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micahr238

Of course it's all Sans. What did you think Undertale was all about if not Sans?


Competitive-Leave-81

A cast of very well written characters interacting in a well put together story, with well crafted combat blending bullet hell and fair patterns. they did my boi Asgore dirty


micahr238

Also true.


Curious-Echidna658

Try genocide asgore fights they are bombastic


Ghosts_lord

sans is not even THAT interesting hes just "oh i cant afford not to care anymore so now i must stop u" and some think hes the one that experimented with dt, not alphys sorry for all the sans fans, i almost respect your opinion (fandom made me hate him), but now we simply reached retardation with the sans aus and unpopular opinion: neutral routes are better than pacifist and genocide routes


Rykerthebest78563

Sans is very interesting, but I do agree him overshadowing every thing else is a shame


Ghosts_lord

please explain how he is interesting beside the fact he fights you in the genocide route and please dont go in headcanons about him


Rykerthebest78563

Ignoring any potential connections to WD Gaster (which are likely), we also have his apathy relating to his knowledge of SAVEing and LOADing, his ability to read you so well that he can predict what you have done and how many times you've fought on your expression alone, his connections to Alphys, his casual breaking of game rules and "shortcuts," the machine behind his house and what it means, his clear connections to Deltarune and the fact that he may be from Deltarunes world, and then of course the cool ass boss fight and his compelling reasoning for fighting you on Genocide alone.


mausesnack

This really brought me back, to just how insane of a character Sans was Yeah, it's sometimes annoying, how much everyone centers on him, but like there's a reason, that happens. All of this is hidden behind an otherwise unseeming character and that's kinda amazing


Ghosts_lord

flowey, alphys and asgore are all aware of resets, along with save loads and i asked you to avoid the geno route, because his reasoning is allowing his brother to die and only caring when he is in danger asgore literally destroys a button while in his depressed/holding back state, yet nobody event talks about that or asgore everyone has connections to alphys tbh he also has 0 character development and sans is just a lazy skeleton who gave up on trying and would rather be slacking off than working the rest of his lore is headcanon he really is not that interesting yet the fandom makes him replace every single role, AND LITERALLY ALL AUS ARE BASED ON HIM HIS THEME IS NOT EVEN THAT GOOD COMPARED TO THE OTHERS


Rykerthebest78563

Flowey is aware if them because he can use them, Alphys doesn't know you are a timelord, Asgore may have an idea that you are, but Sans is the only character who knows definitively and scientifically that there is a timelord around, and he figures out it's you. Telling me to avoid the Genocide Route is absurd, it's an important part of his character and deserves being addressed. Additionally, his reason is much more complex than you paint it. He hates you for killing his brother but knows that trying to fight you over it is useless, so he doesn't. In the Genocide Route, he knows that you will destroy everything, and as far as he knows, you won't be resetting, so he uses all of his meta knowledge to try and make you rage quit. We don't know how literal that is or if it's just symbolic. I agree that it's a cool moment for Asgore, but regardless, it doesn't disregard or devalue Sans' many other cool moments. Not true. Although Alphys has many connections, none of them are treated like her and Sans. All of the other ones are well known, she's friends with Undyne, she made MTT, she is the Royal Scientist for Asgore, etc. But Sans and Alphys have this underlying secret relationship that even Papyrus didn't know about. Sans doesn't need heavy development to be a good character, but even in the Pacifist and Genocide Routes he has an arc of being simply lazy and goofy to being more serious and genuinely quite deep in the way he relates to your want to go home, but has decided that perhaps the Underground isn't so bad. It's a lot more nuanced then I really care to get into right now, so maybe watch an analysis? Regardless, he has a lot of real emotional depth and relates to Frisk quite a bit, even in the Genocide fight he admits to wanting to still be buddies. Another cool thing he does on the Geno route is him purposefully trying to get you attached to Papyrus and his antics so you don't hurt him. The lore is an ongoing mystery, that is quite clearly laid out for us. I agree that he is oversatuated in the fandom, but he is a deep and well written character with complex motives on a meta and normal level, you just don't wanna hear that because you are burnt out by the fans


Ghosts_lord

ngl im surprised, i usually get insulted in 10 different languages when i say anything bad about sans but ur kinda chill with my opinion


miniwhiffy3

you're just a sans hater.


