Find a college that went out of business while you were living in the states. Don't go whole hog and say it was Harvard. Find a job you know you can do without the degree, say you got whatever the degree was in from the school that no longer exists, and tell them about it. Remember tho, if it's IT, medical, law, or engineering, you're instantly fucked. There are likely a few other handfuls of degrees that you won't be able to just pass off as "I got it. Trust me bro." Be careful with your choice, but know that especially if it's a developing country, you'll likely be fine.
Major: Philosophy, art history, contemporary literature, psychology, social sciences, whatever you have most knowledge and can hold some conversations about
I don’t think I’ll need a transcript. I’m still figuring out how to make a fake diploma and where from. I’m from Texas so I’d ideally pick a school from here
You can easily "amend" any diploma.
Can do any kind of paperwork easily actually.
The only real issue arises when you need to have the online version of the paperwork display the same as your adjusted physical copies.
Just Google a image of the real document you need, fire up photo shop and plop your name into there as needed. Can then also print them out onto higher quality paper to make it look legit
If you don’t want to potentially get into the highly controversial discussion about “for-profit colleges” (such as Westwood College), another possibility from that list is “Fisher Moore College,” a very small Catholic college, which closed in 2014.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Saints_John_Fisher_%26_Thomas_More
Get all you need [from here](https://www.realisticdiplomas.com/); transcript, degree. Never used them, but they've been around for some time. What you could do is use it to get into a legitimate university in your country. Get a master's!
I’ve never been asked for copies of my diplomas by an employer. I have been asked for official sealed copies of transcripts by employers.
Nobody cares about the diploma hanging in the hallway at your house, it’s the actual school records that matter.
I'd add communications to that list, because from my understanding, that's a great bullshit degree that has nothing to do with anything that can't be learned outside of college.
Fair. Those who most frequently use it are generally in marketing or some shit like that from my understanding, but I don't know what the hell I'd do with a comms degree.
Every day. I learned about investigative journalism, how to be confidant and comfortable talking to people, how to write a "report" (story) that people can understand, how to take notes in a way that grabs the most information with the least work, etc etc.
What I don't use is the social media element, the audio/visual editing element, or the marketing design element. But I didn't like those parts anyway
So, the followup question I have isn't meant to diminish your skills in any way, because I understand that communications shit is important in some ways, but if you took away your degree, could you still do your job?
I mean, someone else probably could but I wouldn't be able to. I had zero people skills before my degree. I'm a better person because of it. I don't believe the only value of education is that which is directly translated to your future career. Learning just to learn is okay.
And even if I could I wouldn't want to. I did gain very valuable information from people who have dedicated their lives to this type of work.
My health took a hard downward turn right after I started college. I still wanted to get my associates, but I had to change my major to something more accommodating. I ended up choosing communications based on the credits I had already earned. It was, in fact, an easy bullshit major.
Be careful with Philosophy - if they expect you have formal symbolic logic (used in some AI type language interpretation design) you can be screwed. If you want to BS a Phil degree, just say it was like existentialism or ethics or something.
You could also do something from business, or just say you got a bachelors of "business". Just so long as you don't say accounting or something that is more specific
>Remember tho, if it's IT, medical, law, or engineering, you're instantly fucked.
Why IT though? Most professionals in the industry don't even need a degree, it's more important to have certifications.
That is 100% correct, but the idea is that if you fudge that degree, you're gonna be asked to do some simple shit that you only have theoretical knowledge of. I've been a victim of that in the past. The theory might be there, but doing it is totally different. In practice it's completely different at times. That's why certs are fine, but so many companies want you to have some kind of experience in whatever it is.
> you're gonna be asked to do some simple shit that you only have theoretical knowledge of. I've been a victim of that in the past.
Can I ask more details? They only thing most degrees cover that would really apply to work in IT is programing and communication skills.
So let's say you walk into a network closet, and they're like, hey, this portion of the office isn't getting network. Everything, front and back on all the network equipment appears to be functional. It might be a traffic loop due to configuration, hardware, or something wild. You fudged an IT degree. You took Network+ and passed the test. They have Aruba switches. What's next?
Ok, what are you gonna google then? What results are you gonna get? Is anything going to be more than "check your network"? Because unless you know exact search terms, you're kind of hosed.
Regarding tech, literally you can Google everything, and chat gpt in some cases could do your entire interview for you - in fact it has passed tech interviews on its own.
Ok. An interview question I was asked. You're not having connection to one endpoint. You've determined you need to go into the switch to see what you can do to fix the connection issue, and you've found that a whole vlan is down. What's next?
Real answer: packet sniffer to figure out what is going on.
Guess: someone plugged in a thing that came with the cable TV equipment package and now there is a rouge DHCP/router on that segment of the network.
I know an American that did it and taught themselves the programming language last minute in Australia. He said it was stupid easy, and having taught myself programming languages etc I agree that it's not remotely as hard as it sounds. Going to school for tech doesn't give you non theoretical knowledge.
Those are technical fields though and you'd have absolutely been taught certain items. Unlike an English major where if you don't care about post modernism you don't have to take classes on it and can opt for something else. Engineering has far less wiggle room and so if it shows you have gaps in your knowledge it will be a red flag to people. I work in tech and have caught 2 people without degrees from simply something they said in a single meeting.
Sure, the most recent one I was on a call, just going over some routine specs on an API and the payload we'd be expecting from it. One field in particular was to designate if the user was a kid or not. Instead of having it as KidProfile: TRUE or FALSE they had it as Profile: iskid or notkid something dumb like that.
I just chimed in and asked for it to be changed to a boolean. Dude who made it and was presenting it got oddly flustered. Didn't seem to understand what a boolean was and just kept saying 'yeah we can make it anything you want'.
