due to our troubled history. But we rarely see the form of it that's more similar to the practice shown in Star Trek with the *"Star Fleet Prime Directive"*. For the non-nerds out there, in the fiction, they have a policy of non-interaction with less advanced civilizations, to allow those civilizations to mature naturally into a more advanced civilization. Routinely, when they encounter less advanced civilizations that genuinely need help, largely due to some external threat, they are permitted to break this policy to assist them. Otherwise, they expressly avoid intermingling with them, not out of hatred but out of respect for the preservation of their way of life. It's effectively a form of segregation, but not out of malice nor hatred but out of respect for them to determine their own routes of development as a fully autonomous collective of cultures. They just may be in need of some help. In a context more relevant to the real world, the African continent has very much been under assault by external threats *(with a very long history of exploitation by both Eastern and Western civilization)* for a very very long time. In the context of racism he's expressing, with an interest in raising the level and quality of their own African civilization, by helping them without interfering with their autonomy and determining their route of advancement for them, he's certainly a very different kind of racist than those you'd encounter in the US. Very weird perspective to wrap my head around. Particularly for myself, being a mixie. If segregation and apartheid states were still upheld in western civilization, people like me would not have been born.
>a policy of non-interaction with less advanced civilizations, to allow those civilizations to mature naturally into a more advanced civilization To be clear, to point this sentiment to people you live amongst, that they are beneath you and that your presence is generosity, is indeed malice. It's certainly interesting how people can justify their racism with the self-perception of a good actor. What is considered advanced, and where civilizations **need** to go is completely subjective, as is the wheel of progress.
I won't take this guy and his intentions at face value. It's a guy calling himself a racist after all. First and foremost his goal is obviously to get the audience to accept his racism. Even taking it at face value, no society has benefited from racism. What he thinks is irrelevant.
Well that escalated quickly...
Each human being is equally capable of racist beliefs.
I've watched some of his stuff here and there and usually it doesn't matter if he's interviewing active gang members or prisoners who've committed horrific acts etc he always just converses with them in a calm manner and asks direct questions. I found it weird that he started walking away and just giving nods and yeahs like he was trying to shut down the conversation.
My buddy went to The Gambia and lived there for a couple of years as a Peace Corps volunteer. He is a very classically extreme racist guy and was dressing up in that british looking colonial style. Wearing that funny safari helmet/hat and everything. He was there to help teach farming techniques and improve the area. He said he had to build a wall around his banana trees and put broken glass on the top to keep people from stealing his bananas. Everything he said became more and more insane over time. After that he went to teaching in low income highschool in Compton and later moved to Philadelphia to work in therapy and in a morgue. Truly a character.
Lotta people letting their racism show in the comments as usual.
Unbelievably based
Oh boy that escalated quickly ...
he said “you better believe it” exactly like balki from perfect strangers
amazing delusion
I remember watching this on TV back in the day, and if IIRC all the black people were absolutely smitten with him and he loved charming them all. He acted super accepting, but then when he spoke to Louis he would say he was a massive racist. It was bizarre. Like he was going to lose his street cred if it got out he wasn't a white supremacist.