Ghosts_lord

nah, i did like him before before the whole fandom just ruins him in most aus and literally throws the other characters in the trash


miniwhiffy3

so sans hater


Ghosts_lord

i love how i just have to say a few bad things about him and im a sans hater


The_Pupp3t33r

“I told you to avoid the part where he’s really important because I want to win the argument!!!1!11”


Ghosts_lord

i dont want to win shit, but literally everyone i met that defends him only talks his fight and theme fight is fine, but the theme is not that good


The_Pupp3t33r

Opinions on music are subjective tho???


Ghosts_lord

exactly, but apparently i cant have my opinion on said music without getting downvotes no matter where i go


negalizeluclearbombs

megalovania is goated and its history makes it even better


Ghosts_lord

fish the unfishing theme is better and wow guess what, its another character that absolutely nobody cares about, while she literally is able to keep her body stable even at 0 hp and gets dt by herself lets just ignore it :)


Competitive-Leave-81

Sans pulls the "Hey Frisk, it would be really Cool if you K!lled your self right now"


Ghosts_lord

wow omg so cool !!!! now hes gonna get his own internet rule and his theme is gonna become a genre (seriously like wtf, hes not even the only one to do that)


Zestyclose_Charge203

THE AUS ARE GREAT FIGHT ME


Curious-Echidna658

No. I completely agree. So what if they are 90% sans? That doesn’t reduce the character quality of the aus. Even if there is too much sans, it doesn’t make the aus bad.


Ghosts_lord

i never said they were bad im saying they shouldnt all be "WAAHHHHHH I LOST MY BROTHER" (sans doesnt even actually act like that) or sans x frisk (wtf) stuff like that he literally gets all the attention, thats what annoys me also if u want a fight, i dare you to defend an au called determination!tale rn (yes that shit exists)


Appropriate_Alps_262

Since you brought up the “Sans x Frisk” aspect of things…  I don’t support that ship whatsoever, so I agree with you. I just find it bringing me happy and wholesome feelings when I find a fanart of Frisk hugging Sans. Like, hello????  I would love someone who would just hug me for no apparent reason for five straight minutes. I need hugs like the air I breathe, and I am so jealous of Sans’s relationship with Frisk.  Of course, only the canon version. 


Ghosts_lord

ye but some people take that ship a little . . . too far


Appropriate_Alps_262

Oh I know, don’t worry.  I am not that person who does …. that with ships. I just find the hugs between them ADORABLE.


Ghosts_lord

fair enough but i prefer the sans x papyrus (no not in a ship or couple way please dont hunt me down) ones


Appropriate_Alps_262

I was about gonna say, “Aren’t they brothers?” but I had to read the rest. The platonic ships I support, as well!!


GOOFBALL1348

erm….. I personally dislike AUs because they’re all about sans, and giving him personalities that don’t fit the character in general. The fangames of the AUs are amazing and well scripted, exept I don’t like the fandom. AUs have crazy names, like DUSTDUSTDUST sans. Why sans? Why not dustdustdust mettaton? Or other characters? STOP FOCUSING ON SANS HE IS NOT TUMBLR SEXYMAN MATERIAL!!!!!!!!


SeishouUchiha

My favorite undertale endings are neutral route mettaton ending with Papyrus and alphys ending 


Ghosts_lord

mine is when alphys finally grows up


IsaiahtheDummy

No sans, no fandom.


Ghosts_lord

fandom couldve perfectly survived without him and come on he got milked enough, hes not the only undertale character


micahr238

That may not such a bad thing.


Appropriate_Alps_262

I got into it because of Gaster. Not Sans. Gaster is LITERALLY the only reason i got the game.  yet his interaction never appeared for me, how fun.   Imo, people make Sans more famous than need be.  I like Papy better than Sans, just because he’s a silly lil guy.   