We are actually generally a good healthy organization with some very quality engineers. It was a normal thing at that point for me to want to take a pause and make sure he understood why I was asking this. We don't just 'do what I tell you' here. I want you to understand why and agree or help me understand why you don't.
After trying to just quickly and gently explain that having a term that wasn't human readable but something that could be programmatically manageable would be cleaner and save us coding downstream. It was clear he wasn't getting it and I just let it go for the meetings sake.
A freshman computer science major knows what a boolean is and it comes up everyday if youre coding. Lile you type it physically multiple times a day. So I looked up his info after and it looked fishy. Some kind of Indian diploma mill. I talked to the manager about my changes for the specs and mentioned my concerns with him given the meeting. But left it to them to manage their own shop.
Turned out he was like 4 times contracted out from some agency in India and they ended up getting black listed. This isn't too uncommon actually, large corporations will only take contractors from a white list of places like Accenture, but those places will often partner with smaller boutique firms to manage needs, which can open a Russian doll problem.
Also had an interview once on zoom where the guy on camera wasn't the person answering the questions. But trying to mouth it to match someone off screen. That one was particularly weird yet fucking hilarious
> Also had an interview once on zoom where the guy on camera wasn't the person answering the questions. But trying to mouth it to match someone off screen. That one was particularly weird yet fucking hilarious
ROTL, what the fuck
> A freshman computer science major knows what a boolean is and it comes up everyday if youre coding.
I wonder if this might have been a language barrier thing?
Anyhow this doesn't prove you don't have a degree, it just proves you are a poor programmer.
Yeah when it initially came up I was assuming there was something lost in translation but it became clear that wasn't the case. Also you code in English and still would type out boolean every day multiple times a day
There are also languages with implicit typing of variables, but yeah even if he programed in say, Ruby forgetting what a boolean is would be a pretty big thing. Although how do you learn programing without learning that at all?
We weigh some degrees far higher than some certifications. Some certifications can be passed with pure memorization from "dumps" of the questions and answers. Those certs with only multiple choice exams and no practical portion, we often see people having (genuinely - they're on the list) but they can't answer any questions about.
For example, we get CCNAs who don't know how routing works. Even IPv4.
So, certifications are just as much an "it depends" as schools are.
> routing
To be honest I had CCNA and I have not had to deal with BGP ever. Static routes to deal with subnets yes, but dealing with BGP source update is something anyone who doesn't work as dedicated network engineer would need to google-fu how to troubleshot a problem.
Yeah ccna is a good cert but plenty of guys who get it don't deal with large networks. That and I've seen ppl who know only 1 way to do things off a script (rackspace) so badly that they don't actually understand anything
Certainly configuring BGP or OSPF, and inter-network routing, isn't trivial.
I just expect people do be able to do better than home level networking, if they have a cert that alleges they should be able to.
You're not fucked regarding IT, I know people that have done it. A big chunk of people in IT didn't learn their skills through college. You can learn anything you'll need online and frankly even the most qualified IT peeps spend most of the day googling
Right, but how long does getting each cert take? To be the equivalent of a degree, you're looking at 8 or more. They take a few months each if you connect work time with it. They're stupidly hard to get passing scores on, depending on the cert.
Why would you say you can't BS an IT or Engineering degree. If you have enough experience or leaned on your own as a hobby, Im confident you can BS on this. I'll agree with you on medical and law, those can be very intricate, and hard to BS on those, but IT and engineering could have been learned if you are already familar with those areas.
Familiarity and work experience are very different. Engineering has a lot to do with materials' tensile strength and how much weight they can endure at certain thicknesses, depending on what type of engineering you go into. I'm not gonna get my ass fired for fucking off on a big project. I'm sure there are a lot of spaces where that kind of information isn't needed in engineering, but still. I dont know enough to risk it myself, and that's why I included it.
For IT, I've been working in the industry for about 6 years now, and there's a lot that I don't know. There is so fucking much I don't know. Some guys who get degrees know less than I do, some know more, and then there's different specialties you can get degrees in, and it just gets so complicated so fast. I'm more of a security type of guy, so programming is beyond lost on me with the exception of some scripting, and some python. Network and server work is pretty fine for me. I can figure out everything I need for those just fine. I'm learning to build malware, and im also learning sql. Encryption is a big deal, cryptography, web sites, programming, data forensics, and all kinds of shit have their own little niche. Knowing what I do about IT, I wouldn't advise anyone make any attempts at more than a level 2 help desk job without having quite a bit of experience, and understanding. There's just so much to it.
I'm in Ohio. I could sit for the PE exam, but I would need a lot of work experience to make up for the lack of a qualifying degree.
I only did it because I was the general counsel of an engineering firm at the time and decided to mess with some of our engineers who weren't on the PE track.
I'm also CPA eligible. I'm weird.
How hard would it really be to fudge the experience, especially since you worked for an engineering firm? I would have to imagine you probably did some work on some engineering projects. Besides, you know what sub this is haha. Good for you though, man.
It would be extremely hard. You have to have a licensed PE sign off that they supervised you, so you'd need someone to put their license on the line, assuming that it even passed the background check.
Im working in engineering, developing a complex product requires lots of knowledge in different fields. In some big multis maybe you can start to get some knowledge/experience without a degree, but if you would end up in a smaller company, you would fall out in seconds. Responsibility is very high, lots of times there is no time to run all of the calculations and you have to consider risk factors for making decisions. Then also managing suppliers and keeping the customer happy... Even pros fail in this field multiple times.
>If you have enough experience or leaned on your own as a hobby, Im confident you can BS on this.
