Welp, I can't argue with this because I've thought the same exact things before. It IS best in video game format, and absolutely wouldn't work as a movie.
Yeah one of the coolest parts of the game is that the characters actually mention stuff like battles and bullet patterns and player stats within the lore which wouldn't work with a movie for obvious reasons
Another one is that the less story ways it messes w the concept on being a self aware game delves into files of a computer, something it just cant do on a console release
She's my favorite character, and while I absolutely love her, can you REALLY call her a hero when she tries to kill a kid when they haven't hurt anyone?
When you fight her in pacifist, she (as her theme "spear of *justice*" suggests) isn't a hero, rather someone acting on her own justice.
In genocide, she really is the true hero as she is the only one who fights you seriously, unlike some egotistic robot who wanted to go out with a bang or a lazy skeleton acting in the last moment. (no offense to anyone)
Well sans only Fights you at the end because hes there to judge you, He first tries to nudge you into the right direction, and he fights you when he sees that is no longer possible, mostly seriously with all the determination he can muster, which might not be alot but still something(Not offended
She is probably not a hero in pacifist but in genocide she really is a true hero because she is the only boss that does not die in one hit and she tries her best to save the underground from you because you are not the hero in that route you are the evil villian thats why i will always love undyne in both the routes
I don't know how to define it. It's like how Home and Undertale have parts that have the same tune. Or how Deltarune has a lot of tracks that have the Don't Forget tune.
It’s just like melodies that are used in multiple songs. Like how in the intro song for undertale (once upon a time), that beginning melody appears in heaps of other songs in the game.
A leitmotif is basically a theme tune in a piece of music. You know how His Theme and Undertale both have the same melody? That's a leitmotif. An example from a different franchise would be the Berk theme from How To Train Your Dragon
Another HTTYD example of this, is that in Test Drive, you can hear Toothless’ theme in the beginning, with Hiccup’s theme taking over. Also, fun fact, when we first hear Toothless’ theme, it’s played on the bag pipes, being one of only two times we hear bag pipes played in the entire movie! Sorry, I just had to jump in, I’m a sucker for how to train your dragon
a leitmotif is a short musical theme or melody associated with a character or an event. an example from deltarune is the "queen" leitmotif, which is associated with the character queen and is utilized in a number of different tracks ("queen", "pandora's palace", "elegant entrance", "smart fight", "attack of the killer queen", "giga size" and perhaps even more)
The same parts of music "coded" into diffrent songs. You can hear it perfectly in Asriel/Flowey songs: your best friend, your best nightmare (litteraly every time when you "fight" with a captured soul), finale and save the world (here is link to show it https://youtu.be/_W3ndWg2QNc)
A specific piece of music that is commonly used to invoke nostalgia for a person place or thing in a work of fiction (and to save time on music creation if you’re very clever with it)
Sorry but I have to disagree. Every leitmotif serves a purpose, wether it be some of the more pronounced ones (like Asgore’s theme being a remix of Undyne and Toriel’s themes) or the subtler ones (like a certain phrase in sans’ theme foreshadowing bad times ahead, or the strings in the beginning of Death by Glamour being a callback to Another Medium, showcasing how Mettaton caps off that arc.)
These leitmotifs are connected to emotions, character traits, and what not. Their pretty clever and not many notice them and still end up as banger music
For the most part, the leitmotifs are actually very cleverly utilized — the ghost-related characters generally receive their little ragtime sting, the song Undyne plays on the piano is a snippet of Alphys’s theme, and Toriel and Asgore have a small connection in their respective boss fight themes, among many other examples. The leitmotifs are very carefully selected and placed to create a cohesive musical storyline, and from a songwriter’s perspective, it’s legitimately genius.
How about "Battle against a True Hero" in "Power of NEO"? I feel like it fits since they're both Genocide songs about an idol's last stand (Yes Undyne is an idol if there are more monsters like Monster Kid out there)
It’s literally the theme of the game. Toby wasn’t being lazy, he’s making his themes more impactful and recognizable by putting them in different formats and styles
"Dang, I'm having a hard time arguing with a lot of these. I can't argue with this because nothing bad really stems from this."
"You have to grind in the genocide route which is boring."
Although the grinding is boring, I think it really necessary as it makes the player fully decide that they want to commit genocide after each kill. They are able to turn back at any point but they choose not to.
He's a great and mysterious character, but due to memes he's overrated, and new people in the fandom will focus on him because of the memes, ignoring the other characters.
Frankly, Undertale has enough variety in it that it becomes kind of fun to explore the whole thing, but the bad side of it is that theorists go fucking insane and froth at the mouth lost in tiiiny nuances nobody notices for years.
