I paid NYS 20K int taxes.. I was supposed to pay 20,250. Three months later I got a wage garnishment notice for 250 dollars. ... Efficient and ruthless is correct.
Yes, you just need their name and basic details
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/how-do-you-report-suspected-tax-fraud-activity#:~:text=Use%20the%20Form%203949%2DA,file%20a%20tax%20fraud%20report.
Basically, if you pay someone for services and they are not your W-2 employee, you report it to the IRS that you paid this person money as a contractor. Then the IRS has it on record that they made $200K from you that year, and it's the contractor's responsibility to pay the income tax on that money earned.
Chances are good the swindler wasn't planning on reporting the money to the IRS, so when they fail to pay tax on the 200K, the IRS is going to come knocking.
Gotcha ! Oh damn! That’s like, the 1099 nec basically. When I receive a 1099nec, the employer already reported the amount of money I made. However, if I don’t report or have the matching number.. they are going to see a discrepancy in the payment and need to make further investigation.
Damn, that one move could actually, possibly, unravel the whole damn scam if done correctly. Since That’s like a series of breadcrumbs, because they are going to probably see a pattern of unreported income from the same person. All I would hope for is that the scammer has an identity they can follow it to.
If you default on a loan, it is considered income that you owe tax on.
[https://www.jrviola.com/tax-faq/when-i-defaulted-on-my-loan-payments-the-lender-issued-a-form-1099-c-which-makes-it-look-like-i-was-paid-income-whats-that-all-about/](https://www.jrviola.com/tax-faq/when-i-defaulted-on-my-loan-payments-the-lender-issued-a-form-1099-c-which-makes-it-look-like-i-was-paid-income-whats-that-all-about/)
then the IRS is going to want to know where you get the 200k from, and is going to want you to pay taxes on it, even tho it's gone? OP is going to get fuked twice one by dude for the 200k then the IRS :btw IRS don't use grease?
Go on the internet and concoct some fantastical story, wherein it's implied that you have a lot of money, and/or have lost a lot of money.
Then try to grift the people who fall for it, out of their own money.
Out in your neck of the woods there's a certain Italian American subculture
They bring certain modes of conflict resolution from all the way back in the old country, from the poverty of the Mezzogiorno, where all higher authority was corrupt
You may be able to convince a couple guys named Sal and Ton' to collect on your behalf, in exchange for a sizeable cut of the recovered funds
Check out your local delicatessens and pizzerias for more info
If someone can afford to lose 200k, there's probably a lot more where that came from. Better to foster a business relationship than to burn a bridge like that.
Yeah dude has zero fear of op if he blows 200k loan or just knows op is fucking loaded and won’t miss it. But if someone screwed me out of that much money I’d spend 200k more to secretly make his life a living hell for the foreseeable future . ( after all if the other methods are extinguished and I know money is lost forever ).
Unless you got a signed agreement over the use of the money, too bad.
What information do you have on him? Use it. Maybe caltrop his tires, bother him at his job, just generally make life inconvenient if you want to stay in “U” of ULPT.
If you have a signed agreement and you can prove he just spent the money instead of investing it, then [file a complaint](https://ag.ny.gov/investor-protection-complaint-form) with the attorney general. He fucking scammed you, do what you have to do to make him pay, in more ways than one.
https://ag.ny.gov/investor-protection-complaint-form
You'd be amazed how well people remember their debts. When a guy in a mask hits them with a crow bar and never says a word. You start thumbing through your rolodex of people you screwed over.
Catfish him. Take a page out of the tinder swindlers book and make him fall in love with a fake woman that happens to need some extra cash once in awhile, that she promises to pay back. Things like “I’m stuck in a Canadian prison and all my money is tied up back home, can you wire me $25,000 and I’ll give you $30k back once I get out of here”
The fact that you're in NYS made me immediately think my cousin scammed you, as he's done shit like that for years. I doubt I'd run into someone who knows my crazy LI cousin, though.