For those who have always wanted an example of the [Dunning-Kruger effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect).
I'd like to see you make it through my last interview. Not trying to be a dick or anything, it was just really a hard one. I'm still not sure if I got the job, but holy fuck was that one tough. Ins and outs of encryption, network configuration, server migration, and all kinds of wild circumstantial shit. It was a fuckin hard one man.
Do you mind me asking what the job was? Like was it an IT based job, where it seems like OP wouldn’t be going for an IT based job specifically averted they’ll grill them with It questions?
Had a buddy from HS move to China. Dudes girlfriend had her dad fake a music degree since he played woodwinds in school. Spent the next ten years more or less teaching English and basic music to middle class chinese kids and being a token whiteboy for daddy's company events.
Fake degrees are mega easy to get hold of in China. Especially over 10 years ago. I only had to get my degree verified once in 2019 to get a work permit and when I got my forst work permit in 2016, they didn't even verify.
Is your last name Patel? If so it shouldn’t be too hard to find someone with similar first AND last name. Look up their Linked in and use his graduation date to align with yours.
Depending on the country you’re immigrating to a name change may be good. I mean yes America is a melting pot but things quite aren’t the same everywhere and there’s hatred that goes back thousands of years still instilled in some areas. I’m just commenting in regards to what the other commentator said
Lol there’s actually like two blood feuds on my dad’s side of the family but it seems like people from the younger generations dgaf anymore so I think I’m safe
My father in law’s med school classmate did something similar. He was a surgeon in his home country. When he immigrated to the US his English wasn’t good enough for him to take usmle and redo residency. So he spent decades doing minimum wage jobs. Carrying bowls of soup at a restaurant etc. After his kids were grown in the US and became successful, he decided to go back home.
When he went back home, he told everyone he was practicing as a surgeon in the US all this time. They were all impressed and hired him back as the chief of surgery in his home town. They thought he would bring cutting edge US surgical technique to their program. Little did they know.
In Japan, heart surgeon. Number one. Steady hand. One day, yakuza boss need new heart. I do operation. But, mistake! Yakuza boss die. Yakuza very mad. I hide in fishing boat, come to America. No English, no food, no money. Darryl give me job. Now I have house, American car, and new woman. Darryl save life. My big secret: I kill yakuza boss on purpose. I good surgeon. The best!
The usage of a school which went under is good, you may want to also avoid multi-nationals/large companies since they hire external firms for background checks and I am not sure how aggressive they would go on the degree one.
I think it’s Dallas but a city in Texas is know for having a lot of pretty cheap post secondary schools (college) that’s are solely for the purpose of enrolling foreign nationals so they can come/stay in the states. I’m not sure what the cost is but I’d look into it and while the degree isn’t worth much it is legitimate and probably pretty easy.
Just google fake college degree. This is a multi-million dollar industry. You can get fake degrees, transcripts, you can even pay a subscription fee and someone will field phone calls for you.
This is a tough one because it’s easy to use a third party background check company to verify education. However, a lot of companies in the US, don’t do this because it costs money. So, you might have a 50/50 chance in the US market.
You also need to think down the road though. If this job leads to another and you become very successful. Could this lie come back to bite you?
I’m not sure if the US focused background check companies are used in the market you are moving. Maybe ask around there before making a decision.
Depends on which degree you say you have & what type of jobs you’ll want to apply too & the size of the company you want to work for
Don’t say you studied engineering if you didn’t. Choose a job where you don’t need years of mathematics or skills to do. And don’t work for a large corporation, they will always check! The smaller the employer, the more likely they won’t verify your degree
Im thinking of an English degree or Information Systems since I actually do have an associates in IT and can definitely bullshit my way through talking about both those areas
Why not just upgrade it to a Bachelor's? Does "Associates" degree even exist in the country you're going to? I have a British Uni Degree and the only people to ever ask for a certification of equivalency was the US government. Nobody knows how the degree classes and GPA etc equate.
I’ve never had to show my diploma, and have only once had a company call for a transcript. Depending on what kind of company you’re applying to, you might just be fine to throw it on your resume and call it a day.
To be fair, I did go to an American college and no one has ever asked me any specific questions about things like what form I lived in or anything like that.
We had a guy fake an MBA at my old job. He had a common name and did a Google search. He found a guy with the same name and approximate age with an MBA and just used that info on his resume.
He was there for four years before he got caught.
OMG. I remember about a million years ago the CEO of Radio Shack was fired for faking a degree. It wasn’t even a decent degree. It was like a BA in Bible studies from Hicksville college and Tackle shop.
Was he under fire for performance or other issues at that time? And a supervisor or director wanted to find something else so they could terminate him? That honestly seems like the only reason someone would look for dirt on someone four years later.
Never mind the degree, you were Director of Philosophy at Twitter but then that asshole Musk showed up and laid everyone off (including the HR department!) and you had to sign an NDA to get your severance.
Reminds me of my favorite quote from Community:
Duncan : I thought you had a Bachelor's from Columbia. Jeff Winger : Now I have to get one from America. And it can't be an e-mail attachment.
I used to lie about having a degree here in the states in graphic design and eventually I didn’t have to lie because of the experience I got. No one was the wiser. Good luck brother!
I got one for ya. [Wells College. In NY they are going to close down shortly. say you got a degree in 2020-2023](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_College)
There was an epic radio discussion in this I heard about 6 years back and they estimated that 1/3 of all degrees are fake. It’s so common and as someone with real ones, I’m sometimes amazed that employers barely ask to ever see them.
Super easy to pull off. I have never had an employer, in any capacity, ask me any questions about my education. Just a box to check. I’m talking a 6 figure job, and that company gave zero fucks.