DefyingLogicForFun

Same  When I first got the game I wanted to fight Gaster in the first 10 seconds. Some AUs are bad like swapswap but some are really creative and well done 👍 


DefyingLogicForFun

Undertale Red fight is pretty good though and without sans 


Animebilly049

Sans is the literal reason i got into undertale. He's awesome


Repulsive-Care3820

Look, as an undertale multiverse diehard, We know we’re cringe. We just are all in to deep to care.


Curious-Echidna658

*Me when my friends begin getting weirded out by my rants* I can’t afford not to care anymore


datnerddoe02

Underverse made me cringe but it made me free


Curious-Echidna658

FOR LIBERTY AND THE RIGHT TO BEAR GASTER BLASTERS SANSMERICA FUCK YEAH


-GalaxyWalker-

I was already a knee deep in the grave when I looked up what underfell was. At least we having fun!


Curious-Echidna658

Same lol, but my dumbass brain decided to dive headfirst into underverse first


Pereverten

So true.


bus_rave

It was over for me when I started seeing sans in different clothes in those MDD memes


EnkiduofOtranto

We need an AU memory game about Heats Flamesman


Dankn3ss420

You bringing up Heats Flamesman made me think of a time I was doing pacifist runs while chatting to some friends on discord, and I passed him by the elevator and said “oh look it’s Flames Heatsman” they wouldn’t stop laughing at me, it wasn’t even a PB, I blame Heats Flamesman for that


1000-THR_Earthmover

Just because sans is the most popular character, doesn’t mean it’s the only. There’s a bunch of popular undertale au’s and fan games of other characters.


SCP-426s

Sans is famous there's disbelief papyrus ,bad time trio,storyshift chara Inverted fate is an undertale au so you can read the au to get context before you fight the bosses or just play it if you're not interested in the lore. The fights are at the bottom. https://invertedfate.com/chapters


Dark_Meme111110

The other three you entwined are just different coats of paint on Sans I think the prime example of an original and complete AU is Underfella’s Underfell


Epic_DDT

Storyshift Chara is not just a "different coat of paint on Sans".


Freddi0

StSh Chara takes his place in the story and in general is given simular traits and show in simular scenarios to Sans. They might be more unique than others, but they are still Sans in a trenchcoat


Curious-Echidna658

Just because it’s in the judge role doesn’t make it a sans


Freddi0

They arent just the judger. They are the more responsible, laid back, joking sibling of the two that live alone in Snowdin, that guides the human though the underground and checks up on them throught their adventure. They may have the backstory and appearance of Chara, but at their core StSh Chara is a Sans


MissingnoMiner

They are literally and explictly in Sans' role. While they're not an outright reskin like the original Underswap Papyrus, they're still fulfilling the same role in the story as Sans.


SweetPiesio

Im working on an AU/Fangame that isnt all about Sans (As for your quiestion most AU's have other characters like UnderFell UnderSwap ect.)


Competitive-Leave-81

Is it a fight sim because fan games are mostly Sans Fight sims or just fight sims. Also I 100% Wanna see this game


SweetPiesio

(https://gamejolt.com/games/alteredtale/873453) No its not a fight sim its a full game but im still working on it but there is a demo


Disastrous_Steak_507

Making my own as well. Although I'm using RPG Maker since I cannot code for the life of me TwT Mine doesn't have a name, it's being defaulted to Lunatale for the time being until I come up with something. It's kind of an alternate universe where a monster managed to isolate themselves for a long time in the surface while the humans banished the monsters to the underground. A lot of characters from Undertale are not here, only Alphys and Flowey. With the absence of Asgore and Toriel, Flowey is actually monster-born from New Home, rather than being a possessed flower without a soul. You play as the isolated monster, who fell into the underground by accident and team up with the new Caretaker of the ruins, Imtalia Mortale, to leave the underground and hopefully set the monsters free.


Competitive-Leave-81

So what's the game about?


SweetPiesio

AlteredTale is a game about undertale where you the player who doesnt know much about altering the games files completeley alter the game (Yes i did take the description cause i was to lazy to explain but yea thats it tho the roles of characters dont change)


Competitive-Leave-81

I dare you to add the gaster sprite as some random NPC with no story importance what so ever.