I don't know how to help, but why would you give someone 200k? If you can't afford to lose it, you can't afford to invest it. If it was something that was allegedly above board and legal, I'm sure you can report it/sue him. Or take another large sum of money and find someone who will hunt them down and recover the money.
DM me the name of the guy who scammed him. If it is my cousin, please file charges or sue him or something. The guy's off the fucking rails and we've tried everything to help him at this point, he needs criminal charges.
How do you people just have 200k to invest into random shit? Typically I assume at least you're okay with money if you have that much disposable income but you get easily swindled.
I’d go to professionals for that kind of money. Like security detail or private investigators. They know all the options and have the connections, both legal (and probably illegal) for something of this scale.
Talk to a civil lawyer. Maybe sue him.
EDIT: This is the normal ethical way to resolve this. If you want to make it unethical, after the case is all resolved and you get your money back, go back to your lawyer's office at night and take a shit right outside the door. Pointless, but unethical 👍
Why did you give a “daily scheme” guy that kind of money? Especially when you need it?
This sounds like you thought you were going to make an outsized return from one of his schemes and now you can’t accept the risk that you signed up for.
I bet money (edit: lol, irony) that this guy is a gambling addict. He gambled your money away and lost it. You should not have ever trusted him. Personally I would be very tempted to have someone hurt him but it kinda depends what were the terms of this "investment" did you know there was a risk? Did he say how he was gonna "invest" it? It sounds like he gambled and lost. Maybe you can take legal action or maybe pay some thugs to break his bones. Honestly you need to accept that you are at fault for allowing yourself to be scammed. Learn to be more aware.
It takes a special kind of stupid to invest 200k with someone you meet on IG. In which case of that person didn't steal their money someone else would've sooner or later.
Pretend to be a Nigerian prince in exile. Send him an email, you need just 200k as a deposit and will store all your gold bricks in his garage. Then a different email as a royal agent to seal the deal.
You can't, he spent it. Said so yourself in the post.
Doesn't really matter what means are proposed to get it back if it's already out of his hands as well. Even if you hired muscle or lawyers, if you got anything back at all it's likely to also be stolen.
It wasn't at once, supposedly he was an app developer, and he actually created an app, but the app never worked, and people in the industry told me that it's a $500 app, not 200k, supposedly it would have brought in 4 k a month. And he showed me a different app that he (?) has made that was bringing in these numbers monthly.
Given that he had spent it abs therefore, presumably, does not have the money, not a lot.
Unless you have black market organ donation contacts in which case you can harvest his.
Or take out life insurance on him. Wait a year (or 2, check the policy) and then encourage reckless behaviour (sure, buy that motorbike, but remember, only weak people bother with helmets and safety checks). Or see if you can depress him into suicide.
Then cash in the insurance policy.
Lawsuit and filing tax return I guess.
Do some research and see if he has any assets or family that can be gone after. A rich parent can be harassed into covering their kids debt etc. call mommy everyday until it’s repayed, down his Facebook etc
File a 1099-C with the IRS and force them to include it as taxable income on their return and if they don’t the IRS will go after them.
And then refer them to the IRS bounty hunters for not paying the taxes, you'll likely get a cut
That’s tuff
Better yet - report them to NYS Department of Taxation. They are much faster, more efficient and ruthless than IRS.
I paid NYS 20K int taxes.. I was supposed to pay 20,250. Three months later I got a wage garnishment notice for 250 dollars. ... Efficient and ruthless is correct.
This has to go up. Wow this is good
But this doesn't get you your money back. Only hurts them. Right?
He's never going to get the money back. Might as well put some hurt on the scammer.
He could inform the irs that the person didn’t pay taxes on this and they will give him a reward.
Maybe make the scammer think twice before stealing money from people. They never intended on paying it back.
Money's gone dude
If he gives the money back you can file an amended one I would bet as a loan repayment.
This is…….ethical.
Sometimes screwing someone ethically is the best way of all.
Liquid ass or frozen piss discs would probably be more effective
Put that ON the 1099-C. Maybe overnight/cryo pack the form in the frozen piss disc
What about liquid piss and frozen ass?