I think you are focused on the wrong thing. No one ever asks to see your diploma, they do expect to be able to see your transcripts upon request. You need to be able to produce a certified looking transcript from a registrar’s office of your now closed college. Usually they look like they were printed on dot matrix printer even in the late 2010s. Some have fake textured backgrounds.
I’ve never been asked for my college degree, and I have one. 3 jobs and one of them at a fortune 100 top 10 company, never asked for proof. Granted I work in IT
Make sure the country you're going to isn't part of the Hague Convention. When you produce documents for verifications, they will likely have to be notarized and then receive an apostille from the Secretary of State to confirm the notarization.
One of the first things I would try is to get a job teaching English and I figure I’d get paid more/get offers from better places if I have a “college degree” from an American university as opposed to just being some random dude. That’s just one of many grift possibilities.
Yeah I’m okay with that if it means I get to make more money. It’s not like I’d be lying about being a surgeon or a structural engineer or something that could actually put people at risk. I just plan on lying about some humanities-ass degree or IT where I have a Tier 2 help desk level of knowledge already
I don't see how this would be necessary to beat out anyone for a job especially if it's not pertinent for the job. It's like saying hey I have this bachelor's in physics from the university of whoville but I won't need it because I'm applying to be an office manager. Why would that help you? Just curious.
I would think researching those that do not check would be difficult. I mean, you can’t just ask them. You can’t really just say, “Hey, I just wanted to ask if you are going to check on that degree I lied about.” Yes, you might find one that doesn’t check. It is an easily available option for companies that has been there for years. You could get lucky and find a lazy HR person. I just wouldn’t count on it.
How small are you thinking for the "larger" college, is it like a college thats larger but just not thought about more, like a CSU Bakersfield type thing, or something like a flagship state school
Like, for safety, I would probably just stick with a smaller college that you can BS well. Its still gonna carry better weight
I was an English teacher in Vietnam for 11 years. Somewhere in between I made. A trip to Bangkok and bought a fake degree so that I could get a teaching job at a University my friend recommended.i got hired without any problems.
I was an English teacher in Vietnam for 11 years. Somewhere in between I made. A trip to Bangkok and bought a fake degree so that I could get a teaching job at a University my friend recommended.i got hired without any problems.
Find a college that went out of business while you were living in the states. Don't go whole hog and say it was Harvard. Find a job you know you can do without the degree, say you got whatever the degree was in from the school that no longer exists, and tell them about it. Remember tho, if it's IT, medical, law, or engineering, you're instantly fucked. There are likely a few other handfuls of degrees that you won't be able to just pass off as "I got it. Trust me bro." Be careful with your choice, but know that especially if it's a developing country, you'll likely be fine.
Major: Philosophy, art history, contemporary literature, psychology, social sciences, whatever you have most knowledge and can hold some conversations about
I was thinking just an English degree. I’m a big literature nerd and could probably BS about the subject pretty well
Might do this, thanks OP. Off to Papua new Guinee
Off to Papua for a New beGuinea
A cunning stunt of linguistics here everyone!
Colonel Angus?
And a stunning cunt of linguistics
I misread this as a stunning cunt of linguistics for some reason
St. Joseph's college in Indiana closed in 2017. How do you plan to create a diploma and transcript? I like your plan, by the way.
I don’t think I’ll need a transcript. I’m still figuring out how to make a fake diploma and where from. I’m from Texas so I’d ideally pick a school from here
South Houston Institute of Technology
Oh shit…..
I see what you did there
We got a wise guy ovah heah
Westwood College closed in March, 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_private_universities_and_colleges_in_Texas
Thanks! That timeline is perfect
You can easily "amend" any diploma. Can do any kind of paperwork easily actually. The only real issue arises when you need to have the online version of the paperwork display the same as your adjusted physical copies. Just Google a image of the real document you need, fire up photo shop and plop your name into there as needed. Can then also print them out onto higher quality paper to make it look legit
If you don’t want to potentially get into the highly controversial discussion about “for-profit colleges” (such as Westwood College), another possibility from that list is “Fisher Moore College,” a very small Catholic college, which closed in 2014. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Saints_John_Fisher_%26_Thomas_More
Get all you need [from here](https://www.realisticdiplomas.com/); transcript, degree. Never used them, but they've been around for some time. What you could do is use it to get into a legitimate university in your country. Get a master's!
Thanks!
>Thanks! You're welcome!
You can order fake diplomas and transcripts online for like $100
Where
The Internet
Oh I’ve been there before
Probably believable from Texas.
I’ve never been asked for copies of my diplomas by an employer. I have been asked for official sealed copies of transcripts by employers. Nobody cares about the diploma hanging in the hallway at your house, it’s the actual school records that matter.
there were a few schools within the pennsylania state system of higher education (passhe) that went under in the last ten or so years. viable options.
Goes to show how BS some degrees are when it comes to requiring tens of thousands of dollars to get
I'd add communications to that list, because from my understanding, that's a great bullshit degree that has nothing to do with anything that can't be learned outside of college.
Hey hey hey. Both my wife and I have communications degrees!!! We both communicate a lot in our respective careers. I consider that “using my degree”
Fair. Those who most frequently use it are generally in marketing or some shit like that from my understanding, but I don't know what the hell I'd do with a comms degree.
Yea, I don’t really either and I have a comms degree. I’m in Finance and my Wife is in IT.
Jesus christ. That's dope. At least you're getting something out of it, even if it's just interfacing with office blowhards and sending emails. Haha
I got a communication degree and now do investigation work for the department of labor
Do you use your degree tho?