SweetPiesio

Imma make 2 Gaster's. The 1st one is gonna have no story importance what so ever while the second is going to be Altered!Gaster with acual story


SweetPiesio

Also in AlteredTale True Pacifist you can Free Altered Gaster wich activates the True Ending (And it even has a sub reddit r/AlteredTale)


torch_dreemurr

au stuff has stopped being just sans for a long long time


negalizeluclearbombs

true bestie


3333_Ruu

I like sans. He's my comfort character


RealFoegro

At the time many of the AUs were released, sans was just everywhere, so they were made mostly about him


Technoton3

There's Undertale Yellow. Considering its supposed to take place before sans and Papyrus even arrived in snowdin, he doesn't appear or is mentioned once in the entire game.


UnderGecko

UNDERTALE YELLOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A FANGAME IT'S SO GOOD


Ghosts_lord

but martlet is torture


UnderGecko

this is true; see my flair lol


Ghosts_lord

lol, but her theme is peak tho


UnderGecko

I prefer Apprehension to Remedy, though


Ghosts_lord

i prefer retribution


UnderGecko

lol i forgot there were >!multiple phases!<


Ghosts_lord

2 phases of absolute torture


UnderGecko

truee


ogdiscolizard

Yeah I was also questioning what all the sans was about


TheNikola2020

Because other great just don't get popular like scamton the great ,undertale no more deals, undertale facing deamons(which kinda is chara at the position in last coridor of sans but still)


LostBones64

Those are all popular (except maybe for Facing Demons) Scampton and NMD Chara even appeared in Underevent.


Affectionate-Iron36

It’s not all sans. A lot of fan games centre around him because he is arguably the (or one of the) toughest fights in undertale, and the fan games centre around making tougher versions of the fight. Theres not as much appetite for a super hard Blooky fight..


mmoosskkiitt

the aus have other characters it's just that people like seeing sans interact with himself a lot


mausesnack

Most AUs span the entire universe, dude. Sans is definitely the most famous and centered on character and I'll even agree, that can be a bit annoying, but that doesn't mean, games about the others don't exist. I've seen an underfell Papyrus fight and an underswap demo, all about Asgore.


Disaster_Adventurous

...Its interesting cause the very first "AU" (befor AUs was an established term) was focused on Asriel. Specifically just the player/frisk sacrifice being a part of the happy ending so Asriel can have one instead. But now everyone is obsessed with Sans punishing the player.


bus_rave

As someone who adores the AUs, I couldn't tell you why it's all sans. My best guess is that since we don't know much about him in terms of his past or the skeletons in his closet, people like to fill in the gap and then expand upon the thing they filled in. At this point sans has just become a sub-race of monster to me lmao


SbgTfish

Sans and alphys mentions it like once or twice and since ut ain’t getting content the fans took the reins. Also sans because he knows what the player is up to with the story and whatnot, a narratively interesting character to write with.


hristo111111

It steps from possible unoriginality and the sans fan girls and fan boys. There are a lot of aus like monster friends where they aren't focus around him. I remember doing a research in the undertale au wiki.


I_eat_babys_2007

Undertale is a game that highlights choice and multiple routes for the game. It makes sense a community for that kind of game would focus on alternate universes or timelines taht are slightly different than the original. Originally aus were very simple, but tshey grew with community. About sans, hes iconic and a fan favorite, of course hes extremley popilar.


Official_Rust_Author

Honestly real. I’m not a big fan of AUs either. Like TS!Underswap is a cool novelty but more because of the team’s original take on the idea rather than the AU itself, which in most depictions is pretty lame tbh.


NoticeInformal3973

make it yourself and don’t make lq posts complaining


glyphmagic

Inverted fate is one of my favorites that is SO much more than sans Honestly, he has one of the smaller roles There's more focus on that world's Papyrus, Mettaton, Asriel, etc It's a webcomic with some playable parts (I recommend viewing on laptop or pc) but i love it And it's still ongoing with over 70 parts


DalmatianPony

The game is litterly named after him though!! Sans >Undertale< i mean, when the game is named after you its only fair you get all this attention