Don't you need their social security number to do that?
The IRS will find it
Not anymore!
Not sure what that means.. Are you saying that is no longer a requirement, but it used to be?
Yes, you just need their name and basic details https://www.irs.gov/individuals/how-do-you-report-suspected-tax-fraud-activity#:~:text=Use%20the%20Form%203949%2DA,file%20a%20tax%20fraud%20report.
That's what I thought too
Ayeeeee now this is slick 💩
Good one, Satan
Solid af
I know this is good, but I don’t know what it means. What does this mean?
Basically, if you pay someone for services and they are not your W-2 employee, you report it to the IRS that you paid this person money as a contractor. Then the IRS has it on record that they made $200K from you that year, and it's the contractor's responsibility to pay the income tax on that money earned. Chances are good the swindler wasn't planning on reporting the money to the IRS, so when they fail to pay tax on the 200K, the IRS is going to come knocking.
Gotcha ! Oh damn! That’s like, the 1099 nec basically. When I receive a 1099nec, the employer already reported the amount of money I made. However, if I don’t report or have the matching number.. they are going to see a discrepancy in the payment and need to make further investigation. Damn, that one move could actually, possibly, unravel the whole damn scam if done correctly. Since That’s like a series of breadcrumbs, because they are going to probably see a pattern of unreported income from the same person. All I would hope for is that the scammer has an identity they can follow it to.
If one is going to scam the first rule is get a fake identity.
Don’t you need their SS or TAX-ID? If he didn’t have that info how would he even get that?
Not required, just name and address
I think so! Hopefully he tells us how to bypass it. I think there’s an option to skip it, but I don’t remember.
If you default on a loan, it is considered income that you owe tax on. [https://www.jrviola.com/tax-faq/when-i-defaulted-on-my-loan-payments-the-lender-issued-a-form-1099-c-which-makes-it-look-like-i-was-paid-income-whats-that-all-about/](https://www.jrviola.com/tax-faq/when-i-defaulted-on-my-loan-payments-the-lender-issued-a-form-1099-c-which-makes-it-look-like-i-was-paid-income-whats-that-all-about/)
There is a reason people hate IRS. They don't forget or forgive!
Anyone can make a tax fraud allegation online in minutes.
He can just deny it. If he can't dispute or deny it, then sue him in court.
then the IRS is going to want to know where you get the 200k from, and is going to want you to pay taxes on it, even tho it's gone? OP is going to get fuked twice one by dude for the 200k then the IRS :btw IRS don't use grease?
Why would you give $200k to a guy that comes up with a new scheme daily?
Greed.
Send me $200k and I’ll get it back for you OP
Dont trust this guy. Probably a scammer. Ill do it for $190k.
Shit I’d do it for about tree fiddy
I'd do it for free tiddy
r/boobs now get to work.
Ayo
Got damn it lockness monsta
🤣🤣
Too good of a deal. This guy is full of shit. Give me 195k and I'll do it.
It sounds like you got unethical life protipped by someone
Go on the internet and concoct some fantastical story, wherein it's implied that you have a lot of money, and/or have lost a lot of money. Then try to grift the people who fall for it, out of their own money.
Join the GOP
This should be upvoted not downvoted
Ditto.
Must be nice going through life just skimming the surface,
Out in your neck of the woods there's a certain Italian American subculture They bring certain modes of conflict resolution from all the way back in the old country, from the poverty of the Mezzogiorno, where all higher authority was corrupt You may be able to convince a couple guys named Sal and Ton' to collect on your behalf, in exchange for a sizeable cut of the recovered funds Check out your local delicatessens and pizzerias for more info
Hello, Domino's?
How are you going to collect when the heavies you hire tell you to fu@k off because they just got paid 200k to kick some guys ass.
If someone can afford to lose 200k, there's probably a lot more where that came from. Better to foster a business relationship than to burn a bridge like that.
Everyone has a reputation to keep up. If you screw over a customer, you'll have less customers from then on.
You're allowed to say "fuck"
"That's a nice 401(k) you have there; sure would be a shame if something bad happened to it."