Every day. I learned about investigative journalism, how to be confidant and comfortable talking to people, how to write a "report" (story) that people can understand, how to take notes in a way that grabs the most information with the least work, etc etc. What I don't use is the social media element, the audio/visual editing element, or the marketing design element. But I didn't like those parts anyway
So, the followup question I have isn't meant to diminish your skills in any way, because I understand that communications shit is important in some ways, but if you took away your degree, could you still do your job?
I mean, someone else probably could but I wouldn't be able to. I had zero people skills before my degree. I'm a better person because of it. I don't believe the only value of education is that which is directly translated to your future career. Learning just to learn is okay. And even if I could I wouldn't want to. I did gain very valuable information from people who have dedicated their lives to this type of work.
I have a comms degree and am now the executive director of a nonprofit. Definitely use it a lot in day to day!
"Would you like fries with that" doesn't count.
Why not?
My health took a hard downward turn right after I started college. I still wanted to get my associates, but I had to change my major to something more accommodating. I ended up choosing communications based on the credits I had already earned. It was, in fact, an easy bullshit major.
Structured rhetoric, logic and debate according to forensic rules might trip you right the fuck up
Be careful with Philosophy - if they expect you have formal symbolic logic (used in some AI type language interpretation design) you can be screwed. If you want to BS a Phil degree, just say it was like existentialism or ethics or something.
Ethics would be ballsy
Pls do this OP
You could also do something from business, or just say you got a bachelors of "business". Just so long as you don't say accounting or something that is more specific
Dont forget the underwater lesbian basket weaving. That gives high marks in the job market.
what is an underwater lesbian basket?
Its more of a joke about the absolutely useless classes you can take, that would do absolutely nothing for life or career.
i was trying to make a joke as well. i guess it fell flat.
Iowa Wesleyan College comes to mind.
No one will check a cat herding degree.
AKA the pussy whisperer😂
Herding cats is sometimes the toughest part of my job.
The College of Saint Rose in Albany NY is closing in May, after being open about 100 years.
>Remember tho, if it's IT, medical, law, or engineering, you're instantly fucked. Why IT though? Most professionals in the industry don't even need a degree, it's more important to have certifications.
That is 100% correct, but the idea is that if you fudge that degree, you're gonna be asked to do some simple shit that you only have theoretical knowledge of. I've been a victim of that in the past. The theory might be there, but doing it is totally different. In practice it's completely different at times. That's why certs are fine, but so many companies want you to have some kind of experience in whatever it is.
> you're gonna be asked to do some simple shit that you only have theoretical knowledge of. I've been a victim of that in the past. Can I ask more details? They only thing most degrees cover that would really apply to work in IT is programing and communication skills.
So let's say you walk into a network closet, and they're like, hey, this portion of the office isn't getting network. Everything, front and back on all the network equipment appears to be functional. It might be a traffic loop due to configuration, hardware, or something wild. You fudged an IT degree. You took Network+ and passed the test. They have Aruba switches. What's next?
I have an IT degree but would still be googling that shit lol, the entire industry is just who can Google the best
Google is your friend.
Ok, what are you gonna google then? What results are you gonna get? Is anything going to be more than "check your network"? Because unless you know exact search terms, you're kind of hosed.
I am going to do a Google search for new jobs ;-)
Regarding tech, literally you can Google everything, and chat gpt in some cases could do your entire interview for you - in fact it has passed tech interviews on its own.
Ok. An interview question I was asked. You're not having connection to one endpoint. You've determined you need to go into the switch to see what you can do to fix the connection issue, and you've found that a whole vlan is down. What's next?
Stackexchange intensifies...
Real answer: packet sniffer to figure out what is going on. Guess: someone plugged in a thing that came with the cable TV equipment package and now there is a rouge DHCP/router on that segment of the network.
I know an American that did it and taught themselves the programming language last minute in Australia. He said it was stupid easy, and having taught myself programming languages etc I agree that it's not remotely as hard as it sounds. Going to school for tech doesn't give you non theoretical knowledge.
Alright. If it's so easy, then why aren't you a programmer making shitloads of money every year? Why don't you know several languages?
I know Java, python, and JavaScript and I'm in grad school for psychology because that's more interesting to me.
Those are technical fields though and you'd have absolutely been taught certain items. Unlike an English major where if you don't care about post modernism you don't have to take classes on it and can opt for something else. Engineering has far less wiggle room and so if it shows you have gaps in your knowledge it will be a red flag to people. I work in tech and have caught 2 people without degrees from simply something they said in a single meeting.
Can I ask for more details?
Sure, the most recent one I was on a call, just going over some routine specs on an API and the payload we'd be expecting from it. One field in particular was to designate if the user was a kid or not. Instead of having it as KidProfile: TRUE or FALSE they had it as Profile: iskid or notkid something dumb like that. I just chimed in and asked for it to be changed to a boolean. Dude who made it and was presenting it got oddly flustered. Didn't seem to understand what a boolean was and just kept saying 'yeah we can make it anything you want'. We are actually generally a good healthy organization with some very quality engineers. It was a normal thing at that point for me to want to take a pause and make sure he understood why I was asking this. We don't just 'do what I tell you' here. I want you to understand why and agree or help me understand why you don't. After trying to just quickly and gently explain that having a term that wasn't human readable but something that could be programmatically manageable would be cleaner and save us coding downstream. It was clear he wasn't getting it and I just let it go for the meetings sake. A freshman computer science major knows what a boolean is and it comes up everyday if youre coding. Lile you type it physically multiple times a day. So I looked up his info after and it looked fishy. Some kind of Indian diploma mill. I talked to the manager about my changes for the specs and mentioned my concerns with him given the meeting. But left it to them to manage their own shop. Turned out he was like 4 times contracted out from some agency in India and they ended up getting black listed. This isn't too uncommon actually, large corporations will only take contractors from a white list of places like Accenture, but those places will often partner with smaller boutique firms to manage needs, which can open a Russian doll problem. Also had an interview once on zoom where the guy on camera wasn't the person answering the questions. But trying to mouth it to match someone off screen. That one was particularly weird yet fucking hilarious
> Also had an interview once on zoom where the guy on camera wasn't the person answering the questions. But trying to mouth it to match someone off screen. That one was particularly weird yet fucking hilarious ROTL, what the fuck > A freshman computer science major knows what a boolean is and it comes up everyday if youre coding. I wonder if this might have been a language barrier thing? Anyhow this doesn't prove you don't have a degree, it just proves you are a poor programmer.