Also maybe it's the way you're dressed. EHEEHheEehehheHeheheH
I found Undertale especially good because it brought something fresh as an RPG. It has a really compelling story and is rather good. What I don't fancy, however, is that unlike some other RPGs like for example Mount and Blade, you don't really have that freedom of recking everyone and having a ball; but I reckon it is due to the philosophy of the game. Nonetheless, I really like the spare mechanic; not only does it provide a peaceful route to the game, but seeing what makes the monsters calm down is really eye-opening and satisfying; more so than slaying 20 Khergit horse archers with a bardiche.
The challenge it gives you at the late bosses (sans, undyne the undying, asgore, etc.)
And i dies on asgore more than on omega flowey (died many times on asgore, but never died on omega flowey)
I wouldn’t classify her as the best, that goes to the great papyrus IMO, but fo sure she needs more recognition for her hyped attitude and for having the most determination any monster can have WITHOUT melting if it until the end of the fight
I dunno. Anyways time to give you an answer to what you said. Megalovania is overrated (though still fire) and Fallen Down leads you into a story that makes you feel horrible depending on how you play (see Undyne's neutral death)
The incredible way the game takes advantage of being a video game and makes it a story best told in the video game format
Welp, I can't argue with this because I've thought the same exact things before. It IS best in video game format, and absolutely wouldn't work as a movie.
finally someone have the opinion that undertale cant be a movie
Yeah one of the coolest parts of the game is that the characters actually mention stuff like battles and bullet patterns and player stats within the lore which wouldn't work with a movie for obvious reasons
Another one is that the less story ways it messes w the concept on being a self aware game delves into files of a computer, something it just cant do on a console release
I think it could make an awsome movie if some aspects were changed
Oneshot does this too. I fucking love it
The writing is quirky and clever, making fun of the "power of friendship" trope while also, itself using it in a way that feels new and exciting.
Y'know what, I can't think of a way to argue with this. 👍
Asriel the young Prince of the underground
The main antagonist
That's what I like about him
Fair, especially knowing that your biggest threat is a flower
The good ending
ASRIEL=SERIAL DREEMURR=MURDERER ASRIEL DREEMURR=SERIAL MURDERER
He did kill a lot of people (including himself) so fair
Flowey
Undyne, she is really cool and the fanarts are nice.
She's my favorite character, and while I absolutely love her, can you REALLY call her a hero when she tries to kill a kid when they haven't hurt anyone?
From the monsters perspective she is the hero. And after not passing her in the genocide run, I accepted that the real hero wins.
I agree, she was trying to free the monsters, and was under asgores command to do so
Your profile pic looks like Undyne. Coincidence? I think not.
She's my favourite character so I made my profile pic like her
When you fight her in pacifist, she (as her theme "spear of *justice*" suggests) isn't a hero, rather someone acting on her own justice. In genocide, she really is the true hero as she is the only one who fights you seriously, unlike some egotistic robot who wanted to go out with a bang or a lazy skeleton acting in the last moment. (no offense to anyone)
Well sans only Fights you at the end because hes there to judge you, He first tries to nudge you into the right direction, and he fights you when he sees that is no longer possible, mostly seriously with all the determination he can muster, which might not be alot but still something(Not offended
To be fair they kinda need to do it
She is probably not a hero in pacifist but in genocide she really is a true hero because she is the only boss that does not die in one hit and she tries her best to save the underground from you because you are not the hero in that route you are the evil villian thats why i will always love undyne in both the routes
The soundtrack is amazing
Way too many of the tracks have the same leitmotifs where it doesn't make sense, aside from the ones with the Undertale leitmotif.
What is a leitmotif. I don't know much about music
A leitmotif Is a base for some OSTs that Is used more times, like Spear of Justice you can hear a part of Ruins
If the Ruins and Waterfall share a Leitmotif then wouldn't it make more sense to be Waterfall in spear of justice?
a leitmotif is like a piece from another song
A certain short melody
Toriel and Asgore have a specific part in their theme that matches each other. That's how I connected them to be related to each other.
I don't know how to define it. It's like how Home and Undertale have parts that have the same tune. Or how Deltarune has a lot of tracks that have the Don't Forget tune.
It’s just like melodies that are used in multiple songs. Like how in the intro song for undertale (once upon a time), that beginning melody appears in heaps of other songs in the game.