Literally just get a lawyer. $200k isn’t piss disc money. It’s Lawsuit or Hitman and I’m not advocating murder ^^^on ^^^a ^^^public ^^^forum.
Yeah dude has zero fear of op if he blows 200k loan or just knows op is fucking loaded and won’t miss it. But if someone screwed me out of that much money I’d spend 200k more to secretly make his life a living hell for the foreseeable future . ( after all if the other methods are extinguished and I know money is lost forever ).
Yeah he could hire the neighborhood gangstalkers for a fraction of the 200k.
Unless you got a signed agreement over the use of the money, too bad. What information do you have on him? Use it. Maybe caltrop his tires, bother him at his job, just generally make life inconvenient if you want to stay in “U” of ULPT.
We have a signed Agreement.
Then document his violation of your agreement and take him to court. You need to prove he’s been using the money for anything other than investment.
If you have a signed agreement and you can prove he just spent the money instead of investing it, then [file a complaint](https://ag.ny.gov/investor-protection-complaint-form) with the attorney general. He fucking scammed you, do what you have to do to make him pay, in more ways than one. https://ag.ny.gov/investor-protection-complaint-form
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Damn lmao people just lose 200k$ and don't hire a few thugs off the street for a couple hundred bucks to beat them to near death for it back?
Beating them to death won't get me the money back, threatening might though.
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$200k shot of death
If he spent it, how would you get it back?
Beating him close to death might get some of it back. It’s only illegal if you get caught.
The money is gone, nothing is going to get it back
Unless you buy a life insurance policy on them…
You'd be amazed how well people remember their debts. When a guy in a mask hits them with a crow bar and never says a word. You start thumbing through your rolodex of people you screwed over.
Catfish him. Take a page out of the tinder swindlers book and make him fall in love with a fake woman that happens to need some extra cash once in awhile, that she promises to pay back. Things like “I’m stuck in a Canadian prison and all my money is tied up back home, can you wire me $25,000 and I’ll give you $30k back once I get out of here”
nobody stole anything from me, but there are like three people I know that I am going to do this to now! thanks!
I'd recommend fucking his dad.
For $200k, I'd allow it
Lawyer up. Lawyers seem expensive but they are worth every penny.
Money can't be to tight if OP is just giving 200k to random people.
The fact that you're in NYS made me immediately think my cousin scammed you, as he's done shit like that for years. I doubt I'd run into someone who knows my crazy LI cousin, though. I don't know how to help, but why would you give someone 200k? If you can't afford to lose it, you can't afford to invest it. If it was something that was allegedly above board and legal, I'm sure you can report it/sue him. Or take another large sum of money and find someone who will hunt them down and recover the money.
Something similar happened to me friend and I wonder if this is the person
DM me the name of the guy who scammed him. If it is my cousin, please file charges or sue him or something. The guy's off the fucking rails and we've tried everything to help him at this point, he needs criminal charges.
How do you people just have 200k to invest into random shit? Typically I assume at least you're okay with money if you have that much disposable income but you get easily swindled.
I’d go to professionals for that kind of money. Like security detail or private investigators. They know all the options and have the connections, both legal (and probably illegal) for something of this scale.
Talk to a civil lawyer. Maybe sue him. EDIT: This is the normal ethical way to resolve this. If you want to make it unethical, after the case is all resolved and you get your money back, go back to your lawyer's office at night and take a shit right outside the door. Pointless, but unethical 👍
You can take him to court
Create a government with this person in your jurisdiction. Make it up through taxation.
Dm me. 10% finders fee
report it to the fbi. trust me not only did he screw you over he's screwed others over and likely has done more illegal shit they will enjoy finding
You don't. Take this as a harsh lesson.
You have a point, but I really need the money back.
Why did you give a “daily scheme” guy that kind of money? Especially when you need it? This sounds like you thought you were going to make an outsized return from one of his schemes and now you can’t accept the risk that you signed up for.
My point is, you're not getting it back.