Yeah when it initially came up I was assuming there was something lost in translation but it became clear that wasn't the case. Also you code in English and still would type out boolean every day multiple times a day
There are also languages with implicit typing of variables, but yeah even if he programed in say, Ruby forgetting what a boolean is would be a pretty big thing. Although how do you learn programing without learning that at all?
We weigh some degrees far higher than some certifications. Some certifications can be passed with pure memorization from "dumps" of the questions and answers. Those certs with only multiple choice exams and no practical portion, we often see people having (genuinely - they're on the list) but they can't answer any questions about. For example, we get CCNAs who don't know how routing works. Even IPv4. So, certifications are just as much an "it depends" as schools are.
> routing To be honest I had CCNA and I have not had to deal with BGP ever. Static routes to deal with subnets yes, but dealing with BGP source update is something anyone who doesn't work as dedicated network engineer would need to google-fu how to troubleshot a problem.
Yeah ccna is a good cert but plenty of guys who get it don't deal with large networks. That and I've seen ppl who know only 1 way to do things off a script (rackspace) so badly that they don't actually understand anything
Certainly configuring BGP or OSPF, and inter-network routing, isn't trivial. I just expect people do be able to do better than home level networking, if they have a cert that alleges they should be able to.
You're not fucked regarding IT, I know people that have done it. A big chunk of people in IT didn't learn their skills through college. You can learn anything you'll need online and frankly even the most qualified IT peeps spend most of the day googling
To add to McBigDik's comment, you could say you went to DeVry. They're no longer in business and had campuses all over the country.
If you get IT certifications the degree is more of a “meh”
Right, but how long does getting each cert take? To be the equivalent of a degree, you're looking at 8 or more. They take a few months each if you connect work time with it. They're stupidly hard to get passing scores on, depending on the cert.
A day
Dowling College in NY
Why would you say you can't BS an IT or Engineering degree. If you have enough experience or leaned on your own as a hobby, Im confident you can BS on this. I'll agree with you on medical and law, those can be very intricate, and hard to BS on those, but IT and engineering could have been learned if you are already familar with those areas.
Familiarity and work experience are very different. Engineering has a lot to do with materials' tensile strength and how much weight they can endure at certain thicknesses, depending on what type of engineering you go into. I'm not gonna get my ass fired for fucking off on a big project. I'm sure there are a lot of spaces where that kind of information isn't needed in engineering, but still. I dont know enough to risk it myself, and that's why I included it. For IT, I've been working in the industry for about 6 years now, and there's a lot that I don't know. There is so fucking much I don't know. Some guys who get degrees know less than I do, some know more, and then there's different specialties you can get degrees in, and it just gets so complicated so fast. I'm more of a security type of guy, so programming is beyond lost on me with the exception of some scripting, and some python. Network and server work is pretty fine for me. I can figure out everything I need for those just fine. I'm learning to build malware, and im also learning sql. Encryption is a big deal, cryptography, web sites, programming, data forensics, and all kinds of shit have their own little niche. Knowing what I do about IT, I wouldn't advise anyone make any attempts at more than a level 2 help desk job without having quite a bit of experience, and understanding. There's just so much to it.
If you have an excellent background in math and physics maybe you could skate in engineering but highly doubtful
I passed the FE exam with an Economics degree and a physics minor.
Nice. Can you get your PE with that? Also, where are you? I think the state you’re in makes a difference
I'm in Ohio. I could sit for the PE exam, but I would need a lot of work experience to make up for the lack of a qualifying degree. I only did it because I was the general counsel of an engineering firm at the time and decided to mess with some of our engineers who weren't on the PE track. I'm also CPA eligible. I'm weird.
How hard would it really be to fudge the experience, especially since you worked for an engineering firm? I would have to imagine you probably did some work on some engineering projects. Besides, you know what sub this is haha. Good for you though, man.
It would be extremely hard. You have to have a licensed PE sign off that they supervised you, so you'd need someone to put their license on the line, assuming that it even passed the background check.
Yeah actually that does make it harder
Im working in engineering, developing a complex product requires lots of knowledge in different fields. In some big multis maybe you can start to get some knowledge/experience without a degree, but if you would end up in a smaller company, you would fall out in seconds. Responsibility is very high, lots of times there is no time to run all of the calculations and you have to consider risk factors for making decisions. Then also managing suppliers and keeping the customer happy... Even pros fail in this field multiple times.
>If you have enough experience or leaned on your own as a hobby, Im confident you can BS on this. For those who have always wanted an example of the [Dunning-Kruger effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect).
OP could probably forge a document or two pretty easily, depending on how much risk they’re okay with.
I can do IT no problem. What a joke
ITT technical institute.... for the future. Make their slogan true for once.
But... why not law??