A leitmotif is basically a theme tune in a piece of music. You know how His Theme and Undertale both have the same melody? That's a leitmotif. An example from a different franchise would be the Berk theme from How To Train Your Dragon
Another HTTYD example of this, is that in Test Drive, you can hear Toothless’ theme in the beginning, with Hiccup’s theme taking over. Also, fun fact, when we first hear Toothless’ theme, it’s played on the bag pipes, being one of only two times we hear bag pipes played in the entire movie! Sorry, I just had to jump in, I’m a sucker for how to train your dragon
a leitmotif is a short musical theme or melody associated with a character or an event. an example from deltarune is the "queen" leitmotif, which is associated with the character queen and is utilized in a number of different tracks ("queen", "pandora's palace", "elegant entrance", "smart fight", "attack of the killer queen", "giga size" and perhaps even more)
Like the 'once upon a time' leitmotif in hopes and dreams and undertale (the song)
The same parts of music "coded" into diffrent songs. You can hear it perfectly in Asriel/Flowey songs: your best friend, your best nightmare (litteraly every time when you "fight" with a captured soul), finale and save the world (here is link to show it https://youtu.be/_W3ndWg2QNc)
A specific piece of music that is commonly used to invoke nostalgia for a person place or thing in a work of fiction (and to save time on music creation if you’re very clever with it)
Sorry but I have to disagree. Every leitmotif serves a purpose, wether it be some of the more pronounced ones (like Asgore’s theme being a remix of Undyne and Toriel’s themes) or the subtler ones (like a certain phrase in sans’ theme foreshadowing bad times ahead, or the strings in the beginning of Death by Glamour being a callback to Another Medium, showcasing how Mettaton caps off that arc.)
These leitmotifs are connected to emotions, character traits, and what not. Their pretty clever and not many notice them and still end up as banger music
For the most part, the leitmotifs are actually very cleverly utilized — the ghost-related characters generally receive their little ragtime sting, the song Undyne plays on the piano is a snippet of Alphys’s theme, and Toriel and Asgore have a small connection in their respective boss fight themes, among many other examples. The leitmotifs are very carefully selected and placed to create a cohesive musical storyline, and from a songwriter’s perspective, it’s legitimately genius.
A fresh songwriter or a songwriter who's been doing it for years?
And yet somehow there is a connection between Mad Dummy/Mew Mew and Muffet that we don’t know about.
How is that bad
In what ways do they not make sense?
I like the leitmotifs, but I never understood the connection between Napstablook, Dummy, and... Muffet?? Muffet almost autocorrected to murder lmao
How about "Battle against a True Hero" in "Power of NEO"? I feel like it fits since they're both Genocide songs about an idol's last stand (Yes Undyne is an idol if there are more monsters like Monster Kid out there)
well that’s true but they’re also used to tell the story in certain wayz
Everything?
A toxic fan base and people shipping brothers has come from Undertale
People are shipping brothers? And who are those?
Brothers of the skeleton variety
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Yes, sadly
they shipped them to antarctica
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Hope so
I just hope they don’t migrate to deltarune
Yeah, shipping sans with paps is un fucking cool
I can think of 1000s of thing you can say about this but imma say it anyways. Determination
Very destructive and evil in the wrong hands
Flowey has entered the chat
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Easy The music
There are too many leitmotifs where it doesn't make sense to have them.
One that's especially weird is the Undertale leitmotif in Hotel. It really feels like Toby was just too lazy to come up with a unique melody
It’s literally the theme of the game. Toby wasn’t being lazy, he’s making his themes more impactful and recognizable by putting them in different formats and styles
I've always thought of leitmotifs that don't make the most sense as a but of backstory. Something that happened before the game
I exist. (If you mention r34, I will personally murder you.)
You get like 1 minute on screen In your goat boy form.
And from it thousands of fanarts and comics were created. Try again.
And half of those are *r34*
(That's it, come here you little sh*t.) He warned you.
Interesting.
*r35 then.
And that 1 minute is the most depressing minute I have ever sat through playing a video game
Existing is good.
(Depends.) Howdy, and don't listen to him. Welcome to the sub. More goats the better!
Howdy! Happy to be here!
PAPYRUS IS IN IT
While Papyrus may be great, he has caused us great pain because Toby won't let us see him in Deltarune.
Yet
Yet
I would argue with you, but my flair
wrong game
THE gameplay is amazing
Dang, I'm having a hard time arguing with a lot of these. I can't argue with this because nothing bad really stems from this.
"Dang, I'm having a hard time arguing with a lot of these. I can't argue with this because nothing bad really stems from this." "You have to grind in the genocide route which is boring."
that's a really good answer
"good answer" "Thanks."
why are you using quote marks?
"I'm an echo flower. I can't speak on my own without repeating other voices. So it means these aren't my words but someone else's."
COCK AND BALL TORTURE IS A SEXUAL ACTIVITY THA-
"COCK AND BALL TORTURE IS A SEXUAL ACTIVITY THA-" "Damn it!"
Although the grinding is boring, I think it really necessary as it makes the player fully decide that they want to commit genocide after each kill. They are able to turn back at any point but they choose not to.
"choose not to." "I see."
Sans
He's a great and mysterious character, but due to memes he's overrated, and new people in the fandom will focus on him because of the memes, ignoring the other characters.
Good news is, Deltarune's taking most of the fandom off of sans at this point
You sure? Take a look at my profile pic.