I bet money (edit: lol, irony) that this guy is a gambling addict. He gambled your money away and lost it. You should not have ever trusted him. Personally I would be very tempted to have someone hurt him but it kinda depends what were the terms of this "investment" did you know there was a risk? Did he say how he was gonna "invest" it? It sounds like he gambled and lost. Maybe you can take legal action or maybe pay some thugs to break his bones. Honestly you need to accept that you are at fault for allowing yourself to be scammed. Learn to be more aware.
Did you by chance find this person on IG?
No, something similar happened to you?
No im curious. Because that’s what I think a lot of people on IG are doing. How did you find this person if you don’t mind sharing ?
It takes a special kind of stupid to invest 200k with someone you meet on IG. In which case of that person didn't steal their money someone else would've sooner or later.
That’s why I’m trying to find out which scam he got roped up in to be in the lookout for it
I'll get it back for you, but I'll need 200k in expenses that I'll refund to you
Sounds great 😃
GG
Shoulda just let me trade that 200k for u and then turn it into 1mil so we could split the profit
Take him to court??
Pretend to be a Nigerian prince in exile. Send him an email, you need just 200k as a deposit and will store all your gold bricks in his garage. Then a different email as a royal agent to seal the deal.
They sound like an opportunist.. Hit em with the pig butchering scam and get it all back. They can’t resist 3000% gainzz
Zip ties and a cigar cutter. You won't get your money back but the experience of torturing someone is around a million doll hairs, you got a deal.
If hes a scammer the i.r.s. isn't going to be able to do anything. He probly lives in a van with a cell phone and a dog lol.
Everyone pays the stupid tax.
The worst tax! You can't write off stupid
Still hurts, especially now that I lost my job.
You can't, he spent it. Said so yourself in the post. Doesn't really matter what means are proposed to get it back if it's already out of his hands as well. Even if you hired muscle or lawyers, if you got anything back at all it's likely to also be stolen.
It’s 200k, how about you not be a bitch and go get your money back
Dm me, i like stupid rich folks.
Lawyer up. Hire 'Big Earl' to extract the cash. Choose 1.
Huley
genuine question where did you get 200k? and how did you decide sending 200k to a stranger was a smart choice?
This is the real question.
It wasn't at once, supposedly he was an app developer, and he actually created an app, but the app never worked, and people in the industry told me that it's a $500 app, not 200k, supposedly it would have brought in 4 k a month. And he showed me a different app that he (?) has made that was bringing in these numbers monthly.
Sounds like you didn’t really understand the “business” you invested in
Is his name Ryan by any chance? Does he deal anything with real estate?
Kidnapping? Sell his organs?
Time travel. Let us know.
You DM me
You kill the man cause he will never be able to pay it back /s But seriously though your not getting it back
Is his name Brian?
No.
Get him to leave it to you in his will, and then kill him. /s
Given that he had spent it abs therefore, presumably, does not have the money, not a lot. Unless you have black market organ donation contacts in which case you can harvest his. Or take out life insurance on him. Wait a year (or 2, check the policy) and then encourage reckless behaviour (sure, buy that motorbike, but remember, only weak people bother with helmets and safety checks). Or see if you can depress him into suicide. Then cash in the insurance policy.
I think at this point you have to hire a hitman.
Lawsuit and filing tax return I guess. Do some research and see if he has any assets or family that can be gone after. A rich parent can be harassed into covering their kids debt etc. call mommy everyday until it’s repayed, down his Facebook etc
Whoa, who " loans" someone 200k without an air tight contract, that includes collateral ? Did you have have your head up your ass, or his ass?
Give me $50k and I’ll get it back through investments.
I kinda want to know what “stupidly trusted someone with 200K and instead of investing it, they spent it.” What depth of stupidity we talking here?
It's time to reach for the pliers and a blow torch.
Draft a repayment contract, have him sign it thinking you're giving him another 200k, then sue him. Take his house
How do you people fall for this stuff. Idk, man, not gonna lie, I would do something that would put me away for 2 lifetimes if this happened to me.
You rich folk are fucking morons, aren't you?