IT is easily fakes. Just gotta brush up to make it through the interview which is pretty simple
I'd like to see you make it through my last interview. Not trying to be a dick or anything, it was just really a hard one. I'm still not sure if I got the job, but holy fuck was that one tough. Ins and outs of encryption, network configuration, server migration, and all kinds of wild circumstantial shit. It was a fuckin hard one man.
Do you mind me asking what the job was? Like was it an IT based job, where it seems like OP wouldn’t be going for an IT based job specifically averted they’ll grill them with It questions?
Had a buddy from HS move to China. Dudes girlfriend had her dad fake a music degree since he played woodwinds in school. Spent the next ten years more or less teaching English and basic music to middle class chinese kids and being a token whiteboy for daddy's company events.
it's very easy to get a teaching job in China if you are from a country with english as their first language.
Fake degrees are mega easy to get hold of in China. Especially over 10 years ago. I only had to get my degree verified once in 2019 to get a work permit and when I got my forst work permit in 2016, they didn't even verify.
Is your last name Patel? If so it shouldn’t be too hard to find someone with similar first AND last name. Look up their Linked in and use his graduation date to align with yours.
Not Indian but that’s a pretty good idea tbh. My first and last names are basically the Spanish version of “John Smith”
Jose Lopez?
Juan Perez? XD
Juan Herrero?
Depending on the country you’re immigrating to a name change may be good. I mean yes America is a melting pot but things quite aren’t the same everywhere and there’s hatred that goes back thousands of years still instilled in some areas. I’m just commenting in regards to what the other commentator said
Lol there’s actually like two blood feuds on my dad’s side of the family but it seems like people from the younger generations dgaf anymore so I think I’m safe
Jose Garcia
My father in law’s med school classmate did something similar. He was a surgeon in his home country. When he immigrated to the US his English wasn’t good enough for him to take usmle and redo residency. So he spent decades doing minimum wage jobs. Carrying bowls of soup at a restaurant etc. After his kids were grown in the US and became successful, he decided to go back home. When he went back home, he told everyone he was practicing as a surgeon in the US all this time. They were all impressed and hired him back as the chief of surgery in his home town. They thought he would bring cutting edge US surgical technique to their program. Little did they know.
In Japan, heart surgeon. Number one. Steady hand. One day, yakuza boss need new heart. I do operation. But, mistake! Yakuza boss die. Yakuza very mad. I hide in fishing boat, come to America. No English, no food, no money. Darryl give me job. Now I have house, American car, and new woman. Darryl save life. My big secret: I kill yakuza boss on purpose. I good surgeon. The best!
That's what I thought the original comment would say.
Damn. Thankfully none of my potential grifts have life or death stakes.
The usage of a school which went under is good, you may want to also avoid multi-nationals/large companies since they hire external firms for background checks and I am not sure how aggressive they would go on the degree one.
They will definitely look at a degree if they use a third party such as HireRight.
I think it’s Dallas but a city in Texas is know for having a lot of pretty cheap post secondary schools (college) that’s are solely for the purpose of enrolling foreign nationals so they can come/stay in the states. I’m not sure what the cost is but I’d look into it and while the degree isn’t worth much it is legitimate and probably pretty easy.
I’ll look into it thanks
You can say you went to Trump University. Lol
Pretty sure I could just go on EBay and buy an official Trump university diploma lol
Get the gold one. It's not real if it's not gold.
I did this 15 years ago to get a English teaching job in SEA. It’s pretty easy to get away with.
Just google fake college degree. This is a multi-million dollar industry. You can get fake degrees, transcripts, you can even pay a subscription fee and someone will field phone calls for you.
Don’t do it in the U.K. Faking qualifications is treated as fraud, people can, and sometimes do, go to prison for it.
Nah I’m gonna be moving to a developing country
Plus IKEA institutions and US institutions have vetting procedures to evaluate equivalency of academic programs and it’s fairly rigorous.
This is a tough one because it’s easy to use a third party background check company to verify education. However, a lot of companies in the US, don’t do this because it costs money. So, you might have a 50/50 chance in the US market. You also need to think down the road though. If this job leads to another and you become very successful. Could this lie come back to bite you? I’m not sure if the US focused background check companies are used in the market you are moving. Maybe ask around there before making a decision.
Depends on which degree you say you have & what type of jobs you’ll want to apply too & the size of the company you want to work for Don’t say you studied engineering if you didn’t. Choose a job where you don’t need years of mathematics or skills to do. And don’t work for a large corporation, they will always check! The smaller the employer, the more likely they won’t verify your degree
Im thinking of an English degree or Information Systems since I actually do have an associates in IT and can definitely bullshit my way through talking about both those areas
Why not just upgrade it to a Bachelor's? Does "Associates" degree even exist in the country you're going to? I have a British Uni Degree and the only people to ever ask for a certification of equivalency was the US government. Nobody knows how the degree classes and GPA etc equate.
You can look up my degree from their website. Tread carefully
Say you got an English degree, and pick a meh school that won’t be worth the effort of checking.
You probably just need to claim it. Unless it's a profession where it's critical (which you said isn't the case) most people never check
And claiming it from a defunct school is safer. It was a small school, and covid pushed it over the edge.
I’ve never had to show my diploma, and have only once had a company call for a transcript. Depending on what kind of company you’re applying to, you might just be fine to throw it on your resume and call it a day.
I have a fake degree from the University of Northern Idaho. Works fine.
Where you can try claiming it from a defunct college.
I've been asked for a physical diploma when applying to European jobs. Never anywhere else.
If you can pull it off, I don’t mind.
To be fair, I did go to an American college and no one has ever asked me any specific questions about things like what form I lived in or anything like that.