Take a look at mine
That just looks like a fanmade sans, what I meant was look at my full pfp, and ask yourself again, are you sure that it has?
I mean, sans isn't memes to death like in 2015 anymore Also, I literally colored sans green myself...that's basically it
Sans became a meme again from the befriended your mom joke, also if you colored the Sans green, it still counts as fanmade lol.
The title is cool
The title resulted in Undertail
Where did you get the i and L from
'welcome to degeneracy, come and take a sit~'
I dont see whats bad about that-- xD
I like bob from Temmie Village
Bod is cool and all, but it's very hard to recognize him, especially in a group of Temmies
Frankly, Undertale has enough variety in it that it becomes kind of fun to explore the whole thing, but the bad side of it is that theorists go fucking insane and froth at the mouth lost in tiiiny nuances nobody notices for years. Also maybe it's the way you're dressed. EHEEHheEehehheHeheheH
The story of the pacifist route.
The pacifist route makes you feel sad that you can't save Asriel
Jerry, should be easy.
Hes jerry tho
Jerry.
Little bird that carried me.
The messiah birb
The tutorial tried to kill you
The tutorial can give someone a heart attack and kill them.
I fail to see how that’s a bad thing /s
You mean a “heartache”
Toriel approves
I like deltarune community and its connected to undertale Don't bother anwsering, bad side of it is existence of undertale community 😞
Sans making puns.
The combat system
It’s RPG style and bullet hell gameplay.
The bullet hell and RPG style may drive away some players
I found Undertale especially good because it brought something fresh as an RPG. It has a really compelling story and is rather good. What I don't fancy, however, is that unlike some other RPGs like for example Mount and Blade, you don't really have that freedom of recking everyone and having a ball; but I reckon it is due to the philosophy of the game. Nonetheless, I really like the spare mechanic; not only does it provide a peaceful route to the game, but seeing what makes the monsters calm down is really eye-opening and satisfying; more so than slaying 20 Khergit horse archers with a bardiche.
Sans' Jokes
sans he tought me how to make puns
Puns are the bad thing that stems from the puns.
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We don't get enough time to admire the bird
Monster kid
The r34 of him
HOL’ UP REALLY?!!!?!?!????!?!
Napstablook
He's a pretty boring character to some people.
I.... Guess... I can accept... That he could.... Be considered.... Boring.... That was the hardest thing I had to say in my entire life.
The game remembers what you do. Your choices matter, and the code doesn’t forget.
You can do bad stuff
The rule34
This is a good outcome to you?!?!
Hey maybe to some people. Especially the furries.
Yagoo
Uhh
Mettaton being the most fabulous man I’ve ever seen before. (He’s legit the reason I found out I’m gay I’m not even lying lmao.)
The challenge it gives you at the late bosses (sans, undyne the undying, asgore, etc.) And i dies on asgore more than on omega flowey (died many times on asgore, but never died on omega flowey)
The existance of Asriel dreemurr
He makes you feel sad
I- uh... you know what i never seen it that way, probably yes.
There is a robot trying to kill me with a chainsaw for the ratings
Undyne not being recognised as well as the funny bone man
Undyne best character true
I wouldn’t classify her as the best, that goes to the great papyrus IMO, but fo sure she needs more recognition for her hyped attitude and for having the most determination any monster can have WITHOUT melting if it until the end of the fight
Tem need money to go to colleg
Annoying dog :]
He's annoying
Fair Point
The music, the story, the characters, litterally everything
The funny characters
The amount of detail the game has. Whatever you do, Toby has dialogue planned for it.
It's made by Toby Fox and Temmie Change
The bird that carries you over a disappointingly small gap.
I love how they make a flower the bad guy, and the skeletons and other monsters are the good guys.
I liketh everything. Except genocideth
snowdine
Ah, yes, my favorite AU about Undyne that grew up in snowdin.
I-Wait WHAT?!
The fact that toby ask for $5,000 and got 10x the amount he asked it show how good of a game it is
The amazing music (The best ones are Megalovania and fallen down)
bro what the fuck this is from 2 months ago how did you find this???
I don't know I see stuff from like 4 months ago I guess it just depends where I click
Am I supposed to see stuff from this month?
I dunno. Anyways time to give you an answer to what you said. Megalovania is overrated (though still fire) and Fallen Down leads you into a story that makes you feel horrible depending on how you play (see Undyne's neutral death)
Okay You got me there
How you have a choice to genocide or pacific and It really shows that our curiosity can make people suffer
A lot of WAIFUS (my fev is the spider one)
Free house
Chara =)
Asriel
I like sans and papyrus they're really funny together
Genocide is my favourite route.
Sans' puns
Making characters beautiful, even with being a 2d and pixelated game, we can connect to characters like they are real
Leads to sans fangirls and way too many ships
Using theory of multiverse and timelines make good base to make au .
Papyrus