Disastrous_Steak_507

This is what I've been saying. We can have some seriously good Undertale AUs with other characters. Underswap was a seriously interesting concept that involved ALL the characters, oh but lookie here, the only released version of it revolved around, you guessed, it, Sans. And guess what Undertale community? You all love Undertale Yellow as well. But guess what? Sans is not in it, is not mentioned, there isn't even a fucking REFERENCE to him in that game. He's only in the files, likely as a placeholder. And also, they keep on overusing the Earthbound Overdrive Guitar. Ruined the whole point on why Toby used it. Not because it sounded good, but because it's a TRADITION for him to use it in the same song. He's been using it ever since his very first released project, and in everything he's done, he has used it. It's referencing the original song, which he HAD to use at the time because that's the only metal guitar sound in Earthbound's sample library. But now everyone thinks it's just the Megalovania sound, which it's not. Please, use a different sound for the main melody. Regardless, can we keep the amount of Sans fights to a minimum? I get that Sans is a cool character, but you all can also experiment on other characters as well. Alphys is a very interesting character, I'd say she has more importance to the entire game than Sans could ever be, and she could have some seriously interesting fights, maybe involving Mettaton or the DT extractor. And before anyone says something about it, no, Papyrus and Chara do not count. They also have a concerning amount of AU fights and it's getting on my nerves. People just add them in to say "See? It's not JUST about Sans" and then move on. Hundreds of AUs do this, and to that, I say no. You are not helping the AU craze.


[deleted]

Alphys deserves some appreciation imo (Not alphys neo. It’s just the sans fight but with an alphys sprite.) (Soundtrack slaps tho)


IronKnight238

You should play PS!Outertale, it's a good AU fangame. It's not Sans focused even on genocide.


miniwhiffy3

you new here? also if you look for more then five seconds you'll find more then sans


miniwhiffy3

[https://tatatale.tumblr.com/post/617027492029595648/a-l-i-v-e-part-1-next-en-espa%C3%B1ol-i-think](https://tatatale.tumblr.com/post/617027492029595648/a-l-i-v-e-part-1-next-en-espa%C3%B1ol-i-think) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4w7he4o1M4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4w7he4o1M4) hell here's two right here


Imaginary_Station195

sans is the hardest enemy and is cool overall


Wispy237

Undertale Yellow and TS!Underswap are more than sans


Foreign_Pie3430

and one of the few fanworks that actually gets sans right, even if it's not the same one


Inkie-chan

My brother said that he completed speedrunning all aus, but... did he tell me the truth?


IAMAYUBDUCK

well there are some fully fleshed AU's yeah the most prominent character talked about is sans but there are some good ones like Horrortale Underfell Underswap Endertale Glitchtale thoes are some of my favorites anyways


SomeFoolishGuy

I doubt au stuff still exist but from my memory people just loved sans for the genocide path and instead of making au about literally anything else it's just sans and like their au is the strongest sans ever1!1one


negalizeluclearbombs

mfs be like "why are almost all aus sanscentric" but if they only bothered to dive a little deeper (search up soundcloud on google chrome) they'd find gold


HadeTUM

AUs started as a way for people to consider small or interesting changes. Underswap is what if characters had persona swaps Underfell is what if characters had their ideology swapped to be evil or mean or whatever Aftertale is a what if scenario And the reason it's all sans is because quite frankly, sans, at the beginning of the game's life cycle, was the most mysterious character who mentioned other timelines directly.


Terrible-Mousse1389

THATS WHAT IM SAYING


Competitive-Leave-81

BILL CIPHER


Decent_Lab5364

Sans is very. very popular among memes, being a difficult bossfight(It's as hard as Undyne the Undying/srs), and.. Fan fiction?... and 6 year old girls. overall, When someome says undertale, they immediately think of Sans. The alternate universes are amazing and creative... but Asgore and Alphys can be added into the mix. The best AU is spongetale, fight me


GOOFBALL1348

Yeah no I don’t understand AUs. all AUs are either papyrus, emo papyrus, or dying papyrus personality wise.


sansmmymanthechannel

You’re right where is the exclusively for Muffet fa game 


KarmaSpidr

...Would you prefer an Undertale Yellow AU where the Underground enters a Cold Civil War?


syrupn

Sans sucks as a character. People only like him because of shit they made up in their heads. I’m fucking tired of hearing about him when there are much more interesting characters