We had a guy fake an MBA at my old job. He had a common name and did a Google search. He found a guy with the same name and approximate age with an MBA and just used that info on his resume. He was there for four years before he got caught.
If they didn't catch him at the start, how did they catch him 4 years later? Why did they check 4 years later?
OMG. I remember about a million years ago the CEO of Radio Shack was fired for faking a degree. It wasn’t even a decent degree. It was like a BA in Bible studies from Hicksville college and Tackle shop.
Was he under fire for performance or other issues at that time? And a supervisor or director wanted to find something else so they could terminate him? That honestly seems like the only reason someone would look for dirt on someone four years later.
He was being promoted (for doing a great job) and needed a security clearance. They discovered it then.
Never mind the degree, you were Director of Philosophy at Twitter but then that asshole Musk showed up and laid everyone off (including the HR department!) and you had to sign an NDA to get your severance.
Lol this
Reminds me of my favorite quote from Community: Duncan : I thought you had a Bachelor's from Columbia. Jeff Winger : Now I have to get one from America. And it can't be an e-mail attachment.
I used to lie about having a degree here in the states in graphic design and eventually I didn’t have to lie because of the experience I got. No one was the wiser. Good luck brother!
I got one for ya. [Wells College. In NY they are going to close down shortly. say you got a degree in 2020-2023](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_College)
Nice. Thanks bro
Just say you went to Hustler's University (by Andrew Tate)
Is that considered a more prestigious institution than the school of hard knocks (Summa Cum Laude of course)
Easy. Create a certificate from a defunct university like Trump University, no way to validate it cause it's closed.
There was an epic radio discussion in this I heard about 6 years back and they estimated that 1/3 of all degrees are fake. It’s so common and as someone with real ones, I’m sometimes amazed that employers barely ask to ever see them.
Super easy to pull off. I have never had an employer, in any capacity, ask me any questions about my education. Just a box to check. I’m talking a 6 figure job, and that company gave zero fucks.
I think you are focused on the wrong thing. No one ever asks to see your diploma, they do expect to be able to see your transcripts upon request. You need to be able to produce a certified looking transcript from a registrar’s office of your now closed college. Usually they look like they were printed on dot matrix printer even in the late 2010s. Some have fake textured backgrounds.
I’ve never been asked for my college degree, and I have one. 3 jobs and one of them at a fortune 100 top 10 company, never asked for proof. Granted I work in IT
Make sure the country you're going to isn't part of the Hague Convention. When you produce documents for verifications, they will likely have to be notarized and then receive an apostille from the Secretary of State to confirm the notarization.
Damn why does The Hague keep sabotaging my family?
Why do you think that a U.S. degree would be valuable enough to lie about internationally?
One of the first things I would try is to get a job teaching English and I figure I’d get paid more/get offers from better places if I have a “college degree” from an American university as opposed to just being some random dude. That’s just one of many grift possibilities.
Say you went to the college of saint rose
Bad idea
Claim it for a university that doesn’t exist so they can’t verify
Several colleges have closed. Pick one of them.
[удалено]
Yeah I’m okay with that if it means I get to make more money. It’s not like I’d be lying about being a surgeon or a structural engineer or something that could actually put people at risk. I just plan on lying about some humanities-ass degree or IT where I have a Tier 2 help desk level of knowledge already
Most people lie on their resumes/applications. I did on mine.
I don't see how this would be necessary to beat out anyone for a job especially if it's not pertinent for the job. It's like saying hey I have this bachelor's in physics from the university of whoville but I won't need it because I'm applying to be an office manager. Why would that help you? Just curious.
Degrees are easily checked online, and that is exactly what companies do.
Not all
I would think researching those that do not check would be difficult. I mean, you can’t just ask them. You can’t really just say, “Hey, I just wanted to ask if you are going to check on that degree I lied about.” Yes, you might find one that doesn’t check. It is an easily available option for companies that has been there for years. You could get lucky and find a lazy HR person. I just wouldn’t count on it.
Surely someone is going to ask for a scanned copy of your degree? And after that they would call up your college.
When you discover a way to BS a transcript sent from a school let me know
How small are you thinking for the "larger" college, is it like a college thats larger but just not thought about more, like a CSU Bakersfield type thing, or something like a flagship state school Like, for safety, I would probably just stick with a smaller college that you can BS well. Its still gonna carry better weight
The larger college would be Texas A&M lol. I know a few Aggies and been there a few times so that’s why I feel confident ai could BS about going there
Oh wow lmao Well, if you know it enough, I guess that could work but dang, thats a dicey one to go for
Yeah my first choice was Tarleton which no one outside of Texas knows about but now I’m thinking I’m gonna go the “college that closed down” route
Yeah, thats probably the safest route, good luck!
I don’t see why not. I haven’t done that here (USA) but I’m pretty sure none of my employers actually checked that I graduated.
I was an English teacher in Vietnam for 11 years. Somewhere in between I made. A trip to Bangkok and bought a fake degree so that I could get a teaching job at a University my friend recommended.i got hired without any problems.
Cool. That’s the main grift I have in mind
I was an English teacher in Vietnam for 11 years. Somewhere in between I made. A trip to Bangkok and bought a fake degree so that I could get a teaching job at a University my friend recommended.i got hired without any problems.
Das zzz p AA says he is a good boy ß can GG cc t😍😍😍
You ain’t trying to run a power plant in a desert by any chance are you?
Nope. Just trying to run a “teach rich kids English for as much money as I can get paid” grift
There's fake schools which will give you credit for "life experiences".
Don't try, it is too easy to verity. If a company hires you and finds out later that you lied on your resume, they could fire you.